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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah but being a true "playoff contender" was never the ultimate goal, it was a bullet point.......... and it took them too long just to scratch that off the list. They toiled away for 5 years with those late season win streak just in time to juuussst miss the playoffs.......making everyone think that they were close.....Reality was the bad teams had checked out & the good teams were resting starters...& that was when they weren't just flat out bad. Hell we didn't even beat Indy in Indianapolis until BoB's 2nd-3rd year! which means Kubiak NEVER beat him there as the HC of the Texans. It wasn't until Kubiak got his card pulled by daddy McNair and made him bring in Wade that they were able to achieve that bullet point of getting to the playoffs.....which technically, they shouldn't have even been here to achieve...Should've been fired before then.
I'm not arguing that. Just the statement that it was a 12 year period of mediocrity.
If you aren't a true contender then that's the definition of mediocrity.
Texans fans don't realize this because it's all they've ever known.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Brother we had a lot of bad luck and it took Kubiak too long to find his DC. But those teams had talent. But the main point was Rick did not help destroy this team of today. That was all Bill O’Brien. I also blame Cal for allowing that crap.
Dejaview
All Pro
Might sound odd but that 12-4 season was one of the biggest gut punches I’ve seen. That season told me for sure that RS and Kubiak had no more room to grow. Why? They folded down the stretch losing an almost impossible to lose #1 playoff seed. They just could never play with the big boys.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He is not the main reason lol. Bill O’Brien is the main reason why this team is in a major funk.
I have no idea.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They folded because of injuries at the wrong time. Mainly to Matt Schaub.
A playoff team, yes
A true contender? Nope
Both the Kubiak/BOB regimes we're mediocre at best. What were the 2 commonalities? McNairs and RS.
I do know that obviously he wasn't a good match.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If Matt would’ve stayed healthy, they were true contenders. They won I believe 10 or 11 in a row that year. Matt got hurt and the rest is history. Even the big time experts had picked them to make it to the SB.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Can you please stop that crap. Hindsight is 50/50 dude and nobody knew Watson would pull this type of crap.
Tell me how many playoff games did Matt win? There's no assurances what would have happened if Matt would have played.
Everything else is wishful thinking.
Just remember I didn't want Derrick to be picked at the time.
They should have known before giving him 160 mil. Fact is 1 man wanted to bring Derrick to Kirby and that's the reason why the franchise is where it's at today. If he would have listened to me or anybody that said to trade up for Mahomes the franchise would be in a much better place today. Instead they are where they are and frankly they are getting what they deserve as an org.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You're mixing and matching seasons. 2011 is when Schaub got hurt...but upon him coming back in 2012 we did win like 6-7 in a row...but most everyone saw us as paper tigers..& we didn't disappoint. A-aron had already laid the blueprint for beating us in that prime time ass whipping against where he tossed 6 TD's on us before i could even get 1 beer down. Lost 3 of 4 down the stretch that year..the last 2 to 2 horrible teams in Indy and a Christian Ponder led Viking team b/c Kubiak thought it was a good idea to rest his starters.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Y’all arguing about Rick Smith vs OB like it matters.
Some of us sitting around wondering if we are going to get a head coach that has actually coached in the NFL.
Some of us sitting around wondering if we are going to get a head coach that has actually coached in the NFL.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think there is another tier and that is perennial loser.
Texans are good being stuck at average.
Jags are losers. They always seem to suck badly more than they are good.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Reality is its not gonna matter...There are those among us who are going to complain no matter who it is. You don't have to look any further than the Caserio hire. A guy who is as qualified as you can possibly be to be a GM...Its nonsensical really.
Dejaview
All Pro
Was just going to post this. he was injured in 2011. Wasn’t 2012 also the letter jacket year? They both had to go at that point IMO.
Dejaview
All Pro
If you believe this…whew
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
No such thing partner....History says you can't be considered that unless you win. I'm sure Belichick was the same forward thinking football mind he is considered today when he was in Cleveland too.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You know, people around here like to bring in the real business world from time to time. If you're running a company and you're looking to hire someone for an upper management position, and you pick up a resume that has no experience for what you're hiring for, forget calling that person in for an interview and eventually hiring them. You're putting that resume in the shredder and moving to the next.
Not saying that someone with no experience can't learn and grow on the job and eventually succeed, but who's taking that chance? I mean, other than the ******* Texans. It's hard enough for people with more on their resumes.
Time to get out of this steel made rabbit hole. SteelB is all in on the greatness of Nick Caserio. Yet, Caserio and the Patriots drafted a known gang member who ended up committing murder. I bet if Caserio signs another gang member. It will be either Ricky's fault or Caserio is doing things different at NRG and he is not sticking to Ricky's Texans worthy crap. In other words, it's not worth it.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
exhibit A - David Culley
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
You know, people around here like to bring in the real business world from time to time. If you're running a company and you're looking to hire someone for an upper management position, and you pick up a resume that has no experience for what you're hiring for, forget calling that person in for an interview and eventually hiring them. You're putting that resume in the shredder and moving to the next.
Not saying that someone with no experience can't learn and grow on the job and eventually succeed, but who's taking that chance? I mean, other than the ******* Texans. It's hard enough for people with more on their resumes.
You make a good point but (and I am no proponent of hiring McCown) McCown has industry experience with an interesting background looking at this from a business perspective. He is basically the dark horse type of candidate that recruiters bring in to see what the board of directors think because he is different than the other candidates. I was one of those candidates once. Did not have the direct experience but was brought in anyway because I had indirect industry experience and leadership experience in the military. Have been that person a few times. Never got the job, but it was always an interesting experience.
Kinda playing devil's advocate because it seems pretty obvious why McCown was brought in and it wasn't likely because he was the out of the box dark horse candidate.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You know, people around here like to bring in the real business world from time to time. If you're running a company and you're looking to hire someone for an upper management position, and you pick up a resume that has no experience for what you're hiring for, forget calling that person in for an interview and eventually hiring them. You're putting that resume in the shredder and moving to the next.
Not saying that someone with no experience can't learn and grow on the job and eventually succeed, but who's taking that chance? I mean, other than the ******* Texans. It's hard enough for people with more on their resumes.
Lol, clearly you've never worked in the real business world then
Texansballer74
The Marine
We’re not the only one dealing with power struggles
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Texansballer74
The Marine
The media heads ( most of them) picked us to make it to the Super Bowl that year we went 12-4. I remember because I was like wow the Texans are finally getting some love.
Texansballer74
The Marine
My bad they went 11-1 that year. They were the hottest team.
2012 Super Bowl Odds: 49ers, Texans surge ahead of the pack
The 2012 Super Bowl odds are constantly shifting. Week 2 featured plenty of correction following the over-reaction of Week 1. Let's take a look at the teams that are favored (and the teams that are not) and decipher what it all means.
www.cbssports.com
Pete Prisco: Texans vs. Packers-- Even though Green Bay lost to the 49ers, I think the defensive improvement against Chicago makes them the favorite still. What can't the Texans do? They can run it. Throw it. And play great defense.
Mike Freeman: Ravens vs. Packers -- The Ravens finally have an offense. Or at least an offense that allows Joe Flacco more freedom something I've wanted the Ravens organization to do for some time. The offense has the potential to produce some serious firepower to go along with an already dominant defense.
Will Brinson: Texans vs. Falcons -- Why? Because I picked it before the season and thus far, both teams have looked quite good. The NFC will be tough to navigate, but as long Atlanta doesn't get crushed with big-time injuries like Brent Grimes all season, they can pull it off. Houston's kicked the mess out of two inferior opponents, but that doesn't make them any less well-rounded or talented.
Josh Katzowitz: Texans vs. Packers -- While 2-0 might not sound like much, there are only two teams in the AFC that have accomplished it -- Houston and the Chargers. So far, the Texans defense, running game and quarterbacking have come together to make this the best team in the conference. Hey, Green Bay lost in Week 1. It happens. But that doesn't mean the Packers won't win the NFC North and then outlast San Francisco in their rematch from Week 1 to make their second Super Bowl in three years. That Green Bay offense is just too good.
Ryan Wilson: Texans vs. 49ers -- Despite the preseason hype the Texans are easily the most under-the-radar 2-0 team. While folks are wondering how the Eagles and Cardinals managed to win two games, it's business as usual for the Texans. I don't expect San Francisco to play at this level for the entire season but through two weeks they've been the NFL's best team with convincing wins over Green Bay and Detroit.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Must've been local media guys.....had to be considering how we finished that year & how Kubiak's teams had shown the tendency to not perform in prime time and how they were famous for not beating elite qbs...it was literally the hallmark of his teams for years here. That particular year we only faced 3 elite qbs & went 1-2...not counting the playoffs (1-3).
Peyton Manning..that was his 1st year in Denver after sitting out 2011 with the surgery.......we caught him early in the season when he was still getting back in to the swing of it all......we barely hung on to win that 1....
The aforementioned GB monday night massacre Rodgers put on us....Made us look like children...but that was our 1st loss that year..
Then the late season shlacking Brady put on us that gave us our 2nd loss that year......before the end of season meltdown against Indy and Minny.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No sir
Falcons-Texans in Super Bowl XLVII? Quarter-pole predictions
Published: Oct 01, 2012 at 06:25 AM
With the first four Sundays of the 2012 campaign in the books, it's time to start thinking about New Orleans. No, not the 0-4 Saints; we're talking about the location for Super Bowl XLVII. At the quarter pole, which two teams do you think will square off in the Big Easy in February?
- Steve Wyche NFL.com
- Battle of the birds: Falcons vs. Ravens
Texansballer74
The Marine
- Charley Casserly NFL.com
- Texans and Falcons are NFL's most complete teams at quarter pole
OK didn't know she'd gone public for Biden, but I do remember when the ole man complained about Barrys election.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The New York Giants have just completed interviewing Brian Flores.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Can't really tell if you are discounting ALL inexperienced candidates, or only McCown. There are quite a few positive comments supporting DeMeco and Jarod. Are you discounting them as well? These two have little more experience than Josh. I've listed three long established experienced coaches at the top of my list. But if inexperienced resumes are being considered, then McCown is at the top of this list, for me.
You know, people around here like to bring in the real business world from time to time. If you're running a company and you're looking to hire someone for an upper management position, and you pick up a resume that has no experience for what you're hiring for, forget calling that person in for an interview and eventually hiring them. You're putting that resume in the shredder and moving to the next.
Not saying that someone with no experience can't learn and grow on the job and eventually succeed, but who's taking that chance? I mean, other than the ******* Texans. It's hard enough for people with more on their resumes.
What you are ignoring is that the Texans may be shooting for a strong, hands on, GM model. If an inexperienced HC is hired, Caserio may be running the show from the top and the coordinators running the offense and defense from below.
The run on candidates have begun, with two teams hiring today. The Texans have not had a long list of interviewed candidates. Kevin O'Connell and Mike McDaniel are still involved in the playoffs. One will become available next week. We don't know if either of these will be interviewed, but my point is that McCown seems to be on any short list the Texans may have and I, for one, would be OK if he was hired. My emotion would be one of curiosity to see how Caserio's plan for the Texans work out going into the draft, OTA's, training camp and the season. McCown would be something different. The Texans have gotten it wrong in the past. Something different may be good.
Dejaview
All Pro
lol, if these media types were so prescient and astute then why were they not aware of our perennial inability to take the next step? This was the year I knew the HC and GM didn’t know how to do it. I originally was on their bandwagon until year after year I never saw that next step taken. I mentioned in another post that I feel that our next HC must understand how to maintain tempo in an offense and how to manage momentum. Never felt like any progress was made in those respect with those guys.No sir
Falcons-Texans in Super Bowl XLVII? Quarter-pole predictions
Published: Oct 01, 2012 at 06:25 AM
With the first four Sundays of the 2012 campaign in the books, it's time to start thinking about New Orleans. No, not the 0-4 Saints; we're talking about the location for Super Bowl XLVII. At the quarter pole, which two teams do you think will square off in the Big Easy in February?
I am going to stick with my preseason AFC pick: the Baltimore Ravens. It just seems like such a complete team, but it might take getting home-field advantage to withstand the Houston Texans.
- Steve Wyche NFL.com
- Battle of the birds: Falcons vs. Ravens
Texansballer74
The Marine
This is what I've been saying all along.
Folks get worked up about my ridicule of Easterby - and I do it mainly because it's fun and he's low hanging fruit - but ultimately Jack is just a symptom of something much more fundamentally dysfunctional: bad ownership.
Cal is the moron that gave O'Brien ultimate power after a historical playoff choke and flipping the bird at fans. What successful owner does such a thing? And he's the owner that ultimately signed off on trading away a star player for [insert random reasons here].
At the end of the day, we have a baby Bud Adams here that will ultimately be the source of continued failure simply because he is clueless and is easy to manipulate.
So expecting this owner to do anything more than continue the folly that he's already displayed is. . .well, wishful thinking.
I just look forward to the day when he starts groveling for taxpayer money to renovate the stadium we built. It's only a matter of time.
If Rick Smith had listened to you. He would have drafted Nate Peterman and not Watson.
I think there's a good chance of him hiring O'Connell or Gannon. I'm still hoping for McDaniels.
Should've had to go.
Nice diversion from the truth.
I really wouldn't mind giving guys 2nd chances and ending the Texans Worthy BS. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Big difference from making these guys the face of your franchise and giving them 160 mil.
Exactly, anybody who by the end of the regular season thought the Texans were contenders were fooling themselves or didn't watch the team play over the last month of the regular season.
BTW, That season was Kubiak's finest coaching job down on Kirby. He got the most out of a top heavy but thin roster.