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thunderkyss

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By my eyes. I noticed more penetration coming through Scharping than any where else on the line. I noticed run blocking was more effective where he wasn't. I noticed that he was the one that was getting pushed back the most. How did your eyes see it?
I didn't notice anything in particular where I thought one area was any worse than the others.
 

thunderkyss

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Very astute observation. Scharping is a bust. Gotta admit the mistake and move on. Scharping will play along time in the NFL as a career backup.
I don’t think that’s accurate. His observation that is. I’ll have to watch it again, but I’m almost certain he wasn’t the worst
 

thunderkyss

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True, but overall he played well I thought. There's always going to be a bad play or 2 a game from most non all pro ol.
I think they all played well. A bad play here or there.

To be expected.

that play in particular looks like the line was to slide left. I don’t know if that was a good call. Sliding left compromised Heck imo & he did the best he could in a bad situation.

still, I don’t remember the majority of pressures or penetration coming on the right side of the line, which vtech9 was saying.
 
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steelbtexan

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I think they all played well. A bad play here or there.

To be expected.

that play in particular looks like the line was to slide left. I don’t know if that was a good call. Sliding right compromised Heck imo & he did the best he could in a bad situation.

still, I don’t remember the majority of pressures or penetration coming on the right side of the line, which vtech9 was saying.
I know Tillery busted through a few times between Morrisey and Scharping.
 

michaelm

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I dont see him being able to use the whole field. Rail throws or sideline throws are the type every nfl qb can make. Can he make drive throws consistently inside a dirty pocket? Right now his ypa is 6.2 which means he's dink and dunk. A franchise qb is a qb who can make up for what you don't have. There are no perfect teams, so your qb is going to have to be a force multiplier. I like Mills, but I don't like him enough to just give him the job without competing for it. If Caserio deems a qb a franchise qb, you got to draft him. Regardless, the qb is the most important player on the team. Again, Mills earned the right to compete next year as a starter to me.
For what it's worth, Mills ypa in the past three games is 7.16, 6.97 and 10.89, respectively. So, showing some improvement.
 

vtech9

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I think they all played well. A bad play here or there.

To be expected.

that play in particular looks like the line was to slide left. I don’t know if that was a good call. Sliding right compromised Heck imo & he did the best he could in a bad situation.

still, I don’t remember the majority of pressures or penetration coming on the right side of the line, which vtech9 was saying.
I would have to rewatch it, but there was 1 play in particular We're Davis mills actually completed the pass, But he had Scharping's back in his face, because the defensive tackle had driven Scharping back into Mills.
 

Rich Schmidt

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I would have to rewatch it, but there was 1 play in particular We're Davis mills actually completed the pass, But he had Scharping's back in his face, because the defensive tackle had driven Scharping back into Mills.
It was one of the plays the QB school guy reviewed in his video, pretty clear Mills had Scharping and his guy pressed into him
 

Texansballer74

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Here is a great review of every pass play. I like this guy's analysis because he reviews the QB's footwork and defensive coverages. Also, while watching the video look at the WR routes on most of the passes.

I’ve watched a lot of his videos. Posted a few on here last year.
 

thunderkyss

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It was one of the plays the QB school guy reviewed in his video, pretty clear Mills had Scharping and his guy pressed into him
I am not saying Scharping was perfect. I’m arguing the statement that he was the worst.

I’ve only watched the game twice & doubt I’ll watch it again. All 5 played well. All 5 had a bad moment or two. None stood out as particularly bad, or especially bad to me.
 

leebigeztx

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Not every NFL QB can make the type of throw I described to you that Mills made on Sunday. Example: There's no way that TT could've made that throw. Schaub couldn't make that throw. (Although he tried to sometimes which lead to pick 6's)

His YPA is so low because Culley/Kelly/Pep kept the training wheels on him the 1st time he started. Also you cant run the type of patterns like the one I described when the OL doesn't give the receivers time to run basic deep over/under routes. I expect the YPA to go back down on Sunday because the 49ers have a really good pass rush and the routes will have to be shortened. Also they will have to go back to the sending 3 receivers to one side of the hashes routes more often because of lack of protection. Mills is going to have to go back to reading and getting rid of the ball quickly again. Fix the OL and run the ball like you did Sunday and you will see performances like you did Sunday become more common place.

The things you see as weaknesses, I see as correctable with experience and improved talent around Mills. Like throwing from a dirty pocket, he's getting alot of experience doing that this yr. Sunday is the 1st time this yr that Mills has had time to sit back in a relatively clean pocket read defenses and make throws. He did a great job throwing with extreme accuracy and anticipation.

I'm all for bringing in competition. I'm hoping Zappe falls to the 5th or 6th rd as well as bringing in a vet to compete. A Kyle Allen type backup would be optimal. What I find interesting is Texans fans get a young inexperienced QB that can obviously play and had a great game and are still not optimistic.

To me Mills has earned the right to go into next yr as the starter and gain more experience so Caserio can see what he has. Right now I believe the results so far look very promising.
I just don't see special traits. I mean Andy Dalton won a bunch of games and Rick Mirer played well as a rookie. Look at the afc and tell me in what match-up is he going to have the advantage? I didn't mention Watson because we don't know what team he's going to be on, maybe the Dolphins. You have to have a special guy back there to win in this new NFL. If you don't, you're wasting time. You're never going to be able to build a team to offset an average talent qb. That's why the Baker Mayfield extension is up in the air. Thats a talented roster,
Here’s his take on Watson

The only person who thought Watson wasn't elite is we know who
 

badboy

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I just don't see special traits. I mean Andy Dalton won a bunch of games and Rick Mirer played well as a rookie. Look at the afc and tell me in what match-up is he going to have the advantage? I didn't mention Watson because we don't know what team he's going to be on, maybe the Dolphins. You have to have a special guy back there to win in this new NFL. If you don't, you're wasting time. You're never going to be able to build a team to offset an average talent qb. That's why the Baker Mayfield extension is up in the air. Thats a talented roster,

The only person who thought Watson wasn't elite is we know who
I don't think the quarterbacks of the Colts, Eagles or the Dolphins as you mentioned have special traits.
 

leebigeztx

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I don't think the quarterbacks of the Colts, Eagles or the Dolphins as you mentioned have special traits.
Before the injury, Wentz was going to win the MVP. He's a big strong athlete. Not really a Tua or Hurts fan honestly and that's why those 2 teams have been mentioned in the Watson sweepstakes
 

badboy

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Before the injury, Wentz was going to win the MVP. He's a big strong athlete. Not really a Tua or Hurts fan honestly and that's why those 2 teams have been mentioned in the Watson sweepstakes
3 years ago? Where were those special traits in 2020? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-carson-wentz-took-a-big-step-back-in-2020-but-he-still-has-something-to-offer-to-the-right-team

PFF 72 this year. Good quarterback this year but I would not say he's special. I am just saying that Davis Mills does not have to be more than good to be successful during his contract.
 

Speedy

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3 years ago? Where were those special traits in 2020? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-carson-wentz-took-a-big-step-back-in-2020-but-he-still-has-something-to-offer-to-the-right-team

PFF 72 this year. Good quarterback this year but I would not say he's special. I am just saying that Davis Mills does not have to be more than good to be successful during his contract.
So you completely ignore the 3 straight years he went 33/7, 21/7, and 27/7 TD to INT, and this year where he's 25/6, and focus solely on that bad 2020 season? Gotcha.
 

leebigeztx

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Some of the throws he made yesterday jumped off of the page. In the last 3 games what has made you think he's limited physically? I'm thinking if Caserio can fix the OL there will be few limits to the offense once Mills has a run game to work with. I'm very interested in what limits you think Mills has?

1.Quick decision maker - Check
2. Improving weekly- check
3. Makes anicipatory throws into tight windows with great accuracy.
4.Doesn't drop his eyes when the rush is coming for him.
5. Plenty strong enough arm. One of the best throws he made yesterday was a throw 30 yds downfield on a line to the opposite hash, about 50 yds in the air. Receiver couldn't keep his feet in, but that was a great throw and certainly not the type of throw a weak armed QB can make.

Now if you want to say he feathers some throws to much and sometimes locks onto his receivers I can get on board with you. But that can be fixed with more experience.



Which QB's jumped off of the page physically in the last draft? In next yrs draft? Did Brady/Manning Brees ect... jump off of the page physically? Nope the did their work with their minds. Which is a much more important trait. IMHO
Please don't use Brady or Brees in a case for Mills. We all know Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd rd and Brady is an anomaly. Both Manning brothers went #1 and had 4 yrs of college ball.
 

leebigeztx

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Flacco did win a Superbowl with a near-perfect team around him, so that is not purely bad.

Mills is in the process of getting his chance to show he is the long-term solution. I don't actually know what he is yet.
Flacco had elite physical tools and was a better athlete than given credit for. His superbowl run was incredible because he used his talent and Raven thought they would get that for at least 8 years.
 

TheRealJoker

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Flacco had elite physical tools and was a better athlete than given credit for. His superbowl run was incredible because he used his talent and Raven thought they would get that for at least 8 years.
Flacco’s playoff run was one of the best QB playoff performances in NFL history. He was hot for a short time, but that time he was ELITE!

Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason

4-0 record in 2012 playoffs
73-126 1140 11 tds 0 ints 117.2 QB rating
 
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steelbtexan

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Please don't use Brady or Brees in a case for Mills. We all know Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd rd and Brady is an anomaly. Both Manning brothers went #1 and had 4 yrs of college ball.
I'm not comparing them as QB's.

You said you like QB's to have a certain build/stature. I'm asking you what stood out about the Mannings/Brady/Brees etc... build/stature that made you think they would become stars and how is Mills build/stature comparable to them at this stage of Mills career or when he was drafted for that matter?

Heck, how is Mills build/stature different from Bledsoe or Stafford/Goff etc...?
 

TexansBull

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I'm not comparing them as QB's.

You said you like QB's to have a certain build/stature. I'm asking you what stood out about the Mannings/Brady/Brees etc... build/stature that made you think they would become stars and how is Mills build/stature comparable to them at this stage of Mills career or when he was drafted for that matter?

Heck, how is Mills build/stature different from Bledsoe or Stafford/Goff etc...?
Mills build/stature is different due to his neck.
 

leebigeztx

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I'm not comparing them as QB's.

You said you like QB's to have a certain build/stature. I'm asking you what stood out about the Mannings/Brady/Brees etc... build/stature that made you think they would become stars and how is Mills build/stature comparable to them at this stage of Mills career or when he was drafted for that matter?

Heck, how is Mills build/stature different from Bledsoe or Stafford/Goff etc...?
See, you're trying to wordplay me again. I said physical traits. Much like Matt Schaub, I don't see any physical trait that can separate him from being just ok. Same thing with Cousins. Alex Smith was a really good qb, but he was replaced with a guy who had more physical ability in both places. In today's NFL, your qb has to be a playmaker. Again, look who you have to beat to get where you're trying to go. Mahomes, Herbert, Jackson,and Allen. You stated in another thread about 2023 or 2024 being a contender. Those guys in 3 yrs will still be sub 30 yrs of age and entering their prime. If you settle on a qb who doesn't have any elite skills, how do you beat the qbs with elite skill?
 

steelbtexan

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See, you're trying to wordplay me again. I said physical traits. Much like Matt Schaub, I don't see any physical trait that can separate him from being just ok. Same thing with Cousins. Alex Smith was a really good qb, but he was replaced with a guy who had more physical ability in both places. In today's NFL, your qb has to be a playmaker. Again, look who you have to beat to get where you're trying to go. Mahomes, Herbert, Jackson,and Allen. You stated in another thread about 2023 or 2024 being a contender. Those guys in 3 yrs will still be sub 30 yrs of age and entering their prime. If you settle on a qb who doesn't have any elite skills, how do you beat the qbs with elite skill?
I'm not trying to word play you.

The only QB with elite skills to win a SB lately has been Mahomes. With 11 games under his belt Mills outplayed Herbert Sunday.

Will Mills ever be Mahomes or Herbert no. But he's certainly not Schaub either. I don't think Derrick will ever win a championship.

We just value different things when it comes to championship quality QB play. The style I enjoy watching has proven to be championship quality stuff. The style you like watching so far for the most part has been all hat and no cattle.
 

leebigeztx

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I'm not trying to word play you.

The only QB with elite skills to win a SB lately has been Mahomes. With 11 games under his belt Mills outplayed Herbert Sunday.

Will Mills ever be Mahomes or Herbert no. But he's certainly not Schaub either. I don't think Derrick will ever win a championship.

We just value different things when it comes to championship quality QB play. The style I enjoy watching has proven to be championship quality stuff. The style you like watching so far for the most part has been all hat and no cattle.
So Ben, Rodgers,Mahomes and Flacco has been all hat and no cattle huh? Again, it has nothing to do with style and more to do with negotiating imperfect situations with your talent level. If you don't have the talent level to make the plays, then that's where you will always land. I've always enjoyed Brees, Brady,and Peyton, but my favorite is Elway. He carried those teams. He didn't have a top 2 defense like Montana had. He didn't have Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, or Roger Craig either, yet he took those teams to the superbowl with his extraordinary talent. When he got a coach and a system, along with players, he won back to back. Kirk Cousins ain't taking you anywhere because of his limitations. I don't any special qualities in Mills whether its his arm talent or his processor upstairs. I see a nfl qb, marginal starter/backup.
 

vtech9

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So Ben, Rodgers,Mahomes and Flacco has been all hat and no cattle huh? Again, it has nothing to do with style and more to do with negotiating imperfect situations with your talent level. If you don't have the talent level to make the plays, then that's where you will always land. I've always enjoyed Brees, Brady,and Peyton, but my favorite is Elway. He carried those teams. He didn't have a top 2 defense like Montana had. He didn't have Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, or Roger Craig either, yet he took those teams to the superbowl with his extraordinary talent. When he got a coach and a system, along with players, he won back to back. Kirk Cousins ain't taking you anywhere because of his limitations. I don't any special qualities in Mills whether its his arm talent or his processor upstairs. I see a nfl qb, marginal starter/backup.
Oh come on. Seriously? Elway won his first SB because of Terrell Davis. Elway didn't have Rice, Clark, or Roger Craig, but he had WR's Ed McCaffrey & Rod Smith, TE Shannon Sharpe, and TD at RB. Elway had a bad game. The Broncos may not have had a top 2 defense, but they weren't too shabby.

I think you are the one that is trying to do the word play here. You seem to be intentionally misinterpreting steelb's comment. He said Mahomes was the only QB "with elite skills" in recent history to win a Super Bowl. Big Ben, Rodgers, and Flacco aren't the same kind of QB as Mahomes. I might put Russel Wilson and Lamar Jackson in the same category as Mahomes, but the others are closer to the type of QB that Mills is.

Looks like I'll have to put you in the same category as Texian and 76Texan. Posters that keep trying to change the discussion to fit their argument. SMH. I will at least read Texians posts in the college forums. It's gotten to the point that I will only skim over 76's posts. Don't be that guy.
 

Texansballer74

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So Ben, Rodgers,Mahomes and Flacco has been all hat and no cattle huh? Again, it has nothing to do with style and more to do with negotiating imperfect situations with your talent level. If you don't have the talent level to make the plays, then that's where you will always land. I've always enjoyed Brees, Brady,and Peyton, but my favorite is Elway. He carried those teams. He didn't have a top 2 defense like Montana had. He didn't have Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, or Roger Craig either, yet he took those teams to the superbowl with his extraordinary talent. When he got a coach and a system, along with players, he won back to back. Kirk Cousins ain't taking you anywhere because of his limitations. I don't any special qualities in Mills whether its his arm talent or his processor upstairs. I see a nfl qb, marginal starter/backup.
He had Terrell Davis who was a monster coming out that backfield
 

mws

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There have been 7 QBs that have played in 4 or more SBs.

Tom Brady--------7-3----10 Total
John Elway-------2-3------5 Total
Joe Montana------4-0-----4 Total
Terry Bradshaw---4-0-----4 Total
Peyton Manning--2-2-----4 Total
Roger Staubach---2-2-----4 Total
Jim Kelly----------0-4-----4 Total

Jim Kelly still holds the record for most consecutive SBs with 4 (even though he lost all 4).
Peyton Manning & Tom Brady have both won SBs with 2 different teams.
Joe Montana & Terry Bradshaw are the only 2 that were undefeated in SBs played.
 

badboy

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So you completely ignore the 3 straight years he went 33/7, 21/7, and 27/7 TD to INT, and this year where he's 25/6, and focus solely on that bad 2020 season? Gotcha.
No not ignoring them at all but looking at his two most recent seasons. He had special traits during those earlier but doesn't appear to since the injury. He might be on the way back but that would be just opinion.
 

steelbtexan

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Flacco’s playoff run was one of the best QB playoff performances in NFL history. He was hot for a short time, but that time he was ELITE!

Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason

4-0 record in 2012 playoffs
73-126 1140 11 tds 0 ints 117.2 QB rating
And still got lucky Moore blew that coverage on Jacoby or the Ravens wouldn't have made the SB.
 
Oh come on. Seriously? Elway won his first SB because of Terrell Davis. Elway didn't have Rice, Clark, or Roger Craig, but he had WR's Ed McCaffrey & Rod Smith, TE Shannon Sharpe, and TD at RB. Elway had a bad game. The Broncos may not have had a top 2 defense, but they weren't too shabby.

I think you are the one that is trying to do the word play here. You seem to be intentionally misinterpreting steelb's comment. He said Mahomes was the only QB "with elite skills" in recent history to win a Super Bowl. Big Ben, Rodgers, and Flacco aren't the same kind of QB as Mahomes. I might put Russel Wilson and Lamar Jackson in the same category as Mahomes, but the others are closer to the type of QB that Mills is.

Looks like I'll have to put you in the same category as Texian and 76Texan. Posters that keep trying to change the discussion to fit their argument. SMH. I will at least read Texians posts in the college forums. It's gotten to the point that I will only skim over 76's posts. Don't be that guy.
Most would be hard pressed to name anyone off those Broncos teams from 1986 & 1987. Young Elway carried those teams with his superior talent...ask the Cleveland Browns. However it did take additional talent for Elway to actually win a SB but he was at the end of his career. I want Mills to succeed but he is not at the same talent level as those QBs SteelB & LeeB are talking about (even in their 1st year) and he doesn't have to be. He just needs to become consistently good enough for this TEAM to win and compete/play for conference championships and SBs.
 

steelbtexan

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Most would be hard pressed to name anyone off those Broncos teams from 1986 & 1987. Young Elway carried those teams with his superior talent...ask the Cleveland Browns. However it did take additional talent for Elway to actually win a SB but he was at the end of his career. I want Mills to succeed but he is not at the same talent level as those QBs SteelB & LeeB are talking about (even in their 1st year) and he doesn't have to be. He just needs to become consistently good enough for this TEAM to win and compete/play for conference championships and SBs.
Elway was the dream combination at QB. Best skills of any QB I've seen. Even better than Rodgers/Mahomes, had genius level brain to go with it and in the same sentence as Montana and Brady when it came to the clutch gene. I think he was the most gifted QB to ever play the position.

Mills will never be that. I would settle for 80% of that with the clutch gene included.
 

leebigeztx

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Oh come on. Seriously? Elway won his first SB because of Terrell Davis. Elway didn't have Rice, Clark, or Roger Craig, but he had WR's Ed McCaffrey & Rod Smith, TE Shannon Sharpe, and TD at RB. Elway had a bad game. The Broncos may not have had a top 2 defense, but they weren't too shabby.

I think you are the one that is trying to do the word play here. You seem to be intentionally misinterpreting steelb's comment. He said Mahomes was the only QB "with elite skills" in recent history to win a Super Bowl. Big Ben, Rodgers, and Flacco aren't the same kind of QB as Mahomes. I might put Russel Wilson and Lamar Jackson in the same category as Mahomes, but the others are closer to the type of QB that Mills is.

Looks like I'll have to put you in the same category as Texian and 76Texan. Posters that keep trying to change the discussion to fit their argument. SMH. I will at least read Texians posts in the college forums. It's gotten to the point that I will only skim over 76's posts. Don't be that guy.
Do what you feel floats your boat. Elway was dynamic before he won Superbowls. They didn't lose superbowls because of him, they lost because the teams were avg and his super talent carried them there. All those qbs I mentioned except Brady had exceptional talent. Especially Flacco, Rodgers, and Ben in terms of arm talent. Do what you do, I'm not losing sleep nor varying from my opinion.
 

steelbtexan

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Do what you feel floats your boat. Elway was dynamic before he won Superbowls. They didn't lose superbowls because of him, they lost because the teams were avg and his super talent carried them there. All those qbs I mentioned except Brady had exceptional talent. Especially Flacco, Rodgers, and Ben in terms of arm talent. Do what you do, I'm not losing sleep nor varying from my opinion.
I will say Elway was the most physically talented QB I've seen play the game. Could run the ball like Derrick, was a brilliant football mind and had a Arm as good as Favre/Mahomes.
 

leebigeztx

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There have been 7 QBs that have played in 4 or more SBs.

Tom Brady--------7-3----10 Total
John Elway-------2-3------5 Total
Joe Montana------4-0-----4 Total
Terry Bradshaw---4-0-----4 Total
Peyton Manning--2-2-----4 Total
Roger Staubach---2-2-----4 Total
Jim Kelly----------0-4-----4 Total

Jim Kelly still holds the record for most consecutive SBs with 4 (even though he lost all 4).
Peyton Manning & Tom Brady have both won SBs with 2 different teams.
Joe Montana & Terry Bradshaw are the only 2 that were undefeated in SBs played.
Aikman. Its like we really have to look at pre 93 almost like sports integration. Montana and Bradshaw had their teams together for like 8 yrs without losing guys to free agency. Those teams wouldn't be able to stay together in this salary cap age. Thats why what Brady and Hoodie did was so incredible.
 

mws

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Salary cap & free agency. Pre 1993 players did not have the freedom of movement they have today. It took Reggie White filing a class action law suit for the players to finally get free agency.

Troy Aikman did not make the list because he only played in 3 SBs even though he was 3-0 in those.
 

vtech9

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Do what you feel floats your boat. Elway was dynamic before he won Superbowls. They didn't lose superbowls because of him, they lost because the teams were avg and his super talent carried them there. All those qbs I mentioned except Brady had exceptional talent. Especially Flacco, Rodgers, and Ben in terms of arm talent. Do what you do, I'm not losing sleep nor varying from my opinion.
I agree with Elway's talent, but to say Denver didn't have exceptional talent around him when he won his superbowls is ridiculous. Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey were both very good WRs. Shannon Sharpe was one of the best TEs in the NFL. Terrell Davis was one of the best RBs in the league. TD had over 1700 yards rushing in the Broncos 1st SB season, and over 2000 yards rushing for the next. As good as Elway was, he needed the running game to get a SB ring.
 

leebigeztx

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I agree with Elway's talent, but to say Denver didn't have exceptional talent around him when he won his superbowls is ridiculous. Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey were both very good WRs. Shannon Sharpe was one of the best TEs in the NFL. Terrell Davis was one of the best RBs in the league. TD had over 1700 yards rushing in the Broncos 1st SB season, and over 2000 yards rushing for the next. As good as Elway was, he needed the running game to get a SB ring.
I see reading comprehension is not your thing. Before he won a superbowl, he was a beast taking those subpar teams to the superbowl. The only reason he's not the goat is because he didn't get a superbowl worthy team until his last 3 yrs. Those early teams making superbowl appearances were not good, but they had Elway. You give Elway the Kelly led Bills and he's winning at least 2 of those superbowls. When shanny put in that system, his teams turned into superbowl worthy teams.
 

vtech9

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I see reading comprehension is not your thing. Before he won a superbowl, he was a beast taking those subpar teams to the superbowl. The only reason he's not the goat is because he didn't get a superbowl worthy team until his last 3 yrs. Those early teams making superbowl appearances were not good, but they had Elway. You give Elway the Kelly led Bills and he's winning at least 2 of those superbowls. When shanny put in that system, his teams turned into superbowl worthy teams.
LMAO...It looks like you can't even comprehend what you are saying, much less anyone else. So now you are saying it was Shanahan's system that allowed them to win the Super Bowl, because the rest of the team was subpar. Gotcha. You win. Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl, because he had subpar players, and needed Shanahan to install his system. I guess Brady is super happy that he's always had the best talent around him.
 

leebigeztx

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LMAO...It looks like you can't even comprehend what you are saying, much less anyone else. So now you are saying it was Shanahan's system that allowed them to win the Super Bowl, because the rest of the team was subpar. Gotcha. You win. Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl, because he had subpar players, and needed Shanahan to install his system. I guess Brady is super happy that he's always had the best talent around him.
Again, Elway not winning a superbowl had nothing to do with his greatness prior to Shanny. Winning a superbowl is a team achievement and his teams were nowhere close to being good enough to win prior to Shanny. I mean you would know this if you watched him in the 80s and early 90s. Nobody who watched the pre Shanny coached Broncos were in awe of their talent level. It was like , keep the game close and #7 will win it. If and when he was off, they got their heads smashed in. See the superbowls.
 


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