DW4 staying or going?

[steelbtexan]

i thought Schaub was a great system QB who before Haynesworth sat on his ankle he was a great QB

In 2009 he had a great yr.

I'm glad he had a long career after he got hurt. Wanna talk about a guy who was truly mistreated by this city. He lead the league one yr in passing and you didn't here fans on this MB talking about how Schaub was some kind of elite QB. DW4 leads the league in passing 1 yr on a terrible team because they were playing from behind all yr and suddenly he's a GOAT. Man some will believe anything.

 

[Jack Burton]

Boy please. You're probably as much a model as she is on Instagram, lol. On a serious note, some women take their Instagram “modeling” very serious. She’s one of them. She does those corny ass videos trying to be funny and gets hundreds of thousands of likes. Not sure how much social media and YouTube pay people after getting all those views, but I doubt it’s anywhere near Watson’s type of salary. It probably doesn’t matter. She’ll leave him for some NBA player or rapper soon. Her type will do that no matter how “loyal” Watson claims to be.

I was being sarcastic. I should have hit the button. LoL.

 

[steelbtexan]

As I've posted previously, Watson's agent is trying to make a big name for himself by breaking the NFL's control on player movement.

Very simple

 

[Speedy]

What about Eli Manning declaring he wasn't going to the Chargers in the draft?

Players have tried to force the issue since long ago.

Eli Manning had no signature on a contract. Not the same.

In real life, many people had quit their job, and/or had gone somewhere else when they're unhappy.

In real life, people don’t sign a contract, get a gimongous bonus to do so, then decide they’re unhappy and want out while limiting where the team could send him if they did grant his request and keep all that money as well.

 

[steelbtexan]

After reading these Mahomes vs DW4 posts from what I’ve read I’d rather see a discussion on how to create a TB defense since these rock stars fold under pressure. Hope Lovie has some ideas. I liked it that Culley stated he wants an attacking defense that takes away the will of an offense. Get it done.

I'm still waiting for a HC/DC to say I'm looking for a slow passive defense. Weaver said the same thing as Lovie last offseason. Lovie's defenses haven't been good for yrs.

 

[steelbtexan]

I’m annoyed like everyone else. All these years waiting for elite QB and it’s gone that fast. Not due to decline or ability but rather gross incompetence.

The Texans Way.

Elite?

Define elite

4-12 and yes he was a part of that.

 

[76Texan]

So tell me what "incompetence" was it that was there after he signed the contract that wasn't there before he signed it?

NvMd I read it wrong

 

[76Texan]

Thats just it, he has no real leverage. He sits he is fined, he plays then he does his job. He doesn't actually have any leverage.

He has clout as the franchised QB that just signed a big contract.
If he keeps playing, but doesn't give 110%, the team will suffer.
Just like a big shot lawyer in a big law firm.

 

[maverick512000]

He has clout as the franchised QB that just signed a big contract.
If he keeps playing, but doesn't give 110%, the team will suffer.
Just like a big shot lawyer in a big law firm.

He just played his best year ever and we would have been drafting 3rd behind two teams that were competing to see who could tank the best. Please tell me how we would suffer even more if he doesn't play his best? Also no he doesn't have any clout particularly since almost every player still on the Texans should be on the chopping block seeing as they all played pretty bad. That big contract is exactly why he doesn't have clout, if he had refused to sign and said "I'm playing out my rookie contract and whatever tags they use and then as soon as possible I'm out of here." that would have given him a lot of clout.

 

[Earl34]

Elite?

Define elite

4-12 and yes he was a part of that.

Why are you still fighting this battle? No matter the response, it doesn't change your mind and your response is so subjective is doesn't matter to anyone. He's almost off the team, the fan base is turning against him. Isn't that what you wanted from day 1?

 

[76Texan]

Eli Manning had no signature on a contract. Not the same.



In real life, people don’t sign a contract, get a gimongous bonus to do so, then decide they’re unhappy and want out while limiting where the team could send him if they did grant his request and keep all that money as well.

1. It doesn't have to be the exact same situation.
The fact remains that players had tried to force the issue before.
Duane Brown is another example.
Sometimes the player wins, sometimes he looses, sometimes both the player and the team loses.

2. In real life, many CEOs had forced the issue to take the golden parachute and ride into the sunset.
Some re-emerged with a different organization.
My wife had a couple of bosses like that.
She, herself, took a small package and left the company.
She had offers from other companies, but took some time off and rejoined the workforce a couple of years later with a company that value her skill and input.

 

[76Texan]

The Warden is supposed to be in charge, the comment was the inmates running the prison.

An NFL team is not a prison.

 

[76Texan]

He just played his best year ever and we would have been drafting 3rd behind two teams that were competing to see who could tank the best. Please tell me how we would suffer even more if he doesn't play his best? Also no he doesn't have any clout particularly since almost every player still on the Texans should be on the chopping block seeing as they all played pretty bad. That big contract is exactly why he doesn't have clout, if he had refused to sign and said "I'm playing out my rookie contract and whatever tags they use and then as soon as possible I'm out of here." that would have given him a lot of clout.

You're not talking about the real world.

 

[Earl34]

He just played his best year ever and we would have been drafting 3rd behind two teams that were competing to see who could tank the best. Please tell me how we would suffer even more if he doesn't play his best? Also no he doesn't have any clout particularly since almost every player still on the Texans should be on the chopping block seeing as they all played pretty bad. That big contract is exactly why he doesn't have clout, if he had refused to sign and said "I'm playing out my rookie contract and whatever tags they use and then as soon as possible I'm out of here." that would have given him a lot of clout.

Getting injured while playing on that franchise tag, how much clout does Dak Prescott have? So, if you were Watson, you would play out your rookie contract for five years and then get tag for 2-3 more years? So, you potentially waste 7 years while risking injury playing for a franchise you think is incapable of making the moves necessary to win a championship? That's clout?

 

[steelbtexan]

Why are you still fighting this battle? No matter the response, it doesn't change your mind and your response is so subjective is doesn't matter to anyone. He's almost off the team, the fan base is turning against him. Isn't that what you wanted from day 1?

I wanted him to be a generational QB. From day 1

 

[JB]

I wanted him to be a generational QB. From day 1

And you've been b!tching for 4+ years because he wasn't Mahomes

 

[Dejaview]

I'm still waiting for a HC/DC to say I'm looking for a slow passive defense. Weaver said the same thing as Lovie last offseason. Lovie's defenses haven't been good for yrs.

true but Weaver didn’t have a GM last year to build a D. The “will” comment seems to turn his level of intent up a notch. If anyone knows what a D can do to the will of an O, Culley should know. If you can punk an opponent’s best player the psychological part of the game shifts. Lol it’s got DW4 psyched enough to want to leave.

 

[maverick512000]

You're not talking about the real world.

Yes I am, its what Kirk Cousins did, it what Dak is doing. Problem you and Watson have is you're not talking about the real world because in the real world you don't get to sign a multi million dollar contract and 4 months later, after collecting the signing bonus decide you have changed your mind.

 

[Double Barrel]

What do you think about how a Team can just cut a contract?

You keep preaching hes under contract but we all know he can be cut or just released like JJ. You find it odd that JJ gets to choose his fairy tale ending and DW4 is tied to a tree?

If DW4 blew out his throwing shoulder would yoh honor his contract for the life of?

It's the terms of the contracts under the CBA.

A contract is just a legal agreement between two parties. There's nothing magical about it. If the players want fully guaranteed contracts, then they need to demand it in the next round of CBA negotiations.

Here's the deal: The Texans could cut his contract, but because of the terms, they'd still owe him $111 million. That's the guarantee his agent negotiated.

I don't think some of you guys get it.
The culture that many of the players, including Foster and A.J. we're referring to is the warden running the show.

Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins felt 'like I'm a slave again' after late owner's comments in 2017

Houston Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins said he was "about to sit out" a 2017 game after controversial comments from the team's late owner Robert McNair.

www.usatoday.com

AJ and Foster had come out and said that there were a lot of times when the voice of the players weren't being heard.
Too much lip service and no real beef.

That was why the players, like Watson, tweeted "things never change" (on Kirby).

The trust had been broken one too many times.

This franchise was dysfunctional long before September 2020. We have almost two decades of Houston Texans history well documented on this forum.

He not only signed a long term - and very lucrative - deal with this dysfunctional organization, but he got emotional about it and thanked everyone that he seems to be upset with 4 months later.

Talent has perks; you know that.

Part of the problem is y’all think you’re entitled to something after the game ends. Your $75 in beer and snacks doesn’t buy anything more than a few hours entertainment.

Also, tv money is what enabled these contracts. Not tickets. Not beers.

1/3rd of league revenue is ticket sales. That information came out during the 2020 pandemic season. This does not take into account merchandising and concession sales (which are 100% funded by. . .fans).

And who, exactly, do you think those advertisers that fund the TV deals are advertising to? Hint: it's the FANS.

An NFL team is not a prison.

Have you ever heard of a metaphor?

Turns out that $111 million guaranteed isn't slavery, either.

 

[maverick512000]

Getting injured while playing on that franchise tag, how much clout does Dak Prescott have? So, if you were Watson, you would play out your rookie contract for five years and then get tag for 2-3 more years? So, you potentially waste 7 years while risking injury playing for a franchise you think is incapable of making the moves necessary to win a championship? That's clout?

What are you even talking about? Dak has tons of clout because now Dallas has to meet HIS price or he signs somewhere else, its that simple. Likewise your Watson talk doesn't even make sense, yes he has to play out his rookie contract, every player does. Afterwards the tag is a huge amount of money for a single season and it just goes up to the point Texans would only be able to afford to tag him for 1 year realistically. Then he becomes a F/A and signs where he wants for really whatever price he wants, thats clout. Signing a huge contract and then having buyers remorse does not equal clout when all legal recourses say you're in the wrong.

Oh and by the way apparently he thought that the franchise was in better shape to win a championship with OB as HC and GM seeing as thats when he signed the deal.

 

[76Texan]

Yes I am, its what Kirk Cousins did, it what Dak is doing. Problem you and Watson have is you're not talking about the real world because in the real world you don't get to sign a multi million dollar contract and 4 months later, after collecting the signing bonus decide you have changed your mind.

No, in the real world, anything can happen.
Players had tried to push their agenda before, in various situations.
Whether they're succesful or not isn't the end all be all.
Duane Brown chose to sit out 6 games.
The Texans finally had to deal him, for cheap.
Browns gets a 3-yr extension with the Seahawks, but both sides lost.

 

[76Texan]

It's the terms of the contracts under the CBA.

A contract is just a legal agreement between two parties. There's nothing magical about it. If the players want fully guaranteed contracts, then they need to demand it in the next round of CBA negotiations.

Here's the deal: The Texans could cut his contract, but because of the terms, they'd still owe him $111 million. That's the guarantee his agent negotiated.



This franchise was dysfunctional long before September 2020. We have almost two decades of Houston Texans history well documented on this forum.

He not only signed a long term - and very lucrative - deal with this dysfunctional organization, but he got emotional about it and thanked everyone that he seems to be upset with 4 months later.



1/3rd of league revenue is ticket sales. That information came out during the 2020 pandemic season. This does not take into account merchandising and concession sales (which are 100% funded by. . .fans).

And who, exactly, do you think those advertisers that fund the TV deals are advertising to? Hint: it's the FANS.



Have you ever heard of a metaphor?

Turns out that $111 million guaranteed isn't slavery, either.

Everybody knows it was a metaphor, but it was a bad one. There's simply no place for it.

The signing is one thing.
What Cal McNair promised Watson is another.

 

[Earl34]

What are you even talking about? Dak has tons of clout because now Dallas has to meet HIS price or he signs somewhere else, its that simple. Likewise your Watson talk doesn't even make sense, yes he has to play out his rookie contract, every player does. Afterwards the tag is a huge amount of money for a single season and it just goes up to the point Texans would only be able to afford to tag him for 1 year realistically. Then he becomes a F/A and signs where he wants for really whatever price he wants, thats clout. Signing a huge contract and then having buyers remorse does not equal clout when all legal recourses say you're in the wrong.

Oh and by the way apparently he thought that the franchise was in better shape to win a championship with OB as HC and GM seeing as thats when he signed the deal.

Cowboys can still tag him this year ($37M) and next ($41M). If they don't, we will see how much clout Dak has when he hits the free agent market. Also, I never said Watson had any clout. My point was that playing out the rookie contract and then getting tag 1, 2 or 3 times without any guarantees against injury is a silly risk that most players would not accept. Besides Kirk Cousins, can you recall any player who willingly accepted being franchised over and over without any guarantee money? It's a pointless debate and we can agree to disagree.

 

[76Texan]

What are you even talking about? Dak has tons of clout because now Dallas has to meet HIS price or he signs somewhere else, its that simple. Likewise your Watson talk doesn't even make sense, yes he has to play out his rookie contract, every player does. Afterwards the tag is a huge amount of money for a single season and it just goes up to the point Texans would only be able to afford to tag him for 1 year realistically. Then he becomes a F/A and signs where he wants for really whatever price he wants, thats clout. Signing a huge contract and then having buyers remorse does not equal clout when all legal recourses say you're in the wrong.

Oh and by the way apparently he thought that the franchise was in better shape to win a championship with OB as HC and GM seeing as thats when he signed the deal.

It doesn't matter when and where he sign a new deal.
Somebody is going to pay him sooner or later.

That's the real world.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

There's not 1 GM in the NFL that would say DW4's as good as Mahomes.

Much less trade Mahomes for DW4. Carry on.

Absolutely agree and by the same token......there isn't one player, at any position, on the Texans roster that would replace any of the starters on the KC roster.

On seperate note....Watson has the requisite arm strength to make every type of NFL throw and do it with authority. Hence his competition percentage being the best in NFL history, at the moment. Now, Mahomes has enviable arm strength but I doubt Andy Reid has any plays in his book that has Mahomes standing in the pocket before Hill opens up 75 yards downfield and Mahomes launches a pass that still leads the him the final 15 yards that allows the receiver to catch the 90 yard TD in stride. By the way, that would be impressive.

What we all saw during the TB - KC SB was the Bucs defense completely frustrating Mahomes to the point of looking discombobulated and panicked in the pocket. Some of his throws were ugly panic throws b/c he wasn't sure how long his pocket would remain intact. As the KC team begins to drop expensive talent to rein in their cap situation going forward....Reid may not be able to keep top talent around Mahomes and eventually we see the 2nd SB performance become more of the norm for him going forward. KC may live to regret this contract.

 

[PapaL]

He signed a contract, what says he plays by the same rules as me on those is the law and the fact Texans have a bigger stick. Talent means nothing in front of an arbiter or even judge.

So did Duke Johnson and we just cut him. Where’s the outcry?

You think a contract makes him an indentured servant because there’s compensation for services? Hahaha. Both sides can play hardball. Why cry when the players do the same?

 

[Double Barrel]

Everybody knows it was a metaphor, but it was a bad one. There's simply no place for it.

The signing is one thing.
What Cal McNair promised Watson is another.

I'm not defending the metaphor that an old man used, but I'm also not going to make a mountain out of a molehill about it. And he wasn't even talking about the players. He was referring the relationship between the league's front office and team owners. The statement had NOTHING to do with players.

But yeah, grab the pitchforks. Cancel culture seems to be all the rage these days.

McNair had a black GM at the time. Dude has no history of being a racist, and a character assassination on the man for a business negotiation with Watson just seems dubious, at best, and just straight up unscrupulous, at worst.

And what, exactly, did Cal "promise" Watson? Did Watson really think that the GM hire was his decision alone?? That screams entitlement.

If we, as fans, already knew that Cal was high on Caserio as GM as far back as January 2018, then where the heck has Watson been this whole time?

Unless something much more sinister is revealed as the reason(s) for Watson's alienation, it seems to many of us that he's just being lead around by his shark agent. It does not suggest a leader of men.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

The NFL teams all want things to stay in house.
As a player, Watson had formally asked for a trade at least a week before the Caserio's hire.
It was reported by the media.
Everybody knew Watson's stand.
There's no need to say anything else.

I doubt that the Caserio hire had anything to do with Watson being upset with the Texans. The McNairs and Texans have been after Caserio while Daddy McNair was still around and at no time did Watson have an issue with the Texans pursuit of Caserio.

I think the biggest duck-up in this whole situation resides squarely on the shoulders of Easterby's arrival, his ascent to his current position, and the power he possesses with Cally Boy. Easterby's biggest line crosser with every player in the Texans locker room may have involved him contacting Watson's mom. Easterby is a cancer that has infested the organization and like a cult leader.....he has Cally Boy hanging on his every word.

Momma McNair may be the only adult in the office that may come to her senses and fire Easterby b/c of the unhealthy relationship her son has with this cult leader.

 

[theCATALYST]

In 2009 he had a great yr.

I'm glad he had a long career after he got hurt. Wanna talk about a guy who was truly mistreated by this city. He lead the league one yr in passing and you didn't here fans on this MB talking about how Schaub was some kind of elite QB. DW4 leads the league in passing 1 yr on a terrible team because they were playing from behind all yr and suddenly he's a GOAT. Man some will believe anything.

Mistreated?
In what world could anyone justifiably compare Schaub to Watson? As unhappy as I am with Watson's antics as of late, he is 100% a better QB than Schaub could ever dream to be. Period.

 

[maverick512000]

No, in the real world, anything can happen.
Players had tried to push their agenda before, in various situations.
Whether they're succesful or not isn't the end all be all.
Duane Brown chose to sit out 6 games.
The Texans finally had to deal him, for cheap.
Browns gets a 3-yr extension with the Seahawks, but both sides lost.

Duane made Bob McNair mad and he said "get him out of here at any price." Also the new CBA has been signed since then. I agree though either side came out really as the "winner'.

 

[thunderkyss]

He also hit Robinson in the facemask in the EZ while falling down and was playing without both of his OT's. Wonder how Mahomes would've done with Tunsil protecting his blindside? You dont have to tear one guy down to build your guy up.

But that’s exactly what you’re doing.

Yes, Mahomes would do well with Tunsil on his left side & the rest of KC’s OL. But I bet he look more like he did in the Super Bowl with the Texans starting five. & he’d almost always have some nagging injury even though we don’t hear about them.

I’m not arguing they are different. I agree with you. Mahomes is without a doubt more physically talented.

But he was protected in the Super Bowl the way Watson is every game (probably the main reason he wants out). Now maybe Mahomes would have done a better job hitting the short routes, hot routes, or whatever. We don’t know. He didn’t in the Super Bowl. He acted just like Watson, holding the ball trying to make something happen.

 

[Jack Burton]

Getting injured while playing on that franchise tag, how much clout does Dak Prescott have? So, if you were Watson, you would play out your rookie contract for five years and then get tag for 2-3 more years? So, you potentially waste 7 years while risking injury playing for a franchise you think is incapable of making the moves necessary to win a championship? That's clout?

Kirk Cousins made over $100 million in tags and rookie pay. Then got even more in FA. If Prescott was tagged again this year he would be making 37.8 MIL.
For one year. That’s in the form of a check up front that you can immediately invest. That’s damn good money.

 

[maverick512000]

So did Duke Johnson and we just cut him. Where’s the outcry?

You think a contract makes him an indentured servant because there’s compensation for services? Hahaha. Both sides can play hardball. Why cry when the players do the same?

What in the blue hell are you talking about? A contract makes him as much an "indentured servant" as it does anyone else in this country that signs a contract. By your logic I'm an indentured servant to my bank because of my mortgage and to my car dealership. If they want to call me up one day and say "You know what, we just drop a crap ton of acid and we are really high so we are going to tear up your contract and its now yours free and clear." that is their complete right. In the real world once I fulfill the tersm of the contract, IE pay off what I owe, then I'm again free and clear to do whatever I want. Thats business 101.

Geeze stop trying to make this some kind of "Justice for NFL players" issue. They sign a contract just like someone in any other field and if they don't like the terms then they shouldn't sign it.

 

[Jack Burton]

What in the blue hell are you talking about? A contract makes him as much an "indentured servant" as it does anyone else in this country that signs a contract. By your logic I'm an indentured servant to my bank because of my mortgage and to my car dealership. If they want to call me up one day and say "You know what, we just drop a crap ton of acid and we are really high so we are going to tear up your contract and its now yours free and clear." that is their complete right. In the real world once I fulfill the tersm of the contract, IE pay off what I owe, then I'm again free and clear to do whatever I want. Thats business 101.

Geeze stop trying to make this some kind of "Justice for NFL players" issue. They sign a contract just like someone in any other field and if they don't like the terms then they shouldn't sign it.

If Watson had just gotten $160 million.
Then there would have been real “justice”....
; )

 

[76Texan]

I doubt that the Caserio hire had anything to do with Watson being upset with the Texans. The McNairs and Texans have been after Caserio while Daddy McNair was still around and at no time did Watson have an issue with the Texans pursuit of Caserio.

I think the biggest duck-up in this whole situation resides squarely on the shoulders of Easterby's arrival, his ascent to his current position, and the power he possesses with Cally Boy. Easterby's biggest line crosser with every player in the Texans locker room may have involved him contacting Watson's mom. Easterby is a cancer that has infested the organization and like a cult leader.....he has Cally Boy hanging on his every word.

Momma McNair may be the only adult in the office that may come to her senses and fire Easterby b/c of the unhealthy relationship her son has with this cult leader.

I don't know how to multi-quote on my Android phone, so this goes for @Double Barrel , too.

Yes. That was why I mentioned Jack Easterby in one post.
I also mentioned that the initial request was made before the Caserio's hire.
But it could firm up Watson's stance to a point of no return.

 

[76Texan]

What in the blue hell are you talking about? A contract makes him as much an "indentured servant" as it does anyone else in this country that signs a contract. By your logic I'm an indentured servant to my bank because of my mortgage and to my car dealership. If they want to call me up one day and say "You know what, we just drop a crap ton of acid and we are really high so we are going to tear up your contract and its now yours free and clear." that is their complete right. In the real world once I fulfill the tersm of the contract, IE pay off what I owe, then I'm again free and clear to do whatever I want. Thats business 101.

Geeze stop trying to make this some kind of "Justice for NFL players" issue. They sign a contract just like someone in any other field and if they don't like the terms then they shouldn't sign it.

A contract in no way stops the signee from trying to get out of it.

That's the real world.

 

[maverick512000]

Cowboys can still tag him this year ($37M) and next ($41M). If they don't, we will see how much clout Dak has when he hits the free agent market. Also, I never said Watson had any clout. My point was that playing out the rookie contract and then getting tag 1, 2 or 3 times without any guarantees against injury is a silly risk that most players would not accept. Besides Kirk Cousins, can you recall any player who willingly accepted being franchised over and over without any guarantee money? It's a pointless debate and we can agree to disagree.

We can yes but consider this, other than Cousins and Dak can you recall any proven QB that wasn't signed as soon as a team even thought they might leave? I don't blame Watson for signing the contract, I blame him for signing the contract and then 4 months later, when things actually look like they might improve, saying he wants out.

 

[maverick512000]

A contract in no way stops the signee from trying to get out of it.

That's the real world.

Bolded the word that matters in that statement.

 

[thunderkyss]

Cowboys can still tag him this year ($37M) and next ($41M). If they don't, we will see how much clout Dak has when he hits the free agent market. Also, I never said Watson had any clout. My point was that playing out the rookie contract and then getting tag 1, 2 or 3 times without any guarantees against injury is a silly risk that most players would not accept. Besides Kirk Cousins, can you recall any player who willingly accepted being franchised over and over without any guarantee money? It's a pointless debate and we can agree to disagree.

We’re talking about QBs where their franchise number is worth the risk.

A difference between Cousins/Dak & Watson is they were on 4 year rookie deals. Watson was locked up for 5.

But yes, this is basically a new thing. Things like this don’t generally happen. That’s why it’s shocking.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I don't know how to multi-quote on my Android phone, so this goes for @Double Barrel , too.

Yes. That was why I mentioned Jack Easterby in one post.
I also mentioned that the initial request was made before the Caserio's hire.
But it could firm up Watson's stance to a point of no return.

Watson may have seen the writing on the wall when Cally Boy decided to promote Cult Leader to Executive VP of Football Operations while giving him a major seat of input at the Texans Table of Decisions.

Easterby may get substantial input in the Texans rebuild and Watson (Agent) may be thinking it's time to get the hail out of town. I feel like the Texans are living a real life plot from "Trading Places". Momma and Cally Boy are cruising Houston in their chauffeured Rolls and while at a stop light, Easterby hops off his box and starts slapping the side window and telling them the world is going to end while pressing the Bible against the window. After some snobbish comments, Cally Boy pipes up and states, Momma....I think anyone could be an NFL Executive VP of Football Operatiions if put in the proper setting. Mamma stated, you want to bet? Now we as fans find ourselves witnessing the plot with a different ending being written right before our eyes. Instead of everything ending successfully and great, this version is proving that no matter the environment, the soap box doomsday professor is just that.....and nothing more.

 

[Jack Burton]

We can yes but consider this, other than Cousins and Dak can you recall any proven QB that wasn't signed as soon as a team even thought they might leave? I don't blame Watson for signing the contract, I blame him for signing the contract and then 4 months later, when things actually look like they might improve, saying he wants out.

It’s a bad look. He was crying while signing for a ridiculously massive amount of money just 7 months ago.
Now, HOU is the devil. LOL

 

[76Texan]

Watson may have seen the writing on the wall when Cally Boy decided to promote Cult Leader to Executive VP of Football Operations while giving him a major seat of input at the Texans Table of Decisions.

Easterby may get substantial input in the Texans rebuild and Watson (Agent) may be thinking it's time to get the hail out of town. I feel like the Texans are living a real life plot from "Trading Places". Momma and Cally Boy are cruising Houston in their chauffeured Rolls and while at a stop light, Easterby hops off his box and starts slapping the side window and telling them the world is going to end while pressing the Bible against the window. After some snobbish comments, Cally Boy pipes up and states, Momma....I think anyone could be an NFL Executive VP of Football Operatiions if put in the proper setting. Mamma stated, you want to bet? Now we as fans find ourselves witnessing the plot with a different ending being written right before our eyes. Instead of everything ending successfully and great, this version is proving that no matter the environment, the soap box doomsday professor is just that.....and nothing more.

Yes, I think it started there:

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I believe that during the season, in a press conference, Watson had talked about some people "who thinks that he has certain power" (qualification to give certain inputs and/or make certain decision).

 

[Double Barrel]

I don't know how to multi-quote on my Android phone, so this goes for @Double Barrel , too.

Yes. That was why I mentioned Jack Easterby in one post.
I also mentioned that the initial request was made before the Caserio's hire.
But it could firm up Watson's stance to a point of no return.

I'm no fan of Easterby. I think he's a gigantic doofus, to put it nicely.

But, he's been marginalized and publicly ridiculed by the national media. Rightly or wrongly, dude won't be able to walk out with the team unless he's prepared to be boo'ed. And these owners are not afraid to fire people, so it might just be a matter of time so the owners can save face and not look like they caved to media & public demands.

The speculated reasons for Watson's position provided so far just don't add up. Something else is going on here, and until we have more official confirmation from at least one side, it's just rumors and speculation.

A contract in no way stops the signee from trying to get out of it.

That's the real world.

He can easily get out of his contract. Don't play. Nobody on this planet can make him play.

But, if he wants to play in the NFL, then he's got a contract with an NFL franchise that clearly states the terms of his employment.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I'm no fan of Easterby. I think he's a gigantic doofus, to put it nicely.

But, he's been marginalized and publicly ridiculed by the national media. Rightly or wrongly, dude won't be able to walk out with the team unless he's prepared to be boo'ed. And these owners are not afraid to fire people, so it might just be a matter of time so the owners can save face and not look like they caved to media & public demands.

The speculated reasons for Watson's position provided so far just don't add up. Something else is going on here, and until we have more official confirmation from at least one side, it's just rumors and speculation.



He can easily get out of his contract. Don't play. Nobody on this planet can make him play.

But, if he wants to play in the NFL, then he's got a contract with an NFL franchise that clearly states the terms of his employment.

This situation has to be handled strictly from a business standpoint. Watson has alienated his Houston fans for the most part. The McNair's and Easterby are already on the fans shite list. To let this situation fester any further would do mutual damage to both sides....there would be no winner. Is there a unknown way to make what has been made public, go away, and everyone ends up happy? No, the irreparable damage has been done.

At this juncture, the only thing that would put flowers on this shite-storm......trade Watson for a massive haul that truly puts the Texans franchise in a position to begin a real rebuild in earnest. What would toss a jar of cherries on top.....fire Easterby's worthless arse and let Caserio begin putting his stamp on this franchise. I believe every Texans fan might have renewed respect for Family McNair.

 

[76Texan]

I'm no fan of Easterby. I think he's a gigantic doofus, to put it nicely.

But, he's been marginalized and publicly ridiculed by the national media. Rightly or wrongly, dude won't be able to walk out with the team unless he's prepared to be boo'ed. And these owners are not afraid to fire people, so it might just be a matter of time so the owners can save face and not look like they caved to media & public demands.

The speculated reasons for Watson's position provided so far just don't add up. Something else is going on here, and until we have more official confirmation from at least one side, it's just rumors and speculation.



He can easily get out of his contract. Don't play. Nobody on this planet can make him play.

But, if he wants to play in the NFL, then he's got a contract with an NFL franchise that clearly states the terms of his employment.

Yes, we don't have all of the information.

As regard to the contract, I'll let the parties involved figure it out.

How To Terminating A Contract: The Many Ways to End A Legally Binding Relationship | Soble Law (Proven Resource)

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[Texansballer74]

Man bump that quitting bleep 76. Watson is basically quitting and I don’t see how anyone could agree with his weak antics. Who signs one of the highest contracts in NFL history and then turns around and demands a trade?

 

[Double Barrel]

This situation has to be handled strictly from a business standpoint. Watson has alienated his Houston fans for the most part. The McNair's and Easterby are already on the fans shite list. To let this situation fester any further would do mutual damage to both sides....there would be no winner. Is there a unknown way to make what has been made public, go away, and everyone ends up happy? No, the irreparable damage has been done.

At this juncture, the only thing that would put flowers on this shite-storm......trade Watson for a massive haul that truly puts the Texans franchise in a position to begin a real rebuild in earnest. What would toss a jar of cherries on top.....fire Easterby's worthless arse and let Caserio begin putting his stamp on this franchise. I believe every Texans fan might have renewed respect for Family McNair.

Yep. It's just business. Time to cut our losses and move on with the best option for the Houston Texans.

If Watson is truly serious about wanting out, waive the NTC and let Caserio make it happen. Otherwise, he's wanting his cake while eating it, too.

Yes, we don't have all of the information.

As regard to the contract, I'll let the parties involved figure it out.

How To Terminating A Contract: The Many Ways to End A Legally Binding Relationship | Soble Law (Proven Resource)

There are many reasons you may want or even need to terminate a contract. There are several legal ways that you can go about terminating a contract.

provenresource.com

lol Nice try, man.

But, you're fooling yourself if you think some podunk lawyer website has any chance of undermining the work of the deep pocketed lawyers of the NFL and NFLPA.

 

[Texansballer74]

This situation has to be handled strictly from a business standpoint. Watson has alienated his Houston fans for the most part. The McNair's and Easterby are already on the fans shite list. To let this situation fester any further would do mutual damage to both sides....there would be no winner. Is there a unknown way to make what has been made public, go away, and everyone ends up happy? No, the irreparable damage has been done.

At this juncture, the only thing that would put flowers on this shite-storm......trade Watson for a massive haul that truly puts the Texans franchise in a position to begin a real rebuild in earnest. What would toss a jar of cherries on top.....fire Easterby's worthless arse and let Caserio begin putting his stamp on this franchise. I believe every Texans fan might have renewed respect for Family McNair.

If they trade him the NFL will go down the same path as the NBA. This will not be a good look for them. If Watson sit out , it will be bad for him and orher players who tries to force a trade after signing a huge contract.

 

[SnakeEyes]

After reading these Mahomes vs DW4 posts from what I’ve read I’d rather see a discussion on how to create a TB defense since these rock stars fold under pressure. Hope Lovie has some ideas. I liked it that Culley stated he wants an attacking defense that takes away the will of an offense. Get it done.

Yes, I am excited to see if Culley will be able to get the D doing what he said. I remember watching games of the Steelers, to name 1 team. They had guys on the DL, they had LBs and DBs that imposed their will on other teams. You saw RBs look scared by the second quarter to run at Kirkland or Lloyd because they knew. Casey Hampton also was like that. And other teams that had good playoff runs with guys like Atwater, Norton, Long, Troy P, Lynch, Sapp, and more. The D was made to hit you even if you didn't catch the pass or have the ball on a fake run. The old "Make them not want to be on the field. Make them fear going across the middle for a pass." THAT mentally as long as they kept it legal won some teams games they should have lost. Look at what Dallas did on the defensive side of the ball vs Buffalo in that first SB meeting. Thomas was on the bench shaking his head and he actually did not come back in much after the first couple times he was blown up by the Dallas D. Kenneth Davis tried and I still can see Ken Norton with his hand under his facemask just driving him backwards. If we could have a D like that...look out. And you had Reggie White and Jerome Brown (RIP) in Philly making QBs make mistakes just from the thought of either or both hitting them again.

Get a D set up like that...and you have a good chance to win almost every game. Or shall we say a higher than 50-50 chance every game in theory starts at.

 

[SnakeEyes]

This could cause a problem.

https://www.radio.com/sportsradio610/sports/houston-texans/lopez-deshaun-watson-might-have-a-magic-bullet-for-texans