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infantrycak said:
At times that's undoubtedly true. On the other hand, those 15 play 12 minute drives gave huge rest breaks to the D and limited comeback time dramatically. Somewhere in between would have been much more satisfying. One more TD before setting the turtle in motion.

I'm still baffled by OB doing jack with 2:47 going into halftime in the last game. He didn't go turtle, he went ostrich.
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This is a fair criticism of BOB and unless he changes this will end up holding the franchise back.
TheKDog said:
So then you are giving credit to Rick Smith for the defense then?

And O'Brien wanted Mallet and Hoyer because they were in New England and familiar with his system. He wasted his first two years here with that Mallet nonsense. Two years of great defense he wasted.

Reminder that he picked Mallet over Fitzpatrick and Keenum (two decent backups) not just on the roster but to start games. He can't evaluate offensive talent.

And it was OBriens call to remake the OL for his system. Why would Rick dismantle his own OL that was top 10?

Rick was always just a guy who got the players the coach wants. Even OBrien said this.


Besides he's gone this year and everything looks exactly the same. How many years of alignment do we need before we can stop blaming Rick for everything?

They've invested plenty on offense:
Fuller first round
Watson first round
Nick Martin second round
Lamar Miller free agency
Fulton free agency
Two more TEs drafted
A bunch of gadget players OBrien loves (Strong, Braxton, Ervin, now Coutee)
XSF

Either OBrien is making bad evaluations or not using some of these guys correctly because the offense is bottom 10 every year. Or maybe his system and playcalling just suck.
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You know this how? Rick went out and got Os on his own. BOB hated Os. How much input do you think BOB had? I think BOB said hey Ricky we need to add speed to the team so Ricky added Miller/Fuller. BOB didn't tell Ricky to add these guys specifically, or atleast that's what BOB has said in the past.

Too answer your question how long do we blame Ricky, 2 yrs because that's going to be how long it takes to clean up Ricky's mess. If Gaine hits a homerun maybe only one offseason. But that's asking alot. Of course after seeing this offseason with Gaine/BOB being aligned and how good of a job the did despite being handicapped by the mess Ricky left (And yes he left a mess he must have been the one making the draft pick/FA cals since he's no longer here and BOB still is here.) it may only take one offseason.
 
infantrycak said:
At times that's undoubtedly true. On the other hand, those 15 play 12 minute drives gave huge rest breaks to the D and limited comeback time dramatically. Somewhere in between would have been much more satisfying. One more TD before setting the turtle in motion.

I'm still baffled by OB doing jack with 2:47 going into halftime in the last game. He didn't go turtle, he went ostrich.
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I'm baffled by that also.
 
steelbtexan said:
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You know this how? Rick went out and got Os on his own. BOB hated Os. How much input do you think BOB had? I think BOB said hey Ricky we need to add speed to the team so Ricky added Miller/Fuller. BOB didn't tell Ricky to add these guys specifically, or atleast that's what BOB has said in the past.

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You know this how?

It was reported that BO'b watched a lot of tape, & told Rick Osweiler was his guy. It wasn't until Osweiler got here that he flipped on Osweiler.

The Texans pounced on Osweiler only after an extensive review of every available quarterback, with O'Brien saying the team "spent a lot of time studying a lot of different guys, college guys, pro guys," but felt like "Brock gave us the best chance to win."
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I know Cecil Shorts said BO'b didn't like Osweiler. I'm not arguing that. Only he had told Rick to get him first, then hated him afterwards.
 
thunderkyss said:
You know this how?

It was reported that BO'b watched a lot of tape, & told Rick Osweiler was his guy. It wasn't until Osweiler got here that he flipped on Osweiler.



I know Cecil Shorts said BO'b didn't like Osweiler. I'm not arguing that. Only he had told Rick to get him first, then hated him afterwards.
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You answered your own question.

What would it take for you to admit Os was a Ricky move?

BOB said he only coaches the players he's given. (Referring to Os) Shorts says BOB didn't want Os as his QB. What else do you want? If McNair said as much (He did by letting Ricky go) would you believe him?

I think you dont even believe some of the sh!t you type and just enjoy being contrarian.
 
steelbtexan said:
BOB said he only coaches the players he's given. (Referring to Os) Shorts says BOB didn't want Os as his QB. What else do you want? If McNair said as much (He did by letting Ricky go) would you believe him?

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I think Cecil shorts is not included in player personnel decisions. I think he may have noticed that BO'b didn't want Oz here after Oz was already here.

When they (according to BO'b himself includes BO'b himself) were preparing for the offseason they
(according to BO'b himself includes BO'b himself) identified Oz as the man to get.

I don't think it took long for BO'b to recognize the mistake they (according to BO'b himself includes BO'b himself) made, which led to his comments about the rules needing to be changed to allow teams to talk to potential FA during the "tampering" period.
 
infantrycak said:
OB said he hates rookie QBs so Rick got the best vet. OB is still part of the equation.
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Did he get the best vet?

All I know is Ricky/Os are both gone and BOB is still here so that should tell y'all all you need to know. But it wont.
 
steelbtexan said:
Did he get the best vet?

All I know is Ricky/Os are both gone and BOB is still here so that should tell y'all all you need to know. But it wont.
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It does.

It doesn't tell us what you think it should, but it does tell us something.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair criticism of BOB and unless he changes this will end up holding the franchise back.


You know this how? Rick went out and got Os on his own. BOB hated Os. How much input do you think BOB had? I think BOB said hey Ricky we need to add speed to the team so Ricky added Miller/Fuller. BOB didn't tell Ricky to add these guys specifically, or atleast that's what BOB has said in the past.

Too answer your question how long do we blame Ricky, 2 yrs because that's going to be how long it takes to clean up Ricky's mess. If Gaine hits a homerun maybe only one offseason. But that's asking alot. Of course after seeing this offseason with Gaine/BOB being aligned and how good of a job the did despite being handicapped by the mess Ricky left (And yes he left a mess he must have been the one making the draft pick/FA cals since he's no longer here and BOB still is here.) it may only take one offseason.
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Did Smith go out and get Mallet on his own? Didn't O'Brien want Mallet, then Mallet did something and O'Brien wanted him gone? What's the difference between O'Brien wanting Mallet and Osweiller off the team?
 
Earl34 said:
Did Smith go out and get Mallet on his own? Didn't O'Brien want Mallet, then Mallet did something and O'Brien wanted him gone? What's the difference between O'Brien wanting Mallet and Osweiller off the team?
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One is gone the other isn't.

That says it all.
 
steelbtexan said:
What does it tell you?

What it should tell you is people who were responsible for last season no longer work for the Texans org.
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Osweiler was responsible for last season?

BO'b decided Tom Savage woul be our starting QB in June, but for the 2nd time in his tenure BO'b benched his starting QB in week 1. His young stud gets IR'd eight weeks later... Ricky's fault.

Jj Watt reinjured, Kevin Johnson injured again, didn't we lose Newton to injury? Brown couldn't get along with owner, Ricky's fault.

Ricky can't identify talent but drafts Hopkins, Fuller, Watt, Clowney, Cushing, Brown... he brought in Foster, Joseph, OL that made the pro bowl... yeah, he had help identifying each & every one of them, but not from his HC... the jock strap washer had more input on player personnel than our HC. According to you.

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Osweiler is not here because BO'b can't communicate with him the way Gase can. Rick Smith is gone because he had more important things to do.

With Watson playing BO'b had enough talent on the field to coach the highest scoring offense in the league. Remove that one player & half the defenses & 20% of the STs outscores his offense.
 
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steelbtexan said:
That's not speculation, that's fact. Ones still here the others not. no speculation in that.

Tell me what's flawed?
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What's flawed is your claim Smith went out and got Osweiler without any input from O'Brien. My counter is that O'Brien wanted Mallet gone too. Did O'Brien not have a say in signing Mallet?
 
thunderkyss said:
Osweiler was responsible for last season?

BO'b decided Tom Savage woul be our starting QB in June, but for the 2nd time in his tenure BO'b benched his starting QB in week 1. His young stud gets IR'd eight weeks later... Ricky's fault.

Jj Watt reinjured, Kevin Johnson injured again, didn't we lose Newton to injury? Brown couldn't get along with owner, Ricky's fault.

Ricky can't identify talent but drafts Hopkins, Fuller, Watt, Clowney, Cushing, Brown... he brought in Foster, Joseph, OL that made the pro bowl... yeah, he had help identifying each & every one of them, but not from his HC... the jock strap washer had more input on player personnel than our HC. According to you.

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Osweiler is not here because BO'b can't communicate with him the way Gase can. Rick Smith is gone because he had more important things to do.

With Watson playing BO'b had enough talent on the field to coach the highest scoring offense in the league. Remove that one player & half the defenses & 20% of the STs outscores his offense.
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I'm watching the Rams game and people forget how fast McVay took Jeff Fisher's roster and made the Rams a respectable team.

It goes to show you how a creative offensive scheme can elevate a team.
 
Earl34 said:
I'm watching the Rams game and people forget how fast McVay took Jeff Fisher's roster and made the Rams a respectable team.

It goes to show you how a creative offensive scheme can elevate a team.
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They must have had a hundred billion dollars to spend in FA & 49 1st round picks.
 
Earl34 said:
What's flawed is your claim Smith went out and got Osweiler without any input from O'Brien. My counter is that O'Brien wanted Mallet gone too. Did O'Brien not have a say in signing Mallet?
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2 totally different situations.

1. McNair told Smith to go out and get a QB. Ricky did as he was told like the good yes man he was. BOB may have had input, but according to Shorts BOB never wanted Os here and Shorts said the entire team knew this in TC.

2. Yes, he wanted Mallett here, after Mallett became a turd (He wasn't a turd in Foxboro) BOB wanted him gone. He would've rather gone without a backup QB than take Mallett with him to Miami.(I like this) Ricky talked BOB into letting Mallett travel.
 
Earl34 said:
Did Smith go out and get Mallet on his own? Didn't O'Brien want Mallet, then Mallet did something and O'Brien wanted him gone? What's the difference between O'Brien wanting Mallet and Osweiller off the team?
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I think Hoyer is the only guy BoB really wanted...Mallet was just a guy that Rick wante him to kick the tires on & BoB reluctantly agreed.....But he likely knew Mallet was a knucklehead & that he didn't want him. If you remember, Mallet was brought in just before the season started & people here wondered why he wasn't brought in sooner since he and BoB had history, he knew BoB's system etc. I have to believe that if BoB really wanted him, He would've been here much sooner & given much more leeway to become the starter.

What it appears is Ricky was trying to build and acquire the personnel for BoB's offense the same way he did with Kubiak...Cheaply and with a bunch of late round draft picks and guys that were back ups on other teams. BoB wasn't trying to have it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Osweiler was responsible for last season?

BO'b decided Tom Savage woul be our starting QB in June, but for the 2nd time in his tenure BO'b benched his starting QB in week 1. His young stud gets IR'd eight weeks later... Ricky's fault.

Jj Watt reinjured, Kevin Johnson injured again, didn't we lose Newton to injury? Brown couldn't get along with owner, Ricky's fault.

Ricky can't identify talent but drafts Hopkins, Fuller, Watt, Clowney, Cushing, Brown... he brought in Foster, Joseph, OL that made the pro bowl... yeah, he had help identifying each & every one of them, but not from his HC... the jock strap washer had more input on player personnel than our HC. According to you.

:ok:

Osweiler is not here because BO'b can't communicate with him the way Gase can. Rick Smith is gone because he had more important things to do.

With Watson playing BO'b had enough talent on the field to coach the highest scoring offense in the league. Remove that one player & half the defenses & 20% of the STs outscores his offense.
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Did you see Os play Thursday? He's still the same guy and yes Ricky's move for Os lead to the next season's 4-12 since they had to trade for Watson and trade to get rid of Os, then on top of that Ricky decided to not participate in FA. This created a lack of depth that killed last season.

Gaine is still trying to rebuild the roster. Good news is he's off to a good start.

We're never going to agree because I dont think you understand the concept of roster building. Which is what championship level orgs do instead of having a few stars and no depth. Example: While Cunningham is a fine player wouldn't you think a LT like Dawkins would look pretty good in a Texans uni? LT> ILB something Ricky never understood nor do you.

I'm moving on because I'm sick of rehashing the past. Lets move on.
 
Earl34 said:
I'm watching the Rams game and people forget how fast McVay took Jeff Fisher's roster and made the Rams a respectable team.

It goes to show you how a creative offensive scheme can elevate a team.
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Agreed, but it also helps to add guys like LT Witworth, C Sullivan WR Woods in FA and add guys like Cooks in trade, plus draft Havenstein/Miller/Blythe to fill out the OL.

That doesn't even take into account moves they made on defense this offseason in trades Peters/Talib and signing Suh in FA.

Have we ever seen the Texans org make these types of moves for these types of players? Nope, but if they want to bring a championship to this city then there going to have too do this. See: Rams/Pats/Saints/Eagles /Vikes etc....

But, hey they might trade for a WR at the trade deadline. Nah, those dont happen.
 
BO'b didn't want Mallett either. He wanted Hoyer. Not Fitz, Hoyer.

When BO'b was in New England he fell in love with Hoyer, not Mallett.

Had BO'b gone straight from New England to another NFL team, it's possible that he & Hoyer could have recreated the offense BO'b assisted Brady with. Possible.

But Hoyer floated around the league for three years without BO'b & was a totally different player/person by the time they were reunited.

I think a lot of our QB woes were due to that. He was butt hurt that Rick Smith identified Mallett as a better prospect than Hoyer, which he was at the time.

He was butt hurt that McNair demanded a new QB after one season of Hoyer (that home playoff butt kicking didn't sit well with the old man).

I honestly think if Osweiler had a better personality (more suited to what BO'b expected) or if BO'b was a little more tolerant of adverse personalities, he could have been BO'bs Schaub. I think prior to actually trying to coach him, BO'b liked what he saw on tape & was willing to give it a shot.

But douches & assholes don't get along as much as you'd think they would.

All speculation built off the speculation I heard at the time & since. My aversion to BO'b is because he doesn't seem to be flexible. He knows what he needs to do and a play caller & a coach to get this team to win. He's done it. But he appears to be stubborn & keeps reverting to what he knows doesn't beget winning.

I always get the feeling he'd rather prove a point than win.
 
thunderkyss said:
BO'b didn't want Mallett either. He wanted Hoyer. Not Fitz, Hoyer.

When BO'b was in New England he fell in love with Hoyer, not Mallett.

Had BO'b gone straight from New England to another NFL team, it's possible that he & Hoyer could have recreated the offense BO'b assisted Brady with. Possible.

But Hoyer floated around the league for three years without BO'b & was a totally different player/person by the time they were reunited.

I think a lot of our QB woes were due to that. He was butt hurt that Rick Smith identified Mallett as a better prospect than Hoyer, which he was at the time.

He was butt hurt that McNair demanded a new QB after one season of Hoyer (that home playoff butt kicking didn't sit well with the old man).

I honestly think if Osweiler had a better personality (more suited to what BO'b expected) or if BO'b was a little more tolerant of adverse personalities, he could have been BO'bs Schaub. I think prior to actually trying to coach him, BO'b liked what he saw on tape & was willing to give it a shot.

But douches & assholes don't get along as much as you'd think they would.

All speculation built off the speculation I heard at the time & since. My aversion to BO'b is because he doesn't seem to be flexible. He knows what he needs to do and a play caller & a coach to get this team to win. He's done it. But he appears to be stubborn & keeps reverting to what he knows doesn't beget winning.

I always get the feeling he'd rather prove a point than win.
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All of this to say BOB doesn't put winning 1st and foremost. This is so out there I dont even know how to respond. BOB has his faults for sure but this isn't one of them.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think we agree on Roster building. The coach has to be able to cultivate a roster which BO'b has shown no ability to do.
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Gotta have talent on the backend of the roster to cultivate. Talent was lacking there, the evidence of this was the piss poor ST"S play. Gaine fixed that in 1 offseason. Plus they added a ST's coach that knows what he's doing. It's called prioritizing.
 
Earl34 said:
Did Smith go out and get Mallet on his own? Didn't O'Brien want Mallet, then Mallet did something and O'Brien wanted him gone? What's the difference between O'Brien wanting Mallet and Osweiller off the team?
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I think Hoyer is the only guy BoB really wanted...Mallet was just a guy that Rick wante him to kick the tires on & BoB reluctantly agreed.....But he likely knew Mallet was a knucklehead & that he didn't want him. If you remember, Mallet was brought in just before the season started & people here wondered why he wasn't brought in sooner since he and BoB had history, he knew BoB's system etc. I have to believe that if BoB really wanted him, He would've been here much sooner & given much more leeway to become the starter.

What it appears is Ricky was trying to build and acquire the personnel for BoB's offense the same way he did with Kubiak...Cheaply and with a bunch of late round draft picks and guys that were back ups on other teams. BoB wasn't trying to have it.
TheKDog said:
So then you are giving credit to Rick Smith for the defense then?

And O'Brien wanted Mallet and Hoyer because they were in New England and familiar with his system. He wasted his first two years here with that Mallet nonsense. Two years of great defense he wasted.

Reminder that he picked Mallet over Fitzpatrick and Keenum (two decent backups) not just on the roster but to start games. He can't evaluate offensive talent.

And it was OBriens call to remake the OL for his system. Why would Rick dismantle his own OL that was top 10?

Rick was always just a guy who got the players the coach wants. Even OBrien said this.


Besides he's gone this year and everything looks exactly the same. How many years of alignment do we need before we can stop blaming Rick for everything?

They've invested plenty on offense:
Fuller first round
Watson first round
Nick Martin second round
Lamar Miller free agency
Fulton free agency
Two more TEs drafted
A bunch of gadget players OBrien loves (Strong, Braxton, Ervin, now Coutee)
XSF

Either OBrien is making bad evaluations or not using some of these guys correctly because the offense is bottom 10 every year. Or maybe his system and playcalling just suck.
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You're making posts, but you're still not saying anything that could even remotely begin to absolve Smith of 90% of the blame for why this team hasn't done more than it has. Hoyer was here virtually as soon as BoB touched down in houston...Mallet was brought in late...just before the season started. If BoB was so hot and heavy for Mallet, wouldn't it make more sense for BoB to tell Ricky to get him in here ASAP? Wouldn't it make more sense for BoB to insert Mallet into the starting lineup as soon as he could? None of that happened. Mallet was given the opportunity by default. He's also 1 of the only players I've heard BoB criticize publically for his play and decision making. He didn't want that dude. In fact its more likely that BoB was being force fed Mallet by Smith.

As for the rest of your post you're just flat out wrong. The remake of the o-line wasn't some conscious decision. It happened purely b/c it had to for a number of reasons that had largely nothing to do with BoB. If anyone deserves blame its Rick for the simple fact he ran off Brown with his fuckery & then he failed to resign Brooks and Jones & replaced them with bad draft picks & trash free agents. Most of the picks and FA moves you listed happened within the last 2 years before Rick's departure...precisely around the time Gaine was shipped outta here & BoB began complaining about organizational alignment.

You're a lost cause. You refuse see that for every great move Smith may have had, there were 2-3 horrible moves that very often set this team back years. You point to how great our defense has been while ignoring the BO clusterfuck that not only tore a hole in our available cap space for 2 years, it also fucked us on draft capital for 2 years; & that was just to correct his **** up for signing the prick in the 1st place.
 
Mr teX said:
I think Hoyer is the only guy BoB really wanted...Mallet was just a guy that Rick wante him to kick the tires on & BoB reluctantly agreed.....But he likely knew Mallet was a knucklehead & that he didn't want him. If you remember, Mallet was brought in just before the season started & people here wondered why he wasn't brought in sooner since he and BoB had history, he knew BoB's system etc. I have to believe that if BoB really wanted him, He would've been here much sooner & given much more leeway to become the starter.

What it appears is Ricky was trying to build and acquire the personnel for BoB's offense the same way he did with Kubiak...Cheaply and with a bunch of late round draft picks and guys that were back ups on other teams. BoB wasn't trying to have it.


You're making posts, but you're still not saying anything that could even remotely begin to absolve Smith of 90% of the blame for why this team hasn't done more than it has. Hoyer was here virtually as soon as BoB touched down in houston...Mallet was brought in late...just before the season started. If BoB was so hot and heavy for Mallet, wouldn't it make more sense for BoB to tell Ricky to get him in here ASAP? Wouldn't it make more sense for BoB to insert Mallet into the starting lineup as soon as he could? None of that happened. Mallet was given the opportunity by default. He's also 1 of the only players I've heard BoB criticize publically for his play and decision making. He didn't want that dude. In fact its more likely that BoB was being force fed Mallet by Smith.

As for the rest of your post you're just flat out wrong. The remake of the o-line wasn't some conscious decision. It happened purely b/c it had to for a number of reasons that had largely nothing to do with BoB. If anyone deserves blame its Rick for the simple fact he ran off Brown with his fuckery & then he failed to resign Brooks and Jones & replaced them with bad draft picks & trash free agents. Most of the picks and FA moves you listed happened within the last 2 years before Rick's departure...precisely around the time Gaine was shipped outta here & BoB began complaining about organizational alignment.

You're a lost cause. You refuse see that for every great move Smith may have had, there were 2-3 horrible moves that very often set this team back years. You point to how great our defense has been while ignoring the BO clusterfuck that not only tore a hole in our available cap space for 2 years, it also fucked us on draft capital for 2 years; & that was just to correct his **** up for signing the prick in the 1st place.
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thunderkyss said:
Osweiler was responsible for last season?

BO'b decided Tom Savage woul be our starting QB in June, but for the 2nd time in his tenure BO'b benched his starting QB in week 1. His young stud gets IR'd eight weeks later... Ricky's fault.

Jj Watt reinjured, Kevin Johnson injured again, didn't we lose Newton to injury? Brown couldn't get along with owner, Ricky's fault.

Ricky can't identify talent but drafts Hopkins, Fuller, Watt, Clowney, Cushing, Brown... he brought in Foster, Joseph, OL that made the pro bowl... yeah, he had help identifying each & every one of them, but not from his HC... the jock strap washer had more input on player personnel than our HC. According to you.

:ok:

Osweiler is not here because BO'b can't communicate with him the way Gase can. Rick Smith is gone because he had more important things to do.

With Watson playing BO'b had enough talent on the field to coach the highest scoring offense in the league. Remove that one player & half the defenses & 20% of the STs outscores his offense.
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In 12 years Rick Smith had 1 good draft. 1. think about that man. That's god awful. Meanwhile, Gaine...with no 1st or 2nd round pick may have locked down our TE of the future, our safety of the future & our RT of the future.

Building a team is more about what you do in rounds 2-4 than what you do in the 1st.....which all the players you named above were all 1st rounders. You and I could have a good record picking 1st rounders. Tell me what Smith's record in rounds 2-4 are?

You take away any teams starting stud qb & they're going to take a tremendous hit..See GB minus Aaron Rodgers last year. & I think you're forgetting that in that 3 game swoon, the defense was playing like **** & is what lost us that game against Tenn. The offense with a qb making his way back from an ACL, a putrid o-line actually battled back and took the lead before the defense let Tenn run all over them.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair criticism of BOB and unless he changes this will end up holding the franchise back.


You know this how? Rick went out and got Os on his own. BOB hated Os. How much input do you think BOB had? I think BOB said hey Ricky we need to add speed to the team so Ricky added Miller/Fuller. BOB didn't tell Ricky to add these guys specifically, or atleast that's what BOB has said in the past.

Too answer your question how long do we blame Ricky, 2 yrs because that's going to be how long it takes to clean up Ricky's mess. If Gaine hits a homerun maybe only one offseason. But that's asking alot. Of course after seeing this offseason with Gaine/BOB being aligned and how good of a job the did despite being handicapped by the mess Ricky left (And yes he left a mess he must have been the one making the draft pick/FA cals since he's no longer here and BOB still is here.) it may only take one offseason.
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When did BOB say this?

There were plenty of quotes from BOB saying he worked with Rick in looking at film on Osweiler and they agreed to get him. There are quotes that they work together in the draft and Rick would not get a player the coaches don't want.

Fair enough on 2 seasons. But so far, after 1 year, the OL is actually worse and the offense is the same.
 
Mr teX said:
In 12 years Rick Smith had 1 good draft. 1. think about that man. That's god awful. Meanwhile, Gaine...with no 1st or 2nd round pick may have locked down our TE of the future, our safety of the future & our RT of the future.

Building a team is more about what you do in rounds 2-4 than what you do in the 1st.....which all the players you named above were all 1st rounders. You and I could have a good record picking 1st rounders. Tell me what Smith's record in rounds 2-4 are?

You take away any teams starting stud qb & they're going to take a tremendous hit..See GB minus Aaron Rodgers last year. & I think you're forgetting that in that 3 game swoon, the defense was playing like **** & is what lost us that game against Tenn. The offense with a qb making his way back from an ACL, a putrid o-line actually battled back and took the lead before the defense let Tenn run all over them.
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If Rick had only 1 good draft then the Texans would never have been a Schaub injury away from the super bowl with top 10 units from Kubiak and Wade several years nor would the defense be top 10 every year except 1 under Crennel.

The only constant in the underperforming offense is OBrien.
 
Mr teX said:
I think Hoyer is the only guy BoB really wanted...Mallet was just a guy that Rick wante him to kick the tires on & BoB reluctantly agreed.....But he likely knew Mallet was a knucklehead & that he didn't want him. If you remember, Mallet was brought in just before the season started & people here wondered why he wasn't brought in sooner since he and BoB had history, he knew BoB's system etc. I have to believe that if BoB really wanted him, He would've been here much sooner & given much more leeway to become the starter.

What it appears is Ricky was trying to build and acquire the personnel for BoB's offense the same way he did with Kubiak...Cheaply and with a bunch of late round draft picks and guys that were back ups on other teams. BoB wasn't trying to have it.
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If BoB didn't want Mallet then why did he start him over Fitzpatrick and Hoyer then?
 
Earl34 said:
I'm watching the Rams game and people forget how fast McVay took Jeff Fisher's roster and made the Rams a respectable team.

It goes to show you how a creative offensive scheme can elevate a team.
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apples and pineapples comparison. He took over a Challenger SRT Hellcat & the GM there helped him turn it into a Lambo Veneno.

Rick Smith left us with a factory model mustang..no bells, no whistles...with the wrong type of tires on it and cracked rims lol.
 
Mr teX said:
I think Hoyer is the only guy BoB really wanted...Mallet was just a guy that Rick wante him to kick the tires on & BoB reluctantly agreed.....But he likely knew Mallet was a knucklehead & that he didn't want him. If you remember, Mallet was brought in just before the season started & people here wondered why he wasn't brought in sooner since he and BoB had history, he knew BoB's system etc. I have to believe that if BoB really wanted him, He would've been here much sooner & given much more leeway to become the starter.

What it appears is Ricky was trying to build and acquire the personnel for BoB's offense the same way he did with Kubiak...Cheaply and with a bunch of late round draft picks and guys that were back ups on other teams. BoB wasn't trying to have it.


You're making posts, but you're still not saying anything that could even remotely begin to absolve Smith of 90% of the blame for why this team hasn't done more than it has. Hoyer was here virtually as soon as BoB touched down in houston...Mallet was brought in late...just before the season started. If BoB was so hot and heavy for Mallet, wouldn't it make more sense for BoB to tell Ricky to get him in here ASAP? Wouldn't it make more sense for BoB to insert Mallet into the starting lineup as soon as he could? None of that happened. Mallet was given the opportunity by default. He's also 1 of the only players I've heard BoB criticize publically for his play and decision making. He didn't want that dude. In fact its more likely that BoB was being force fed Mallet by Smith.

As for the rest of your post you're just flat out wrong. The remake of the o-line wasn't some conscious decision. It happened purely b/c it had to for a number of reasons that had largely nothing to do with BoB. If anyone deserves blame its Rick for the simple fact he ran off Brown with his fuckery & then he failed to resign Brooks and Jones & replaced them with bad draft picks & trash free agents. Most of the picks and FA moves you listed happened within the last 2 years before Rick's departure...precisely around the time Gaine was shipped outta here & BoB began complaining about organizational alignment.

You're a lost cause. You refuse see that for every great move Smith may have had, there were 2-3 horrible moves that very often set this team back years. You point to how great our defense has been while ignoring the BO clusterfuck that not only tore a hole in our available cap space for 2 years, it also fucked us on draft capital for 2 years; & that was just to correct his **** up for signing the prick in the 1st place.
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All I'm getting is a bunch of spin to blame Rick and absolve O'Brien of his garbage offenses.

Nevermind that Kubiak, Wade and Crennel all were able to build excellent units with Rick.

I mean, you're even trying to pin Mallet on Rick now. Everyone knows that's OBriens guy from New England.
 
Mr teX said:
apples and pineapples comparison. He took over a Challenger SRT Hellcat & the GM there helped him turn it into a Lambo Veneno.

Rick Smith left us with a factory model mustang..no bells, no whistles...with the wrong type of tires on it and cracked rims lol.
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O'Brien has Watson, Hopkins and Fuller. Still the offense is bottom 10.
 
TheKDog said:
If BoB didn't want Mallet then why did he start him over Fitzpatrick and Hoyer then?
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Fitz got hurt...& by then Hoyer was already getting booed out of NRG. As I said, he got the opportunity to start by default..basically b/c he was on the roster. Mallet couldn't even take that and run with it before ******* it up and getting kicked off the team.
 
TheKDog said:
O'Brien has Watson, Hopkins and Fuller. Still the offense is bottom 10.
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There's this thing called an offensive line. Most top 10 offenses have a good one. The Texans have improved from putrid to bad. Surely you can see the difference.
 
TheKDog said:
If Rick had only 1 good draft then the Texans would never have been a Schaub injury away from the super bowl with top 10 units from Kubiak and Wade several years nor would the defense be top 10 every year except 1 under Crennel.

The only constant in the underperforming offense is OBrien.
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The Texans under BoB have gotten exactly as close to the SB as Kubiak & his top 10 offenses got. So that should tell you just how much what you're saying actually matters.
 
TheKDog said:
When did BOB say this?

There were plenty of quotes from BOB saying he worked with Rick in looking at film on Osweiler and they agreed to get him. There are quotes that they work together in the draft and Rick would not get a player the coaches don't want.

Fair enough on 2 seasons. But so far, after 1 year, the OL is actually worse and the offense is the same.
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At the end of the season when all of the organizational dysfunction was happening.

Let's give Gaine a full compliment of draft picks before we start judging. I will admit I wasn't impressed with the bunch of backups strategy in FA last offseason.
 
Mr teX said:
Fitz got hurt...& by then Hoyer was already




getting booed out of NRG. As I said, he got the opportunity to start by default..basically b/c he was on the roster. Mallet couldn't even take that and run with it before ******* it up and getting kicked off the team.
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Nope, Fitzpatrick wasn't hurt, he was benched for Mallet.

Incredible, but true.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...brien-tabs-ryan-mallett-as-texans-starting-qb

Texans coach Bill O'Brien announced Wednesday that the team is making Mallett their starting quarterback moving forward. Now 4-5 on the season, the Texans head into their bye week after two of Fitzpatrick's worst games of the season.

"This might be the thing that helps our team," O'Brien said.

The Texans acquired Mallett for virtually nothing on August 31, giving up a conditional seventh-round pick in 2016 for the former Patriot. O'Brien coached Mallett as his offensive coordinator in New England, and cited his familiarity with O’Brien's system as one reason to make the move.

"Watching Ryan in practice, I really believe he's gotten better and better," O' Brien said. "His huddle command, his knowledge of our offense. He's really been in the system for four years, he was drafted in 2011. Obviously he backed up Tom (Brady) for three years and came in here to back up Ryan (Fitzpatrick) and I think he's made a lot of progress."





Then he benched Hoyer for Mallet the next year. He also got rid of Keenum and replaced him with Mallet. QB genius!
 
TheKDog said:
Nope, Fitzpatrick wasn't hurt, he was benched for Mallet.

Incredible, but true.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...brien-tabs-ryan-mallett-as-texans-starting-qb

Texans coach Bill O'Brien announced Wednesday that the team is making Mallett their starting quarterback moving forward. Now 4-5 on the season, the Texans head into their bye week after two of Fitzpatrick's worst games of the season.

"This might be the thing that helps our team," O'Brien said.

The Texans acquired Mallett for virtually nothing on August 31, giving up a conditional seventh-round pick in 2016 for the former Patriot. O'Brien coached Mallett as his offensive coordinator in New England, and cited his familiarity with O’Brien's system as one reason to make the move.

"Watching Ryan in practice, I really believe he's gotten better and better," O' Brien said. "His huddle command, his knowledge of our offense. He's really been in the system for four years, he was drafted in 2011. Obviously he backed up Tom (Brady) for three years and came in here to back up Ryan (Fitzpatrick) and I think he's made a lot of progress."





Then he benched Hoyer for Mallet the next year. He also got rid of Keenum and replaced him with Mallet. QB genius!
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Still does nothing for your argument dude. BoB as a HC was trying to get a spark from somewhere. & what's lost in your "gotcha" moment here is that it actually worked. When Fitz eventually got back in as the starter when Mallet couldn't hit the broad side of a barn against Cincy, He played much better...6 TD game vs. Tenn... before he got himself hurt.
 
TheKDog said:
It's almost as if the coach should coach up the OL and put them in the right position to succeed.
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You have nothing dude..you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. None of BoB's perceived short comings in your eyes has prevented him from reaching the same level of success that Kubiak did when he was here. All you're really doing is highlighting the fact that what Kubiak did here wasn't all that impressive. Now, what is the "common denominator" between the 2 regimes??? :whistle:
 
Mr teX said:
You have nothing dude..you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. None of BoB's perceived short comings in your eyes has prevented him from reaching the same level of success that Kubiak did when he was here. All you're really doing is highlighting the fact that what Kubiak did here wasn't all that impressive. Now, what is the "common denominator" between the 2 regimes??? :whistle:
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Does he know what a common denominator is?

Thinking BOB just came in and one day decided to blow up Kubiak's OL is preposterous. They were old and needed to be replaced. Ricky decided not to reup Brown/Brooks/Jones.

I wonder what these people think Ricky's job was? He decided who to keep and who to let go. He helped negotiate with Olson's help contracts.
 
steelbtexan said:
Does he know what a common denominator is?

Thinking BOB just came in and one day decided to blow up Kubiak's OL is preposterous. They were old and needed to be replaced. Ricky decided not to reup Brown/Brooks/Jones.

I wonder what these people think Ricky's job was? He decided who to keep and who to let go. He helped negotiate with Olson's help contracts.
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They probably think that Ricky isn't making any of his own moves...thinking that every move he makes is b/c BoB wants him to make it...& that's just absurd & it doesn't work that way b/c their allegiances aren't exactly the same. BoB's allegiance has to be primarily with the 53. Rick's has to be to the cap and BoB McNair.
 
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