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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!
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Yeah I understand. Didn't know if you were talking 1.1 picks or just 1st round picks. But still who would you have picked when?
Yes but there was that whole value vs availability thing that has been speculated on
If I had a nickel for every time that's been said here, only to have the same people gripe about the lack of depth a few months later... I'd have a shtton of nickels.
With a 1st round pick? Because that was the question.
Picking JimmyG with a 1st, when he was picked with the last selection of the 2nd round says a lot about you.
I was for picking Clowney and trading back into the bottom of the 1st (Moving up a few spots and picking Jimmy G.) I said this at the time so this isn't cherrypicking.
Just because he lasted until the bottom of the 2nd doesn't mean it would've been a bad pick. Yes, it does say alot about me, go look up Jimmy G's record as a starter and get back to me.
The Texans missing on Garoppolo is simply bad luck and another reason for us to hate the Patriots. Not one of the teams picking immediately ahead of the Texans' pick had a need for a QB. The Patriots still had Mallet who they spent a 3rd rounder on as their young QB. No one expected the Patriots to take Garoppolo. Sometimes, things just doesn't fall your way. It's not because of a lack of effort or incompetence.
BTW, Garoppolo has flashed potential, but I don't think any team offered a first rounder for him or thought enough of him to draft him in the first.
Understood. I just think it's funny "Mr I know better than Rick Smith" even in hindsight would have traded back into the 1st to get Garropolo even though he was there for the taking with the 33rd pick.
What would that be?
An idiot would know better than Rick Smith
And I said what I would have done at the time. So it's not revisionist history. BTW, I would've rather traded back into the 1st for Jimmy G than lost him like Ricky did.
BTW, I also advocated for picking Brooks in the 2nd and picked him for the Cowgirls in the 2nd in the TT mom draft.
The draft ain't brain surgery surgery like some of y'all make it out to be.
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Further demonstrating a poor understanding of the draft. He was on the board for the entire 2nd round. No one else believed he was worth a 2nd round pick compared to the talent that was available. Much less a 1st.
Oh I fully understand how the draft works, you should make a trip over to my crawfish boil and lets talk about the 1st 2 days of the draft on April 29th and eat some crawfish. Bring a couple of your family/friends if you want too. There will be between 50/75 people at it and we will have a good time.
The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is, I wanted Jimmy G on the Texans and rightfully had him rated as a 1st rd pick. I dont care where he was picked. I wanted him to be the Texans QB and would've traded GM's thought of Jimmy G.
What you're doing is looking back in hindsight and saying, well 31 other GM's didn't agree with what you thought at that time. I'm telling you I dont care what 31 other GM's thought and said so at the time.
My question for you is, why didn't we have this discussion in the pre-draft run up to the the Texans and their new regime at that time instead of what we are doing now.
What I have is called conviction when it comes to my mocks, something you obviously cant understand. Why do I have these convictions, I put in the time studying the guys in my mocks.
#1. Open to the public?
#2. Yeah, a few of us did
#3. you did
#4. I think you did... a few times
#5. Awesome!
If I can my car fixed by then
I think we did. I think I might have gone so far as to say he'd be there in the 4th... But that might have been emotion speaking at the time. Honestly thinking he would be taken in the 2nd. But when he got past 28, there was no doubt in my mind he was going to be a Texan.
However, the trade talks with the Patriots were going on during that draft & to me, it appeared they finally got the message we weren't (I mean Ricky wasn't) going to give them a 4th or earlier pick for Mallett & out of spite they took Garoppolo.
Then when they extended Brady & drafted Brissett further signaled Garoppolo was not part of their plans.
For some reason you read that & believe it to degrade JimmyG. Which it is not meant to be. I've never mentioned my opinion of the man as a player.
I don't think you were trying to denegrate Jimmy G.
I just placed a higher value on him than the GM'S or you placed on him.
I remember good healthy dialogue on the MB about Jimmy G.
From my perspective it's not the value... But reading team needs vs available talent. Didn't make sense for anyone to take him ahead of Bridgewater. After that, knowing most teams weren't going to spend a 2nd on a QB, other than us meaning we could NAB whatever QB we wanted in the 3rd. Top of the third, first pick in the 3rd.
I liked Jimmy G more than Teddy.
You don't ever really know what most teams are going to do. So if a guy that you really covet is within reach you grab him.
And in a results driven business your call will be graded on the outcome. In the case of trying to nab Jimmy it would be considered a success.
I mean, as long as the discussion is about understanding how the draft works and all.
One bad defensive game is enough to fire Crennel, while one good offensive game is enough to keep OBrien 5 years
amazing80
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Agreed. OB is such a *****. This team is so scared to unleash Watson, but when they do he dominates.
Mr teX
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Lol you’re delusional if you think this is the only bad game Crennel and the defense has had. The splits have been done..Crennel’s defense against halfway competent qb play is giving up close to 30 pts and 400-500 yds passing.
It’s just simply not as good as your precious DVOA ranking says it is.
amazing80
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Fire them both.
stingray
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One game? You are funny. The Texans are ranked 26th against the pass. They have been horrible against the pass.
Texas Jake
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The problem is we have been thin at CB all year. We haven't had a good answer for the third CB and have had problems even keeping two good ones on the field at times due to injury.
banned1976
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Watson overcomes bad play calls and game management by O’Brien to lead the Texans to a late game lead only to be thwarted by Crennel and his bend, snap and break defense. It’s a trend that needs to end if the Texans are to take the next step. You can take that anyway you want it. Personally I’d like to see a complete turnover of coaching staff except ST’s. But its not going to happen after this season. Regrettably it will take a total season meltdown like 2013.
Had we won I'd have thought this was a good win. We lost... I think this is a good loss. Seriously, I saw more to give me hope in this loss than I've seen in many of our wins. Biggest thing, DeShaun seemed a little perturbed at the end of the game. He's going to figure out how to prevent this from happening again.
What is higher ranked, the defense or the offense?
And top 10 overall still.
Over 5 years this has been a top 10 unit. But people want to fire Crennel and keep O'briens bottom 10 offense.
Very logical
Watson is going to ask Cal for an OC?
Texas Jake
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I think it is more a personnel issue than a coaching on defense.
Mr teX
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Lol..this guy
stingray
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The defense is only ranked in the top 10 because they are extremely good against the run. Being good against the run is awesome but when the playoffs come around, if your secondary can’t stop anyone, you are one and done. Playoffs are won by qbs and if your defense can’t slow down an elite qb, its over
Rich Schmidt
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unless we play Baltimore
stingray
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Thats our only hope to winning a playoff game
I'd take seeing Mahomes over Rivers if I'm honest.
leebigeztx
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Thing is, your career isn't tied to your mock. BB is a pretty good talent evaluator, correct? Tell me why he cant draft a wr to save his life? Tell me why he dumped cyrus Jones, a 2nd rd pick before his rookie deal? It's not as easy as we try to make it. A good friend of mine has been in those draft rooms and you cant even imagine.
leebigeztx
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And what has Jimmy done?
banned1976
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Only if Watson can cover a TE down the seam and a RB out of the flat at the same time can he prevent THIS from happening again.
Honestly, I thought the Texans would lose this game. The frustration comes from the same issues happening over and over again. I think you basically wrote the NFL is using TE’s more effectively which is true. The Texans drafted two, they rarely use them. And they can’t stop the opposing TE’s. I believe Efert caught 11 passes for over a hundred yards and 2 TD’s today, something like that?
On the other side of the ball, someone needs to tell O’Brien that you can use RB’s in different ways. He’s seen his defense get gashed by even fullbacks running free for long passing plays. He’s seen his very own feature running back do that against him when he was playing for the Dolphins! Yet what do we see? Miller up the middle (not today, of course).
When will this coaching staff learn?
Lastly, this wasn’t a good loss. Not only did they lose the game they lost Thomas and maybe KJ. Their receiving core and secondary is decimated.
I didn't mean to imply it was easy.
I just don't like posters that back mgmt decisions regardless if they are bad decisions or not.
Sometimes mgmt makes bad decisions even if they are by omission.
Played very well last year, before getting hurt this year.
Kind of like Watson playing well and then getting hurt. I don't remember seeing this post in regards to Watson this offseason. Maybe i missed one of your posts.
leebigeztx
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My college coach used to say, be a student of the game , not a fan. Some people on this board are just fans. I'm more of a student and based on your post, I think you're in the same category. We may differ and have differed on team construction and who is at fault, but I think most see the flaws of this team. I think alot of fault falls on coaching of this team and based on your post, you blame the gm and acquisition of the players. I believe this team is limited with the exception of a couple of spots. Their explosions is also a question mark. Now who to blame is another story. I try to be as objective as I can be whether its players, coaches, or front office.
leebigeztx
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Jimmy G had 7 td and 5 ints last year. This year he wasn't playing well either. Now we both can agree the Texans should've drafted a qb that year. I've been on board with drafting a qb for a long time now. To your credit, you were all in for Jimmy G. Personally, I wanted Teddy or Derek.
ATXtexanfan
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