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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

djohn2oo8 said:
Quin is replaceable. What is wrong with you people?!!
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Lol. There's nothing wrong with me. I didn't say Quin wasn't replaceable, but that the Texans didn't play it right. I think they assumed he would be easy to sign. If you've been a Texans fan for a long time you know how bad the safety position has been for us. Quin wasn't perfect, but he was the best we ever had at that position. Like I said, I like Ed Reed but I'm very indifferent to this move if it happens. I get the feeling that without a dominant front seven, he'll be exposed. And no matter how great JJ Watt was last season, the Texans didn't have a dominant front seven. I'm hoping that with the return of Cushing we'll be better at stone walling offenses.
 
DX-TEX said:
.....I have no words...if this signing is complemented with another signing I would be ok with it but I just cant see why spend that money on an aging vet. I get the whole "leadership" ideal but damn.
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Maybe to they plan on drafting on Safety and expect Reed to show him the ropes?
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
I may have missed 1 but I can't remember GM Rick Smith going on Bob McNair's private jet to pick up a FA like he is Ed Reed
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Am I the only one envisioning Smith and Reed having a Stark and Roadie moment like in the first Iron Man movie???

LOL! That would be epic. Can't get the visual out of my mind after reading McClain's message there.
 
I'll put one more post in this mess of a thread with people slap-fighting about Rick Smith (Which seems to be spilling over into a lot of threads)

Yes, Ed Reed's tackling leaves a lot to be desired, and yes, he doesn't quite have the range to make plays on the ball like he used to. However, he is still a pretty good safety in this league and I believe a secondary of JoJo, KJax (God I can't beleive how much he's improved in a year or two) and Ed Reed is not something that other NFL teams are going to take lightly. Losing Quin does sting, but I think if you can get Reed on a reasonable deal (And I mean that by him making about $4 - $5m tops as the cap hit) then you might as well go for it.

If Reed is using the Texans to get some leverage over the Ravens then so be it, it's not a huge crushing loss, and there are still plenty plenty of FA safeties left on the market.
 
ThaJokaa said:
Maybe to they plan on drafting on Safety and expect Reed to show him the ropes?
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I like that idea but there are other needs. Unless a young wr steps up this team is woefully inept at that position outside of Andre. Then there's the oline which was suspect at best last season. Not to mention another pass rusher. I like Reed and I think he's still good but we shouldn't blow out wad on one aging vet.
 
Nawzer said:
Lol. There's nothing wrong with me. I didn't say Quin wasn't replaceable, but that the Texans didn't play it right. I think they assumed he would be easy to sign. If you've been a Texans fan for a long time you know how bad the safety position has been for us. Quin wasn't perfect, but he was the best we ever had at that position. Like I said, I like Ed Reed but I'm very indifferent to this move if it happens. I get the feeling that without a dominant front seven, he'll be exposed. And no matter how great JJ Watt was last season, the Texans didn't have a dominant front seven. I'm hoping that with the return of Cushing we'll be better at stone walling offenses.
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What secondary doesn't get exposed without a front 7 that doesn't get any pressure?
 
Well if the jet gets whiped out then I would say it is going to get done. Hope it is a two year deal at the most. We will need to draft a S pretty early, probably round 2 or 3, due to Reed's age and injury history. If he can stay healthy this will be a good signing. Guy will show the secondary how an all time great does it.
 
TexCanada said:
I like the idea of Reed, but we can't blow our whole FA budget on him when we still need a pass rusher and a WR.
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Well, we have $11 million under the cap. If Reed takes half of that, we are up against it a bit. However, we can restructure A.Smith and gain $5-$7 million... Cutting him would get us $6 million. Also, Schaub will restructure and has room to do so, as does Manning, OD, Foster- without creating future issues.

Detroit was up against the cap before free agency and made all of those signings. The Texans are in a healthy position with no dead money and little oversized contracts eating the cap moving forward. So, it will come down to their will to do something beyond Reed. Should be interesting. If they are stagnant during free agency this off-season, it will indicated that McNair has the team on a tighter budget than many of the NFL teams.
 
TexanSam said:
The Texans aren't counting to fill all their needs through free agency.
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Of course not, but the list of needs right now is too long to address with 1 draft. If Reed is wanting 6mil per for multiple years then I'd be looking at other options at safety and making sure we got Barwin back.
 
TexCanada said:
Oh ya! How are his pass rushing skills?
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Pretty awesome. A few weeks ago he said he was not only the next AJ, but that he's also the next JJ Watt.

He's pretty much the whole team if you get down to it. Dwight Jones = BEAST.
 
Dave Zangaro @DZangaro
RT @McClain_on_NFL: Ed Reed arrived n Houston escorted by GM Rick Smith. They're headed 4 Reliant Stadium.
 
John McClain‏@McClain_on_NFL
Reed said no contract has been done. Said he's excited to be here and has "a few things to work out."
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, we have $11 million under the cap. If Reed takes half of that, we are up against it a bit. However, we can restructure A.Smith and gain $5-$7 million... Cutting him would get us $6 million. Also, Schaub will restructure and has room to do so, as does Manning, OD, Foster- without creating future issues.

Detroit was up against the cap before free agency and made all of those signings. The Texans are in a healthy position with no dead money and little oversized contracts eating the cap moving forward. So, it will come down to their will to do something beyond Reed. Should be interesting. If they are stagnant during free agency this off-season, it will indicated that McNair has the team on a tighter budget than many of the NFL teams.
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We got a lot of people to pay in the next two years, too!

Cushing, Watt, KJ just to name the big ones off the top of my head...with the Joseph and Manning contracts expiring in two years, as well IIRC.

Five key positions that we're enjoying NOW...but could be headaches in a year or two from now. We've got great players that many other teams would kill to have right now. Adding Ed Reed would be a solid off-season, IMO. If we can get guys to re-structure and thereby add a really nice free agent WR or another front 7 guy on offense??? I'd be really happy with that, too.
 
Ed Reed is going to be a Texan? Pinch me. He's my favorite defensive non-Texan player.

OMG we are actually gonna make a SPLASH in FA. Who would have thunk it?

Rick Smith I take back all the nasty things I said to you.

:kingkong:
 
BullNation4Life said:
wow somebody please help this dude take his Glover Quinn colored glasses off...
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BullNation4Life said:
6 mill a year for what 2-3 years, for a HOF FS is freaking a steal for everything he brings to the table...

Reed could easily get between 8-9 mil a year just by his name alone from another team...

are you really this Anit-Reed?
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I'm beginning to think you have problems comprehending basic written English. When I say "Glover Quin will never be half the player that Ed Reed was in his prime", what about that leads you to think I have "Quin colored glasses" (whatever the hell that is)? When I say "Ed Reed is one of my all-time favorite players, and probably one of the top two safeties to play this game in my lifetime (Ronnie Lott the other)" in post #148 of this thread, what about that makes you think I am anti-Reed?

Quin was a better player than Ed Reed was this year. That's just plain and simple fact. That says a lot more about Reed's decline and age than it does about Quin, but it is what it is. I also said Quin was not worth the $5M that the Lions gave him. So basic logic here, if Quin is not worth $5M and was a better player than Reed, and Reed has lost a few steps and is getting older, why on Earth would I think Reed is worth $6M? I'm all for Ed Reed coming to play on this team - as a replacement for Shiloh Keo or Troy Nolan, not as a replacement for Quin. For the third time in this thread, use him sparingly and keep him fresh for the playoffs, and I think Ed Reed makes a good addition to the team.
 
PEOPLE WE ARE GETTING ED MUTHAFUGGIN REED!

Forget about Glover Quin. Ed Reed is the better safety and we could possibly sign him for LESS than what we got for Quin.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
John McClain‏@McClain_on_NFL
Reed said no contract has been done. Said he's excited to be here and has "a few things to work out."
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Well, certainly he has to work some things out. If he just landed, and he's headed to Reliant, then that means he's doing the customary once-over...taking a stroll around the new digs...trying to see if it feels good.

That, plus some good negotiations between him, his agent and our front office, and I'd say a deal could be done today or tomorrow (unless another team jumps into the fray and muddies the water).

Plus, Woodson and 49ers are talking...so it's still very early in the process, and some things might happen that we didn't expect. Just like how it went down with Aso and then we ended up with J-Jo and Manning instead.

I do thinkm however, that this is all but a done deal. Customary meetings and handshaking, fawning over Ed and making him feel welcome, and just doing good customary ground work before anything is signed. We'll see.

Thank you for posting the info, by the way.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm beginning to think you have problems comprehending basic written English. When I say "Glover Quin will never be half the player that Ed Reed was in his prime", what about that leads you to think I have "Quin colored glasses" (whatever the hell that is)? When I say "Ed Reed is one of my all-time favorite players, and probably one of the top two safeties to play this game in my lifetime (Ronnie Lott the other)" in post #148 of this thread, what about that makes you think I am anti-Reed?

Quin was a better player than Ed Reed was this year. That's just plain and simple fact. That says a lot more about Reed's decline and age than it does about Quin, but it is what it is. I also said Quin was not worth the $5M that the Lions gave him. So basic logic here, if Quin is not worth $5M and was a better player than Reed, and Reed has lost a few steps and is getting older, why on Earth would I think Reed is worth $6M? I'm all for Ed Reed coming to play on this team - as a replacement for Shiloh Keo or Troy Nolan, not as a replacement for Quin. For the third time in this thread, use him sparingly and keep him fresh for the playoffs, and I think Ed Reed makes a good addition to the team.
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You're alright. I know you long enough on here that I know you're just guarded and being what ANY long-time Texans fan would be right now: A bit skeptical that our "best laid plans" might be crap when it fleshes itself out on the field of play on Sundays.

No worries, man. I go back and forth on this, but at the end of the day I remember that hey, We were gonna lose Quin due to money...the Texans are trying to get a competent replacement (one who has true experience)...so this is just fun and games when it's all said and done.

We still have a pretty erratic QB who will impact this team way more than gimpy Ed Reed will. IMO. Look at it that way.
 
b0ng said:
I'll put one more post in this mess of a thread with people slap-fighting about Rick Smith (Which seems to be spilling over into a lot of threads)

Yes, Ed Reed's tackling leaves a lot to be desired, and yes, he doesn't quite have the range to make plays on the ball like he used to. However, he is still a pretty good safety in this league and I believe a secondary of JoJo, KJax (God I can't beleive how much he's improved in a year or two) and Ed Reed is not something that other NFL teams are going to take lightly. Losing Quin does sting, but I think if you can get Reed on a reasonable deal (And I mean that by him making about $4 - $5m tops as the cap hit) then you might as well go for it.
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This is the root of my problem with the potential signing. He's not worth $6M. He's really not worth what you said, except on a 1-2 year deal, which would be fine.
 
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
Ed Reed thrilled GM Rick Smith brought him to Houston for a visit on Bob McNair's jet: "It's that southern hospitality Just a great feeling"
 
Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanfora
Ed Reed has landed in Houston w/ his financial advisors Brad Davis and Brad Schwartz. Texans trying to woo him http://twitpic.com/cbbjxa

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Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
Ed Reed on Texans interest: "It's mutual. See if we can work some things out. Conversations have been great, amazing, on the same page."
 
Gotta agree with eriadoc here. Reed looked O-L-D last year. I have my fingers crossed, but I don't expect him to be an upgrade. Probably a lateral move at best.

If it is only a one year deal, then 5-6 mill wont bother me. Anything longer, and I want to see 3-4 mill per year.
 
eriadoc said:
This is the root of my problem with the potential signing. He's not worth $6M. He's really not worth what you said, except on a 1-2 year deal, which would be fine.
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The Texans did not bring Ed Reed down to Houston to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL so you can probably relax a bit on the "root" of your problem.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm beginning to think you have problems comprehending basic written English. When I say "Glover Quin will never be half the player that Ed Reed was in his prime", what about that leads you to think I have "Quin colored glasses" (whatever the hell that is)? When I say "Ed Reed is one of my all-time favorite players, and probably one of the top two safeties to play this game in my lifetime (Ronnie Lott the other)" in post #148 of this thread, what about that makes you think I am anti-Reed?
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just skimmed over the drivel....

eriadoc said:
Quin was a better player than Ed Reed was this year. That's just plain and simple fact. That says a lot more about Reed's decline and age than it does about Quin, but it is what it is. I also said Quin was not worth the $5M that the Lions gave him. So basic logic here, if Quin is not worth $5M and was a better player than Reed, and Reed has lost a few steps and is getting older, why on Earth would I think Reed is worth $6M? I'm all for Ed Reed coming to play on this team - as a replacement for Shiloh Keo or Troy Nolan, not as a replacement for Quin. For the third time in this thread, use him sparingly and keep him fresh for the playoffs, and I think Ed Reed makes a good addition to the team.
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But your logic is absolutely flawed and here is why, Quinn was better for 1 year, according to some stupid ranking system, Reed better for what, last 11? Reed had 1 less INT last year than Quinn has had in 2 yrs as a Safety, if you want to look at loser stats. If you want to pay for a player that was better for 1 year, than you are not business smart, or about as smart as Al Davis was paying for Larry Brown for his 1 year and SB MVP year. I go by the eye test, and I know I got 20/20 vision, and my eyes tell me Reed is far better now than Quinn, any day of the week, twice on Sunday even at 34-35 years of age.

Ed Reed has a resume, a very good HOF resume. What the F has Glover Quinn ever done? I can easily justify paying Ed Reed 6 mill a year for the next 2-3 years for the simple fact of who he is and what he has done in this league not to mention what he can do as leadership for this defense that seemed to pee pee its pants at the site of elite QB's, that including Glover Quinn. He is an updgrade, even at 34-35, to Glover Quinn in more ways than many.

Not a freaking replacement for Keo...That is just asinine...
 
thunderkyss said:
What did you think of Rod Woodson?
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I remember him best as a returner and CB, and a great one. By the time he got around to playing safety, he was a bit older and the move extended his career. Not that he wasn't a good safety as well; I just remember him as a CB primarily. Lott moved from CB to safety as well, but did so earlier in his career and didn't do it because he'd lost a step. At least, that's how I remember it.

Still, it's picking nits between HOF players. Woodson was the first DB to go into the HOF since Lott, IIRC.
 
I'm surprised by the distance between opinions in this thread, but this is the most fun I've had on Texans Talk since last preseason.
 
BullNation4Life said:
just skimmed over the drivel....
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Well, reading is fundamental, especially if you're going to argue.

But your logic is absolutely flawed and here is why, Quinn was better for 1 year, according to some stupid ranking system ...
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Don't know what ranking system you're referring to and I sure haven't cited one. In fact, I haven't used stats at all in my arguments. Are you familiar with the term "straw man argument"?

... Reed better for what, last 11?
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Deion Sanders was better than Quin's been in his career as well, but I bet he isn't better than Quin right now. The last 11 years don't matter in the NFL.

Reed had 1 less int last year than Quinn has had in 2 as a Safety.
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Ahh, so you dispute whatever stats you were referring to before, but now you're relying on the stats you like. I see. I still haven't used any stats in my argument.

I go by the eye test, and I know I got 20/20 vision, and my eyes tell me Reed is far better now than Quinn, any day of the week, twice on Sunday even at 34-35 years of age.
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Maybe you should get whoever's checking your eyes checked. Because just about everyone agrees that Ed Reed looked old and slow last year. So if your eyes are telling you something different, then your 20/20 only exists in bizarro world.

And if you want to talk about bad business decisions, paying guys like Ahman Green and Eric Moulds in the twilight of their career for things they accomplished with someone else is a terrible business decision.
 
this is a gamble IMO a roll of the dice but o well

i guess it win and win now state of mind
 
“It’s been a great ride,” Reed said about his 11 seasons with the Ravens. “The fan support has been truly amazing – a lot of love and a lot of blood, sweat and tears.

“It’s definitely tough, but after 11 years, you pretty much understand things about the business. After leaving a program like Miami and being around the great people in Baltimore, I think the transition (to his next team) will be all right.”
One of Reed’s best friends is his former Miami teammate, Andre Johnson.

“Andre’s like a little brother to me,” Reed said. “He’s always known that any time he needs anything, he can always call me.
“He hasn’t been recruiting me, but he’s been communicating with me the last 10 years about Houston. I’ve always had a great time here, and I’ve always competed well against (Texans).”
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http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/03/ed-reed-arrives-in-houston-calls-texans-classy/
 
I've read a couple things from the RavensInsider guy on twitter saying Reed wants $6m a year. I'm not sure what to think about that, as it is higher than what I think he would be worth to our team.

I'm not sure the Texans would be willing to offer that either, or that Reed is just getting offers to take back to the Ravens. However, I come back to saying $4 - $5m tops and I feel that should be the top offer to the guy, but if it took $6m to get him to sign. . . I mean it's a whopping $1m more and you're still getting a guy whom you can count on to make a few picks and make QB's still hesitant to throw near or around him. It certainly is a tough call here as the numbers do seem fairly close (In my head anyway, I have no idea what the Texans are actually offering him).

EDIT: Screw it, I'm gonna go roast a bowl and think it over.
 
Reed was and is a better player than glover Quinn. Not even close.

Glover would have been good with reed, but you need at least one safety that can cover deep.

Yeah reed is going to get burned some, give up some big plays. But overall he's going to provide much, much more than Quinn in pass coverage.

I feel a lot better about going into games late in December where it's win or go home and we have to play Brady, manning and now luck x2 with Ed reed vs glover Quinn. I have more confidence in a defense with Ed reed on the back end forcing good qb's into mistakes than I do with glover Quinn.

Solid play is fine, but we need to force turnovers and get big plays. Ed reed has a muuuuuuuuch better shot at being that guy next year than gq.
 
eriadoc said:
Well, reading is fundamental, especially if you're going to argue.



Don't know what ranking system you're referring to and I sure haven't cited one. In fact, I haven't used stats at all in my arguments. Are you familiar with the term "straw man argument"?



Deion Sanders was better than Quin's been in his career as well, but I bet he isn't better than Quin right now. The last 11 years don't matter in the NFL.



Ahh, so you dispute whatever stats you were referring to before, but now you're relying on the stats you like. I see. I still haven't used any stats in my argument.



Maybe you should get whoever's checking your eyes checked. Because just about everyone agrees that Ed Reed looked old and slow last year. So if your eyes are telling you something different, then your 20/20 only exists in bizarro world.

And if you want to talk about bad business decisions, paying guys like Ahman Green and Eric Moulds in the twilight of their career for things they accomplished with someone else is a terrible business decision.
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and your whole argument is based on 1 year of production from Quinn, which is beyond ridiculous. Green and Moulds were no where near the caliber of player as Reed. Period, end of discussion.

compared to the blind man who thinks Quinn is better than Reed because of 1 year, I'd say my vision is just fine...How about you come back to reality like normal folks...

Deion Sanders? WTF are you talking about? Now you are taking asinine to a whole other level. Sanders hasn't been in the league for what 5 years now and didn't even play the same position as Reed and Quinn. Analogy Fail!

You can make all the little smart ass jokes ya want, bottom line is Ed Reed is still better at 34-35 than Quinn is now. 1 year from Quinn does not dispute that fact. Reed will be an upgrade in the fact he is a leader, he has experience facing elite QB's and has a HOF career playing FS.

He may be a little slower, but a slower Ed Reed is still by far better than anything Glover Quinn had to offer.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Seriously? you seriously think after the Raven gut their team, Thanks Joe!, you are gonna have an advantage over the Texans WITH Reed, who knows Flacco's tendencies like the back of his hand...Knows when Smith is going deep... and pretty much what the Baltimore offense does inside and out...


Good luck with that...
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All I'm saying is if you want an expensive FS who doesn't wrap up, then I think you're a year too late in getting your money's worth. $6 Million is the rumored asking price. Isn't that 2/3 of your cap space?

That tendency card works both ways, by the way. Flacco's been practicing against Reed for five years now.
 
Greg Koch ‏@gregkoch1
"@McClain_on_NFL: Ed Reed arrives in Houston, calls #Texans "classy." Also says ride down I45 from Bush to Kirby the most scenic drive ever
 
HoustonRaven said:
All I'm saying is if you want an expensive FS who doesn't wrap up, then I think you're a year too late in getting your money's worth. $6 Million is the rumored asking price. Isn't that 2/3 of your cap space?

That tendency card works both ways, by the way. Flacco's been practicing against Reed for five years now.
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The Texans didn't exactly need Reed in 2012 to make the Ravens look silly. I doubt it's a move specifically designed to target what the Texans can do to the Ravens. I think this is more of an idea that they can make the secondary better (Which I do believe Reed is better in coverage than Quin, even with the disparity in their ages).
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Greg Koch ‏@gregkoch1
"@McClain_on_NFL: Ed Reed arrives in Houston, calls #Texans "classy." Also says ride down I45 from Bush to Kirby the most scenic drive ever
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They don't have billboards every half mile in Baltimore?
 
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