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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

HoustonRaven said:
All I'm saying is if you want an expensive FS who doesn't wrap up, then I think you're a year too late in getting your money's worth. $6 Million is the rumored asking price. Isn't that 2/3 of your cap space?

That tendency card works both ways, by the way. Flacco's been practicing against Reed for five years now.
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touche! :cowboy1:

Cap space is I think $11 million but I feel getting a FS like Reed for 2-3 years for that price is worth it especially if he can mentor a drafted FS at that position to help take his position when he is done.
 
b0ng said:
The Texans didn't exactly need Reed in 2012 to make the Ravens look silly. I doubt it's a move specifically designed to target what the Texans can do to the Ravens. I think this is more of an idea that they can make the secondary better (Which I do believe Reed is better in coverage than Quin, even with the disparity in their ages).
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Not sure what your one win out of seven tries has anything to do with my overall point.

Doesn't change the fact of the larger picture of 2/3 of your cap space is about to be placed on the past glory of Reed. Sounds an awful lot like a move for the Redskins of the 90's.

Look, the Texans are my number two team and Reed is one of my all time favorite Ravens. He isn't worth $6 Million at this point in his career or for a team that's on the cusp of greatness.
 
HoustonRaven said:
All I'm saying is if you want an expensive FS who doesn't wrap up, then I think you're a year too late in getting your money's worth. $6 Million is the rumored asking price. Isn't that 2/3 of your cap space?
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$6 million per???

Tell me we can't get Rhodes or Huff for that kind of money? Not digging it.

Huff’s Versatility

We see many safeties double as slot corners in sub packages but it’s very rare that a safety can make the move to a traditional cornerback role and have success. That’s exactly what Huff did in Week 3 when injuries forced the move to left cornerback. The Pittsburgh Steelers attacked him often (completing eight of the 11 balls thrown his way), but they were mostly of the short variety and Huff’s -3.1 grade in that game stemmed mostly from his three missed tackles.

After the tough first game, Huff continued to show improvement and seemed to make the position switch official when he picked up three passes defensed and an interception (and a +2.3 coverage grade) against the Atlanta Falcons’ wide receiver duo of Roddy White and Julio Jones in Week 6. Huff finished the season at cornerback and graded at +2.1 at his new home. It was an impressive performance as he performed admirably at a position where most safeties would be exploited.

When you add it all up, opponents completed only 53 percent of passes into Huff’s coverage and he finished with nine passes defensed and two interceptions. All of this came two years removed from Huff grading at +17.2 as our No. 2 safety in the league, and one year removed from his strong play when filling in as the team’s slot cornerback. He’s essentially succeeded in three different positions over a three-year period.

Any team looking to sign Huff will likely put him back at his more natural spot at safety, but his experience playing in the slot and on the outside will prove invaluable. In a league that covets versatility, Oakland’s releasing Huff may have vaulted him to the top of the free agent safety rankings.
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djohn2oo8 said:
Greg Koch ‏@gregkoch1
"@McClain_on_NFL: Ed Reed arrives in Houston, calls #Texans "classy." Also says ride down I45 from Bush to Kirby the most scenic drive ever
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They had TexanBill arrange for the In-Limo "entertainment". Ed Reed never looked out of the windows.
:D
 
ASidd_1990 said:
When is this gonna be finalized?

Starting to get anxious now.
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this whole patience thing is beyond you, isn't it?
:D

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HoustonRaven said:
Not sure what your one win out of seven tries has anything to do with my overall point.

Doesn't change the fact of the larger picture of 2/3 of your cap space is about to be placed on the past glory of Reed. Sounds an awful lot like a move for the Redskins of the 90's.

Look, the Texans are my number two team and Reed is one of my all time favorite Ravens. He isn't worth $6 Million at this point in his career or for a team that's on the cusp of greatness.
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The Texans have yet to re-structure any deals at all (Antonio Smith, possibly Schaub's and a few others) and $6m is not some cap crippling number here. Arguing about whether a player is worth $4m or $5m or $6m is just bean counting at this point and we haven't seen what a new deal between Reed and the Texans would look like yet. Hell, there's still a decent possibility that he doesn't even sign with the Texans!

The original point I was making though was that even if Flacco has been practicing against Reed for 5 years, this move is not designed to take down the SB winning Ravens team (Which is something the Texans accomplished in their SB winning year). It would be designed to get another crafty veteran player into the mix in the secondary, which is not a bad thing for this Texans team.
 
Brent Harris‏@BrentCSN
Texans putting full court press on Ed Reed... Want him to take physical and sign before he leaves Houston. #RavensTalk
 
Kelli Johnson (@kjohnsoncsn)
Again sources close 2 Ed Reed last night told me he wants to come to Houston! Texans are his top choice..
 
Shyt, stop reading sports news for four days and this is what happens. Quin and Casey gone, Walter cut. :toropalm:

Sign Reed or Woodson. If Keo is our starter going into 2013, all hope is lost.
 
Vance87 said:
1. He's got his ring, he's close to retirement, how much fire would he have?
2. He had a sub par 2012 season
3. Go on the Ravens forum, they wanted him freakin' benched he was doing so bad
4. He'll probably want too much money anyway
5. His hair
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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks we would over pay him.

6. His beard
7. Looking like a homeless man because or 5 and 6.


Seriously, if he comes in for a lower figure one year or two year deal, sure. We're already cap strapped and I don't want to through a Brink's truck at him. If his contract any where nears GQ I would much rather have kept GQ.
 
This team needs the leadership on the field.

I really don't care that he's not the same Ed Reed. Obviously.

You know what? Andre Johnson is not the same Andre Johnson either. That's alright, if you look at the great teams they have had great vet leaders playing on the field.

I think the team lost too many vets going into last season and learned that lesson. Also I still feel like last years Reed was better than last years Quinn. Quinn got beat deep a lot by making mental mistakes. Reed's speed may not be there but is he going to make those same mistakes? He will hopefully make the secondary smarter.
 
b0ng said:
I was pretty sure Manning is our FS here, and was a big reason of why he came here?
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He was, but had only 3 starts at FS and the rest at SS in 2012. Reed is(was) the prototypical FS and will play there wherever he goes, imo.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
Ed Reed thrilled GM Rick Smith brought him to Houston for a visit on Bob McNair's jet: "It's that southern hospitality Just a great feeling"
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Wat's he gonna say?

"man that private plane sucks. Food sucked. carpet smelled and the chick on the flight was ugly as shyte...."
 
John McClain has a lengthy piece:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/03/ed-reed-arrives-in-houston-calls-texans-classy/

“It’s mutual,” Reed said about his interest in the Texans. “Both of us are contenders and want to get a championship, but we still have some things to work out.

“Conversations have been great, amazing. We’re on the same page as far as what we need to get done.”

If Reed signs with the Texans, as many around the NFL are predicting, he will be close to New Orleans, his hometown.

“It would mean a lot,” Reed said. “My family’s already been calling. It’s a great feeling to know what the possibilities would be as far as what could happen (if he signs with the Texans).”
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not a full copy n paste
 
fiasco west said:
This team needs the leadership on the field.

I really don't care that he's not the same Ed Reed. Obviously.

You know what? Andre Johnson is not the same Andre Johnson either. That's alright, if you look at the great teams they have had great vet leaders playing on the field.

I think the team lost too many vets going into last season and learned that lesson. Also I still feel like last years Reed was better than last years Quinn. Quinn got beat deep a lot by making mental mistakes. Reed's speed may not be there but is he going to make those same mistakes? He will hopefully make the secondary smarter.
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I'm not sure on Reed because Wade likes his safties interchangeable and if it is Reed then that won't be the case since he's over the top safety at this point. At the same time this was an excellent point. The team really could use the leadership and playmaking abilities. We all saw the lack of leadership in some of the shell shocked games we had past season and the big awe look against the Patriots.

...Not to mention the times we couldn't even line up correctly. Having two veteran safties to make those calls and Cushing should make us look less...inept in those situations.
 
GP said:
One thing Ed can do, that Mario NEVER did: He inspires people. He's a model of determination and professionalism. The two guys are miles apart on that issue, IMO, and If you're the front 7 for Houston you feel a little more freedom to pin your ears back than you did in 2012...even if it's the placebo effect. Who cares.
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Bullstarch. You have fallen for all the hype- he doesn't 'mentor' anyone...Ed's a loner.

He works out in Miami with his "U" buddies, not in Baltimore. And he won't in Houston either.

Again, he's not the leader in the lockerroom you think he is. Ray Lewis owned that lockerroom.
 
fiasco west said:
This team needs the leadership on the field.

I really don't care that he's not the same Ed Reed. Obviously.

You know what? Andre Johnson is not the same Andre Johnson either. That's alright, if you look at the great teams they have had great vet leaders playing on the field.

I think the team lost too many vets going into last season and learned that lesson. Also I still feel like last years Reed was better than last years Quinn. Quinn got beat deep a lot by making mental mistakes. Reed's speed may not be there but is he going to make those same mistakes? He will hopefully make the secondary smarter.
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They won't look smart back there when Ed gambles and misses like he does about 60-65% ofthe time...
 
Manning and Reed at Safety.

KJ and Joseph at Cornerback.

Tell me a better FOUR-MAN secondary than that.

QBs picked on us because of two things: (1) Manning playing up inside the box more, due to loss of Cushing, and (2) Quin being left on his own.

If Cushing can last all season, if we can draft a thumper LB to pair alongside Cushing (because frankly, Bradie James is not that guy), then we have the following:

Front 3: Smith, Cody/Mitchell, Watt (With Crick getting more snaps in 2013)

LBs: Cushing, Drafted LB/James, Reed, Braman, Mercilus

CBs: Joseph, Jackson

S: Manning, Reed

That leaves us with the opportunity to target a LB on draft day, giving us flexibility to do whatever is best in round 1....be it a WR, or a LB, or a S to groom for Ed Reed's spot (who would be a better teacher than Ed Reed???).

Round 2 and 3 and 4 we can take whatever is best there for us, given the way the picks fall. Beef up whatever it is the Texans want to beef up.

We could even package picks and move up if wanted to, though that's not Rick Smith's style (he openly says he wants to collect picks as much as possible).

Overall, signing Ed Reed could be an upgrade over Quin regardless of disparity of age and mileage.

I look at that defense, and if we could get stronger on the DL or the LB positions, I look for Wade's defense to return to 2011 levels of consistency and production. Losing Cushing made Watt do much more than he should've been asked to do, and it cost us in the secondary via Manning playing down low too much. All in all, I don't think this is wrist-slitting time if we sign Ed Reed.

The big question will be (1) How do we add a GOOD wide receiver, and (2) Does that happen by restructuring our own guys' contracts to get a FA in here, or do we (3) Go draft day and try to gamble on a rookie being able to instantly be WR2???
 
handswarmer said:
Bullstarch. You have fallen for all the hype- he doesn't 'mentor' anyone...Ed's a loner.

He works out in Miami with his "U" buddies, not in Baltimore. And he won't in Houston either.

Again, he's not the leader in the lockerroom you think he is. Ray Lewis owned that lockerroom.
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I'm not saying I'm some sort of expert on what Ed Reed would bring in terms of locker room leadership (How the hell could anybody "co-lead" with Ray Lewis in there?), but you describe him as a player who doesn't talk to even his secondary teammates whatsoever? This is what I infer when I read "loner".
 
handswarmer said:
Bullstarch. You have fallen for all the hype- he doesn't 'mentor' anyone...Ed's a loner.

He works out in Miami with his "U" buddies, not in Baltimore. And he won't in Houston either.

Again, he's not the leader in the lockerroom you think he is. Ray Lewis owned that lockerroom.
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Ray lead through fear. if you didn't listen he would shank your ass.
 
handswarmer said:
Bullstarch. You have fallen for all the hype- he doesn't 'mentor' anyone...Ed's a loner.

He works out in Miami with his "U" buddies, not in Baltimore. And he won't in Houston either.

Again, he's not the leader in the lockerroom you think he is. Ray Lewis owned that lockerroom.
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He shows up in primetime, that's all I want honestly.
 
handswarmer said:
Bullstarch. You have fallen for all the hype- he doesn't 'mentor' anyone...Ed's a loner.

He works out in Miami with his "U" buddies, not in Baltimore. And he won't in Houston either.

Again, he's not the leader in the lockerroom you think he is. Ray Lewis owned that lockerroom.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...l-xlvii-ed-reed-hiding-plain-sight?src=mobile

"It's been such a blessing to play with that dude," Ravens linebacker Dannell Ellerbe says of Reed. "He's just so much of a leader that's behind the scenes, man. He don't need the cameras or anything. He's a guy that you respect, because he really don't care about being in the limelight. He just wants to make sure all his players are doing good. He cares only about this team. That's just a guy you want to play for."

Reed's leadership within the structure of the Ravens has always been harder to appreciate than Lewis', in large part because it lacks the public theatricality of the linebacker's fiery sideline and locker room speeches. Reed doesn't sit for interviews very often. Lewis, Flacco, Ray Rice and Terrell Suggs all field questions from the media on a weekly basis, but the Ravens don't ask Reed to do the same because they know how much he dislikes it. He'll typically talk to reporters at his locker after each game, but not always. When the Ravens lost the AFC Championship Game to New England a year ago, Reed ignored questions from the media with a playful smile and instead chose to walk around the visitors locker room in Gillette Stadium singing "Love TKO" by Teddy Pendergrass.
 
handswarmer said:
Bullstarch. You have fallen for all the hype- he doesn't 'mentor' anyone...Ed's a loner.

He works out in Miami with his "U" buddies, not in Baltimore. And he won't in Houston either.

Again, he's not the leader in the lockerroom you think he is. Ray Lewis owned that lockerroom.
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He leads by example, from what I've seen of him on game days. He holds down his end of the bargain, and he gambles like most any superstar does. Everybody who is great is bound to fail. Wade Phillips entire scheme is predicated on guys taking chances.

Ray dances, Ray talks, Ray gets in front of the cameras. Hell, he's already on with ESPN right now. BOOM! Instant paycheck, who would've guessed that happening that quickly? Everyone.

Fine, you seem to think that your cast-offs are **** and anybody getting your scraps is just living outside of reality. Fine. You got our castoff and nobody here thought he'd do what he did for your team. NOBODY did. There was even rumors he was going to get cut at the end of training camp because he was dropping everything in practice. What happened? A lot.

A lot can happen with any player. The Colts dropped Manning like 2-week old fish...all he did was take a Broncos team and pretty much did what Manning does a lot of: Play QB pretty freaking well. Sure, the Colts went with youth and future (by getting Luck). Duh. Still, Manning was not done.

And I don't think guys like Woodson or Reed are done. What they did for their respective long-term teams does not mean they're 100% washed up. It just means there's no 4 or 5-year deal in their future. That's the way it goes. Guys like Manning, Woodson, Reed, they're living year-to-year now.

So please, enjoy the discussion (like we know we do among ourselves), but every single comment from you has been snarky and full of sarcasm and contempt for any Texans' poster's responses to why Ed Reed might not be a bad deal for us.

You have to consider the circumstances, which all teams must. Right? Right.
 
Section516 said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...l-xlvii-ed-reed-hiding-plain-sight?src=mobile

"It's been such a blessing to play with that dude," Ravens linebacker Dannell Ellerbe says of Reed. "He's just so much of a leader that's behind the scenes, man. He don't need the cameras or anything. He's a guy that you respect, because he really don't care about being in the limelight. He just wants to make sure all his players are doing good. He cares only about this team. That's just a guy you want to play for."

Reed's leadership within the structure of the Ravens has always been harder to appreciate than Lewis', in large part because it lacks the public theatricality of the linebacker's fiery sideline and locker room speeches. Reed doesn't sit for interviews very often. Lewis, Flacco, Ray Rice and Terrell Suggs all field questions from the media on a weekly basis, but the Ravens don't ask Reed to do the same because they know how much he dislikes it. He'll typically talk to reporters at his locker after each game, but not always. When the Ravens lost the AFC Championship Game to New England a year ago, Reed ignored questions from the media with a playful smile and instead chose to walk around the visitors locker room in Gillette Stadium singing "Love TKO" by Teddy Pendergrass.
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"It's been widely reported, dissected and then anointed (in retrospect) as the turning point in Baltimore's season. Ravens coach John Harbaugh had what felt like a mutiny on his hands. The 50-year-old coach told his players he wanted to begin preparation for Baltimore's game against the Cleveland Browns by practicing in full pads, a rarity for a midseason Wednesday in the NFL, and his players -- still feeling battered and bruised -- were furious. Lewis was in Florida rehabbing his torn triceps, so it was Reed and Bernard Pollard who openly confronted their coach in front of the team, kicking off what players have described as a "group therapy session" in which they were able to air a number of grievances and frustrations."

And now Pollard is released. You guys didn't like Pollard and thought he was a cancer. Now you want Ed Reed.
 
handswarmer said:
"It's been widely reported, dissected and then anointed (in retrospect) as the turning point in Baltimore's season. Ravens coach John Harbaugh had what felt like a mutiny on his hands. The 50-year-old coach told his players he wanted to begin preparation for Baltimore's game against the Cleveland Browns by practicing in full pads, a rarity for a midseason Wednesday in the NFL, and his players -- still feeling battered and bruised -- were furious. Lewis was in Florida rehabbing his torn triceps, so it was Reed and Bernard Pollard who openly confronted their coach in front of the team, kicking off what players have described as a "group therapy session" in which they were able to air a number of grievances and frustrations."

And now Pollard is released. You guys didn't like Pollard and thought he was a cancer. Now you want Ed Reed.
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I don't remember Pollard being a cancer, a coverage liability yes, but a cancer?
 
handswarmer said:
"It's been widely reported, dissected and then anointed (in retrospect) as the turning point in Baltimore's season. Ravens coach John Harbaugh had what felt like a mutiny on his hands. The 50-year-old coach told his players he wanted to begin preparation for Baltimore's game against the Cleveland Browns by practicing in full pads, a rarity for a midseason Wednesday in the NFL, and his players -- still feeling battered and bruised -- were furious. Lewis was in Florida rehabbing his torn triceps, so it was Reed and Bernard Pollard who openly confronted their coach in front of the team, kicking off what players have described as a "group therapy session" in which they were able to air a number of grievances and frustrations."

And now Pollard is released. You guys didn't like Pollard and thought he was a cancer. Now you want Ed Reed.
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Nobody here thought Pollard was a cancer, he just couldn't cover to save his life, which was especially bad next to Ewwwwwwwwwwwgene Wilson's ghost of a career.

Now you are straight making stuff up.

edit: lol triple beaten
 
handswarmer said:
"It's been widely reported, dissected and then anointed (in retrospect) as the turning point in Baltimore's season. Ravens coach John Harbaugh had what felt like a mutiny on his hands. The 50-year-old coach told his players he wanted to begin preparation for Baltimore's game against the Cleveland Browns by practicing in full pads, a rarity for a midseason Wednesday in the NFL, and his players -- still feeling battered and bruised -- were furious. Lewis was in Florida rehabbing his torn triceps, so it was Reed and Bernard Pollard who openly confronted their coach in front of the team, kicking off what players have described as a "group therapy session" in which they were able to air a number of grievances and frustrations."

And now Pollard is released. You guys didn't like Pollard and thought he was a cancer. Now you want Ed Reed.
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umm...this articulates what others are saying. It states his leadership and how he recognized issues and voiced them. That is what leaders do. Followers sit there on their hands saying nothing. Leaders on the football team should speak openly to the coach to discuss issues that coaches may not see because coaches don't see it all or know it all. That is why you want leaders on your team to be that voice, be those eyes and be that bridge between player and coach.

Don't remember anyone believing Pollard was a cancer. Maybe some did, who knows. The main and general thought was he couldn't cover in the way Wade utilizes his safeties and was strictly a box safety.
 
Section516 said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...l-xlvii-ed-reed-hiding-plain-sight?src=mobile

"It's been such a blessing to play with that dude," Ravens linebacker Dannell Ellerbe says of Reed. "He's just so much of a leader that's behind the scenes, man. He don't need the cameras or anything. He's a guy that you respect, because he really don't care about being in the limelight. He just wants to make sure all his players are doing good. He cares only about this team. That's just a guy you want to play for."

Reed's leadership within the structure of the Ravens has always been harder to appreciate than Lewis', in large part because it lacks the public theatricality of the linebacker's fiery sideline and locker room speeches. Reed doesn't sit for interviews very often. Lewis, Flacco, Ray Rice and Terrell Suggs all field questions from the media on a weekly basis, but the Ravens don't ask Reed to do the same because they know how much he dislikes it. He'll typically talk to reporters at his locker after each game, but not always. When the Ravens lost the AFC Championship Game to New England a year ago, Reed ignored questions from the media with a playful smile and instead chose to walk around the visitors locker room in Gillette Stadium singing "Love TKO" by Teddy Pendergrass.
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OMG!

So like, I wasn't just bull****ting then, huh? I mean, I actually stated a position and what do you know...it is true! Wow.

See, handswarmer...just because Ray was the public face of that defense doesn't mean it was entirely led by Ray. Please stop making it sound like Ed Reed was garbage. I mean, really. It is what it is: Guy is older, he isn't getting the 4 or 5-year deals that younger guys are...it happens. He's living year to year, and we need a stop-gap solution for now.

Context. It's a helluva' drug.
 
handswarmer said:
And now Pollard is released. You guys didn't like Pollard and thought he was a cancer. Now you want Ed Reed.
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I don't remember Pollard being a cancer. Poor in coverage, the un-timely personal fouls... those were the reasons we didn't mind letting Pollard go.

Reed... yeah, I want him on this team. I like the idea of Peyton, Brady, & Flacco looking for him when we go head to head.

No matter, it won't happen. Rick Smith rubs people the wrong way & Reed is at a point in his career he doesn't need to put up with too much. I'm surprised he hadn't flown out yet.
 
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