With so many potential trades and huge contracts that is a logical assumption. However, blaming Watson for the delay because of being an attention whore, indecisive or selfish makes better thread fodder.
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I’m just saying we should be hearing about Atlanta trying to trade Ryan. We should be seeing reports as soon as today.
Falcon Fhil
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Hey guys - hope you are all well - as you can guess from my messageboard name - I'm a Falcons fan - which means I have had nothing to cheer for since the epic 28-3 melt in your very own city. Houston will always have voodoo on the ATL.
Nevertheless, thought it would be interesting to talk about this possible impending trade - I agree it seems likely that the destination will be Atlanta - given that's where DeShaun Watson wants to go and he has no-trade clause. Don't see him wanting to go to sewage city w/ the swamp rats in New Orleans.
As much as I like Watson the player (forget the off-field drama w/ him now), I don't necessarily agree this is good move for Atlanta. The Falcons roster is worse now than it has been in 20yrs - I was in full "tank mode" and wanted the Falcons to trade Matt Ryan - not because I don't like him - but because Falcons need to be re-built and it is likely to take 3 years and by the time it would be re-built, Ryan would be on the way out anyway - so trade him and get what you can get. There are only 3 really good young players on the entire roster 1) TE-Kyle Pitts(2021 1st rounder), 2) CB-AJ Terrell(2020 1st rounder) and 3) OG-Chris Lindstrom(2019 1st rounder). The rest of the Falcons roster is mostly trash. Calvin Ridley is good but gambled his way to a suspension and is gone for the year and crushed his trade value.
If the price of poker w/ the Texans is three 1st rounders plus a player - then Texans would be getting a helluva deal as you already know this years first rounder is #8 overall and 2023 1st rounder will most certainly be a high pick as well. If your GM is any good at all, then this could be really good for Texans roster - obviously you gotta find a QB - I know you got the ATL kid Davis Mills(Stanford) - if he pans out, you guys could be sitting pretty.
I hope and pray the Falcons don't trade you AJ Terrell - he graded out as a top 5 corner in all the NFL last year and made the Pro-Bowl. I wouldn't trade him if I was Falcons but think Arthur Blank is desperate for Watson. I don't believe the GM/HC are driving this trade in Flowery Branch(Falcons HQ) - this move has Arthur Blank written all over it.
Anyway, wanted to give you some insight from the other side of the fence. I will be excited about the player if Falcons get DW, but w/ the baggage plus the picks given away - it certainly dampens the enthusiasm. I'm sure you guys are over him.
Nevertheless, thought it would be interesting to talk about this possible impending trade - I agree it seems likely that the destination will be Atlanta - given that's where DeShaun Watson wants to go and he has no-trade clause. Don't see him wanting to go to sewage city w/ the swamp rats in New Orleans.
As much as I like Watson the player (forget the off-field drama w/ him now), I don't necessarily agree this is good move for Atlanta. The Falcons roster is worse now than it has been in 20yrs - I was in full "tank mode" and wanted the Falcons to trade Matt Ryan - not because I don't like him - but because Falcons need to be re-built and it is likely to take 3 years and by the time it would be re-built, Ryan would be on the way out anyway - so trade him and get what you can get. There are only 3 really good young players on the entire roster 1) TE-Kyle Pitts(2021 1st rounder), 2) CB-AJ Terrell(2020 1st rounder) and 3) OG-Chris Lindstrom(2019 1st rounder). The rest of the Falcons roster is mostly trash. Calvin Ridley is good but gambled his way to a suspension and is gone for the year and crushed his trade value.
If the price of poker w/ the Texans is three 1st rounders plus a player - then Texans would be getting a helluva deal as you already know this years first rounder is #8 overall and 2023 1st rounder will most certainly be a high pick as well. If your GM is any good at all, then this could be really good for Texans roster - obviously you gotta find a QB - I know you got the ATL kid Davis Mills(Stanford) - if he pans out, you guys could be sitting pretty.
I hope and pray the Falcons don't trade you AJ Terrell - he graded out as a top 5 corner in all the NFL last year and made the Pro-Bowl. I wouldn't trade him if I was Falcons but think Arthur Blank is desperate for Watson. I don't believe the GM/HC are driving this trade in Flowery Branch(Falcons HQ) - this move has Arthur Blank written all over it.
Anyway, wanted to give you some insight from the other side of the fence. I will be excited about the player if Falcons get DW, but w/ the baggage plus the picks given away - it certainly dampens the enthusiasm. I'm sure you guys are over him.
While holding out on the 1st year of said contract.
leebigeztx
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You know Terrell is a Mulagetta client,right?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Oh I agree but guilty or not Watson has embarrassed the shield so they are going to want him to pay for that and if he tries to get around that punishment or ease it then they could make it worse. Its like sticking something down you pants right before a spanking, when your parents discover it the follow up spanking is even worse. Just take the whooping and don't try to be clever.
leebigeztx
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C'mon. You don't hear Steelers fans saying they don't want any part of the superbowl win with Ben or KC with Cheetah.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Welcome to the monkey house. We all want Watson gone ASAP, and would like to get as much as possible for him, but getting rid of him is more important. Yall will be taking on a lot of baggage if this happens, so good luck with that. I think Watson will be a great QB for someone if he gets his head together, which is questionable.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Caserio knows this is the defining moment in his career as a GM and everything the last year has built up to. If he screws this up then it doesn't matter what else he does he will always be known as the GM that got fleeced on what should have been one of the biggest trades in NFL history.
leebigeztx
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We agree on something. Been saying it for awhile. The cap can be manipulated and massaged. The Saints have found a way to pay the monthly minimum on the credit card lmao
leebigeztx
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Rodgers went 6-10 one year too
Falcon Fhil
Practice Squad
If I was Texans fan, I would understand wanting him gone - y'all were probably over him before the massage scandal. He's a heckuva talent and you know how it goes in the NFL - a lot of crap gets overlooked if you can play.
Atlanta is a transient town so not a lot of die-hard Falcons fans - if you have seen a Falcons home game on TV last two years, you will notice the brand new $1.5billion stadium with the anus roof is only about 25% full. Let's just say there have been more PSLs that have gone into foreclosure in Atlanta than the entire timeshare industry worldwide. Just a disaster. Atlanta has become over last 20yrs a destination city for African Americans with migrations from NY/NJ/LA and other locales. I would say 65% of the season-ticket fanbase is African American. Owner Arthur Blank needs to fill out that stadium and DeShaun Watson as an AAQB has the ability to help w/ ticket sales. Granted, if Falcons don't turn around the record in next 2-3 years, it won't matter - but it would definitely give a shot-in-the-arm to ticket sales.
In the state of Georgia, in the last 6 months we have seen the Atlanta Braves win the World Series and the Georgia Bulldogs(my alma mater) win a National Championship. The Hawks are even decent (but regressed this year).
The Atlanta Falcons are IRRELEVANT. At least a DW trade makes them relevant and "in the news". Might not make them better but at least they will be talked about more. Any press is better than no press if you are Arthur Blank right now - he has a product to sell.
Dallas radio rumor on Matt Ryan to the Colts for a 2nd and a 4th and both pick not in same year from the Colts. . Host sites one his guys "Jeff." Absolutely under for it is worth.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Sure. But I want the higher of the 2’s. What if Ryan gets traded to SEA? They have 40 and 41.
Caserio should get the 2 highest of ATL’s 2’s.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
My trade prediction:
Texans trade:
Watson
SF 6th round (because why not)
Falcons trade:
This year’s first and both seconds
Next year’s first and 3rd
Grady Jarrett
Parker Hesse
Texans trade:
Watson
SF 6th round (because why not)
Falcons trade:
This year’s first and both seconds
Next year’s first and 3rd
Grady Jarrett
Parker Hesse
badboy
Hall of Fame
Any thoughts on some of that new cap space going to DW's former 1,000 yds target Brandin Cooks?
Texian
Hall of Fame
You do understand that a premium 1st may be involved with the Ryan trade, right? A premium 1st that could be as high as #9 or #13, right? I certainly would not turn my nose up at Atlanta's #8 and one of those.
So did Manning. Brees had a 2-9 season. Elway had a 5-11.
I guess at age 33, with a 4-12 season under his belt and coming off a 5-11 season, Stafford suddenly became a difference maker when he joined the Rams.
badboy
Hall of Fame
DW already agreed to waive NTC for those teams he met with. I don't see Ryan remaining in ATL.
A 28-3 meltdown in the postseason is child's play. Houston is still the king with 35-3 in Buffalo.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Would Goodell see this and suspend only a few games? Why not then suspend DW for entire year if it is only going to cost him "$1 million"?
Falcon Fhil
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if DeShaun only wants the Falcons and will only waive the "no-trade" for them, that would help Falcons leverage. My guess on trade comp:
Texans trade:
QB DeShaun Watson
Falcons Trade:
1st rd(2022 - #8 overall)
2nd rd (2022 - original pick)
4th rd (2022)
1st rd (2023)
3rd rd (2023)
Grady Jarrett
maybe throw in a lower of two picks Falcons get back in Matt Ryan deal as well
something like that. I don't see three 1st round picks - not considering Watson has the suspension hanging over him.
Nah. I was hurt.
The scandal helped me understand why he wanted out. I finally embraced the rebuild, but his cap handcuffs the team.
I'm ready for him to go so the Texans can get on with getting on.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Whatever it is you are referring to, as it is now, he hasn't actually waived the NTC for either NO or Atlanta.
& Matt Ryan also has a NTC
badboy
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If I have the numbers straight, ATL has cap space now of $5 m + saving ~6 m trading #8 & 43. DW cap can be $11 million without any other cuts or savings. A trade can be done now if both sides want to and adjust dollars later. For example easy to be made bonuses that would be against cap in 2023.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
You will take the extra 6th round pick and throw in a back end of roster player for training camp competition or this deal is completely unrealistic! No way Caserio makes a trade without parting with a 6th round pick!
chicagotexan2
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I’m at the point where I can’t wait to execute the trade. It seems more and more like DW is more committed to it he high profile lifestyle and guaranteed payday than anything else.
James Harden 2.0
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A team can not be over the cap at any time during the league year.
The Falcons have to have room to absorb Watson's cap for 2022 before they can restructure.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Garopolo may be in it for Indy but I think Baker would be the guy who would be a one season gamble even if $18 million. Cleveland gets Ryans and the pool savings of $3.5 m by sending 1.13 to Atl pays the cap hit for Ryans and that is a good swap. ATL moves Ryan gets the cap relief and gets Watson + 1.13. Baker gone after 2022 and in 2023 Indy in better position to get their QB.
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
Caserio will look like a puss if it has been public knowledge he wants 3 firsts plus more but settles for only 2 firsts. I could see if we get AJ Terrell, that he would count as a first possibly but we’d still need 2-3 more assets in the form of second round picks or players. No way we don’t get 3 ones or 2 ones and an AJ Terrell type player. Of course this is the Texans so I’m bracing for Saints at #18, plus another 1 and some scrub players with high cap hits lol
Number19
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Watson's cap hit just doesn't seem correct. Spotrac has his cap at $40M, with $35M being base salary and $5M being signing bonus. The base salary should transfer to the trade partner. The Texans would be responsible for the signing bonus. This is my understanding which could be wrong. And my question is, where does that $51M dead cap come from?
Can one of you cap experts chime in?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Caserio doesn't want a solid 29 YOA $16 million vet WR. He has that in Cooks. He has indicated all along he wants two young very good guys on rookie deals. That is Terrell and Kyle Pitts. Nick will not get Pitts but he should get that need met with a draft pick equal to Pitts---1.13 via Ryan trade to Browns. I am confident Nick sees this trade as his career defining moment. Nick is not emotionally attached to Watson [one way or other] as most posters.
Does anyone believe the Panthers would give up the kings ransom in picks and players but not guarantee the last 2 years of Watson’s contract? Please. Watson didn’t want to go to Carolina. Never did. That’s what nixed the trade.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Grady Jarrett would be DT on this team. Upgrade over Collins. Not WR…
Of course i’d prefer Pitts or Terrell. But I just don’t see that happening.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Watson to Atlanta is contingent on Falcons being able to trade Matt Ryan. That's why New Orleans is officially still being considered, just in case they don't. Plus New Orleans also gives them cover and additional time to make things happen under a cloak of secrecy.
BTW the market for Brandin Cooks is going up. Green Bay and Atlanta both are in dire needs of a top WR. If you can get a 1 for Cooks do you pull the trigger? I do.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I guess the Texans need to draft QB at 3 then because the one they have went 2-9.
And when Watson went 11-5, I guess that was what, luck, great team around him? Rodgers has had a couple of 6 win seasons. Christ some of y’all have some pathetic takes.
lmao!! Post of the day!
I can't tell y'all enough how much I appreciate this place. It's easy to find your mind in a dark place as a Texans fan, but then come here with the shared misery and cynical humor and it feels like my tribe.
Like this one!! lmao!!
*sigh* I feel like this is ultimately our destiny as Texans fans. . .
I set my expectations to be happy with just one 1st rounder and the quitter off our team, so anything beyond that is just gravy to me.
Yep. At this point in life, I'm just happy when someone remembers by birthday! lol Cake and anything else is just a nice surprise.
So whatever the Texans get, I'll be happy that we can finally just look ahead to the next season without O'Brien and Watson in the picture.
Good luck, man. Watson revealed himself to be dishonorable when he quit just a few months after signing a mega-deal with $110 million guaranteed. Will he do it to his "hometown team"? Maybe, maybe not, but the risk is there by his own history.
Allegedly it was because he was told that he could help pick the new GM and HC. That has yet to be confirmed by either side, and the timing of the lawsuits makes me believe they were at least a part of it.
But, even if completely true, what kind of diva truly expects that kind of power in the front office??! Name any of the HoF QBs in NFL history and literally NONE of them ever had that kind of power to pick a GM and/or HC. It's amazing that his ego is so massive. And he has the audacity to recently say the Texans treated him bad? Seriously? They just paid him $10 million for nothing!
Lawsuits aside, he's a great player, but, he's going to basically make your owner his biatch with his diva attitude. He will own your franchise, for better or for worse. They are giving up so much to get him that I can only imagine how inflated his ego will be. And if they are unable to put a good team around him because of his cap hit and lack of draft capital, how many losing seasons will he endure before the little diva starts to make waves again? I personally think it's only a matter of time. Zebras can't change their stripes.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That would still not cover "illegal services." You can be sure, unless he is even more dense than I believe he is, that Watson has seen his last "massage" in Houston. Under the new Texas law, it remains a crime to solicit prostitution even if no money is exchanged (or other form of payment) and/or no sexual conduct transpires. It remains a crime in Texas merely to ask for sex in exchange for any type of payment.
Falcon Fhil
Practice Squad
AJ Terrell is worth more than a 1st round pick. He's a pro-bowl corner going into his 3rd year and cost-controlled for 3 more years - he's 6'2" and a sure thing star player. AJ Terrell is equivalent of a 1st and 3rd round pick by himself - at least that. Cost-controlled young stars are very valuable.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Do we just ignore the whole week leading up to yesterday?
Things can happen beyond Caserios control or anybodys control, for example Goodell could come out this afternoon and suspend Watson for an entire year which obviously would shix all over everybodys parade, so don't count your chickns before ..........".
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Never sacrifice your character and compare yourself to the lowest common denominator.
Always take the high ground. There is no shame in that. But there is in supporting rapists.
I don’t know who Cheetah is.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Tyreek Hill
michaelm
vox nihili
That's where I'm at too
CloakNNNdagger
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badboy
Hall of Fame
True but talk is Grady Jarrett to be traded saving $16.5 + Ryan's $8 m + current 5.5 = $30 so they can find another $5. A couple lower end guys could be cut and brought back later.
Reading some of the gems posted in this thread over the past week, might as well ignore it.
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