Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

[Lucky]

Which leads us back to the same rabbit hole; Texans ownership sucks.

Everyone gets so excited when the Texans announce they've just signed a new HC/GM/Towel boy. Then, the losing continues. We're Charlie Brown and the McNairs are Lucy.

 

[steelbtexan]

If you're right, why does that change on the 3rd HC? What stops Cal from stepping again and saying, "No, I want this guy."

It doesn't, that's the point, the McNair's have always picked the HC.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

If you're right, why does that change on the 3rd HC? What stops Cal from stepping again and saying, "No, I want this guy."

Caserio may interject the next time. Hey Gameboy, you and your Momma need to become the GM as well if you want to keep naming the HC. We've tried it your way twice and you pretty much suck as evaluators, and if you fail a third time.....it'll probably be my arse getting the blame and the boot.

 

[Lucky]

Caserio may interject the next time.

History says he won't. Unless Caserio was part of the Culley and Lovie hiring all along.

 

[Texansballer74]

 

[leebigeztx]

At the behest of Janice.

You act like Carsterio was a sideline acr and didn't say a word. He's the gm, he couldn't been like I'm not interviewing McCown. If he stood by and let the foolishness proceed because his buddy help him get the job, then he's weak and complicit.

 

[leebigeztx]

Jerry Jones? 8 HCs.

He owns the team and is the self proclaimed gm

 

[leebigeztx]

Culley was to try and appease Watson into staying.

Lovie was a last resort in order to keep the existing staff together. Lovie will need to put up some wins or this go round could be a short stay.

I don't speak for all black people, but as a black person this is so far wrong, I don't want to derail this thread. The worse thing you can be is a token hire, trust me on that. No people of color wants a unqualified person of color in a position just to say theyre black. That's the worse thing in the world.

 

[leebigeztx]

If he does get to pick a 3rd HC, then you will know the 1st two were ownership picks.

In your opinion as the gm, Carsterio had no say in the HC pick? Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[leebigeztx]

History says he won't. Unless Caserio was part of the Culley and Lovie hiring all along.

He was

 

[Lucky]

It doesn't, that's the point, the McNair's have always picked the HC.

So basically, Caserio is just personnel guy and even has restrictions on that job. Not a bad gig for $36 million.

 

[cuppacoffee]

You act like Carsterio was a sideline acr and didn't say a word. He's the gm, he couldn't been like I'm not interviewing McCown. If he stood by and let the foolishness proceed because his buddy help him get the job, then he's weak and complicit.

Foolishness is letting outsiders tell you who to hire.

This franchise would be winless this year if they had hired McCown.

I'd bet my grocery money that even McCown would have hired more competent defensive / offensive coordinators.

No head coaching experience is a lame excuse. All the experience in the world won't make some people capable.

Just look at this board. No NFL head coaching experience but many here know exactly what's wrong and how to fix it.

Me either.

 

[steelbtexan]

So basically, Caserio is just personnel guy and even has restrictions on that job. Not a bad gig for $36 million.

Yes, the same restrictions that all of the other GM's have had when it comes to hiring a HC. Where I hope Cal is different from his dad is when the time is right Cal will allow Caserio to spend freely in FA.

 

[steelbtexan]

In your opinion as the gm, Carsterio had no say in the HC pick? Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes, the McNair's have always picked the HC, not the GM. At least from Kubiak to present day.

 

[steelbtexan]

You act like Carsterio was a sideline acr and didn't say a word. He's the gm, he couldn't been like I'm not interviewing McCown. If he stood by and let the foolishness proceed because his buddy help him get the job, then he's weak and complicit.

You have to be able to work with ownership. This interview was a case study in giving upper management what they wanted but not hiring the guy. Happens all of the time in the real world. I just don't get why some on this MB are so hung up on Easterby and McCown. Both have very little or no impact on what is currently happening down on Kirby.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I don't speak for all black people, but as a black person this is so far wrong, I don't want to derail this thread. The worse thing you can be is a token hire, trust me on that. No people of color wants a unqualified person of color in a position just to say theyre black. That's the worse thing in the world.

As far as the media was concerned......Watson and Culley had hit it off, nothing meant by this other than that might've played a part in their hiring process....not to mention the retention of Tim Kelly, who Watson also wanted as OC. Bottom line, the Texans were grasping for straws in trying to persuade Watson to drop his trade demands. Of course, Watson's legal situation superseded his trade demand, which in turn made the entire coaching staff expendable at seasons end.

 

[Lucky]

I just don't get why some on this MB are so hung up on Easterby and McCown. Both have very little or no impact on what is currently happening down on Kirby.

We're talking the Texans here, right? Because of the instability in the organization, that could change at the snap of Cal's stubby fingers.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't speak for all black people, but as a black person this is so far wrong, I don't want to derail this thread. The worse thing you can be is a token hire, trust me on that. No people of color wants a unqualified person of color in a position just to say theyre black. That's the worse thing in the world.

Quoted for truth

But that's exactly what Culley and Lovie were/are. I mean look at their track records. Without the Derrick/Flores things they would have never been hired to begin with.

 

[TexansBull]

I just don't get why some on this MB are so hung up on Easterby and McCown. Both have very little or no impact on what is currently happening down on Kirby.

It is worth noting that McCown was an Easterby thing when people try to blame Caserio for it.

I don’t know why people want to kick Caserio to the curb so fast especially with his last draft. Classic example of missing the forest for the trees. It is a longer process to rebuild this team if you want it done the right way.

For me the biggest focus is the draft, FA signings, and salary cap management. Which all of those are looking good thanks to Caserio.

Lovie will be gone in the next two to three years. He is the place holder Culley was supposed to be just like if Mills doesn’t develop. And if both develop to be a top HC and a top QB great. If they don’t who cares? Them not working out this season and next lines up with when the team should be really turning the corner and loaded with young talent.

 

[leebigeztx]

As far as the media was concerned......Watson and Culley had hit it off, nothing meant by this other than that might've played a part in their hiring process....not to mention the retention of Tim Kelly, who Watson also wanted as OC. Bottom line, the Texans were grasping for straws in trying to persuade Watson to drop his trade demands. Of course, Watson's legal situation superseded his trade demand, which in turn made the entire coaching staff expendable at seasons end.

Hit what off? BS ing at the probowl. It was never Culley, it was Jack. Jack was the guy walking around with power when they shouldn't. That was Jack. If Jack was fired and the slate was clean and Caserio hired whomever he wanted, white or black, we're not having these posts.

 

[Texian]

IMO Culley was a Caserby job. I guess you could argue that is was Cal by proxy. Caserio certainly took credit for and told the world that’s why he was here.

After the 2nd HC searching fiasco Cal now fills like Caserio and Easterby got the gold mine and Cal got the shaft.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hit what off? BS ing at the probowl. It was never Culley, it was Jack. Jack was the guy walking around with power when they shouldn't. That was Jack. If Jack was fired and the slate was clean and Caserio hired whomever he wanted, white or black, we're not having these posts.

Not with the Flores lawsuit hanging over them. Caserio wanted to hire Flores prior to the lawsuit. IMHO After the lawsuit Cal decided to hire Lovie so that Flores couldn't accuse the Texans org of racism when Flores lawsuit went to court. A smart business move, not a good move for the on field product.

 

[steelbtexan]

IMO Culley was a Caserby job. I guess you could argue that is was Cal by proxy. Caserio certainly took credit for and told the world that’s why he was here.

After the 2nd HC searching fiasco Cal now fills like Caserio and Easterby got the gold mine and Cal got the shaft.

Shocking post of the day.

 

[leebigeztx]

Not with the Flores lawsuit hanging over them. Caserio wanted to hire Flores prior to the lawsuit. IMHO After the lawsuit Cal decided to hire Lovie so that Flores couldn't accuse the Texans org of racism when Flores lawsuit went to court. A smart business move, not a good move for the on field product.

We disagree alot, which is cool, let me ask you get with you on this. Do remember the 49ers post Harbaugh? How did they get the ship right despite the craziness they had going on? They had hired Tomsulo for 1 year, then hired Chip Kelly for a year, then they cleaned house. You know that McCleuaghn was a great personel man and he was out. They hired Shanny who brought in Lynch and they been on good footing every since despite losing coaches and players and missing on Mahomes or Watson.

 

[JB]

We disagree alot, which is cool, let me ask you get with you on this. Do remember the 49ers post Harbaugh? How did they get the ship right despite the craziness they had going on? They had hired Tomsulo for 1 year, then hired Chip Kelly for a year, then they cleaned house. You know that McCleuaghn was a great personel man and he was out. They hired Shanny who brought in Lynch and they been on good footing every since despite losing coaches and players and missing on Mahomes or Watson.

That stacking the DL with high first round talent for years certainly helped speed that along

 

[thunderkyss]

Was Mike McDaniels hired before or after Lovie?

 

[JB]

Was Mike McDaniels hired before or after Lovie?

Pretty sure it was before

 

[Texian]

Shocking post of the day.

Speaking of shocking post, how is Josh McDaniels working out?

 

[JB]

Speaking of shocking post, how is Josh McDaniels working out?

Better than Lovie

 

[steelbtexan]

Speaking of shocking post, how is Josh McDaniels working out?

1-3, should be 2-2 learning on the job.

It amazes me how impatient people are. Right now they're the 3rd best team talent wise in their division. Probably end up a wildcard team. Need to draft ol this off-season. The iol is fairly strong in the upcoming draft. The OT position not so much.

 

[Texian]

1-3, should be 2-2 learning on the job.

I thought he has already done that.

 

[Texansballer74]

Lovie and company better hurry up and get out of the dinosaur age of football. The New Era of football is where it’s at.

 

[vtech9]

Lovie and company better hurry up and get out of the dinosaur age of football. The New Era of football is where it’s at.

Lovie just doesn't seem to be able to adjust his defense to fit other teams offense or his own players. I know he likes to run a Tampa 2 / cover 2 defense, but it's really not working. Our CB's are generally better in man coverage, but our LB's and Safeties are better in Zone.

 

[zshawn10]

Lovie Smith, Houston Texans

Record, 0-3-1 How it’s going: The Texans opened the season with a tie against the Colts, and they’ve been competitive in one-score losses at the Broncos and Bears. They also nearly erased a 20-point, third-quarter deficit against the Chargers before falling, 34-24. The Texans play hard, as they did last year for David Culley, but it’s a solid sign that they’re doing it again for Smith. And quarterback Davis Mills is still developing under offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton, albeit with a roster that has been ripped down to the studs in this massive-scale rebuild.


What the future holds: The Texans are self-aware. The playoffs weren’t a realistic goal in 2022. General manager Nick Caserio needed to stack together good drafts — cornerback Derek Stingley and running back Dameon Pierce already look like the real deal — and right the books while moving on from quarterback Deshaun Watson. Smith had to know this when he took the job, and he’s been through this before, going 5-11 in his first season with the Bears in 2004 and 2-14 in his initial campaign with the Bucs in 2014. And with the fifth-most difficult remaining strength of schedule (.567), life won’t get any easier for the Texans. They will also have to determine whether Mills will be part of their long-term plan, as they’ll likely be in position to take one of the top three QBs in the draft.

From Mike McDaniel to Josh McDaniels: How new coaches are faring after 4 games

Four games is a small sample size, but some coaches have already proven a lot in a month, while others could already be in trouble.

theathletic.com

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Lovie just doesn't seem to be able to adjust his defense to fit other teams offense or his own players. I know he likes to run a Tampa 2 / cover 2 defense, but it's really not working. Our CB's are generally better in man coverage, but our LB's and Safeties are better in Zone.

Just a nitpick, but Tampa 2 is actually a Cover 3 with the MLB taking the deep middle zone.

There's nothing wrong with that defense, per se, if you have the personnel for it. Our DL can't stop the run. Our LBs cheat up to help out and because of that, they get out of position to cover their zones.

With that said, Lovie is not just calling Tampa 2 over and over. He does mix things up some, maybe not enough, but some.

 

[TexansBull]

Just a nitpick, but Tampa 2 is actually a Cover 3 with the MLB taking the deep middle zone.

There's nothing wrong with that defense, per se, if you have the personnel for it. Our DL can't stop the run. Our LBs cheat up to help out and because of that, they get out of position to cover their zones.

With that said, Lovie is not just calling Tampa 2 over and over. He does mix things up some, maybe not enough, but some.

Sounds like some of the decision making from Lovie is because of personnel. Could that be accurate?

(I am not saying all - but some. And I am not trying to give him a pass.)

 

[vtech9]

Just a nitpick, but Tampa 2 is actually a Cover 3 with the MLB taking the deep middle zone.

There's nothing wrong with that defense, per se, if you have the personnel for it. Our DL can't stop the run. Our LBs cheat up to help out and because of that, they get out of position to cover their zones.

With that said, Lovie is not just calling Tampa 2 over and over. He does mix things up some, maybe not enough, but some.

Oh, I don't like when our CB's drop into zones. They are better at man. I've never been a big cover 3 fan, whether it is a CB and 2 safeties, 2 CB's and one safety, or even 2 safeties and a LB. Sometimes it works well if you have the right players. The problem we have is when we drop into a cover 3, the CB's are playing a shallow zone, and teams are hitting wide open receivers in between the shallow and deep zones.

I know he mixes it up some, but is he mixing it up in the right way? Do we have a MLB that can cover the deep middle zone effectively? Maybe we need to go to 4-2-5 with Pitre stepping down into the MLB role for passing downs. I don't know. I don't really know what the exact strengths and weaknesses are for each player, but what he is doing now just isn't working. Maybe when the rook gets up to speed it'll be better. It can't be much worse, can it?

 

[steelbtexan]

Oh, I don't like when our CB's drop into zones. They are better at man. I've never been a big cover 3 fan, whether it is a CB and 2 safeties, 2 CB's and one safety, or even 2 safeties and a LB. Sometimes it works well if you have the right players. The problem we have is when we drop into a cover 3, the CB's are playing a shallow zone, and teams are hitting wide open receivers in between the shallow and deep zones.

I know he mixes it up some, but is he mixing it up in the right way? Do we have a MLB that can cover the deep middle zone effectively? Maybe we need to go to 4-2-5 with Pitre stepping down into the MLB role for passing downs. I don't know. I don't really know what the exact strengths and weaknesses are for each player, but what he is doing now just isn't working. Maybe when the rook gets up to speed it'll be better. It can't be much worse, can it?

Hopefully Harris return can help with this.

 

[Lucky]

Caserio wanted to hire Flores prior to the lawsuit.

Flores wanted the Giants job, and thought he had it. Until he realized that they were jerking him around, thus the lawsuit.

Our LBs cheat up to help out and because of that, they get out of position to cover their zones.

Even if they didn't have to, the current Texans LBs don't have the coverage chops to make the defense work against most QBs. I will say the defense did work well against inexperienced QBs like Fields and Lawrence.

Hopefully Harris return can help with this.

Eventually. Give the rook a season under his belt before expecting stellar play for a 3rd rounder.

 

[Texian]

1-3, should be 2-2 learning on the job.

It amazes me how impatient people are. Right now they're the 3rd best team talent wise in their division. Probably end up a wildcard team. Need to draft ol this off-season. The iol is fairly strong in the upcoming draft. The OT position not so much.

Your boy Josh McDaniels had a 17 - 0 lead against the Jags today and ended up losing 20 - 27.

 

[steelbtexan]

Your boy Josh McDaniels had a 17 - 0 lead against the Jags today and ended up losing 20 - 27.

Your boy Josh McDaniels had a 17 - 0 lead against the Jags today and ended up losing 20 - 27.

Not my boy

I dont worship people.

BTW, I didn't expect the Raiders to do well this yr, due to bad OL play and a weak secondary.

 

[vtech9]

I'm not really surprised about the Raiders. I didn't want Josh McDaniels. I just didn't like him as a potential HC. The two guys I wanted seem to be doing pretty well this season. O'Connell is having a good season in Minnesota, and Gannon is having a good season in Philly. O'Connell is off the table, but Gannon could still be had next season. However, if we don't get rid of Lovie at the end of this season, we will miss out on Gannon again.

 

[Doc108]

I'm not really surprised about the Raiders. I didn't want Josh McDaniels. I just didn't like him as a potential HC. The two guys I wanted seem to be doing pretty well this season. O'Connell is having a good season in Minnesota, and Gannon is having a good season in Philly. O'Connell is off the table, but Gannon could still be had next season. However, if we don't get rid of Lovie at the end of this season, we will miss out on Gannon again.

We will not be getting rid of Lovie, especially to hire a white guy. Especially not with this Colts Jeff Saturday thing that is already starting a media frenzy. I don’t think we were getting rid of Lovie this year anyways but that just seals it.

 

[vtech9]

We will not be getting rid of Lovie, especially to hire a white guy. Especially not with this Colts Jeff Saturday thing that is already starting a media frenzy. I don’t think we were getting rid of Lovie this year anyways but that just seals it.

I hate this PC BS. We should hire the person we think is best for the job. Skin color should have absolutely nothing to do with it. If the guy we have isn't getting it done, we need to cut bait, and get someone that can get it done. Carolina and Indy are already cutting bait. We need to do the same.

 

[Thorn]

While coaching is a cause for concern for the Texans, lack of overall player talent is a larger problem and the greatest hinderance to the Texans future. I don't care who the HC is, they aren't going very far with the current group of players.

 

[Doc108]

I hate this PC BS. We should hire the person we think is best for the job. Skin color should have absolutely nothing to do with it. If the guy we have isn't getting it done, we need to cut bait, and get someone that can get it done. Carolina and Indy are already cutting bait. We need to do the same.

Sure but optics matter especially for us right now. We still have the problem of being a fairly undesirable job and 3 coaching fires within 3 years and a racial scandal just adds to it. Put ourselves between a rock and a hard place and I think the only way out of it is to suffer Lovie another year.

 

[Doc108]

While coaching is a cause for concern for the Texans, lack of overall player talent is a larger problem and the greatest hinderance to the Texans future. I don't care who the HC is, they aren't going very far with the current group of players.

I’m watching Daboll coach a fairly talentless team to a great season so far. Now they have more talent than us no doubt but I still think a better coach would have us at 3 wins by now.

But even if Daboll didn’t exist does anyone really think Lovie is the coach of the future? I think the answer is no and if so I just question what it is we’re doing here

 

[Thorn]

I’m watching Daboll coach a fairly talentless team to a great season so far. Now they have more talent than us no doubt but I still think a better coach would have us at 3 wins by now.

But even if Daboll didn’t exist does anyone really think Lovie is the coach of the future? I think the answer is no and if so I just question what it is we’re doing here

What we're doing here is watching a clueless owner mismanage an NFL franchise. Only with extraordinary luck will the Texans ever amount to anything, but if we are lucky, it will have to start with Caserio being the right guy because Lovie isn't the future. Lovie is a placeholder.

If Caserio isn't the right guy for the job, then we are just out of luck in the NFL. Which, historically, is where we've always been since the 60s.

 

[TexansBull]

I’m watching Daboll coach a fairly talentless team to a great season so far. Now they have more talent than us no doubt but I still think a better coach would have us at 3 wins by now.

But even if Daboll didn’t exist does anyone really think Lovie is the coach of the future? I think the answer is no and if so I just question what it is we’re doing here

What are we doing?

Competing for one of the top picks of the draft for the next two years. We accumulate talented players through the draft and let time fix our salary cap issues. Draft a QB in 2024. That year with a rookie QB we start turning things around.

Sucks but it takes time.

 

[Doc108]

What are we doing?

Competing for one of the top picks of the draft for the next two years. We accumulate talented players through the draft and let time fix our salary cap issues. Draft a QB in 2024. That year with a rookie QB we start turning things around.

Sucks but it takes time.

That’s what I thought but the general consensus around the league seems to be us taking a QB this year in which case I don’t really know what the plan is. To me that would be a desperate move that shows we are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Now maybe the national media is wrong and we take the smart approach but I’m curious what you would think if we did draft a QB this year