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DW4 Traded to Cleveland

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Number19 said:
Didn't you read his last sentence. He said "teams", plural. If Watson waves the ntc for both NO and Carolina, then the Texans can choose which of the two to go with. Correct?
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Correct.

It has to be a team that: 1- He wants to play for and will waive his no trade clause. 2- That the Texans feel give them a deal in picks and players to make it valuable to them. Unless both happen, no trade would likely happen.
 
wildroot said:
They need to drop in about 3 2nds to make up for those low 1st round picks. I wouldn't do the trade. A young franchise QB for 3 middle of the round Firsts....nope!
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Didn't Caserio say he wanted multiple guys on their 1st contract?

That means a guy like Ruiz /Turner would have to be in the deal and probably a guy like Ramczyk to make the money work.

BTW, Give me Travis Jones at #18 in this scenario.
 
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Htown Legend said:
Aaron Wilson on Twitter spaces gave some insight tonight on how this trade process is working out. I don’t want to quote him incorrectly but from what I’ve gathered- each team has submitted a trade offer to come to the table to meet with Watson. A trade offer that Nick finds suitable. Once Deshaun meets with the teams, he will choose which team(s) he wants- and Nick will hammer out the final details on the trade based off the original proposal from the acquiring team. The parameters are in place.

Side note: an Indy guy(not sure how credible) is reporting that IF Deshaun were to choose Cleveland- that Cleveland would ship Baker Mayfield to Indy for their 1st rd pick and that the Indy AND the Cleveland 1st rd pick would be part of the Cleveland package.
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Oooooh. Me likey.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Still kind of weird to see a fanbase being so hyped to trade the best QB in their history, and probably the 3rd or 4th best player in franchise history. Dude needs to go, obviously, but there was an undercurrent of that before all the sex stuff.
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Well, that's all on Watson. Before the sex stuff, he's the one who said he wanted out, 4 months after signing a mega deal. He may be right in that the Texans were a horrible organization that he didn't want to work for, but if that's the case, he knew that before taking their money. Sucks for us fans, but **** him.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Still kind of weird to see a fanbase being so hyped to trade the best QB in their history, and probably the 3rd or 4th best player in franchise history. Dude needs to go, obviously, but there was an undercurrent of that before all the sex stuff.
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He’s a freaking quitter who said he will never play another down for the Texans. So heck yeah I’m hyped to get rid of that clown boy. And imo he didn’t play here long enough to be one of the best.
 
Yeah, good riddance to him. I get someone like JJ Watt, who is at the end, wanting out to have a final chance at winning. And the Texans did the right thing and gave him that chance. Watson, on the other hand, still has plenty of years left to help turn things around and started griping after a bad stretch and after recently signing a contract. How about having some confidence in yourself that you can be a/the major part in making the team a winner. Show some pride.
 
cdollaz said:
Yeah, I would rather they sit, and pay him than to let him make a chump out of them. If he wants to screw the team over, then they can screw his career over and he can sit on his ass for the peak years of his career.
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Assuming the reports are true, The Texans have already gotten offers that the organization deem acceptable before allowing Watson to speak to teams. There is no sitting on Watson in 2022.
 
Texansballer74 said:
He’s a freaking quitter who said he will never play another down for the Texans. So heck yeah I’m hyped to get rid of that clown boy. And imo he didn’t play here long enough to be one of the best.
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I think he is kind of an automatic 4th, behind JJ, AJ, and DHop. Maybe you could argue Mario or Duane Brown.

Didn't Cal promise him coach and GM stuff, before going back on all of it after the deal? I forgot, since it seems like ages ago, before the specter of all the sex stuff.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Still kind of weird to see a fanbase being so hyped to trade the best QB in their history, and probably the 3rd or 4th best player in franchise history. Dude needs to go, obviously, but there was an undercurrent of that before all the sex stuff.
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Well, I liked the guy and was excited to see if he would live up to his potential.

Then he got sand in his vagina and cried like organization refused to give lower massages and tried to force their hand
 
The1ApplePie said:
Didn't Cal promise him coach and GM stuff, before going back on all of it after the deal? I forgot, since it seems like ages ago, before the specter of all the sex stuff.
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One day, someone will write a story exposing the behind-the-scenes machinations.

And then half the people won't believe it because it contradicts a 4th party account or doesn't fit their agenda.
 
These media reports are like a feeding frenzy. They are taking bites of speculation, broadcasting/tweeting it and hoping they are right. Can you imagine if this was last year without the allegations, before the draft and more QB needy teams with the draft capital? It would have been nuts.
 
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KA4Texan said:
Well, I liked the guy and was excited to see if he would live up to his potential.

Then he got sand in his vagina and cried like organization refused to give lower massages and tried to force their hand
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Lucky said:
One day, someone will write a story exposing the behind-the-scenes machinations.

And then half the people won't believe it because it contradicts a 4th party account or doesn't fit their agenda.
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IDK what was promised but Cal did apologize to DW4. I don't think he was apologizing for nothing.
 
Earl34 said:
Can you imagine if this was last year without the allegations, before the draft and more QB needy teams with the draft capital? It would have been nuts.
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It couldn't have lasted until the draft due to the money involved. It would have happened around the start of the new league year, when teams still had cap space available. Just like this year.
 
Speedy said:
I would have no problem with that. In fact I'd prefer it.
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I'm OK with Walker at #3, you know because it's Lovie's team.

At #18 I would draft Devonte Wyatt or Jordan Davis because you know it Lovie's team and Lovie said the defense lives and dies with the defensive line.

If I'm going WR it's Skyy Moore with pick #37. Sky had a 1.38 10 yd split. That's a step and half separation speed.

This is based on Walker, Wyatt, Jodan 225 lift. If they do 30 or + they're in. If they do < than 25 they're out and it's back to the drawing board.

Lovie is drooling: PFF Draft on Twitter: "Devonte Wyatt is SWERVIN’💨 🎥: @BillyM_91 https://t.co/5JQeK0fXQR" / Twitter
 
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Lucky said:
One day, someone will write a story exposing the behind-the-scenes machinations.

And then half the people won't believe it because it contradicts a 4th party account or doesn't fit their agenda.
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Depends on who writes it. Nobody knows all sides of the coin so it will just add to the crap pile.
 
Texian said:
This is based on Walker, Wyatt, Jodan 225 lift. If they do 30 or + they're in. If they do < than 25 they're out and it's back to the drawing board.
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Well, at least you're consistent in your traits evaluation.
 
Speedy said:
The Texans don't have to trade him. If he wants to play again anytime soon, I think the Texans have a little more power than some think they do.
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We're not at that stage of the negotiations. Right now, Watson may be able to dictate more control. After the first firm offer with Watson waving the NTC (this could come late today or tomorrow), if Caserio doesn't like it and if Watson is being obstinate, at that time Caserio may play the card you suggest. Hopefully it doesn't come to this.
 
The1ApplePie said:
I think he is kind of an automatic 4th, behind JJ, AJ, and DHop. Maybe you could argue Mario or Duane Brown.

Didn't Cal promise him coach and GM stuff, before going back on all of it after the deal? I forgot, since it seems like ages ago, before the specter of all the sex stuff.
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That was an excuse for him to pull off the crap he’s doing now.
 
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Texian said:
IDK what was promised but Cal did apologize to DW4. I don't think he was apologizing for nothing.
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Yeah, and I've apologized to women I was with not even knowing what they were upset about just to shut them up.

Doesn't mean I did something wrong EVERY time but that it was perceived as wrong by them.

Maybe he apologized for the misunderstanding, maybe he apologized to shut him up or the PR. Only they really know.

The bottom line is, there is a right and wrong way to handle things... if these "promises" were so vital to his happiness here, DW should have made sure it was in his contract, or more so his agent should have. (They nade sure there was the NTC). Then he would be protected legally.

Crying about it after the fact and being passive aggressive about it just makes him a vagina.
 
Earl34 said:
These media reports are like a feeding frenzy. They are taking bites of speculation, broadcasting/tweeting it and hoping they are right. Can you imagine if this was last year without the allegations, before the draft and more QB needy teams with the draft capital? It would have been nuts.
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Bro they are lazy ash bunkers these days. Now they are spinning what Baker said and drawing up these trade scenarios. Off the chains
 
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TheMatrix31 said:
Now players in other teams are recruiting him? That's allowed with someone under contract?
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Watson appears to be so special that many of the rules and traditional customs of the NFL don't seem to apply to him.

He should be ostracized for quitting on the organization just a few months after signing a mega-deal with a guaranteed $110 million, but instead he's got an army of sycophants that are blaming the owner for all of it.

Never mind the 22 lawsuits and his abhorrent private life behavior up to that point, he's apparently a stand-up young man and shame on the billionaire owner for not letting him choose the GM and HC.

Texian said:
Technically Watson could waive his NTC for only one team after all the interviews. The Texans could tell Watson they want his Top 2 or 3 teams he would waive his NTC but Watson does not have to oblige.
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He could, but Nick already has acceptable trade proposals from any team that interviews him. So Watson could pick one team, but if that team tries to water down their previous offer, Nick could invoke his own no trade clause.

The1ApplePie said:
I think he is kind of an automatic 4th, behind JJ, AJ, and DHop. Maybe you could argue Mario or Duane Brown.

Didn't Cal promise him coach and GM stuff, before going back on all of it after the deal? I forgot, since it seems like ages ago, before the specter of all the sex stuff.
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It was alleged, but never confirmed by either side. And there is also insider speculation that Watson's private life was directly influencing his desire to leave H-town, as well. That makes more sense to me because he probably thought he could run away to another city to avoid scrutiny of his sketchy private life.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Assuming the reports are true, The Texans have already gotten offers that the organization deem acceptable before allowing Watson to speak to teams. There is no sitting on Watson in 2022.
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According to NFL live today it doesn’t sound like the Texans are getting trade offers at this point. They only allow DW to talk to a team after they convey their trade parameters. The details are yet to be worked out.
 
Lots of moving and shaking going on here it seems. My wild prediction - he picks the Falcons and the Falcons turn and trade Ryan to the Colts for a 2nd in 2022 (#42). That gives Atlanta #8, #42, #43, #58. We take #8, #42, #58, and their 2023 and 2024 1st round picks and CB AJ Terrell. No Kyle Pitts. In the 2022 NFL draft we'd have #3, #8, #37, #42, #58, #68. 6 picks in the top 68 plus 2 future 1s and a stud young CB that would have 3 years left on his rookie deal if we exercise his 5th year option. That should jump start us! The more I think about it, I feel Atlanta has the most to offer us besides Carolina. NO has the sorriest first round pick to give us in 2022 so that is inevitably what we will get because #Texans lol.
 
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Dejaview said:
According to NFL live today it doesn’t sound like the Texans are getting trade offers at this point. They only allow DW to talk to a team after they convey their trade parameters. The details are yet to be worked out.
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Everything in print has talked actual offers, versus kinda sort of offers. Either way, the Texans are not just playing the auction game with four teams.
 
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