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Game 7: The Greenbay Packers.....No Joke!

steelbtexan said:
Agreed I don't want guys who can play but won't because it might hurt their career if they play in the playoffs on a knee that needs surgery. Or a guy who only thinks of himself and won't play on a bum ankle.

Fortunately Tunsil doesn't fit these stereotypes. He's proven he will play hurt whether it hurts his career or not. There's a reason his teammates voted him team captain whether some like it or not. Face it he's the best ol on the team by a good margin.
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Really doesn’t take much (to be best offensive lineman on this team) does it?

Moving on. Texans say they fixed OL in one practice today. Believe it, or Not?

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beerlover said:
Really doesn’t take much (to be best offensive lineman on this team) does it?

Moving on. Texans say they fixed OL in one practice today. Believe it, or Not?

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I originally hit the LOL emoji because what's wrong with some of the ol cant be fixed in a yr much less in one practice. I could be wrong though, because they did fix the false start issues.
 
beerlover said:
Really doesn’t take much (to be best offensive lineman on this team) does it?

Moving on. Texans say they fixed OL in one practice today. Believe it, or Not?

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Moving on too quickly has been known to encourage complacency .... not that it could happen here ! :mcclain:
 
Porky said:
As the tone setter and leader…yes he is the biggest problem on the line and it’s not close. He’s the mouse that’s eating all the cheese, but when the cat finds the mouse den, he is off hiding in the corner all fat and happy and leaving the other mice to fight the cat.

Just imagine if OB had made the smart move and traded for Trent Williams instead of Tunsil. Williams is a junkyard dog. Tunsil is a French poodle with bows in her hair.

Yes…Tunsil is by far the biggest issue and it’s schocking that more people poeple don’t understand the attitude of a line set by the leader is of utmost importance
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I love Trent Williams but unfortunately if Trent is your barometer then you basically hate every tackle in the league who isn't Trent and nothing will satisfy you. He's 1 of 1.

It's also based on YOUR perception of Tunsil with VERY limited ability of knowing what's going on behind closed doors. All you have is the very few and inbetween interviews of Tunsil to base your entire perception of him.

My point is what we have is A LOT of game film to go from and from that film I think Tunsil is still very good and again to my earliest point the least of the concerns. Also to be blunt this whole junkyard dog thing is precisely how you end up running your team like OB did. Throwing away perfectly good players in order to fill the team with guys who fit an incredibly loose definition that's totally imprecise.

Also looking around the league Tunsil isn't even overpaid.
 
Sweech said:
I love Trent Williams but unfortunately if Trent is your barometer then you basically hate every tackle in the league who isn't Trent and nothing will satisfy you. He's 1 of 1.

It's also based on YOUR perception of Tunsil with VERY limited ability of knowing what's going on behind closed doors. All you have is the very few and inbetween interviews of Tunsil to base your entire perception of him.

My point is what we have is A LOT of game film to go from and from that film I think Tunsil is still very good and again to my earliest point the least of the concerns. Also to be blunt this whole junkyard dog thing is precisely how you end up running your team like OB did. Throwing away perfectly good players in order to fill the team with guys who fit an incredibly loose definition that's totally imprecise.

Also looking around the league Tunsil isn't even overpaid.
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Yep, Porky doesn't like him because there's a picture of him smoking pot as a kid
 
Sweech said:
I love Trent Williams but unfortunately if Trent is your barometer then you basically hate every tackle in the league who isn't Trent and nothing will satisfy you. He's 1 of 1.

It's also based on YOUR perception of Tunsil with VERY limited ability of knowing what's going on behind closed doors. All you have is the very few and inbetween interviews of Tunsil to base your entire perception of him.

My point is what we have is A LOT of game film to go from and from that film I think Tunsil is still very good and again to my earliest point the least of the concerns. Also to be blunt this whole junkyard dog thing is precisely how you end up running your team like OB did. Throwing away perfectly good players in order to fill the team with guys who fit an incredibly loose definition that's totally imprecise.

Also looking around the league Tunsil isn't even overpaid.
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From the day OB foolishly gave up what he did in trading for Tunsil….I’ve asked, if Tunsil was one of the top LT’s in the game why did the Dolphins trade him away? They did get a haul for him but the Texans would never, and I mean never, get that type of return if they were to try and trade him now.

Tunsil is a blind side protector….through the arc. After the arc is reached, he’s never in a position to help when his responsibility disengages and returns to the play. He’s also a liability in the running game and the only thing the coaches can say, he’s blindside protector and that’s pretty much it.

For me, that means he’s an overpaid one-trick pony who has evolved into a player that thinks practices aren’t for him anymore. I’d like to use that money on a new LT and to fill another position or two.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
From the day OB foolishly gave up what he did in trading for Tunsil….I’ve asked, if Tunsil was one of the top LT’s in the game why did the Dolphins trade him away? They did get a haul for him but the Texans would never, and I mean never, get that type of return if they were to try and trade him now.

Tunsil is a blind side protector….through the arc. After the arc is reached, he’s never in a position to help when his responsibility disengages and returns to the play. He’s also a liability in the running game and the only thing the coaches can say, he’s blindside protector and that’s pretty much it.

For me, that means he’s an overpaid one-trick pony who has evolved into a player that thinks practices aren’t for him anymore. I’d like to use that money on a new LT and to fill another position or two.
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Laremy Tunsil was not one of the best left tackles when he was traded to Houston and the Texans bought him for his potential. Whether he achieved that is debatable. However at least until this season, most reputable sources say he is one of the best. He is not my type of left tackle but his main job is to keep quarterback on his feet. For the most part, he has done exactly that.

This new left tackle that you mentioned, who is it and how do we get him?

A former boss of mine told his employees:
Most can identify a problem but few can bring a solution.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
From the day OB foolishly gave up what he did in trading for Tunsil….I’ve asked, if Tunsil was one of the top LT’s in the game why did the Dolphins trade him away? They did get a haul for him but the Texans would never, and I mean never, get that type of return if they were to try and trade him now.

Tunsil is a blind side protector….through the arc. After the arc is reached, he’s never in a position to help when his responsibility disengages and returns to the play. He’s also a liability in the running game and the only thing the coaches can say, he’s blindside protector and that’s pretty much it.

For me, that means he’s an overpaid one-trick pony who has evolved into a player that thinks practices aren’t for him anymore. I’d like to use that money on a new LT and to fill another position or two.
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If Tunsil is so bad, why do the NFL players keep voting him in the top 100 over almost all other left tackles?
 
Tunsil is half a tackle, and that’s being generous. He is an overpaid soft as marshmallow prima donna that would rather worry about posing on instagram. Wanna correct the line? Put Laremy in a giant slingshot aimed north, and see if he lands in Jerrah world. This line will never be a great one with LT at LT! Move him Nick! I hear Siberia has a great team!
 
OptimisticTexan said:
From the day OB foolishly gave up what he did in trading for Tunsil….I’ve asked, if Tunsil was one of the top LT’s in the game why did the Dolphins trade him away? They did get a haul for him but the Texans would never, and I mean never, get that type of return if they were to try and trade him now.

Tunsil is a blind side protector….through the arc. After the arc is reached, he’s never in a position to help when his responsibility disengages and returns to the play. He’s also a liability in the running game and the only thing the coaches can say, he’s blindside protector and that’s pretty much it.

For me, that means he’s an overpaid one-trick pony who has evolved into a player that thinks practices aren’t for him anymore. I’d like to use that money on a new LT and to fill another position or two.
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He's not a liability in the run game though he's just not an elite run blocker. He's still pretty decent in the run game.
 
steelbtexan said:
I will give you what I would do and what I think they will do with no trades.

Tunsil/Kendrick Green/Patterson/Mason/Fisher, these guys proved they could pickup stunts, make OL calls last yr. (Minus Fisher)
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I think we were still complaining about the OL last season at this time. Stroud was making them look better than what they were, especially after 7 weeks.
 
Porky said:
Reputation. How many NFL players watch film?
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So if Tunsil has a reputation as a good player, how did he get it? Good enough to be in the top 100? According to you and OT he's trash and always has been
 
I know the line has been drawn in the sand regarding Tunsil…..if Caserio were to put a healthy Tunsil on the market before the deadline, would he get a return that matches what was given to the Dolphins or does he get a better haul?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I know the line has been drawn in the sand regarding Tunsil…..if Caserio were to put a healthy Tunsil on the market before the deadline, would he get a return that matches what was given to the Dolphins or does he get a better haul?
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Is there another OB out there? The Vikings or another team that has lost their LT might pony up even though Tunsil is on a rookie deal no longer
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I know the line has been drawn in the sand regarding Tunsil…..if Caserio were to put a healthy Tunsil on the market before the deadline, would he get a return that matches what was given to the Dolphins or does he get a better haul?
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A trade = to what was given Miami doesn't have to be achieved to be a good trade. My question to everyone wanting to trade Tunsil or any other player is simply, who do you get to replace him?
 
JB said:
Yep, and it might make you re-think yours unless you think you know more than hundreds of NFL players
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I actually like my opinion just fine. I’ve never seen Tunsil as a complete LT. He’s just far too soft for liking.
 
badboy said:
A trade = to what was given Miami doesn't have to be achieved to be a good trade. My question to everyone wanting to trade Tunsil or any other player is simply, who do you get to replace him?
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The Texans are dealing with two under performing OT’s. Both tackles are on contracts that are not good for the team. Fisher was drafted and looks to be a player that could develop much quicker if he were getting starting reps. So by default, Tunsil would be safe for the rest of the season and Howard would be demoted to Swing Tackle.

Also, I don’t think the Texans would get a package of picks to make it worth trading him now. I’d revisit moving him in the off-season if it had an early RD1 involved.
 
JB said:
You don't think they watch other games? You gotta be kidding me
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Talking about watching film, not just watching other games broadcast. Which they also don't have a whole lot of time for. If you have a Sunday game, maybe they watch the Monday night. But they're not breaking down the film. Plus, there's literally no time for them to watch sh!t during the week. Meetings, practices, rehab, gym time, etc, etc, etc.... Need to have their head tuned into their own game that week.
 
paycheck71 said:
Talking about watching film, not just watching other games broadcast. Which they also don't have a whole lot of time for. If you have a Sunday game, maybe they watch the Monday night. But they're not breaking down the film. Plus, there's literally no time for them to watch sh!t during the week. Meetings, practices, rehab, gym time, etc, etc, etc.... Need to have their head tuned into their own game that week.
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What do you think they do in the offseason? And no, they may not watch coaches film, but that doesn't make their opinion any less valid
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The Texans are dealing with two under performing OT’s. Both tackles are on contracts that are not good for the team. Fisher was drafted and looks to be a player that could develop much quicker if he were getting starting reps. So by default, Tunsil would be safe for the rest of the season and Howard would be demoted to Swing Tackle.

Also, I don’t think the Texans would get a package of picks to make it worth trading him now. I’d revisit moving him in the off-season if it had an early RD1 involved.
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If we were vehemently complaining about the interior OL I could understand this OT drama. "underperforming OT's"

But the way it is, if we're (you) aren't on the interior OL, you're not going to be taken seriously.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we were vehemently complaining about the interior OL I could understand this OT drama. "underperforming OT's"

But the way it is, if we're (you) aren't on the interior OL, you're not going to be taken seriously.
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I see it as how the veterans (Tunsil, Howard, and Mason) are leading the OL….they’re all under performing the contracts they were given. Green has become a bust and an outcast with his OL teammates. **Did anyone else notice during the game when the left side and Green’s guy got to CJ, it either Green or Tunsil that held out their hand to help him up and he ignored the gesture and got up on his own…I believe that finally set the tone for how CJ felt.**

Yes, I’m hard on Tunsil and Howard b/c I expect them to set the tone for the rest of the OL. This is especially so with Tunsil who doesn’t attend camp b/c he’s the queen bee and performs like it as well. This OL needs an attitude adjustment.

I mentioned in another post….next season, I’d go strong for C- Ryan Kelly (UFA-25) to finally bolster the OL with a Pro Bowler. Bookend Kelly with Scruggs at LG and Patterson at RG. Tunsil’s contract keeps him in Houston and at LT. Fisher replaces Howard at RT. This shakes up the IOL and one of the tackle positions.

I’d still draft Tunsil’s future replacement in Texas A&M’s LT- Trey Zuhn III in RD3 or RD4 and let him develop through the end of Tunsil’s contract in 2027. Depending on Zuhn’s development, I’d probably trade Tunsil after the 2025 season versus not signing him and getting nothing in return.

As for the rest of this season…..when Patterson is ready to go, he goes to Center. Move Scruggs to LG and insert Broeker at RG if he’s ready to go. I believe Patterson has the better football IQ to call out blocking assignments. Scruggs is the better athlete and probably covers more ground at LG. Broeker and Fisher on the right side brings a nastier demeanor in the run game and should be an upgrade in pass pro.

As for Green, I just don’t think he ever prepared himself -mentally- for the jump in talent. I feel like he’s been used to being big man on campus and was never on the other end of an arse-whooping like he got in the NFL. It never looked like he worked on gaining NFL strength (I don’t think he could do more than 20 bench press reps….the amount he did at the Combine) or imposing his will on defensive players in practice or games. So he should be released unless a team wants to throw a RD7 pick at Caserio.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I see it as how the veterans (Tunsil, Howard, and Mason) are leading the OL….they’re all under performing the contracts they were given.
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Has next to nothing to do with how much they're getting paid unless they are woefully underperforming their contract. Tunsil and Howard aren't really close to that despite how bad some here think they are.

OptimisticTexan said:
Yes, I’m hard on Tunsil and Howard b/c I expect them to set the tone for the rest of the OL. This is especially so with Tunsil who doesn’t attend camp b/c he’s the queen bee and performs like it as well. This OL needs an attitude adjustment.
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Again, has next to nothing to do with anything. "Tone setting" is set by multiple people involved with this team & the main person who sets that isn't any 1 linemen, its usually the HC/OC in the offensive philosophy they choose to adopt. Everyone here loved the return of the Shanahan version of the WCO offense...well, that offensive philosophy isn't smash mouth, run it down your throat. Alot of it is deception & misdirection & requires lighter & more nimble O-linemen, not hogs that relentlessly just lean on you.

OptimisticTexan said:
I mentioned in another post….next season, I’d go strong for C- Ryan Kelly (UFA-25) to finally bolster the OL with a Pro Bowler. Bookend Kelly with Scruggs at LG and Patterson at RG. Tunsil’s contract keeps him in Houston and at LT. Fisher replaces Howard at RT. This shakes up the IOL and one of the tackle positions.
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This guy isn't much of an upgrade if any at all from Scruggs; he certainly didn't impress me yesterday. This is him coming off a terrible year in 2023 as well. Yes, he'll be a FA after this year...but that means he'll likely be commanding money that he's probably not worth at this point in his career being 31 yo. Now B/c Fisher is already here and has already gotten some quality reps @ RT, i'd be very much ok with him taking over at RT for Howard b/c that's where he finished up at ND, but not for Tunsil at LT. Tunsil's replacement can be drafted next year and be in a similar role as Fisher is this year.

OptimisticTexan said:
I’d still draft Tunsil’s future replacement in Texas A&M’s LT- Trey Zuhn III in RD3 or RD4 and let him develop through the end of Tunsil’s contract in 2027. Depending on Zuhn’s development, I’d probably trade Tunsil after the 2025 season versus not signing him and getting nothing in return.
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After Joekel, Ifedi and Obueghi & now probably Green, I'm staying away from Texas A&M lineman for the time being.

OptimisticTexan said:
As for the rest of this season…..when Patterson is ready to go, he goes to Center. Move Scruggs to LG and insert Broeker at RG if he’s ready to go. I believe Patterson has the better football IQ to call out blocking assignments. Scruggs is the better athlete and probably covers more ground at LG. Broeker and Fisher on the right side brings a nastier demeanor in the run game and should be an upgrade in pass pro.
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As i said in the game thread, i don't need to see Green anymore, he's just not it. Heard Lance Z on the radio this morning talking about he's lost confidence... Its more than a confidence thing. He doesn't have the feet, strength nor the agility in pass pro to deal with the stunts teams keep running on him. yeah Scruggs is having a little bit of trouble with them too, but i think his issues are being exacerbated by Green just getting manhandled next to him. Its 1 thing to get beat here and there, its an entirely different thing to be getting beat so badly and so routinely that you're killing whole drives.
If Patterson is healthy, he goes at LG. I'd even entertain moving Scruggs to LG and Patterson at Center, Green just doesn't need to see the field anymore imo.
 
Mr teX said:
Has next to nothing to do with how much they're getting paid unless they are woefully underperforming their contract. Tunsil and Howard aren't really close to that despite how bad some here think they are.


Again, has next to nothing to do with anything. "Tone setting" is set by multiple people involved with this team & the main person who sets that isn't any 1 linemen, its usually the HC/OC in the offensive philosophy they choose to adopt. Everyone here loved the return of the Shanahan version of the WCO offense...well, that offensive philosophy isn't smash mouth, run it down your throat. Alot of it is deception & misdirection & requires lighter & more nimble O-linemen, not hogs that relentlessly just lean on you.



This guy isn't much of an upgrade if any at all from Scruggs; he certainly didn't impress me yesterday. This is him coming off a terrible year in 2023 as well. Yes, he'll be a FA after this year...but that means he'll likely be commanding money that he's probably not worth at this point in his career being 31 yo. Now B/c Fisher is already here and has already gotten some quality reps @ RT, i'd be very much ok with him taking over at RT for Howard b/c that's where he finished up at ND, but not for Tunsil at LT. Tunsil's replacement can be drafted next year and be in a similar role as Fisher is this year.


After Joekel, Ifedi and Obueghi & now probably Green, I'm staying away from Texas A&M lineman for the time being.


As i said in the game thread, i don't need to see Green anymore, he's just not it. Heard Lance Z on the radio this morning talking about he's lost confidence... Its more than a confidence thing. He doesn't have the feet, strength nor the agility in pass pro to deal with the stunts teams keep running on him. yeah Scruggs is having a little bit of trouble with them too, but i think his issues are being exacerbated by Green just getting manhandled next to him. Its 1 thing to get beat here and there, its an entirely different thing to be getting beat so badly and so routinely that you're killing whole drives.
If Patterson is healthy, he goes at LG. I'd even entertain moving Scruggs to LG and Patterson at Center, Green just doesn't need to see the field anymore imo.
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This is a great post.

Did everybody notice how much better the OL looked with Patterson at LG?
 
I posted it during the game. It was the 1 and only complete drive we had the entire game. Having said that tho, It was just 1 drive but still, very promising. I don't even think CJ had to scramble 1 time.

After getting chewed out on the sideline by the QB coach...... & after seeing the team go down the field and score a TD after i was benched.... I'd have to look myself in the mirror if i were Green.
 
Mr teX said:
Has next to nothing to do with how much they're getting paid unless they are woefully underperforming their contract. Tunsil and Howard aren't really close to that despite how bad some here think they are.


Again, has next to nothing to do with anything. "Tone setting" is set by multiple people involved with this team & the main person who sets that isn't any 1 linemen, its usually the HC/OC in the offensive philosophy they choose to adopt. Everyone here loved the return of the Shanahan version of the WCO offense...well, that offensive philosophy isn't smash mouth, run it down your throat. Alot of it is deception & misdirection & requires lighter & more nimble O-linemen, not hogs that relentlessly just lean on you.



This guy isn't much of an upgrade if any at all from Scruggs; he certainly didn't impress me yesterday. This is him coming off a terrible year in 2023 as well. Yes, he'll be a FA after this year...but that means he'll likely be commanding money that he's probably not worth at this point in his career being 31 yo. Now B/c Fisher is already here and has already gotten some quality reps @ RT, i'd be very much ok with him taking over at RT for Howard b/c that's where he finished up at ND, but not for Tunsil at LT. Tunsil's replacement can be drafted next year and be in a similar role as Fisher is this year.


After Joekel, Ifedi and Obueghi & now probably Green, I'm staying away from Texas A&M lineman for the time being.


As i said in the game thread, i don't need to see Green anymore, he's just not it. Heard Lance Z on the radio this morning talking about he's lost confidence... Its more than a confidence thing. He doesn't have the feet, strength nor the agility in pass pro to deal with the stunts teams keep running on him. yeah Scruggs is having a little bit of trouble with them too, but i think his issues are being exacerbated by Green just getting manhandled next to him. Its 1 thing to get beat here and there, its an entirely different thing to be getting beat so badly and so routinely that you're killing whole drives.
If Patterson is healthy, he goes at LG. I'd even entertain moving Scruggs to LG and Patterson at Center, Green just doesn't need to see the field anymore imo.
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Kelly is currently the 4th ranked Center in the NFL. He’s been to 4 Pro Bowls and appears to be ready for number 5. He’s a steady veteran who performs his job at a top level. In 2023, he allowed the fewest QB pressures of “all” NFL Centers. Not to mention, he’s only missed 2 games due to concussion and 2 due to C-19 over his 8 year career. This is as about as good a target the Texans could pursue without having to give up anything but a contract. So I’m sticking with my assessment, I’d be signing Kelly if possible to finally add another veteran that can perform at a Pro Bowl level. This move would also allow the Texans to better utilize the talent on the OL.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Kelly is currently the 4th ranked Center in the NFL. He’s been to 4 Pro Bowls and appears to be ready for number 5. He’s a steady veteran who performs his job at a top level. In 2023, he allowed the fewest QB pressures of “all” NFL Centers. Not to mention, he’s only missed 2 games due to concussion and 2 due to C-19 over his 8 year career. This is as about as good a target the Texans could pursue without having to give up anything but a contract. So I’m sticking with my assessment, I’d be signing Kelly if possible to finally add another veteran that can perform at a Pro Bowl level. This move would also allow the Texans to better utilize the talent on the OL.
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The Colts brass don’t even want to resign him..that should tell you all you need to know. His Best days which you cited, are likely behind him.

Aside from that, we already have too much money tied up in the o-line. But we’ll likely be in prime position draft wise to take one of if not the best available center in the upcoming draft in the late 1st round. I’d rather go young and save that cap space considering CJ’s contract is only a few years away.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I see it as how the veterans (Tunsil, Howard, and Mason) are leading the OL….they’re all under performing the contracts they were given. Green has become a bust and an outcast with his OL teammates. **Did anyone else notice during the game when the left side and Green’s guy got to CJ, it either Green or Tunsil that held out their hand to help him up and he ignored the gesture and got up on his own…I believe that finally set the tone for how CJ felt.**

Yes, I’m hard on Tunsil and Howard b/c I expect them to set the tone for the rest of the OL. This is especially so with Tunsil who doesn’t attend camp b/c he’s the queen bee and performs like it as well. This OL needs an attitude adjustment.

I mentioned in another post….next season, I’d go strong for C- Ryan Kelly (UFA-25) to finally bolster the OL with a Pro Bowler. Bookend Kelly with Scruggs at LG and Patterson at RG. Tunsil’s contract keeps him in Houston and at LT. Fisher replaces Howard at RT. This shakes up the IOL and one of the tackle positions.

I’d still draft Tunsil’s future replacement in Texas A&M’s LT- Trey Zuhn III in RD3 or RD4 and let him develop through the end of Tunsil’s contract in 2027. Depending on Zuhn’s development, I’d probably trade Tunsil after the 2025 season versus not signing him and getting nothing in return.

As for the rest of this season…..when Patterson is ready to go, he goes to Center. Move Scruggs to LG and insert Broeker at RG if he’s ready to go. I believe Patterson has the better football IQ to call out blocking assignments. Scruggs is the better athlete and probably covers more ground at LG. Broeker and Fisher on the right side brings a nastier demeanor in the run game and should be an upgrade in pass pro.

As for Green, I just don’t think he ever prepared himself -mentally- for the jump in talent. I feel like he’s been used to being big man on campus and was never on the other end of an arse-whooping like he got in the NFL. It never looked like he worked on gaining NFL strength (I don’t think he could do more than 20 bench press reps….the amount he did at the Combine) or imposing his will on defensive players in practice or games. So he should be released unless a team wants to throw a RD7 pick at Caserio.
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I approve this post 👍

Different mind-sets. Big nasties not pansies. Bottom line, pedigree, high draft stock, above market capital don’t mean sheet only the tape on field matters. Patterson was what a 6th round after thought and if not from breaking his fibia and concussion would be the starting LG. Wish Texans had same pedigree on coaching staff OL as DL. Why is one seemingly functional yet the other dysfunctional?
 
Mr teX said:
The Colts brass don’t even want to resign him..that should tell you all you need to know. His Best days which you cited, are likely behind him.

Aside from that, we already have too much money tied up in the o-line. But we’ll likely be in prime position draft wise to take one of if not the best available center in the upcoming draft in the late 1st round. I’d rather go young and save that cap space considering CJ’s contract is only a few years away.
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A rookie center may not be an instant answer, but I think the Texans have a center on the roster and it’s Patterson provided he can stay healthy.

Texans are going to risk it big if they stand pat with the current starters on the OL. The Texans don’t need to burn through another QB b/c they can’t figure out how to address their OL issues. Looking at body language…..my guess, CJ is getting ducking tired of it as well.

Get rid of Green and Howard first, then find a way to start adding replacement pieces. I’d draft an OT in 2025 and target a true Center in 2026…..provided I have Kelly to be the mentor for a season. If the Colts aren’t planning to re-sign him that’s their prerogative, but they have a slew of UFA and about +-53M in cap space. One thing is for certain, he had his best season in 2023 at the age of 30….not bad considering he was in the top 7 as a run blocker and the #1 pass blocking Center in the NFL.

Getting a #1 pass blocking Center in 2025 for this OL could do a lot for this offense and CJ in general. I also think putting Scruggs and Patterson at the Guard positions would solidify the IOL with a veteran like Kelly calling out the blocking schemes. Toss in Pro Bowl LT Tunsil and Fisher at RT and it would finally look like the Texans could have a statement making OL.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
A rookie center may not be an instant answer, but I think the Texans have a center on the roster and it’s Patterson provided he can stay healthy.

Texans are going to risk it big if they stand pat with the current starters on the OL. The Texans don’t need to burn through another QB b/c they can’t figure out how to address their OL issues. Looking at body language…..my guess, CJ is getting ducking tired of it as well.

Get rid of Green and Howard first, then find a way to start adding replacement pieces. I’d draft an OT in 2025 and target a true Center in 2026…..provided I have Kelly to be the mentor for a season. If the Colts aren’t planning to re-sign him that’s their prerogative, but they have a slew of UFA and about +-53M in cap space. One thing is for certain, he had his best season in 2023 at the age of 30….not bad considering he was in the top 7 as a run blocker and the #1 pass blocking Center in the NFL.

Getting a #1 pass blocking Center in 2025 for this OL could do a lot for this offense and CJ in general. I also think putting Scruggs and Patterson at the Guard positions would solidify the IOL with a veteran like Kelly calling out the blocking schemes. Toss in Pro Bowl LT Tunsil and Fisher at RT and it would finally look like the Texans could have a statement making OL.
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You won’t be able to get Kelly for 1 year. Ballard is a guy whose philosophy is steeped in investing heavily in the big uglies up front & they like us have invested a ton of money in the o-line. Aside from that the thoughts over there that I’ve read are that they may already have their center of the future on the roster. So If the Colts choose not to give him a new deal next year, he’ll almost certainly command a min 3 year deal for much more money out on the FA market that we won’t/shouldn’t pay given what we have coming with CJ. We need to be getting cheaper there, not spending more money.

So although the board is not pleased with their play, You’ve got Tunsil and Howard already locked up and they’re not exactly playing horrible; IOW's the tackle positions aren't as pressing of a need as the Center/Guard positions. 1 of those guys (likely Howard) already has his replacement on the roster learning. So ok, you can drop 1 of the tackles but that's only b/c you have his replacement already on roster…

You have options at guard that you don't really have at center. Green's replacement could also already be on the roster if you move Scruggs over. He's not only gotten significant snaps, he's also cheap.

Meanwhile at center, you don't really have a serious viable replacement on the roster if you move Scruggs over to guard.. Yeah Patterson could possibly be a guy, but he's a 6th rounder whose had issues staying healthy thus far. He also got beat out by Juice in 2023 & this year. So that doesn't really bode well for him as a serious candidate. If you give him a shot at a starting slot somewhere along the line for next year, He's got to show something this year at guard & at a minimum, he'll need competition coming into camp next year..my preference would be against an early round prospect at center from the 2025 draft as opposed to an aging & expensive vet in Kelly. If he shows he can handle himself at the guard position this year, then that opens him up to possibly replace Mason on the other side next year as well as the starting center position. So you go into 2025 with Tunsil ...Scruggs...high draft rookie center......Patterson......Fischer.

Just my thoughts without checking anything.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
A rookie center may not be an instant answer, but I think the Texans have a center on the roster and it’s Patterson provided he can stay healthy.

Texans are going to risk it big if they stand pat with the current starters on the OL. The Texans don’t need to burn through another QB b/c they can’t figure out how to address their OL issues. Looking at body language…..my guess, CJ is getting ducking tired of it as well.

Get rid of Green and Howard first, then find a way to start adding replacement pieces. I’d draft an OT in 2025 and target a true Center in 2026…..provided I have Kelly to be the mentor for a season. If the Colts aren’t planning to re-sign him that’s their prerogative, but they have a slew of UFA and about +-53M in cap space. One thing is for certain, he had his best season in 2023 at the age of 30….not bad considering he was in the top 7 as a run blocker and the #1 pass blocking Center in the NFL.

Getting a #1 pass blocking Center in 2025 for this OL could do a lot for this offense and CJ in general. I also think putting Scruggs and Patterson at the Guard positions would solidify the IOL with a veteran like Kelly calling out the blocking schemes. Toss in Pro Bowl LT Tunsil and Fisher at RT and it would finally look like the Texans could have a statement making OL.
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I kinda like this.

What do they do for this yr?

BTW, I would put Patterson at Center.
 
Mr teX said:
You won’t be able to get Kelly for 1 year. Ballard is a guy whose philosophy is steeped in investing heavily in the big uglies up front & they like us have invested a ton of money in the o-line. Aside from that the thoughts over there that I’ve read are that they may already have their center of the future on the roster. So If the Colts choose not to give him a new deal next year, he’ll almost certainly command a min 3 year deal for much more money out on the FA market that we won’t/shouldn’t pay given what we have coming with CJ. We need to be getting cheaper there, not spending more money.

So although the board is not pleased with their play, You’ve got Tunsil and Howard already locked up and they’re not exactly playing horrible; IOW's the tackle positions aren't as pressing of a need as the Center/Guard positions. 1 of those guys (likely Howard) already has his replacement on the roster learning. So ok, you can drop 1 of the tackles but that's only b/c you have his replacement already on roster…

You have options at guard that you don't really have at center. Green's replacement could also already be on the roster if you move Scruggs over. He's not only gotten significant snaps, he's also cheap.

Meanwhile at center, you don't really have a serious viable replacement on the roster if you move Scruggs over to guard.. Yeah Patterson could possibly be a guy, but he's a 6th rounder whose had issues staying healthy thus far. He also got beat out by Juice in 2023 & this year. So that doesn't really bode well for him as a serious candidate. If you give him a shot at a starting slot somewhere along the line for next year, He's got to show something this year at guard & at a minimum, he'll need competition coming into camp next year..my preference would be against an early round prospect at center from the 2025 draft as opposed to an aging & expensive vet in Kelly. If he shows he can handle himself at the guard position this year, then that opens him up to possibly replace Mason on the other side next year as well as the starting center position. So you go into 2025 with Tunsil ...Scruggs...high draft rookie center......Patterson......Fischer.

Just my thoughts without checking anything.
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Texans need a QB on the OL. I never mentioned having Kelly for a season. I’d like to have his services for a minimum of 3 years for the same reason Tunsil would essentially remain for a couple of more seasons. Draft a OT in 2025 and a C in 2026 so both can be mentored up to be eventual replacements. If the drafted replacements exceed expectations sooner than expected, Tunsil and Kelly would be fine assets to trade before their contracts are completed.

I’d like to see Caserio check Howard’s market this upcoming off-season.

As for Kenyon Green….Caserio is going to have to chalk him up as a bad investment and move on. I don’t think Green is another camp away from becoming the NFL OG he was drafted to be.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I kinda like this.

What do they do for this yr?

BTW, I would put Patterson at Center.
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I believe inserting Patterson at Center for the rest of this season would be the best move if Scruggs is moved over to LG. I believe both players have the talent, but for both….injuries have slowed their development. They need to be put at a position and let them master the position. Unfortunately, I can’t give the same extension to Green. He’s done little to nothing to better himself before his 3rd camp, especially showing up overweight and weak.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I believe inserting Patterson at Center for the rest of this season would be the best move if Scruggs is moved over to LG. I believe both players have the talent, but for both….injuries have slowed their development. They need to be put at a position and let them master the position. Unfortunately, I can’t give the same extension to Green. He’s done little to nothing to better himself before his 3rd camp, especially showing up overweight and weak.
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The problem is Green showed up in the best shape of his life. I expected him to be solid as a rock this year. It looks like he's just not talented enough.
 
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