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Pretty tough sell if he keeps winning I would say.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's like Barry Switzer with the Cowboys. The team looks like they win in spite of, not because of him.
Scooter
Funky
With our craptastic schedule he would almost have to be a jellyfish to avoid winning. But as I've said since 2002, I'm here for the long haul. O'Brien can be the least crappiest into the playoffs again riding Romeo, Watt and Hopkins. Enjoying wins as a fan doesn't make me a drone. I know what I see. I am capable of observing routes and blocking assignments. I'm able to become familiar with tendencies among our players as individuals and as parts of a greater whole. We're currently celebrating competence from our offense, excellence from a couple - and of course RAC's defense doing it's job (10 points tops with real officials - if that).
usernameJJ
Waterboy
Like several have been saying, we are winning IN SPITE OF our Head Coach. In the opening second, OB was OB'ing it up. Why re-kick the kickoff? Why not decline the penalty? Dolphins had ball on 22 yard line, re-kick into the end zone, they get it at 25 yard line, plus the 5 yard penalty, they get the ball at the 30 yard line. We haven't even started the game yet and we've already lost 8 yards. WTF? And I'm sorry, but no one has brought up the 4th and goal play when we were on offense and leading the game, and I don't even remember which quarter it was. Why not take the 3 points there?!?!? You're already ahead! Yes, I know it worked out and we scored a TD, but you ALWAYS TAKE THE POINTS!
Am I crazy?
Am I crazy?
Yes
Scooter
Funky
Absolutely! And your feet smell! Your post isn't wrong though.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yes you are crazy...& a few other things too. if we kick a fg there and we happen to lose, no doubt you and your crew would be jumping off a ledge talking about him not being aggressive & going for it in that situation is what cost them that game. There's simply no winning with you guys b/c the frame of reference for what coaching is and should be on that level is your son's little league football team.
The Astros lose in the ALCS and you've got people in here questioning AJ Hinch. Same guy that managed the Stros to a WS victory in 2017. Completely and utterly irrational.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I wonder if BOB uses analytics or his gut. Opening kickoff, you decline, or if u accept then you skyball to the 5 or why accept. Goes for it on 4th and 2 on the goalline, does not go for it on 4th and inches late in 2nd, and odds would favor that one more than the other. I am not questioning, just seems he goes by feel and he is such a teapot that not sure it is backed by data. He has the boys playing better and some of the tough defenses are behind us so probably trending up. Team plays for him and long contract so get used to his deficencies
Maybe but we aren't gonna get past both New England & KC in the AFC, not this year. Give Gaine a full board of Draft picks and FA in 2019 and then we can maybe make a real run at it.
Atleast there's some honesty.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I was face palming in the stands thinking those calls cost us games. It all worked, but think the data says just do the Drew Brees shove the ball fwd
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I was face palming in the stands thinking those calls cost us games. It all worked, but think the data says just do the Drew Brees shove the ball fwd
Shishkabob
All Pro
Because Like you said you were up, if you don't get it the broncos are pinned at the 2. But by going for it you are making a statement to your offense, you are saying I know we have struggled down here all year, but I believe in you. Go prove me right. I had zero issue with the call considering how the game was going
Aj Hinch does more with data than OB. OB has said many times he goes with his gut. He may need a new gut.
Yet, I seem to remember a time on this MB where mant were predicting the Texans wouldn't win a game this yr.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I would have gone for it on 4th and 2 because of Shishkabob's statement, just seems inconsistent, would not have taken penalty on kickoff and would have gone on 4th and inches, but actually I give BOB some credit, he is coaching better, and the in game decisions are not as horrible as the first three games. Some of that was indefensible. We are couch coaching now and picking on items that are not that big. He needs to play with balls when we get to the big games/teams
Scooter
Funky
When?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
lol...what subjective garbage...The team "looks like"? Oh no......surely it couldn't be because they want to win for themselves, the organization, the city of Houston and/or their HC right? You guys are pathetic and the premise of this whole thread is silly when you consider that head coaches are hired to be fired anyway. BoB's time is all but assured to come. Right now though? These guys are coming together as a team, they've reeled off a nice winning streak, & like it or not BoB's a big reason for that. Deal with it.
So this is what we're going with now that BOB seems to be scheming up plays better and the QB is healthier/OL is playing better.
So this is what we're going with now that BOB seems to be scheming up plays better and the QB is healthier/OL is playing better.
He absolutely goes by feel.
There you go with that 'you guys' generalization again... are you from Calif.?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So 1:45 left in the half, up by only 4, ball on own 34, the last two rushing plays netted one total yard, and the Texans defense had been playing well all game. Not to mention they were getting the ball to start the second half.
I'm struggling to understand how punting and making the Dolphins drive 75 yards was a bad decision.
When they were 0-3,
Not saying this was you.
Go back and check the Tack game thread if you want to see some negativity.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I sort of understand your point......................................If you've got TB12........Drew Brees.........Aaron Rodgers running that show. Obviously, we don't have that.
But lets go with your premise.
Say he gets aggressive there & doesn't "turtle up" as you say.
& with our o-line, Watson gets sacked.................there's a fumble & the Dolphins get a cheap score & manage to take the lead or tie it there and steal all the momentum going into the half.....
or worse, Watson gets knocked out of the game....................or knocked out for the season.........or Watson just throws a pick and they take it down and get a cheap score.
Would any of those scenarios had been worth it to appease you, Joe the fan who wants to see them be aggressive to tack on points in a game that was mostly already under our control? Likely no........Especially when you consider we were getting the ball to start the 3rd.
I just....
there's just all kinds of fail in these threads.& this is with the team on a 5 game win streak, and leading its division!
Scooter
Funky
I've been told Mrs O'Brien isn't into that sort of thing, so ... what does Bill's azzhole taste like?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Football isn't a game that lends itself to analytics despite what PFF is trying to do. The more apt comparison would be to see what Hinch would do if he didn't have Bregman this year rescuing his offense.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol...is that all you could muster? Much like your posting, your smack talk needs work.
That's like saying what would happen to OB if Watson wasn't around. We saw that last year.
You can't subtract one player from one coach and not do that with the other.
Scooter
Funky
Hell I'm still waiting for your response to my last post, I just figured this would get your attention.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The point is Bregman going super saiyan saved his offense & the season more so than any individual decision Hinch made using his analytics.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That was your last post to me genius.
I agree, but my point was that could be said for any coach. Lose your star player and things may go south.
I guess we'll see how OB does losing 2 of his best WRs this year. Hopefully they can keep the streak going.
This mornings BOB haters are a pretty salty group.
Scooter
Funky
So who is the "moron talking about our offense looking the same". There were only two options and you denied the other.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It's not about what he does without his 2 best WR's...its about keeping the team moving in the right direction despite player losses and tough stretches in the schedule...
Hinch was able to do it despite losing Correa, Altuve and Springer for certain stretches.....but he still needed Bregman's ridiculous year to pull it off.
BoB so far has been able to do it despite a tough start and shitty o-line play.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Thekdog's post #624
Scooter
Funky
I'm truly surprised. Not surprised that you called someone else a moron, but the assumption you could even explain why he would be a moron, or have anything resembling a technical conversation - but I submit that I missed a post and you're a fraction less of the full *something* than I think of you because of my own error.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
AJ Hinch did some questionable things this time around. He wasnt devoid of criticism. As a coach/manager you have to put your team in positions to win through game planning, tendency, and just natural feel for the game. AJ Hinch has that, but OBrien does not.
completely untrue. if you look into it you will find that the most successful football teams have embraced the analytics movement to verify, establish or support game theory or probability. Yes there is an eye test, but the numbers test can reveal a plethora of useful information if properly analyzed and understood.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I never said analytics doesn’t have a place..I stated that it doesn’t lend itself to football as much as it does in Baseball and Basketball. At the end of the day, the eye test still matters more in football than it does in those other sports.
As for your other assertions, No player is going to and should be expected to make every play they should make..why expect a HC to make every right move/call? He is flawed like every player and HC in the league and If he was as horrible as u guys say he is at these game management and team moves, this team wouldn’t have been able to pull out of a 3 game nosedive and go on a 5 game win streak.
And as meager as his success has been, he wouldn’t have even had that.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
recent example was monday night, went for two when down 8 after the first score. The tribal knowledge says you go for 1 there, but analytics challenge conventional wisdom, good article here. Some of us are just saying we see data changing lots of things we used to trust as the right thing, big data analysis shows our gut and history have it wrong. https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2...o-on-monday-night-football-was-the-right-call. So that is why Uncle Rico and I think BOB should get someone to help him here so he makes smarter decisions, his gut is overcome by emotion anyway sometimes, so get someone calm and cool who crunches
Its your argument that obrien has changed nothing but that Watson is finally executing
The truth is it took 8 games for O'Brien to properly evaluate his players starting with who should play where and when on the OL
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Your truth. Which quite frankly means nothing b/c it’s really nothing but supposition on your part with no proof whatsoever. Furthermore, i'm not just talking about Watson finally executing..the players as a whole are executing better. But lets go with what you're saying.
Watson pretty much confirmed the whole execution thing last night with his post game interview with Erin Andrews. You also see it in Watson’s play over the last 5 games. His TD to int ratio is 3:1 compared to a 1:1 ratio in the 1st 3 games. He's also not turning the ball over at nearly the same clip,
As for the the o-line, They've given up 1 sack in the last 2 games. Not a coincidence that the run game has also began to assert itself in that same timespan.
Also, the offense as a whole is what 4-4, 5-5 in the red zone these last 2 games?
I'll give you a truth. The truth is you must be a troll or someone who doesn't know how to assess what you're seeing on the field.
Ok so we agree the team didn't execute offensively the first 7 games (or the previous 4 years except the 5 good 2017 Watson games).
The question is why. If it's the players suck, then why are they on the roster?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The real question should be what do you consider to be good execution? B/c you seem to be trying to link it to a certain amount of ppg or something.
I thought you agreed that execution was bad before last game?
We can use football outsiders for a more objective measure
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Y'all are both correct in part. Execution has been better but OB has also been learning. E.g. we've seen more boots the last 2 games than the 6 before combined.
The 1 sack thing is a mixed bag. Watson hasn't taken dumb sacks like the 1st few games, Mancz' presence seems to solidify things, but truth be told it would be 6-7 sacks if it was just about any QB but Watson. His escapability is off the charts.
The 1 sack thing is a mixed bag. Watson hasn't taken dumb sacks like the 1st few games, Mancz' presence seems to solidify things, but truth be told it would be 6-7 sacks if it was just about any QB but Watson. His escapability is off the charts.
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