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The Browns sold their souls to sign Deshaun Watson. The results are not pretty

Cleveland gave up $230m, three first-round draft picks and their dignity for the quarterback. They’ve been rewarded with one of the league’s biggest flops

www.theguardian.com

The Browns sold their souls to sign Deshaun Watson. The results are not pretty

Cleveland gave up $230m, three first-round draft picks and their dignity for the quarterback. They’ve been rewarded with one of the league’s biggest flops
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
A must-read. It includes this>>

Sorry, that’s incorrect. After all, Watson assured the media after the game, “There was no contact with the ref.” My mistake, the contact was with the umpire; the ref was just the guy he was screaming at. That’s the kind of legal nuance you pick up on when you’ve had to settle 30 lawsuits with women accusing you of everything from forced groping to forced oral sex.
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Deshaun Watson rewards Cleveland Browns by also being awful on the field
The QB accused of more than 20 incidents of sexual misconduct threw a pick-6 and had 2 facemask penalties in a loss to rival Pittsburgh Steelers
By
Julie DiCaro
PublishedWednesday 1:00PM
 
Watson returned to start the final 6 games in 2022, but finished with a Total QBR of 40.4, which ranked 6th worst among starting quarterbacks.

Through 2 games this season, Watson ranks 30th among starting quarterbacks in Total QBR (29.3) and is last in the league in passing EPA (-1.7).
 
Man I could not foresee Watson playing this horrible after the trade. He really looked pretty good for the Texans, I haven’t actually watched the browns at all so not sure what is happening differently. I hope they start him all year for the Texans best chance of a high draft pick.


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pirbroke said:
Man I could not foresee Watson playing this horrible after the trade. He really looked pretty good for the Texans, I haven’t actually watched the browns at all so not sure what is happening differently. I hope they start him all year for the Texans best chance of a high draft pick.


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Maybe sitting out 2 years, traveling to Europe between depositions, isn't great for your football career?
 
I had the Browns as a 6-11 team before the season, and nothing's changed in my eyes. While this division may not be as good as previously advertized, the Browns should still wind up in last place in the AFC North.
 
When you have Stroud training with the WRs right before TC and Watson taking his offense on a vacation instead of doing the same thing, I knew it wasn’t going to end well. It seems once Watson got paid, football has been the last thing on his mind.
 
santo said:
When you have Stroud training with the WRs right before TC and Watson taking his offense on a vacation instead of doing the same thing, I knew it wasn’t going to end well. It seems once Watson got paid, football has been the last thing on his mind.
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Not the same player. Not as instinctual, as quick twitched, as poised. I'm no expert in this, but he doesn't even look the same in his facial expressions or the way he moves. Like he's walking around with a 200 lb boulder on his back. Just different, totally different.
 
Lucky said:
Not the same player. Not as instinctual, as quick twitched, as poised. I'm no expert in this, but he doesn't even look the same in his facial expressions or the way he moves. Like he's walking around with a 200 lb boulder on his back. Just different, totally different.
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That 200lb boulder might be his conscience weighing on him.
 
Lucky said:
Not the same player. Not as instinctual, as quick twitched, as poised. I'm no expert in this, but he doesn't even look the same in his facial expressions or the way he moves. Like he's walking around with a 200 lb boulder on his back. Just different, totally different.
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I see it the same way. Maybe he's coasting because he got all that guaranteed money and thinks his talent will save him. Or maybe his quiet quitting :lol:

He's getting skewered by the media, I saw a segment on TV the other day and they were bashing his play big time, it was well deserved. How long until he demands a trade lol.
 
Lucky said:
Not the same player. Not as instinctual, as quick twitched, as poised. I'm no expert in this, but he doesn't even look the same in his facial expressions or the way he moves. Like he's walking around with a 200 lb boulder on his back. Just different, totally different.
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I agree. He doesn't look like the same guy in any way. I do think this whole thing has taken its toll on his psyche.

I'm also of the opinion that BOB may have gotten more out of Watson than I gave him credit for. He let DW be DW.

It seems to me that Sefanski is trying to tame a wild mustang. They are taking the hero ball out of him, and that's his game.

I think if this has any chance of working, they need to go back to square one. Look at his Texans tape and build the offense around those concepts.
 
Porky said:
I agree. He doesn't look like the same guy in any way. I do think this whole thing has taken its toll on his psyche.

I'm also of the opinion that BOB may have gotten more out of Watson than I gave him credit for. He let DW be DW.
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Bring out of football for two years has hurt him too.
 
TexansBull said:
Bring out of football for two years has hurt him too.
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While being out of football for a while is not ideal, his mechanics are off. Anyone who works with Quincy Avery, does not look good for very long. Also, when you do bad things and not sure if you have silenced ALL of the accusations (he hasn’t), he’s constantly going to be thinking about if his entire assaultive behavior is ever completely found out. He will never have peace, and every single game he will hear about it from defenses.
 
Lucky said:
Not the same player. Not as instinctual, as quick twitched, as poised. I'm no expert in this, but he doesn't even look the same in his facial expressions or the way he moves. Like he's walking around with a 200 lb boulder on his back. Just different, totally different.
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He knows that he cannot live up to his ridiculous contract!
 
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Porky said:
I agree. He doesn't look like the same guy in any way. I do think this whole thing has taken its toll on his psyche.

I'm also of the opinion that BOB may have gotten more out of Watson than I gave him credit for. He let DW be DW.

It seems to me that Sefanski is trying to tame a wild mustang. They are taking the hero ball out of him, and that's his game.

I think if this has any chance of working, they need to go back to square one. Look at his Texans tape and build the offense around those concepts.
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That argument that you've made at the end doesn't hold water. He is now a big part of this game planning and play calling. All the bad that is going on now points right back to him.
 
Porky said:
No question. But I really thought that was the excuse for last year, and he'd make a big jump with a normal offseason and training camp, etc.

It's early still and not ruling out a big jump...but I really doubt it. I think the die is cast and he's toast.
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You never make up for lost time. Unless you are training while other people are on vacation.

He was on vacation while others were training.

The HC will be fired and will be the target for all the blame. A new HC will come in. Maybe Bieniemy to get the most out of Watson.
 
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Re. Watson's shoulder injury>>>>

"Do I have to?" Stefanski said when asked if he could provide details on Watson's ailment. "What do they do in hockey? Whatever it says on the injury report, I'll go with that."
 
If he does try to play, I'll be encouraging to Run, Forest, Run..................

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Report: Game-time decision for Deshaun Watson (shoulder)
Published September 30, 2023 09:23 PM

Officially, Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson is questionable for Sunday’s game against the Ravens, with a shoulder injury. Watson has said he’ll play. But, at the end of the day, he might not be the one who makes the decision.

According to James Palmer of NFL Media, Watson’s availability will be determined at game time.

The “expectation” is that he should be able to play.
A final decision will be made during pregame warmups.

Watson’s status will be the most important of the early-game inactives. Even if he’s in uniform, there’s a chance the Browns will have both Dorian Thompson-Robinson and P.J. Walker on the active roster, in the event Watson aggravates the injury.

Watson had arguably his best day as a Brown in a Week 3 win over the Titans, just six days after a rough night in Pittsburgh.
 
Watson, as I expected, is ruled out for today's game. The internet medical injury experts all stated that his shoulder was a simple superficial shoulder soft tissue bruise.............that there was no rotator cuff or labrum damage.........and therefore he would play. Watching the play in which he was injured, as I originally stated, it was a perfect mechanism for a rotator cuff deep shoulder bruise..........and even if he tried to play, he would be significantly negatively affected and could extend his injury.
 
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...orian-thompson-robinson-will-start-for-browns
Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson will miss today’s game with a right shoulder injury.
Watson took part in pregame warmups, threw a few short passes, consulted with team medical staffers and coaches, and walked off the field. Shortly after, multiple reports said Watson will be inactive today.
With Watson out, rookie Dorian Thompson-Robinson will get the first start of his NFL career. Thompson-Robinson, a fifth-round draft pick, impressed in the preseason, and now he’ll get a chance to show what he can do in a very big AFC North battle against the Ravens.
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The rookie looked good in the preseason, let's see how he does when it counts.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Watson, as I expected, is ruled out for today's game. The internet medical injury experts all stated that his shoulder was a simple superficial shoulder soft tissue bruise.............that there was no rotator cuff or labrum damage.........and therefore he would play. Watching the play in which he was injured, as I originally stated, it was a perfect mechanism for a rotator cuff deep shoulder bruise..........and even if he tried to play, he would be significantly negatively affected and could extend his injury.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1708882919123570749

Seems to be trouble brewing
 
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