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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

steelbtexan

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When Lovie fails. Who gets the blame?

I'm sure it wont be who it should be, Janice/Calhoun McNair)
 

steelbtexan

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Quoted for truth
How is that truth? Lol smh
If Lovie and Caserio bring a container to Kirby the McNair's will be extremely lucky, since obviously Caserio and Lovie aren't aligned. It remains to be seen if the McNair's will spend in fa when the time comes.

Looks like an 85 year old woman is running the team. So fans should expect more of the same old same old. Difference is now the fans aren't buying into what the McNair's are selling anymore. After 2 decades all I can say is it's about time.

Unfortunately the McNair's will still make alot of money off of the new rv/ gambling/streaming deals.
 

Earl34

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I don't find this to be obvious unless I put stock Texian's speculation. Which I don't.
To be fair. I don't think @Texian mentioned anything about Caserio and Lovie being unaligned. I don't know if Texian's speculation is true or false. However, it's hilarious watching the impact. It also explains how some narratives takes hold and no amount of logic, facts or common sense will debunk that narrative.
 

steelbtexan

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I don't find this to be obvious unless I put stock Texian's speculation. Which I don't.
Of course you don't

Are you saying that things haven't changed down on Kirby and there's a boardroom down there instead of one guy making the final calls?
 

Texian

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To be fair. I don't think @Texian mentioned anything about Caserio and Lovie being unaligned. I don't know if Texian's speculation is true or false. However, it's hilarious watching the impact. It also explains how some narratives takes hold and no amount of logic, facts or common sense will debunk that narrative.
All I can tell you is I watched the entire Lovie Smith press conference introducing Lovie as the new head coach. Since then, I have watched or listened to about a half dozen Lovie interviews and a couple of Caserio interviews.

To me, objectively speaking of course, it definitely sounds as though Lovie is in charge. He speaks like he is responsible for all football operations. Lovie says he will hire his coaches. (He did) Lovie says he and his staff will be responsible for bringing in talented players who fit and can play in Lovie's systems. In all interviews listened to, Lovie as the HC, sounds like the boss and the spokesperson for the team. Lovie publicly relieved Caserio from his game day headphone duties.

Caserio's interviews, post Lovie HC hire, have been much more conciliatory in nature than his previous interviews. Caserio speaks with a lot less, me, and I. His pronoun of choice is now we. He ended one interview with, it's still my responsibility to operate the draft keeping the coaches informed and what needs to be done to move up or down. And that was his only mention of where he is in charge.

Now I may be a bit naive, or just plain dumb but with some basic elementary deductive reasoning all indications strongly suggest that Lovie did not just show up all giddy like David Culley and say where do I sign. The behavior of the folks involved indicate that Lovie being a 2-time NFL HC, shows up with a keen insight, already knowing what to expect and had a strong list of demands, some non-negotiable, that had to be met in order for him to agree to be HC. One being he was not going to be another David Culley sock puppet. So far, the words and the actions of the actors involved seem to support that objective deductive reasoning.
 

steelbtexan

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All I can tell you is I watched the entire Lovie Smith press conference introducing Lovie as the new head coach. Since then, I have watched or listened to about a half dozen Lovie interviews and a couple of Caserio interviews.

To me, objectively speaking of course, it definitely sounds as though Lovie is in charge. He speaks like he is responsible for all football operations. Lovie says he will hire his coaches. (He did) Lovie says he and his staff will be responsible for bringing in talented players who fit and can play in Lovie's systems. In all interviews listened to, Lovie as the HC, sounds like the boss and the spokesperson for the team. Lovie publicly relieved Caserio from his game day headphone duties.

Caserio's interviews, post Lovie HC hire, have been much more conciliatory in nature than his previous interviews. Caserio speaks with a lot less, me, and I. His pronoun of choice is now we. He ended one interview with, it's still my responsibility to operate the draft keeping the coaches informed and what needs to be done to move up or down. And that was his only mention of where he is in charge.

Now I may be a bit naive, or just plain dumb but with some basic elementary deductive reasoning all indications strongly suggest that Lovie did not just show up all giddy like David Culley and say where do I sign. The behavior of the folks involved indicate that Lovie being a 2-time NFL HC, shows up with a keen insight, already knowing what to expect and had a strong list of demands, some non-negotiable, that had to be met in order for him to agree to be HC. One being he was not going to be another David Culley sock puppet. So far, the words and the actions of the actors involved seem to support that objective deductive reasoning.
How many years is Lovie's contract?
 

Texian

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Of course you don't

Are you saying that things haven't changed down on Kirby and there's a boardroom down there instead of one guy making the final calls?
I'm saying the actions, behavior and comments from the characters involved, are all saying, that in order for Lovie to agree to become the HC, Lovie had to have full control over hiring his staff, Lovie had to have final say on players and the roster, including the draft and free agency and Lovie had to be the spokesperson for the team. And Cal AGREED.
 

steelbtexan

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I'm saying the actions, behavior and comments from the characters involved, are all saying, that in order for Lovie to agree to become the HC, Lovie had to have full control over hiring his staff, Lovie had to have final say on players and the roster, including the draft and free agency and Lovie had to be the spokesperson for the team. And Cal AGREED.
Hope you're wrong.

How long does Lovie's contract run. If Lovie is in charge of the draft this team is screwed.
 

Texian

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How many years is Lovie's contract?
IDK and IDK his salary either. I'd guess 5 years and he's making more than David Culley was making. Lovie really had Cal over a barrel. If Cal doesn't hire Lovie they are back in square one at the end of another hiring cycle with a bunch of leftovers to sort thru. They would've been left to smelling a bunch of dirty T-shirts trying to hire the one that didn't smell as bad as the others. It was beginning to look a lot like David Culley 2.0.
 
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Texian

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Hope you're wrong.

How long does Lovie's contract run. If Lovie is in charge of the draft this team is screwed.
IMO I think Caserio is still setting the table but Lovie and his staff will be picking the groceries and planning the menu. You say they are screwed but it was Pep who was responsible for drafting Mills and Collins, who you love. Also, I think there is a strong chance this time around you may actually see pictures of Jack Easterby in the cafeteria and not at the head table in the draft war room.
 
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steelbtexan

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IDK and IDK his salary either. I'd guess 5 years and he's making more than David Culley was making. Lovie really had Cal over a barrel. If Cal doesn't hire Lovie they are back in square one at the end of another hiring cycle with a bunch of leftovers to sort thru. They would've been left to smelling a bunch of dirty T-shirts trying to hire the one that didn't smell as bad as the others.
Or just hire the guy Caserio wanted,

Gannon
 

steelbtexan

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What if Gannon turned the job down because he didn’t want the Pastor’s hand picked Deacon to be his OC, assistant head coach and or quarterbacks coach. Or what if he turned down because they didn’t want to get rid of Lovie.
What if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
 

TexansBull

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What if Gannon turned the job down because he didn’t want the Pastor’s hand picked Deacon to be his OC, assistant head coach and or quarterbacks coach. Or what if he turned down because they didn’t want to get rid of Lovie.
What if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
If your speculation doesn’t agree with others speculation you must be wrong.

Ok. Just trying to figure out the rules of the game.
 

Texian

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Or just hire the guy Caserio wanted,

Gannon
I think Gannon nixed that. Was not interested in being a Caserio/Easterby sock puppet.

If people would listen/watch the Lovie interviews since being named head coach and also listen/watch the Caserio interview, I think it is easy for one to understand that there has been a change in the chain of command.

BTW the Sun says good morning and to be sure to bring your sunglasses.
 

maverick512000

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Of course you don't

Are you saying that things haven't changed down on Kirby and there's a boardroom down there instead of one guy making the final calls?
Seems there was one guy that made the call only the guy was Cal and not Caserio, whether that is good or bad remains to be seen but if the choices were bringing in Gannon, who didn't impress at all in Philly, and losing Lovie or making Lovie the HC then I personally think it was a good thing. As far as Lovie and Caserio not being aligned that makes no sense as Lovie was hand picked by Caserio to be the DC knowing that Culley wouldn't have a clue what to do with a defense since he had never worked with one. Speaking of Culley seems that whomever Caserio isn't aligned with he fires so again the not aligned doesn't make sense.

I like the moves Caserio has made mostly and I don't agree with your RS/OB 2.0 theory but I will say if Caserio truly isn't aligned with all the coaches he hired, and it was him hiring them, and they were all, or at least the big three of HC, OC and DC, a mistake then yeah TK is right he doesn't know what he is doing. We already fired the HC because they weren't aligned, we fired the OC because he sucked and it was a desperate attempt to get Watson back so thats 2 out of 3. Are you really going to say that its actually 3 out of 3 yet we should trust Caserio to make the next hire?
 

maverick512000

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All I can tell you is I watched the entire Lovie Smith press conference introducing Lovie as the new head coach. Since then, I have watched or listened to about a half dozen Lovie interviews and a couple of Caserio interviews.

To me, objectively speaking of course, it definitely sounds as though Lovie is in charge. He speaks like he is responsible for all football operations. Lovie says he will hire his coaches. (He did) Lovie says he and his staff will be responsible for bringing in talented players who fit and can play in Lovie's systems. In all interviews listened to, Lovie as the HC, sounds like the boss and the spokesperson for the team. Lovie publicly relieved Caserio from his game day headphone duties.

Caserio's interviews, post Lovie HC hire, have been much more conciliatory in nature than his previous interviews. Caserio speaks with a lot less, me, and I. His pronoun of choice is now we. He ended one interview with, it's still my responsibility to operate the draft keeping the coaches informed and what needs to be done to move up or down. And that was his only mention of where he is in charge.

Now I may be a bit naive, or just plain dumb but with some basic elementary deductive reasoning all indications strongly suggest that Lovie did not just show up all giddy like David Culley and say where do I sign. The behavior of the folks involved indicate that Lovie being a 2-time NFL HC, shows up with a keen insight, already knowing what to expect and had a strong list of demands, some non-negotiable, that had to be met in order for him to agree to be HC. One being he was not going to be another David Culley sock puppet. So far, the words and the actions of the actors involved seem to support that objective deductive reasoning.
I agree with you that Lovie knew alot more going into it than Culley did just by virtue of this being his third time to the dance. Culley did an ok job but mostly he was just happy to finally grab that brass ring he has been chasing for 3 decades and be able to look back and say "I was an NFL HC." 22 million dollar retirement package didn't hurt either. Likewise I agree Lovie wanted more control but I don't think that was as big an issue for either Cal or Caserio as some make it sound simply because Lovie has done it before they trust him more. Either way while I was hoping for an offensive coach and then Lovie stay as DC if the choice was between losing Lovie or making him HC then give him a contract and pay the man.

Very happy to have Lovie as HC with or without Caserio approval.
 

steelbtexan

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I think Gannon nixed that. Was not interested in being a Caserio/Easterby sock puppet.

If people would listen/watch the Lovie interviews since being named head coach and also listen/watch the Caserio interview, I think it is easy for one to understand that there has been a change in the chain of command.

BTW the Sun says good morning and to be sure to bring your sunglasses.
I think you're wrong about Gannon wanting the job.

Agreed about there being a change in command and I've reached accordingly.
 

steelbtexan

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That has nothing to do with my post but you keep telling anyone you can get in ear shot with.

It hasn’t gotten old hearing you scream it from a mountain.

No one cares anymore.
I get that nobody cares. I just answer questions.

When you say control the things you can control like you said in an earlier post, I'm just letting you know that that's exactly what I'm doing. If you truly felt the way you did in the previous post you would understand this.

What you really tried to point out to the MB is that you think Texian influenced my decision. That couldn't be further from the truth.

I enjoyed the last 2 years of getting up late and talking to friends on the phone about the game. Then having friends come over and watch the game while cooking out in my backyard. Food and beer are much cheaper too.

I'm going to miss the guys and their families that I've sat around for almost 2 decades and the people that we've tailgated with for about a decade.

As far as the crap product the Calhoun's and their boardroom structure have put on the field, I won't be missing that at all.

I still might attend a couple of games this yr. Now that I've responded to you, I'm done with this topic.
 
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TexansBull

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I enjoyed the last 2 years of getting up late and talking to friends on the phone about the game.

I'm going to miss the guys and their families that I've sat around for almost 2 decades and the people that we've tailgated with for about a decade.
You are willing to miss out on life’s best experiences with friends and family just to pound the sand. You are making decisions based on a reality you made up in your mind that doesn’t exist.

You don’t even know if these decisions that you disagree with make the team better next year and future years.

If I was a business owner like you I would keep the season tickets as a write off and pass them out to your best suppliers and customers. They would be appreciative.
 

steelbtexan

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You are willing to miss out on life’s best experiences with friends and family just to pound the sand. You are making decisions based on a reality you made up in your mind that doesn’t exist.

You don’t even know if these decisions that you disagree with make the team better next year and future years.

If I was a business owner like you I would keep the season tickets as a write off and pass them out to your best suppliers and customers. They would be appreciative.
Maybe I realized during the 2 Covid yrs what I was missing by going to the games.

I was on the fence and this off-season knocked me off of the fence. 2 decades of giving incompetence money seems kind of ignorant to me and know, nothing has changed other than the names down on Kirby. The McNair's and the way they go about doing business.

Like I said, I will probably go to a couple of games.
 

Texian

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One thing is for sure, Nick Caserio is a very good Spin Doctor.
Texans GM: Brian Flores in mix for coach hire but Lovie Smith 'made the most sense' (houstonchronicle.com)

“Ultimately, Cal (McNair) put it (hiring a HC) on my shoulders to kind of make the decision I felt was best and to bring candidates to the table,” Caserio said. “Cal was very supportive and open (and) certainly put a lot of stock in the things I had to say.”

TRANSLATION: (Note there is no mention of Lovie in above italicized statement.)

Since Josh McDaniels and Jared Mayo would not return my calls, I fired Culley right after Flores was fired by the Dolphins with intentions of hiring Brian after working with him for several years in New England. Unfortunately, Flores filed his lawsuit against the NFL and the Texans, and this prohibited me from hiring him. - STRIKE ONE

I next focused on hiring Josh McCown and after 3 interviews I was prepared to offer Josh a contract. It was a done deal before it was impressed upon me that due to the nature of Flores lawsuit it would not be in the best interest of the Texans to hire Josh McCown. - STRIKE TWO

After fiddle farting around, my next best option (since all others had already been hired) had dwindled down to Johnathan Gannon, DC Eagles. Gannon wanted to be responsible for hiring his own coaching staff. Gannon wasn't interested in keeping Lovie as his DC which was a deal breaker (per Cal and Janice), so Gannon withdrew from consideration. - STRIKE 3.

After striking out (Flores, McCown, Gannon) I was back in square one at the end of the hiring cycle. I was left to smell the few remaining dirty T-shirts and trying to hire the T-Shirt that didn't smell as bad as the others.

That's when Cal stepped in and said, we're (WE) going to hire Lovie as our next HC and he will be in charge of football operations, players and X and Os.

This is where Nick let the Cat out of the bag that it was not his decision. He changes from I to WE"
"But, in the end, I we just felt that Lovie made the most sense for our team and situation at the time.”

2nd TRANSLATION: After exhausting all available options (in the end) and being at wits end and not knowing where to turn next, it dawned on us (Cal and Janice) the best decision for the Texans was starring them in the face and a decision I should've made last year, hire Lovie Smith and agree to all of demands. Because we would've been screwed if we didn't. So, I am now the administrator and Easterby is now the guidance counselor regardless of what our official titles say. Lovie is the Man!
 
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Maybe I realized during the 2 Covid yrs what I was missing by going to the games.

I was on the fence and this off-season knocked me off of the fence. 2 decades of giving incompetence money seems kind of ignorant to me and know, nothing has changed other than the names down on Kirby. The McNair's and the way they go about doing business.

Like I said, I will probably go to a couple of games.
You are a hopeless Texans addict just like the rest of us. Might as well keep the season tickets. You’ll still be talking about them on this forum ;)
 

Porky

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One thing is for sure, Nick Caserio is a very good Spin Doctor.
Texans GM: Brian Flores in mix for coach hire but Lovie Smith 'made the most sense' (houstonchronicle.com)

“Ultimately, Cal (McNair) put it (hiring a HC) on my shoulders to kind of make the decision I felt was best and to bring candidates to the table,” Caserio said. “Cal was very supportive and open (and) certainly put a lot of stock in the things I had to say.”

TRANSLATION: (Note there is no mention of Lovie in above italicized statement.)

Since Josh McDaniels and Jared Mayo would not return my calls, I fired Culley right after Flores was fired by the Dolphins with intentions of hiring Brian after working with him for several years in New England. Unfortunately, Flores filed his lawsuit against the NFL and the Texans, and this prohibited me from hiring him. - STRIKE ONE

I next focused on hiring Josh McCown and after 3 interviews I was prepared to offer Josh a contract. It was a done deal before it was impressed upon me that due to the nature of Flores lawsuit it would not be in the best interest of the Texans to hire Josh McCown. - STRIKE TWO

After fiddle farting around, my next best option (since all other had already been hired) had dwindled down to Johnathan Gannon, DC Eagles. Gannon wanted to be responsible for hiring his own coaching staff. Gannon wasn't interested in keeping Lovie as his DC which was a deal breaker (per Cal and Janice), so Gannon withdrew from consideration. - STRIKE 3.

After striking out (Flores, McCown, Gannon) I was back in square one at the end of the hiring cycle. I was left to smell the few remaining dirty T-shirts and trying to hire the T-Shirt that didn't smell as bad as the others.

That's when Cal stepped in and said, we're (WE) going to hire Lovie as our next HC and he will be in charge of football operations, players and X and Os.

This is where Nick let the Cat out of the bag that it was not his decision. He changes from I to WE"
"But, in the end, I we just felt that Lovie made the most sense for our team and situation at the time.”
Yup. All of it.
 

steelbtexan

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You are a hopeless Texans addict just like the rest of us. Might as well keep the season tickets. You’ll still be talking about them on this forum ;)
Save the time and money.

Bottom line is nothing has changed down on Kirby.

Calhoun lied
 


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