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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

The ownership of this team has definitely proven itself to be clueless, I don't think anybody would argue that point. And that isn't going to change anytime soon.

But lets just say Caserio continues to draft well, they could have a talented team in a few years. Lovie probably wouldn't be around to coach it though. And the Texans history of HC hirings should scare anyone. But, they could accidently luck into a good HC as random events do occur in the universe.
Agreed, hopefully Caserio is allowed to hire his guy and isn't forced into making a hire because of a lawsuit or his QB. I'm pretty confident that will be the last time that happens in a long while. Taking out the trash is a hard but necessary step when the time comes.
 
Let's not forget that Lovie was the emergency desperation hire after another botched head coaching search. He wasn't supposed to be the guy. And I don't think he will be once the rebuild launches .... if it ever does.
You don't think the rebuild hasn't launched? Lmao
 
Does anyone here think that if Jerruh or Kraft were in the market for a coach last year that they would have been bullied into hiring Lovie?

I think McCown was the teams favorite, he got two interviews, but they caved to the pressure.

He may or may not have worked out, but you don't let outsiders make that decision for you.

Vince Lombardi was shunned by most others because coaches/people who's name ended in a vowel were frowned on.

Detractors usually come up with lame excuses when they dislike someone.

Point being, grow a pair and do it your way. You will get the blame/credit however it turns out.

If Cal hasn't figured that out, we're screwed. Maybe momma should have stood her ground. It's been posted that she favored McCown.


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You're being very generous. I'd say half of those guys would be on the Texans next playoff team.
My concern is some of those guys will be out of the NFL before the Texans next playoff team.
 
The NFL is evolving quickly, and hiring old coaches with conservative perspectives using outdated schemes is a sign of clueless ownership. It's been the McNair family's M.O. for two decades.

I see absolutely nothing in the McNairs that would lead me to believe that they will ever be anything but Johnny-come-lately owners that simply cannot conceive a vision that would include young, bold, and innovative leadership in their head coaching position.

I ain't even upset about it. It is what it is. If I want to watch good, competent football, I watch just about anything else that does not involve the Houston Texans.
You actually think that Lovie Smith was hired because of his football skills?
 
Agreed, hopefully Caserio is allowed to hire his guy and isn't forced into making a hire because of a lawsuit or his QB. I'm pretty confident that will be the last time that happens in a long while.
I'm pretty confident that if the Texans fire Smith after one season, there's zero chance they get someone other than a reclamation project (like Smith) or someone that has little or no credentials (like McCown). This is the worst HC job in the NFL. I don't know whom you think "Caserio's guy" is. But Nick needs to really lower that bar if they intent to fire another HC this offseason.
 
I'm pretty confident that if the Texans fire Smith after one season, there's zero chance they get someone other than a reclamation project (like Smith) or someone that has little or no credentials (like McCown). This is the worst HC job in the NFL. I don't know whom you think "Caserio's guy" is. But Nick needs to really lower that bar if they intent to fire another HC this offseason.
You do realize this farce has nothing to do with Caserio. Lovie will be back for next season regardless of record.

After next season when more talent is brought in and in 2024 when there's a new HC, he will collaborate with Caserio to find the QB of the future. At least that's what I think is going to happen. Of course what do I know, I thought Culley was going to be here for 3 years.
 
You do realize this farce has nothing to do with Caserio.
It had something to do with Caserio. He allowed Jack to trot in McCown like a prized pig at the fair not once, but twice. He couldn't close the deal on the few legit candidates he brought in (McConnell and Gannon). Caserio had some leverage has a GM with a 6 year contract. Sorry, but Nicky is not blameless in this farce.
 
You do realize this farce has nothing to do with Caserio. Lovie will be back for next season regardless of record.

After next season when more talent is brought in and in 2024 when there's a new HC, he will collaborate with Caserio to find the QB of the future. At least that's what I think is going to happen. Of course what do I know, I thought Culley was going to be here for 3 years.
I do believe Lovie will be back next season. It would be bad optics to fire black coaches in back to back years, whether deserving or not. However, if the Defense doesn't improve, Caserio might force Lovie to step down as DC, and hire another DC. I don't see that happening either, but I find it more likely than Lovie being fired as HC. Although, there is also a 3rd option. Move Lovie up to the position Romeo held, and then hire a new HC, DC, and OC.
 
It had something to do with Caserio. He allowed Jack to trot in McCown like a prized pig at the fair not once, but twice. He couldn't close the deal on the few legit candidates he brought in (McConnell and Gannon). Caserio had some leverage has a GM with a 6 year contract. Sorry, but Nicky is not blameless in this farce.
Cal and Janice made that call as to who THEY wanted to be THEIR HC. Caserio had nothing to do with either of those hires. The Texans turned into a PC franchise for monetary purposes. It is what it is and hopefully the org is over that period of history. The Texans are currently suffering because they chose to extend Derrick before making him play out his 5th yr option. They gave him the money and I frankly am not surprised things turned out badly. Give selfish people generational wealth and you can expect these things. I knew he was selfish on the field. I never could've guessed he was even more selfish off of it.
 
You do realize this farce has nothing to do with Caserio. Lovie will be back for next season regardless of record.

After next season when more talent is brought in and in 2024 when there's a new HC, he will collaborate with Caserio to find the QB of the future. At least that's what I think is going to happen. Of course what do I know, I thought Culley was going to be here for 3 years.
That is how I see it also
 
If he is better than good at drafting and picking up FA players, which is should be the main focus of his job, you don’t fire him because of the coaching thing. Especially when one coach was to stay out of lawsuit and the other was a place holder for a job no one wanted.
So him choosing Culley and Lovie, who is that on? I've never seen a gm in the nfl that had 3 head coaches.
 
So him choosing Culley and Lovie, who is that on? I've never seen a gm in the nfl that had 3 head coaches.
Cal and Janice for monetary and racial lawsuit reasons. Derrick's perversions also played a part and cost the McNair's another 30 mil.
 
The McNair's made these hires for racial reasons something that should make you happy. Even though they hired 2 subpar Coaches in the process. The McNair's have always hired who they want to hire, ordo you really think RS would have hired BOB?
 
The McNair's made these hires for racial reasons something that should make you happy. Even though they hired 2 subpar Coaches in the process. The McNair's have always hired who they want to hire, ordo you really think RS would have hired BOB?
C'mon bro. Carsterio interviewed who he wanted, but he tried to dictate who the new coach kept on staff. All the potential candidates said nope. When they ran out of candidates and because of the Flores lawsuit, they couldn't hire McCown, so the only option was Lovie. The year before, Culley had the staff forced on him also. You're just trying to blame someone else except Carsterio. Lawsuits had zero to do with his coaching choices. The Texans organization has paid for 3 gms at the same time when they fired Smith,and Gaine. That's 3b organization and the coach is making on par with other coaches. I don't see any other team in the nfl with bridge coaches, 2 of them. The fallacy behind that is how can you build a system if you keep changing coaches?
 
C'mon bro. Carsterio interviewed who he wanted, but he tried to dictate who the new coach kept on staff. All the potential candidates said nope. When they ran out of candidates and because of the Flores lawsuit, they couldn't hire McCown, so the only option was Lovie. The year before, Culley had the staff forced on him also. You're just trying to blame someone else except Carsterio. Lawsuits had zero to do with his coaching choices. The Texans organization has paid for 3 gms at the same time when they fired Smith,and Gaine. That's 3b organization and the coach is making on par with other coaches. I don't see any other team in the nfl with bridge coaches, 2 of them. The fallacy behind that is how can you build a system if you keep changing coaches?
All I will say is following in his daddy's footsteps Cal hires the coaches he wants. At least that's what history says. You can choose to ignore history if you wish and yes Lovies hire had everything to do with race and the Flores lawsuit. BTW, I still like the Lovie hire he's serving his purpose.
 
So him choosing Culley and Lovie, who is that on? I've never seen a gm in the nfl that had 3 head coaches.

Don’t know. I wasn’t in the room. Neither were any of us. All we can do is speculate.

For all we know they could have drawn a name out of a hat or spun a wheel.

What we do is first go around no one wanted this job. And Bieniemy isn’t the HC material people speculate. Lovie may not have been an option because they knew they needed someone to fill a gap.

Then they had to get rid of Culley. There was supposed division. Caserio wanted one guy, Easterby wanted to go another way. After the lawsuit Cal decided to go the safe route.

You keep saying you have never seen a GM hire three HCs.

That isn’t reason enough to fire a GM.
 
Don’t know. I wasn’t in the room. Neither were any of us. All we can do is speculate.

For all we know they could have drawn a name out of a hat or spun a wheel.

What we do is first go around no one wanted this job. And Bieniemy isn’t the HC material people speculate. Lovie may not have been an option because they knew they needed someone to fill a gap.

Then they had to get rid of Culley. There was supposed division. Caserio wanted one guy, Easterby wanted to go another way. After the lawsuit Cal decided to go the safe route.

You keep saying you have never seen a GM hire three HCs.

That isn’t reason enough to fire a GM.
How did Esterbunny enter the equation? If you can't hire a competent coach, isn't that on the gm?
 
Isn't every gm in the league other than Belicheck?
Nah, you do it a certain way. Either the coach comes in and brings a gm who thinks of players like he does or you hire the gm and he brings in a coach whom he can vibe with. Under Caserio, he's hired 2 coaches that didn't get an interview with any other team. Culley was just happy to have a job as a head coach. He didn't pick any coach on his staff. When the gm dictate who the coach can hire, you're shrinking your talent pool. They couldn't hire Frazier because of his issues with Lovie from Tampa and Carsterio had already had Lovie in the hotel to be hired. Then after firing Culley, the puppet of all puppets after Flores was fired, again, trying to tell the coach who can be hired. It wasn't until they were out of options is when Lovie came into play. So if the gm is doing all of this as if he's done this somewhere else and witnessed success, why should he get to choice another failure coach?
 
How did Esterbunny enter the equation? If you can't hire a competent coach, isn't that on the gm?

I am just giving you the info as it is reported. McCown came to the Texans via Easterby. And the pivot from McCown/Gannon not only saved the Texans from the Flores lawsuit but also limited Easterby’s influence. For now.


 
Nah, you do it a certain way. Either the coach comes in and brings a gm who thinks of players like he does or you hire the gm and he brings in a coach whom he can vibe with. Under Caserio, he's hired 2 coaches that didn't get an interview with any other team. Culley was just happy to have a job as a head coach. He didn't pick any coach on his staff. When the gm dictate who the coach can hire, you're shrinking your talent pool. They couldn't hire Frazier because of his issues with Lovie from Tampa and Carsterio had already had Lovie in the hotel to be hired. Then after firing Culley, the puppet of all puppets after Flores was fired, again, trying to tell the coach who can be hired. It wasn't until they were out of options is when Lovie came into play. So if the gm is doing all of this as if he's done this somewhere else and witnessed success, why should he get to choice another failure coach?
How do you know that NC was trying to dictate who would be on the coaching staff? I haven't heard that elsewhere
 
I think Cal/Janice make the final decision
They do after the gm has done all the leg work and presented them with who he thinks should be coach. They did even interview McDaniels (Dolphins HC) and he was with the Texans organization.
 
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I am just giving you the info as it is reported. McCown came to the Texans via Easterby. And the pivot from McCown/Gannon not only saved the Texans from the Flores lawsuit but also limited Easterby’s influence. For now.


I know, but when I brought up Esterbunny, I'm tripping, lol.
 
I know, but when I brought up Esterbunny, I'm tripping, lol.

Once you stop looking at this organization like a regular organization, and realize they “different ” it will get all start making sense. The logical answer is usually the wrong answer.

That’s why I am hoping Caserio can bring some sanity to this organization. Lovie in some way too.

I think this is how Caserio arrived:

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That's why Gannon didn't take the job. Thats why Culley got the job.
Gannon was interviewed twice in 2022 after Culley had been fired. No one else hired him either, maybe there was another reason like with Bianimi?
 
It had something to do with Caserio. He allowed Jack to trot in McCown like a prized pig at the fair not once, but twice. He couldn't close the deal on the few legit candidates he brought in (McConnell and Gannon). Caserio had some leverage has a GM with a 6 year contract. Sorry, but Nicky is not blameless in this farce.
3 times if you count when Esterbunny was part of the coaching search and they interviewed him.
 
Nah, you do it a certain way. Either the coach comes in and brings a gm who thinks of players like he does or you hire the gm and he brings in a coach whom he can vibe with. Under Caserio, he's hired 2 coaches that didn't get an interview with any other team. Culley was just happy to have a job as a head coach. He didn't pick any coach on his staff. When the gm dictate who the coach can hire, you're shrinking your talent pool. They couldn't hire Frazier because of his issues with Lovie from Tampa and Carsterio had already had Lovie in the hotel to be hired. Then after firing Culley, the puppet of all puppets after Flores was fired, again, trying to tell the coach who can be hired. It wasn't until they were out of options is when Lovie came into play. So if the gm is doing all of this as if he's done this somewhere else and witnessed success, why should he get to choice another failure coach?
The McNairs hire the GM and the HC. Otherwise if Cal didn't put his foot down to his mother and Easterby, McCown would be the HC.
 
They do after the gm has done all the leg work and presented them with who he thinks should be coach. They did even interview McDaniels (Dolphins HC) and he was with the Texans organization.

In a normal org this would be true. I do think Caserio wanted Flores and his backup plan was Gannon. After the Flores lawsuit was filed Lovie was hired as the HC for that reason. Dont want to be called a racist by hiring a white guy with a discrimination lawsuit hanging over your head if you're in Cal's shoes.
 
Culley was to try and appease Watson into staying.

Lovie was a last resort in order to keep the existing staff together. Lovie will need to put up some wins or this go round could be a short stay.
 
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