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DW4 Traded to Cleveland

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vtech9 said:
Why not both? Let's get WD40 out of here, but also be greedy, and get that #13 too. We could in turn take that #13 and trade for one of the top young CB's. Or instead of Cleveland's #13, get either Chubb, Njoku, or Garrett combined with a lower pick from Cleveland.
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Need I remind Texans fans that Atlanta put the screws to the Texans in the Matt Schaub trade. After the teams agreed to (2) twos for Schaub, Atlanta came back at the very last minute and said, Oh BTW we need to swap our #10 pick with your #8 pick if we want to make this happen.

Time to return the favor.
 
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Number19 said:
Watson's cap hit just doesn't seem correct. Spotrac has his cap at $40M, with $35M being base salary and $5M being signing bonus. The base salary should transfer to the trade as it is partner. The Texans would be responsible for the signing bonus. This is my understanding which could be wrong. And my question is, where does that $51M dead cap come from?

Can one of you cap experts chime in?
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Far from expert but my take as simple as I can say it: his cap hit is $40.4. Dead $51.2 and base $35 as you say. The transfer of $35 to receiving team impacts cap but NOT dead $ as it was GTD by Houston so dead stays dead (LOL). The "process" allows Texans to subtract from the $51.2 the prorated remaining bonus $16.2 as it was paid already to DW which is Houston responsibility. 51.2- 16.2= $24 m in new additional cap when DW is traded.
 
Texian said:
Need I remind Texans fans that Atlanta put the screws to the Texans in the Matt Schaub trade. After the teams agreed to (2) twos for Schaub, Atlanta came back at the very last minute and said, Oh BTW we need to swap our #10 pick with your #8 pick if we want to make this happen.
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Different GM & FO back in those days.
 
Texian said:
Need I remind Texans fans that Atlanta put the screws to the Texans in the Matt Schaub trade. After the teams agreed to (2) twos for Schaub, Atlanta came back at the very last minute and said, Oh BTW we need to swap our #10 pick with your #8 pick if we want to make this happen.

Time to return the favor.
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Agreed. Great history lesson.

Let’s see if the file clerk does.
 
Falcon Fhil said:
AJ Terrell is worth more than a 1st round pick. He's a pro-bowl corner going into his 3rd year and cost-controlled for 3 more years - he's 6'2" and a sure thing star player. AJ Terrell is equivalent of a 1st and 3rd round pick by himself - at least that. Cost-controlled young stars are very valuable.
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The rumor is he will be apart of the trade package ( AJ Terrell). I’m hoping for Kyle Pitts as well. The reason for those two players is because our GM stated he wanted three first draft picks with two young players with a lot of potential ( really good players! and a few other draft picks.

Hey a brother can hope right, lol
 
badboy said:
Would Goodell see this and suspend only a few games? Why not then suspend DW for entire year if it is only going to cost him "$1 million"?
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Do you believe the NFL would allow him to make a sham of the spirit of the rule to punish him without pay? They may as well remove the rule then and let the psychos run the asylum Because everybody would do it. would his agent even try this? He may not be an NFL agent very long. In any event what if they did do it. Goodell can keep his investigation ongoing until 2023 and suspend him then.
 
No chance on Pitts imo. Terrell, there's a chance and he's the more important piece if we can pull it off.

How about Atl giving us 1st rd in 22 and 23, 3rd rounder this year, and 4th rounder next year + Terrell + Grady Jarrett.

If I'm Houston, I'm coming off my 3 first rounders, and letting ATL keep all 2nd rounders. For Atl, they get that #1 back in 24, and keep all #2's to put some fresh talent around DW4.

That's win-win. I'll give up picks for these guys. Give me the bird in the hand instead of 2 in the bush every single time.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The rumor is he will be apart of the trade package ( AJ Terrell). I’m hoping for Kyle Pitts as well. The reason for those two players is because our GM stated he wanted three first draft picks with two young players with a lot of potential ( really good players! and a few other draft picks.

Hey a brother can hope right, lol
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For Texans fans it's always been hope in one hand, poop in the other, and let's see which one fills up first. lol :goodbad:
 
thunderkyss said:
They can’t keep this a secret. Rappaport & Schefter would be all over any hint or whisper.
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Journalistic integrity, they don't want to F over a team where they get their bread buttered. They are not the National Enquirer.
 
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Porky said:
No chance on Pitts imo. Terrell, there's a chance and he's the more important piece if we can pull it off.

How about Atl giving us 1st rd in 22 and 23, 3rd rounder this year, and 4th rounder next year + Terrell + Grady Jarrett.

If I'm Houston, I'm coming off my 3 first rounders, and letting ATL keep all 2nd rounders. For Atl, they get that #1 back in 24, and keep all #2's to put some fresh talent around DW4.

That's win-win. I'll give up picks for these guys. Give me the bird in the hand instead of 2 in the bush every single time.
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I can see it going down like this and I wouldn’t be mad. But we should get that 2nd round pick.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I can see it going down like this and I wouldn’t be mad. But we should get that 2nd round pick.
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If you get an all pro CB on his rookie contract then you have to make a concession.

Better to have the all pro on his rookie contract imo if that is in play than a “solid” player plus a pick.
 
Falcon Fhil said:
if DeShaun only wants the Falcons and will only waive the "no-trade" for them, that would help Falcons leverage. My guess on trade comp:

Texans trade:
QB DeShaun Watson

Falcons Trade:
1st rd(2022 - #8 overall)
2nd rd (2022 - original pick)
4th rd (2022)
1st rd (2023)
3rd rd (2023)
Grady Jarrett
maybe throw in a lower of two picks Falcons get back in Matt Ryan deal as well

something like that. I don't see three 1st round picks - not considering Watson has the suspension hanging over him.
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The Falcons have already met the Texans minimum requirements (3 1s and 2 2s) to be granted permission to interview DW4. Now is not the time to get greedy. The Texans have a NTC also. They can tell DeShuan we are not agreeable to trading you to Atlanta for what they offered in a trade package.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That would still not cover "illegal services." You can be sure, unless he is even more dense than I believe he is, that Watson has seen his last "massage" in Houston. Under the new Texas law, it remains a crime to solicit prostitution even if no money is exchanged (or other form of payment) and/or no sexual conduct transpires. It remains a crime in Texas merely to ask for sex in exchange for any type of payment.
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So, his way out of Texas is two pronged
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Falcon Fhil said:
Hey guys - hope you are all well - as you can guess from my messageboard name - I'm a Falcons fan - which means I have had nothing to cheer for since the epic 28-3 melt in your very own city. Houston will always have voodoo on the ATL.

Nevertheless, thought it would be interesting to talk about this possible impending trade - I agree it seems likely that the destination will be Atlanta - given that's where DeShaun Watson wants to go and he has no-trade clause. Don't see him wanting to go to sewage city w/ the swamp rats in New Orleans.

As much as I like Watson the player (forget the off-field drama w/ him now), I don't necessarily agree this is good move for Atlanta. The Falcons roster is worse now than it has been in 20yrs - I was in full "tank mode" and wanted the Falcons to trade Matt Ryan - not because I don't like him - but because Falcons need to be re-built and it is likely to take 3 years and by the time it would be re-built, Ryan would be on the way out anyway - so trade him and get what you can get. There are only 3 really good young players on the entire roster 1) TE-Kyle Pitts(2021 1st rounder), 2) CB-AJ Terrell(2020 1st rounder) and 3) OG-Chris Lindstrom(2019 1st rounder). The rest of the Falcons roster is mostly trash. Calvin Ridley is good but gambled his way to a suspension and is gone for the year and crushed his trade value.

If the price of poker w/ the Texans is three 1st rounders plus a player - then Texans would be getting a helluva deal as you already know this years first rounder is #8 overall and 2023 1st rounder will most certainly be a high pick as well. If your GM is any good at all, then this could be really good for Texans roster - obviously you gotta find a QB - I know you got the ATL kid Davis Mills(Stanford) - if he pans out, you guys could be sitting pretty.

I hope and pray the Falcons don't trade you AJ Terrell - he graded out as a top 5 corner in all the NFL last year and made the Pro-Bowl. I wouldn't trade him if I was Falcons but think Arthur Blank is desperate for Watson. I don't believe the GM/HC are driving this trade in Flowery Branch(Falcons HQ) - this move has Arthur Blank written all over it.

Anyway, wanted to give you some insight from the other side of the fence. I will be excited about the player if Falcons get DW, but w/ the baggage plus the picks given away - it certainly dampens the enthusiasm. I'm sure you guys are over him.
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Welcome & thanks for chiming in, appreciate your comments. I bolded the most important part of your post which was same for Panthers & Miami way back when. Ego is attributed to players but owners have it also. Owners as well as fans love to brag about their QB or JJ Watt or AJ or Hopkins etc and that should not be overlooked. Some like to point to their new sports car while their house is crumbling and mortgage is endangered. But hey look at the shiny!

If you are trying to make this an equitable trade that is an error. It is 'get my shiny and don't think about heinny (too soon?)'. Franchise QBs difficult to get and this is your owner's chance. I suggest you look at the "done deal" like this:

GM Nick Caserio from beginning wanted round (1) three + round (2) two + 2 young studs preferably on defense on their rookie contracts. AND no one quarreled much with that assessment if the criminal charges went away. Some said Philly would offer three ones this year! Charges did disappear so that should be the "price to sit at the table". Several teams met that in some manner and we seem to be left with Atlanta willingly holding the final spot.

1.8 + high first in 2023 and probably a bottom 20s first in 2024. CHECK

2. 43 and 2.58 but one of those could be kept with 2023 round two coming to Htown. CHECK

3. Two young studs on defense: Terrell a must and the only stud left is Pitts. Lindstrom is above avg but we can get that in draft for much less than his costs. This year is cheap but 5th yr option is $13 m and why do that? So Pitts it is even if not defense. Wait! Even Blank would blink at that. So wily Caserio says ok but I really want him for my young QB so tell you what I'm willing to do to help you out. Trade Ryan to Browns and give me their 1.13 or heck trade him to Colts for their 42 and your 58 and keep TE. CHECK

But hold on, this was the price before coconut cutting time. Has Wily Nicky raised the ante? Why not? Panthers and Saints out and Blank is licking is ego...er lips.

Another issue, Falcons left with the prize but cannot fit him in until Ryan and perhaps Garrett traded! So please Nick put off remaking your team with free agency until we can get this done. Sure it will probably cost you 2-3 good players while twiddling your thumbs but darn man...please!!

Wily Nicky stops twiddling his thumbs and starts rubbing his hands "What do I get for agreeing to the delay and losing those 2-3 FAs you mentioned"?
 
I do wonder if the Texans are waiting until Atl unloads Ryan and then becomes that much more desperate to make the deal.

That's when the "Oh, by the way"s should come up
 
Falcon Fhil said:
if DeShaun only wants the Falcons and will only waive the "no-trade" for them, that would help Falcons leverage. My guess on trade comp:

Texans trade:
QB DeShaun Watson

Falcons Trade:
1st rd(2022 - #8 overall)
2nd rd (2022 - original pick)
4th rd (2022)
1st rd (2023)
3rd rd (2023)
Grady Jarrett
maybe throw in a lower of two picks Falcons get back in Matt Ryan deal as well

something like that. I don't see three 1st round picks - not considering Watson has the suspension hanging over him.
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No your beginning sentence is wrong. He agreed to waive for Panthers and Saints who along with ATL met criteria to sit at table. All that happened before ATL won right to continue to negotiate. Falcons could be stubborn and Panthers could be back in.
 
Porky said:
No chance on Pitts imo. Terrell, there's a chance and he's the more important piece if we can pull it off.

How about Atl giving us 1st rd in 22 and 23, 3rd rounder this year, and 4th rounder next year + Terrell + Grady Jarrett.

If I'm Houston, I'm coming off my 3 first rounders, and letting ATL keep all 2nd rounders. For Atl, they get that #1 back in 24, and keep all #2's to put some fresh talent around DW4.

That's win-win. I'll give up picks for these guys. Give me the bird in the hand instead of 2 in the bush every single time.
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OG Chris Lindstrom could also be a consideration. I'd be OK with a top starting ROG. Takes some pressure of the draft too.
 
Number19 said:
Whatever it is you are referring to, as it is now, he hasn't actually waived the NTC for either NO or Atlanta.
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He has agreed to waive NTC for several teams IF they could convince Nick to accept their offer or those teams would not have been allowed to negotiate or meet with DW. It has been reported that Caserio accepted those teams initial offer to go forward. Someone compared it to poker with the ante.
 
KA4Texan said:
I do wonder if the Texans are waiting until Atl unloads Ryan and then becomes that much more desperate to make the deal.

That's when the "Oh, by the way"s should come up
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There will be contingencies that have to be met be in the trade deals filed with the league office before trades become final.
 
Lucky said:
Does anyone believe the Panthers would give up the kings ransom in picks and players but not guarantee the last 2 years of Watson’s contract? Please. Watson didn’t want to go to Carolina. Never did. That’s what nixed the trade.
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I believe it $64 GTD for 2024 and 25 for a risky scampering QB that plays like Deshaun. Not saying he wanted to go to Carolina or not or forced the GTD just that Carolina would balk at it.
 
Texian said:
Watson to Atlanta is contingent on Falcons being able to trade Matt Ryan. That's why New Orleans is officially still being considered, just in case they don't. Plus New Orleans also gives them cover and additional time to make things happen under a cloak of secrecy.

BTW the market for Brandin Cooks is going up. Green Bay and Atlanta both are in dire needs of a top WR. If you can get a 1 for Cooks do you pull the trigger? I do.
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As Phil Collins sang In a New York Minute but where does GBay get the $16 m cap space? For #28 I'd eat part of it.
 
badboy said:
interviews
DW already agreed to waive NTC for those teams he met with. I don't see Ryan remaining in ATL.
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DW4 would only waive NTC after the interviews. As it turned out after the interviews he picked ATL. Now teams had to meet Texans minimum requirements in order to be granted a meeting with DW4.
 
Speedy said:
I guess the Texans need to draft QB at 3 then because the one they have went 2-9.

And when Watson went 11-5, I guess that was what, luck, great team around him? Rodgers has had a couple of 6 win seasons. Christ some of y’all have some pathetic takes.
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Can't you guys take that history to the history thread? You clogging up the works here... smiley face.
 
badboy said:
No your beginning sentence is wrong. He agreed to waive for Panthers and Saints who along with ATL met criteria to sit at table. All that happened before ATL won right to continue to negotiate. Falcons could be stubborn and Panthers could be back in.
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Burns-Chinn-2 1’s and 2 2’s.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That would still not cover "illegal services." You can be sure, unless he is even more dense than I believe he is, that Watson has seen his last "massage" in Houston. Under the new Texas law, it remains a crime to solicit prostitution even if no money is exchanged (or other form of payment) and/or no sexual conduct transpires. It remains a crime in Texas merely to ask for sex in exchange for any type of payment.
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beerlover said:
I’m sure he makes them (masseuse) sign waiver now, before services rendered.
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Please put these in correct thread as you ask us to do with player transactions thread. Thank you.
 
Falcon Fhil said:
AJ Terrell is worth more than a 1st round pick. He's a pro-bowl corner going into his 3rd year and cost-controlled for 3 more years - he's 6'2" and a sure thing star player. AJ Terrell is equivalent of a 1st and 3rd round pick by himself - at least that. Cost-controlled young stars are very valuable.
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Yes but as I posted Terrel is one of the young studs on rookie contract that Caserio wanted. That is outside of 'picks' and what your owner agreed to sit at table.
 
Ole Dirty Watson/Oily Dirty Watson is going to be a dirty bird. Atlanta is going to be severely disappointed in a year or two, because ODW will basically be on a team like the Texans 2 years ago, let's see how long until he starts whining over there. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I feel bad for female masseuses in that town and the fans, but of course they have been through a QB with off the field issues before, but that guy ended up showing a lot more character than ODW ever will.
 
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