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DW4 Traded to Cleveland
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CloakNNNdagger
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If you ever choose to believe anything that Cabot tells us about Watson. Everyone, medical staff and Watson included were worried that he would have gotten run over had he been allowed to play....................and his injured shoulder would be truly exposed. No one wanted Watson trotted out there and be embarrassed by the D he was about to face. Yeh, Watson knows his body alright...........well enough to avoid the certainty of taking bullets.
I wonder if there will be an excuse for him not going against the stout Raven D. His shoulder will still be wearing a big ole target.
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leebigeztx
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Why would anyone question his toughness on this board? It doesn't matter if anyone like him for what he's done, but to question his toughness is a bit strange. As stated, if you're injured and play poorly, nobody will give a players the injury excuse.
CloakNNNdagger
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I can tell you that having taken care of my share of NFL players, this situation is very questionable. When I didn't clear the player, many did not want to accept the decision. They many times tried to push me to change my decision in every way they could..............because they knew their body. I cannot remember a single example of a player refusing to play after my clearance (which the basis of the decision was always thoroughly discussed prior to becoming officially released)...........because they knew their body. But I do know that some of my fellow physicians have told me that in very exceptional cases where they decided that a player could be cleared, especially a very important player like a QB...........if there was disagreement on the decision on the part of the player who felt he was not ready to play, the matter would always be agreed upon before a final official publicized clearance or non-clearance decision was made.
To @leebigeztx ‘s point. I thought you were leery of team physicians pushing players to play too soon. For example, team doctors have cleared Carr and Burrow to play. However, you would not have cleared them.
So, what is the difference if Burrows or Carr got cleared, showed up and didn’t feel right?
Yep, Cleveland being bad is important to the Texans. Plus the Browns being bad probably means that Derrick is either hurt or bad. Both of which would be icing on the cake.
badboy
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Watson knows his body best... he and 30 other women
CloakNNNdagger
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Burrows and Carr pushed all week like heck to be out there. I can't speak for the team physicians for why they cleared them. Those discussions with agreement between the parties would have been carried out prior to official announcements. If Watson was pushing to not play, certainly his physician would have given him the opportunity to discuss the situation with him........and together decide the final route to take. No way did either party independently make the decision. That's why I would have to say that there is much more to this story. Furthermore, there is no way that either party didn't know the potential outcome of his ability or disability to throw until just prior to game time.
Yep. Maybe Watson and co started the process to get Stefanski removed. He knows it, and his response is to make Watson look bad. He basically came out and said Watson could have played.
TexansBull
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A coach on the hot seat willing to take everyone down with him?
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I question his toughness. It’s tough to be a stand up team leader and model for a community that expects you to act honorably and appreciative of a guaranteed contract that could fund a small town for years. It’s tough to respect the image of a football league that has given you every opportunity in the world to succeed. it’s tough to give a community hope and encouragement at a level that they can never attain but just want to simply attach themselves to something successful in their lives. But it’s not tough to prance around while knowing that the world knows you like to force women to put their fingers in your butt for money.
Yep, everybody knew that at the very least if the Browns didn't make the playoffs that Stefanski would be made the scapegoat. Stefanski will be gone after this season and a minority HC will be hired per Derrick's wishes. But Stefanski is going to throw as much shade as possible on Derrick before he walks out the door. Rightfully so, BOB might also be a candidate for the Browns job.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Perfect. Let the complete destruction of the Browns begin.
I was upfront on the DW4 bus. Loved his play here & hung all my Texans hopes on him & believed in my heart of hearts that he was going to legitimize this clown show.
But after that crap against the Steelers & this "shoulder" thing, youDam right I'm going to question his toughness. Hell, I want to revoke his man card.
I think he's letting this stuff get in his head & he's acting like a child. Speculation on my part, I admit.
He didn't want to face the Ravens because he knew they would rag him much more than the Steelers did
He's always acted like a coddled child. That's his problem.
It's always somebody else's fault if he doesn't succeed. That doesn't even bring up his pervert issues.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Unfortunately, the masseuse misunderstood fists of fury for thumbs of passion....now DW is having issues with balance.
Because it looks like he quit on his current team & they haven't figured out how to present it yet.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
CloakNNNdagger
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They've figured it out..............Now..............It's that the Browns failed to communicate how weak Watson's throws were Sunday. If his throws Sunday were weak, his throws were weak Saturday afternoon. QBs commonly test their arms outside of formal practices. Saturday Watson said that he was ready to go. Overhead athletes' arms/shoulders don't miraculously go from strong to to weak, or too weak to strong in 12 hours. No one's last minute explanation for Watson not playing following medical clearance makes sense. If something unusual occurred from the time of clearance to the time that Watson stated he couldn't go.............the medical clearance could/would be rescinded...........it wasn't.
Mr teX
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lol, you’re reading a WHOLE lot into it from what u posted & as usual, off base.
Reality of it is this. This is the 1st year really that the browns have a legit chance to win the division under Stefanski….& he’s feeling the pressure. The Steelers aren’t good, the Bengals look like crap and the Ravens are injured as hell and really aren’t that good either. Stefanski also isn’t well liked in Cleveland and there'd been some thoughts that maybe DTR would be able to replace DW4…he was the preseason darling……..well his performance Sunday shows he’s no where close to being a suitable replacement for DW4…..So rather than him just own the fact that he’s all out of moves and say the typical coach speak “we need to play better” nonsense, he’s choosing to low key take a shot at DW4…basically trying to say he needs him to keep his job without actually saying that.
Fans have soured on Stefanski & he’s not long for the job…he will likely be gone after this year if either 1 of the following scenarios happens…
they don’t make the playoffs
They make it but get boat-raced or he makes some type of bone-headed call or game plan that costs his team the game.
CloakNNNdagger
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There’s an interesting contrast between Kevin Stefanski’s comments on Deshaun Watson, David Njoku
By Mike Florio
Published October 3, 2023 06:49 PM
Browns coach Kevin Stefanski might not have intended to send the message, but the message is unmistakable.
There’s a contrast between his comments about quarterback Deshaun Watson and tight end David Njoku. Stefanski has said Watson was medically cleared to play despite a shoulder injury, but decided not to. And Stefanski has praised Njoku as a “warrior” for playing with burns on his face and arm.
Yes, Stefanski defended Watson’s decision. Stefanski said that Watson “knows his body,” that he has “played through serious pain before . . . very, very serious injuries.”
“It wasn’t a matter of pain tolerance or anything. He just did not feel like he had his full faculties,” Stefanski said.
Still, why even get into any of the details? Just call it a “collective decision,” as the team did on Sunday in response to an inquiry from PFT. Either Stefanski didn’t realize the manner in which his comment would be interpreted, or he did. Throw in the kudos to Njoku for playing with burns on his face, and there’s definitely a message.
The other wrinkle is this. Watson said on Friday that he’d play. Teammates apparently believed he’d play. When, despite having medical clearance, he didn’t, teammates might have been confused.
For most players, medical clearance is the only green light that matters. Even if they don’t have their “full faculties,” they play. In any given week, multiple players on most teams don’t have their “full faculties.” They play anyway.
Then there’s the question of whether backup quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson truly was ready to go. He took extra practice reps because Watson was limited throughout the week. But if Watson was saying he would play, did the rookie really think that, come Sunday morning, Watson would do otherwise?
This isn’t about what anyone outside the Browns organization thinks. This is about what the players in the locker room think. And there’s a message from Stefanski that could be a reflection of what they think, whether Stefanski meant to send that message to the world or not.
By Mike Florio
Published October 3, 2023 06:49 PM
Browns coach Kevin Stefanski might not have intended to send the message, but the message is unmistakable.
There’s a contrast between his comments about quarterback Deshaun Watson and tight end David Njoku. Stefanski has said Watson was medically cleared to play despite a shoulder injury, but decided not to. And Stefanski has praised Njoku as a “warrior” for playing with burns on his face and arm.
Yes, Stefanski defended Watson’s decision. Stefanski said that Watson “knows his body,” that he has “played through serious pain before . . . very, very serious injuries.”
“It wasn’t a matter of pain tolerance or anything. He just did not feel like he had his full faculties,” Stefanski said.
Still, why even get into any of the details? Just call it a “collective decision,” as the team did on Sunday in response to an inquiry from PFT. Either Stefanski didn’t realize the manner in which his comment would be interpreted, or he did. Throw in the kudos to Njoku for playing with burns on his face, and there’s definitely a message.
The other wrinkle is this. Watson said on Friday that he’d play. Teammates apparently believed he’d play. When, despite having medical clearance, he didn’t, teammates might have been confused.
For most players, medical clearance is the only green light that matters. Even if they don’t have their “full faculties,” they play. In any given week, multiple players on most teams don’t have their “full faculties.” They play anyway.
Then there’s the question of whether backup quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson truly was ready to go. He took extra practice reps because Watson was limited throughout the week. But if Watson was saying he would play, did the rookie really think that, come Sunday morning, Watson would do otherwise?
This isn’t about what anyone outside the Browns organization thinks. This is about what the players in the locker room think. And there’s a message from Stefanski that could be a reflection of what they think, whether Stefanski meant to send that message to the world or not.
Your head coach doesn’t come out and say a guy could have played but chose not to unless there is animosity.
badboy
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What does this have to do with DeShaun Watson being medically cleared to play and then not playing?
Mr teX
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bit that’s not what he said…at least from the link you posted.
Then there’s the post game press conference.
There’s just a lot of reaching in here for things you guys WANT to be the truth and the logic, facts and eternal truths about life in the NFL just doesn’t jive with that……..b/c at the end of it all, Winning ball games is the only thing that matters
Stefankski’s offenses have been circling the drain since that year Cleveland made the playoffs 3 years ago….not a good look for an offensive-minded HC
And as of right now, DW4 is his most valuable offensive asset.
Stefanski has been failing long before DW4 arrived and what we know is the Browns went out & got DW4 strictly b/c of Stefanski’s failures.
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badboy
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I wonder how Cleveland's offensive line feels about Watson's decision? I'm thinking he needs to take them on a short trip to Mexico for jet ski.
Mr teX
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If the insinuation in this thread by some is that Stefanski doesn’t like DW4 and was upset that he didn’t play even though he was medically cleared…..then it has everything to do with it. The division is very winnable for the browns & You don’t come out and send subliminal shots at the guy you KNOW u need to win games to win the division & get in the playoffs……which Stefanski clearly does……especially with Chubb going down.
leebigeztx
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My uncle did the same with nfl and mlb players, I'm not disputing that, but as we've witnessed a guy failing a physical at one place, but passes at another. The doctors are to get you on the field, doesn't mean you're at optimal performance. Look at Kenyon Green as an example. To me, his transgressions deserve to be ridiculed and mocked. All the negative press he gets, he deserves. I will never question his willingness and want to play or his toughness. He was sacked alot here, beat up, busted lung, and whatever else.
Mr teX
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Stefanski confirmed he did everything he could to try to go, he just didn’t feel like he “could be the guy we needed him to be…”…so he sat out.
CloakNNNdagger
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You are correct. When you look at these examples, most indeed are ones that fail with one team and pass with another. It is much more exceptional that one team passes the player and then the other team doesn't. The former example many times has an ulterior team motive for not wanting the player for whatever reason to begin with. As I've said before, I'm not impressed with team doctors' duty to look after the best health interests and protect their player patients.
As concerns Watson, with his long history of manipulation and dishonesty, it should not surprise anyone that Watson's honesty regarding the present situation comes into serious question. His toughness cannot easily be questioned, but Watson is not used to failure and does not do well with criticism. With his performance since coming back except for 1 game being at best mundane, no doubt he was looking at the Ravens scarey defense/pass rush..............it was a strong formula for a failure. It should be evident that Watson's make up has a much stronger fear of being seen as a failure than of being injured or playing injured.
At this point, Watson doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. However, if a QB misses practice, then practices and doesn’t throw a pass over 10 yards or fully test his shoulder. I’m not sure what you can expect on game day when he tries to fully test his shoulder.
Anyway, the season is still young and I’m sure he will provide more fodder for this thread and even bigger belly laughs.
The question I have is why did the Browns decide to go with a 5th round rookie QB who looked good against vanilla defenses and scrubs in preseason? Now that’s something to laugh at the Browns.
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CloakNNNdagger
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The Browns have reported that Watson's injury is a simple shoulder contusion. Although not confirmed by the team, Watson when interviewed Sunday made a passing remark that his shoulder had developed fluid. That goes along with what I originally posted.............a deep shoulder bruise involving the rotator cuff/ Both a rotator cuff or bursa direct trauma which he definitely sustained could account for this fluid..........not a simple shoulder bruise.
With that likely analysis. In your opinion. Should/could he have played a week after suffering that injury?
CloakNNNdagger
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I already addressed this after the injury in the NFL section.
After reading this post, keep in mind that in the past, with injuries worse than the one now in question that put him at further risk (ACL/rib fracture/punctured lung) for extended and/or new injuries.........he was cleared to play and ignored significant risks in order to play. Those questionable decisions were undoubtedly made in tandem with the medical staffs.
To date, the team has avoided criticizing, questioning or even addressing their medical staff's evaluation/clearance decision.
Many a QB, as I know you know well, "know their body" and know that they cannot perform to how they normally would expect.............but still play injured. Anyone would have known that the rookie backup QB, hope after hope, would have not had any realistic chance of being successful against the Ravens defense. Again, everything points to Watson not playing not mainly because of fear of injury (although with the Ravens pass rush, that was undoubtedly on his mind)..............but foremost because of his egotistical fear of looking bad after just having had only one commendable performance under his belt since his joining the Browns.
Poor guy, having his career ruined by an overrated pervert.
Browns getting what they deserve for getting in bed with the quitting POS towel boy. Couldn't happen to better people than the Haslam's. LMAO, was this outcome really that hard to predict?
Stefanski was likely gone the minute the Haslam's traded for this POS.
Great attempt to deflect.
Either he was cleared to play or not.
Bottom line is he quit on his teammates again even if Stefanski was the worst HC ever, which he's not. Stefanski will just be the latest HC that this POS quit on and the next HC after Stefanski will suffer the same fate. This POS is a coach killer and this outcome was totally predictable.
BTW, you're right, with that defense and injuries within that division the Browns should win that division by 3-4 games. They wont because of their overrated POS QB. Maybe he can go get a massage down in Cabo to recharge his batteries during the bye week. Insert jokes/fingers here.
TexansBull
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I am Stefanski felt the same way about Baker when he played hurt his last season.
That’s the comparison to me - Baker (Healthy) vs Watson. Who did/does better?
Well, we know Hopkins chose to play elsewhere than play with Watson.
Also, was Stefanksi really ever on the Watson train? Of course not. That was Jimmy H. You can also say this would be the second stop where Watson has had problems with either a coach or ownership, so it’s not just Stefanski.
Mr teX
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And yet before the Browns Titans game DW4 and Nuk are seen pre-game dapping and hugging each other like bros.
Watson has done nothing but play and took the blame and criticism about his play when it was appropriate. Stefanski on the other hand is holding press conferences trying to low key blame his hurt qb b/c his team just got pile-driven by a division rival where his offense looked overmatched and his back up qb looked like a deer in headlights.
He’s reaching & trying to deflect blame from himself b/c he’s feeling the pressure.
As the supposed leader of the team, that’s weak on his part and the same **** BoB used to do when he was here..blaming Easterby/Cal for moves HE ultimately wanted/made or at a minimum supported when they went south.
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TexansBull
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That doesn’t mean anything. The Texan’s owner’s husband gave DW a handshake pregame in his return to Houston. Doesn’t mean they are on good terms.
The owner turned her back though. You know how she feels.
Mr teX
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Yeah I don’t even think THAT was what it was made out to be on here…
As far as those two it wasn’t a fleeting polite thing & players don’t have to be polite to each other like players and owners …these 2 dudes stood around talking for a good second like they were catching up.
When it came down to it, Nuk went where the most money was..
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I agree. We also remember Baker playing with a bum shoulder and didn't play well. Your tape is your tape. Nobody will excuse you from playing poorly if you're injured.
CloakNNNdagger
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Why Browns' Deshaun Watson reportedly aggravated teammates
By Zac Wassink | Last updated 10/5/23
It appears Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson irritated some teammates by not playing with a bruised throwing shoulder during this past Sunday's 28-3 home loss to the Baltimore Ravens.
"He was adamant to everyone in the building he was going to play Sunday and the Browns took him at his word," Jason Lloyd of The Athletic said about Watson in a piece published Thursday. "Players I spoke to after the game were aggravated Watson didn’t play after he assured everyone all week he would."
Watson struggled through his pregame warmup before he was made inactive against Baltimore, and head coach Kevin Stefanski told reporters earlier this week the 28-year-old "knows his body" and "just did not feel like he had his full faculties." Dorian Thompson-Robinson largely looked like an unready rookie playing in Watson's place, as the fifth-round draft pick completed 19-of-36 passes for 121 yards with no touchdowns and three interceptions in the defeat that dropped Cleveland to 2-2 heading into the club's bye.
"Had Watson simply said, 'This really hurts. I’ll do my best but I’m not sure,' I believe the week of preparation and the fallout from Watson not playing would have been much, much different," Lloyd wrote.
Per Josh Alper of Pro Football Talk, Browns general manager Andrew Berry insisted on Wednesday that everyone involved was "optimistic" Watson would play against Baltimore until "it became obvious (during the pregame warmup) to all of us that he couldn’t throw or drive the ball well enough to perform in the game." Berry also said at that time he expects Watson will "be ready to go" when the Browns face the San Francisco 49ers at Cleveland Browns Stadium on Oct. 15.
4-0 San Francisco hosts the 3-1 Dallas Cowboys this Sunday night.
"Just because players were upset after the game doesn’t mean the season is over or they’ve turned on their quarterback, it means the messaging could have been better and should be in the future," Lloyd added.
What's done is done, and the Browns will need everybody on the same page when they take on what may be the NFL's best team in Week 6.
By Zac Wassink | Last updated 10/5/23
It appears Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson irritated some teammates by not playing with a bruised throwing shoulder during this past Sunday's 28-3 home loss to the Baltimore Ravens.
"He was adamant to everyone in the building he was going to play Sunday and the Browns took him at his word," Jason Lloyd of The Athletic said about Watson in a piece published Thursday. "Players I spoke to after the game were aggravated Watson didn’t play after he assured everyone all week he would."
Watson struggled through his pregame warmup before he was made inactive against Baltimore, and head coach Kevin Stefanski told reporters earlier this week the 28-year-old "knows his body" and "just did not feel like he had his full faculties." Dorian Thompson-Robinson largely looked like an unready rookie playing in Watson's place, as the fifth-round draft pick completed 19-of-36 passes for 121 yards with no touchdowns and three interceptions in the defeat that dropped Cleveland to 2-2 heading into the club's bye.
"Had Watson simply said, 'This really hurts. I’ll do my best but I’m not sure,' I believe the week of preparation and the fallout from Watson not playing would have been much, much different," Lloyd wrote.
Per Josh Alper of Pro Football Talk, Browns general manager Andrew Berry insisted on Wednesday that everyone involved was "optimistic" Watson would play against Baltimore until "it became obvious (during the pregame warmup) to all of us that he couldn’t throw or drive the ball well enough to perform in the game." Berry also said at that time he expects Watson will "be ready to go" when the Browns face the San Francisco 49ers at Cleveland Browns Stadium on Oct. 15.
4-0 San Francisco hosts the 3-1 Dallas Cowboys this Sunday night.
"Just because players were upset after the game doesn’t mean the season is over or they’ve turned on their quarterback, it means the messaging could have been better and should be in the future," Lloyd added.
What's done is done, and the Browns will need everybody on the same page when they take on what may be the NFL's best team in Week 6.
He wasn't criminally prosecuted because sexual assault cases are notoriously hard to convict according to all criminal court statistics.
He was prosecuted, though. He was found guilty by a court of public opinion and he readily paid the women prosecuting him instead of trying to clear his name in a court of law.
I don't care about his perverted personal life.
My take is he showed his true colors of being a quitter four months after signing a massive contract extension. Yeah yeah, his sycophants got pocketfuls of excuses, but show me another top QB that quit months after negotiating his mega deal.
The Browns knew what they were getting because Watson already showed the world his true nature. Now he's gotten paid and obviously lacks the ambition and drive that motivated him in Houston. I hope he keeps it up. Texans pick next year gets better with every negative impact he brings to the Browns.
CloakNNNdagger
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And that is after he so strongly swore that he would clear his name in a court of law.
Only a few examples.>>>>>>>>>>>
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Deshaun Watson: "I just want to clear my name"
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Mar 17, 2021 — Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson said in a Twitter statement late Tuesday night he is looking forward to clearing his name.
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Deshaun Watson Insists 'I Never Assaulted Any Woman'
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › 2022/03/25 › sports › football
Mar 25, 2022 — “I have never done the things that these people are alleging, and I am going to continue to fight for my name and clear my name,” Watson said.
Deshaun Watson wants to fight to clear his name
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Nov 8, 2022 — While Deshaun Watson was questioned about the accusations that have followed him for more than a year, he claimed his innocence. Watson said: "I ...
Cleveland Browns' Deshaun Watson settles 20 of 24 ...
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Jun 21, 2022 — Last week, Watson said he intended to clear his name and sidestepped any questions about whether he would settle with any of the women.
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