Texian
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Lot of those games were blowouts and defenses were playing soft. That said, at first, I wasn't excited about Mills but in the 2nd half I watch him make some WOW throws that convinced me he needed the 2022 season to prove himself.
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They did go 2-3 over the last 5 games.
I think if given the proper weapons we could see many more games like th Chargers game, where Mills was well protected and had a run game to work with.
I’m not trying to knock Mills. I hope he plays well.
But if Denver offers me their 2nd round pick, I’d take it. It would be a definitive win for Caserio.
I’d just as readily keep him on the team. But you put a better team around any QB, he’ll look better.
When he was younger, Desean Jackson made any QB with a decent arm look good.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Commanders haven't gotten over their own sexual "issues"...........I doubt they would want to get involved in any more sexually-oriented controversies.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
SnakeEyes
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If you say late 1st ok. Because he showed by the end of the season he has 1st round abilities. Now, will they all translate into his game full time on an NFL level? Jury, fitting word in this thread, is out still. Ask after say game 6 next year and then we should have a good idea. QBs are going to be drafted in the early to middle 1st that Mills has way more talent than. I saw your post about your not buying the experts opinion. Which is fair. But what games did you watch? Seeing a QB sling for an 89QBR and toss 16TDs in only 13 games is pretty good. 10 INTs isn't great but he did have 2 bad games early in the season. Which would also raise his comp %, QBR and likely cut down the INTs by say 2-4 and 66.8 also isn't bad.
SUMMARY
2021
Career
G
13
AV
7
Cmp%
66.8
Yds
2664
TD
16
INT
10
All I'm saying is that is a very good stat line for just about any 1st round QB.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Numbers don't lie. He indeed was
And helped win a couple of games in the process.
Unfortunately the draft will be before week 6 of 2022. & while he may be arguably more talented than those 1st round QBs, they will come with a 5th year option where Mills will have three years to FA.
I’m not going to turn down a 1st round offer. But I’ll take a top ten 2nd round pick
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He doesn't posses any special physical traits. Baker Mayfield had a better rookie year than Josh Allen, but Allen ceiling was as large as any qb. Baker doesn't have any special qualities either. Same with Tua. When you don't have special qualities, then he needs to have a processor like Brady, Brees, Peyton.
I believe accuracy and anticipation are traits. As well as the ability to read defenses and process quickly. The last 5 games Mills was a top 15 QB who is clearly improving.
What he's not is Derrick and share with us what Derricks special traits were. Holding onto the ball to long, or taking off running at first signs of trouble?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Rodgers, Wilson,and Big Ben took alot of sacks. Burrow just got sacked 60 times. Some guys hold the ball because the offensive designs are poor, there aren't any relief routes. Mahomes takes sacks too, is that because he's holding the ball too long or not anticipating throws? I'm done. Again, you're pretty much the only person who supposedly watches football who thinks Watson is not a super bowl caliber qb in the nfl. Even people who thinks he's a scumbag off the field can concede he's a franchise caliber qb who erases mistakes. In his 5 years, go look at the offensive line ranking while you're talking about sacks. Of course, you will probably post the oline was top or something.
Watson can’t pick up a blitz and holds the ball too long. Can he even audible? We have seen Mills do that...
houstonhurricane
Veteran
We can (and should) all be super critical and angry at Watson for his behavior - and if he is proven to be criminally responsible they should throw the book at him…but comparing him in any way to Davis Mills on the field is just lazy or more likely people taking out their understandable frustrations at Watson the person on the idea of Watson the player. Stop - it’s embarrassing.
All I can say is your guy is dumb as a box of rocks and I will be glad when he's a former Calhoun.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I tend to agree.
Watson never had a high caliber team/coaching around him and still performed at a high level.
If he went to Seahawks, I bet they would be back in the SB talks. Pete Carroll would know how to use him.
Excuses
You would think all of these hollow numbers that he's put up, he did it throwing to himself.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Look, coach O'Brien. Stop coming on here and giving us your horrible talent evaluations. 7 years of it were enough.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
He actually has some key traits that the team loves (and team mates), Football IQ, great arm, can make all the throws, Leadership, Anticipation, Reading the D, Accuracy...to name a few. This kid has shown me over the 13 games that he is growing as a player. He also shakes off bad plays. Will he continue is the question? I feel he will, but time will tell. If he does we have a good QB already
SnakeEyes
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If true...will this develop or die off?
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Washington Trade: Calling Texans on QB Deshaun Watson?
The math adds up. Houston wants three 1's. Washington's already dangled two 1's. Some real movement can be a phone call away.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Some might say it's making excuses, others might say facts.
You can't deny he didn't have the best situation here.
Personally, I hope he never plays again if he doesn't play here.
He did put up numbers that have some considering him to be a top 5 pick.
Point is you can't have it both ways.
Who's going to play QB? Better get a draft pick high enough to replace Mills.
He can't read zone read, has a crappy play fake, & his legs are skinny
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If you blast through this article, you would be led to believe that the Commanders have already offered two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson. Then from this, they propose that three 1st round picks is likely to be offered for Watson.If true...will this develop or die off?
Washington Trade: Calling Texans on QB Deshaun Watson?
The math adds up. Houston wants three 1's. Washington's already dangled two 1's. Some real movement can be a phone call away.
Go back and pay special attention to the wording and you discover that not only do they not know that the Commanders have offered two 1st rounders for Wilson, but that three 1sts for Watson is purely an ill-based poorly extrapolated supposition that they like so many media have pulled out of their rears.
We got Mills with a third.
I'm not loving any QB in this draft. I hope Caserio trade down a lot, trade Tunsil & whoever & start stocking future draft picks to move up to the #1 overall if need be.
For 2022, if we trade Mills, I like Andy Dalton, Mitchell Trubisky, & Joe Flacco.
I'm sorry, but you're fired as Texans GM. Security will be escorting you out of the building, and Jack Easterby will be taking your office.
Two simple questions. If Watson is as terrible as you two are claiming and he didn't have the off field issues, why on earth would any team give up 2 or 3 first round picks for him. Also, what would you expect in a trade for such a terrible QB?
I've got absolutely nothing against Mills. I'm hoping for the best.
But reality... he's a prospect. A good prospect. But still a prospect
If he's on the team I'll do everything to help him be successful. If someone offers me two ones, I'll take them. A 1st & 2nd, I'll take them. A 2nd & a third, I'll take them. A single 2nd round pick in the top 10, I'll take it.
I hope he does play another down after he's traded. Providwd charges aren't brought against him, or he beats the rap.
What I don't want you is for him to play another down for the Houston Calhoun's.
Apparently Earl thinks you can have it both ways.
Thanks for the lol.
When you say Mills performed as a top 15 QB, but he could be more consistent with a better OL, Pep as OC and running game. Are you making excuses for why he had several games where they barely crossed midfield or stating facts? I guess none of Mills' TD or passes were thrown in garbage time. You can't have it both ways.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Thus far, there has been no confirmation that any team has made a formal offer to the Texans for two firsts, let alone three firsts.
Nope, I think he performed better than any rookie QB over the last 5 games so there are no reasons to make excuses. I'm just looking to see how good Mills can be when throwing to the weapons Derrick had with a pro bowl lt protecting his blindside.
That's not my point. Let me restate this. After the 2019 or 2020 seasons and before the allegations, if the Texans were willing to trade Watson, what would you expect in return for a dumb, cannot pickup blitz, cannot audible, selfish, hero ball playing QB like Watson? That is the question I'm posing to SteelB and Djohn.
Should've traded him when OT and me suggested it. It was time to take advantage of GM's that don't look at the history of a QB's cap hit vs championships.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol good one. You just had to play that trump card. Love it. It’s amazing how fans talk up players they like and talk down the ones they don’t like.
Okay and if they did what you suggested, what would you have expected in a trade for this dumb, hero ball playing, can't read defenses, selfish, QB? Draft picks, a straight up exchange for Nate Peterman? Exactly what would you have considered a good return in a Watson trade?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Why? Lol that would’ve been dumb to trade that type of on the field talent. Especially when every darn fan on here been begging for a franchise quarterback. If Bill O’Brien wouldn’t have gotten to full of himself. This team probably wouldn’t be were we at today. And before you go all bunkers on me, I’m taking about how he robbed us of all the talent issues we have today. Something you blamed on a certain someone for years. Not going to mention his name lol
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Exactly. After four years of constant negativity about the QB position, I understand the need to now overcompensate. However, the lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy is so obvious that it's now a running joke on this forum
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Put it this way, facts are either facts or false.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
If they are the Houston Calhouns, why would it matter?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Obviously, teams will have more tape on him now, but that can be offset with better coaching on this end and some upgrades in his weaponry.
Because I still root for the team inspite of ownership.
Fact, they won as many games without him as with him.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Wasn’t because of him. Let’s make sure that fact is on the table. Defense blew 6 freaking leads that year. Something that pretty routine with this team’s defense.
I'm with you, I think Watson is a better QB than some are giving him credit for.
But in those games, how many times did the Texans have the ball & didn't score? Didn't close the lead, didn't extend the lead, just wasted an offensive possession?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Most of those games the opposing team drove down the field on a 1-2 minute drive to win. Defense didn’t hold. And we all know how football operates. We can not expect any team out there to close the deal 100% of the times. Especially on that level. But what I remembered the offense put them in position to win and the defense couldn’t close the deal on more than half of those losses.
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