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Duane Brown traded to Seahawks

stingray said:
You are making excuses.. I rather have my wife tell me that our relationship is on the rocks and in danger of failing unless I start changing my ways, than instead her just ******* the first guy she is attracted to.
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You are confusing real life with entertainment.
 
Texanmike02 said:
Seriously? Have you watched us play defense? Our backfield is terrible. I would love to move Kareem to S, if Johnson can play cb...

This was a move trying to address a need today and get something in the future.

I'm happy.
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I've been posting for over 4 years now that KJax should be a FS so he has a chance to face plays. I mean, how many times do we have to witness him getting burned or tackling a WR to prevent getting burned? He just can't play with his back to the play and especially when there isn't a top notch pass rush to help him. Since his arrival...his best seasons have only occurred when the Texans had a dominant pass rush. He's fast and physical enough to be an above average FS.
 
Lane was a toss in to help Seattle clear some cap room. Who knows, Lane may wind up being a big jump in talent based on the way the teams DB's looked on Sunday. Hope he's healthy enough to return to the field in a week or two so the staff knows what kind of player they've added to the defense.
 
The holdout wasn't about money. It was about Brown not having a shred of respect for McNair and his beliefs. Sucks that political agendas found their way into my favorite sport. Just as bad as some of the stomach turning posts popping up around here drawing their lines.

We still have Watson to take our mind off the daily stress, I just wonder how long before he's either called an Uncle Tom by the protesters or a communist by the the other side.

Go Stros!
 
thunderkyss said:
To be clear, outside of Jonathan Joseph, we don't have a starting caliber DB on the roster.
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I wouldn’t go that far. Johnson has played very well at times, he just needs to stay healthy. I think KJax could be a solid SS, he just doesn’t have the wheels for corner anymore
 
badboy said:
yep, I just don't like available tackles but could see trading up for another position. We have three 6ths and draft really deep so far with corners, some who could play safety.
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I doubt we could move up to the top 5 but Minkah Fitzpatrick from Bama is the real deal and I'm not saying that as a homer. He can play every position in the backfield and excel at each one

true freshman 3 year starter

vocal leader and coverage caller

scored the same as Saban on the Bama personality test

Thorpe award finalist

Freshman All-American

If we get him which I HIGHLY doubt I will be fully erect

/rant
 
otisbean said:
I wouldn’t go that far. Johnson has played very well at times, he just needs to stay healthy. I think KJax could be a solid SS, he just doesn’t have the wheels for corner anymore
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Not this season. Kevin Johnson has not played a single snap, that I can recall, as a solid starting CB in this league.

Maybe on Kareem, but they got him at corner & it's embarrassing. He's averaging $9M/yr... maybe that's what upset Brown. Kjax making as much as he is, they offered Bouye $12M/yr, & made Hopkins the top paid WR after a down year.

I can see Brown thinking he deserved a bigger piece of the pie.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not this season. Kevin Johnson has not played a single snap, that I can recall, as a solid starting CB in this league.
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Same here, everyone is ready and willing to break out the "bust" tag on Braxton because of his subpar play and constant injury status but somehow Kjo gets a pass for the exact same thing.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Brian Cushing is more of a "moron" than a "cheater."

Duane Brown is a moron too. And a lying, delusional, perpetually aggrieved, whiny, cancerous piece of **** who left his team out to dry then acted like he was being such a big hero coming back 8 weeks later and 3 million dollars lighter.

I'd rather have the guy who's just a moron.

But come next year we'l have neither so it doesn't matter.
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Damn dude WTH did Duane do to you? How is he a cheater? I can understand being angry or upset but I wouldn't call him cancerous. Guy is playing what is probably one of the most demanding and taxing positions-both mentally and physically and wants to get paid and has a short shelf life before his time is up in the NFL.

Moving on I'm not happy about this...we need a solid LT and Duane proves he is one and given our GM and FOs track record in the draft I wouldn't be surprised if they wasted the draft picks we got on some scrubs who end up being hot garbage. Also Lane isn't even an upgrade for our DBs and is merely another warm body to throw out their.
 
adama51 said:
Same here, everyone is ready and willing to break out the "bust" tag on Braxton because of his subpar play and constant injury status but somehow Kjo gets a pass for the exact same thing.
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Well I don't want to defend him... but the bench hasn't caught one damn pass with KJo defending it... just sayin.
 
Uncle Rico said:
The holdout wasn't about money. It was about Brown not having a shred of respect for McNair and his beliefs. Sucks that political agendas found their way into my favorite sport. Just as bad as some of the stomach turning posts popping up around here drawing their lines.

We still have Watson to take our mind off the daily stress, I just wonder how long before he's either called an Uncle Tom by the protesters or a communist by the the other side.

Go Stros!
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I said this from the beginning of DB's holdout.
 
From Patrick Starr:

Brown has been unhappy with the Texans since the end of last season due to his contract situation. The long time Texan wanted a new deal after a crazy off-season where the offensive tackle market went sky high with contracts. The Texans balked at the idea of giving him a new deal with two years left on his current 6-year deal. Brown also wanted to be closer to his wife who is living in California and there was some resentment formed.

Brown with the organization or not reportedly supporting his cause when he held up his fist last season.


With all of those factors, Brown wanted out of Houston and that caused his extended holdout from the team while the Texans shopped Brown. The Seahawks emerged early in the process and the price tag for Brown could not be matched initially.


Brown reported after the bye due to his contract potentially tolling if he did not report in time. He came back due to contract obligations but his intent was to end up on the west coast, closer to his wife with a fresh start in another organization.
 
powda said:
Im typically critical of our trades. Happy here. Good job rs.
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Now lets hope Ricky can find a LT instead of blowing the picks.

I would feel alot better about finding a LT/OG's if Gibbs was still here, rather than the Devlin. This is the group of coaches/scouts that thought drafting XSF, adding Allen in FA and re-signing Newton was a great idea.

Why do I say coaches/scouts and not Ricky? Because we know Ricky can do no wrong on this MB.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From Patrick Starr:

Brown has been unhappy with the Texans since the end of last season due to his contract situation. The long time Texan wanted a new deal after a crazy off-season where the offensive tackle market went sky high with contracts. The Texans balked at the idea of giving him a new deal with two years left on his current 6-year deal. Brown also wanted to be closer to his wife who is living in California and there was some resentment formed.

Brown with the organization or not reportedly supporting his cause when he held up his fist last season.


With all of those factors, Brown wanted out of Houston and that caused his extended holdout from the team while the Texans shopped Brown. The Seahawks emerged early in the process and the price tag for Brown could not be matched initially.


Brown reported after the bye due to his contract potentially tolling if he did not report in time. He came back due to contract obligations but his intent was to end up on the west coast, closer to his wife with a fresh start in another organization.
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Seems pretty accurate. Good to see some movement in NFL via trades before deadline for a change. Seahawks, Eagles, pushing forward now while Texans and Patriots pairing rosters while adding future picks.

I would expect Texans in the offseason to address OL, via free agency, then again in draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Now lets hope Ricky can find a LT instead of blowing the picks.

I would feel alot better about finding a LT/OG's if Gibbs was still here, rather than the Devlin. This is the group of coaches/scouts that thought drafting XSF, adding Allen in FA and re-signing Newton was a great idea.

Why do I say coaches/scouts and not Ricky? Because we know Ricky can do no wrong on this MB.
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Not too sure how you came to this conclusion.

The godfather gets his fair share of blame around here. It's my mission statement.

I've also shared my doubts about the competence of our scouting department.

Coaching only works when you have talent that can be coached up.


:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
Not too sure how you came to this conclusion.

The godfather gets his fair share of blame around here. It's my mission statement.

I've also shared my doubts about the competence of our scouting department.

Coaching only works when you have talent that can be coached up.


:coffee:
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We are lone voices in yelling in a forest full of excuse makers.
 
beerlover said:
Seems pretty accurate. Good to see some movement in NFL via trades before deadline for a change. Seahawks, Eagles, pushing forward now while Texans and Patriots pairing rosters while adding future picks.

I would expect Texans in the offseason to address OL, via free agency, then again in draft.
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Why?

The Texans have a history of not participating in FA.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From Patrick Starr:

Brown has been unhappy with the Texans since the end of last season due to his contract situation. The long time Texan wanted a new deal after a crazy off-season where the offensive tackle market went sky high with contracts. The Texans balked at the idea of giving him a new deal with two years left on his current 6-year deal. Brown also wanted to be closer to his wife who is living in California and there was some resentment formed.

Brown with the organization or not reportedly supporting his cause when he held up his fist last season.


With all of those factors, Brown wanted out of Houston and that caused his extended holdout from the team while the Texans shopped Brown. The Seahawks emerged early in the process and the price tag for Brown could not be matched initially.


Brown reported after the bye due to his contract potentially tolling if he did not report in time. He came back due to contract obligations but his intent was to end up on the west coast, closer to his wife with a fresh start in another organization.
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All of that makes sense to me.
 
DownByContact said:
Everyone keeps talking about Cushing being busted with PED's yet everyone keeps forgetting that DB got busted too and was suspended for it.
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No one is forgetting about DB and PEDs; it was covered in the DB thread. Brian has been caught twice and currently serving his second suspension. DB is no longer our problem; I'd expect Cushing, his long history of PEDs, and his salary to no longer be our problem after this year.
 
disaacks3 said:
Negative. He had his suspension overturned.
Bad Beef vs. masking agent.
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DB was caught twice. Served first suspension (2010) and the second (2016) was overturned.

Duane Brown banned four games
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5600928

Houston left tackle Duane Brown was suspended Tuesday for four games without pay for violating the NFL's policy on performance enhancing drugs, joining linebacker Brian Cushing on the sideline for the same infraction.
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Report: Texans’ Duane Brown gets PED suspension overturned due to bad beef
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/houston-texans-duane-brown-suspension-overturned-bad-beef-050316
Houston Texans offensive tackle Duane Brown had his 10-game suspension for violating the league’s policy on performance-enhancing drugs overturned, claiming he ingested bad beef while on vacation, ESPN reported Tuesday.

Brown was suspended last season after he tested positive for clenbuterol, which is on the league’s banned substance list. He appealed the suspension and won, arguing that the result was based on eating too much meat during a trip to Mexico.
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DownByContact said:
Wasn't that for his second bust 10 game suspension. He served a 4 game suspension for PED's before that, unless I'm remembering wrong.

Edit:
https://scout.com/nfl/texans/Article/Houston-Texans-Duane-Brown-Avoids-10-Game-Suspension--74992355

Got busted in 2010, than the beef situation.
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PapaL said:
DB was caught twice. Served first suspension (2010) and the second (2016) was overturned.

Duane Brown banned four games
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5600928



Report: Texans’ Duane Brown gets PED suspension overturned due to bad beef
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/houston-texans-duane-brown-suspension-overturned-bad-beef-050316

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Yeah, you guys are right, I was thinking about the second one.
 
I don’t think that Lane is supposed to be a big part of the trade. He’s got a $6M cap hit for 2018 and 2019 as mentioned, but zero dead money in those two years. He is only paid a little over $2M this year. It’s a tryout run that will probably see him on the team in 2018, but could easily be a cap casualty thereafter. We do need some talented bodies there and Lane was once promising. $6M isn’t going to kill your cap, especially when you can get out of the contract.

The draft picks are the real prize. The 2019 2nd is a good pick to add, I would like to see us not trade it to move up in this draft. We have a lot of mid round to late round picks in the 2018 draft. Two in the 3rd, a 4th, two 5ths, and three in 6th round (assuming comp picks). We may not get top 50 talent in the 2018 draft, but we are going to have a lot of opportunities in the mid rounds to add depth to the team. It would be nice to go into the 2019 draft with that extra pick.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
I don’t think that Lane is supposed to be a big part of the trade. He’s got a $6M cap hit for 2018 and 2019 as mentioned, but zero dead money in those two years. He is only paid a little over $2M this year. It’s a tryout run that will probably see him on the team in 2018, but could easily be a cap casualty thereafter. We do need some talented bodies there and Lane was once promising. $6M isn’t going to kill your cap, especially when you can get out of the contract.

The draft picks are the real prize. The 2019 2nd is a good pick to add, I would like to see us not trade it to move up in this draft. We have a lot of mid round to late round picks in the 2018 draft. Two in the 3rd, a 4th, two 5ths, and three in 6th round (assuming comp picks). We may not get top 50 talent in the 2018 draft, but we are going to have a lot of opportunities in the mid rounds to add depth to the team. It would be nice to go into the 2019 draft with that extra pick.
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Correct. Lane was just thrown in to sweeten the deal. His value is DB depth, not a starting role.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don’t think that Lane is supposed to be a big part of the trade. He’s got a $6M cap hit for 2018 and 2019 as mentioned, but zero dead money in those two years. He is only paid a little over $2M this year. It’s a tryout run that will probably see him on the team in 2018, but could easily be a cap casualty thereafter. We do need some talented bodies there and Lane was once promising. $6M isn’t going to kill your cap, especially when you can get out of the contract.

The draft picks are the real prize. The 2019 2nd is a good pick to add, I would like to see us not trade it to move up in this draft. We have a lot of mid round to late round picks in the 2018 draft. Two in the 3rd, a 4th, two 5ths, and three in 6th round (assuming comp picks). We may not get top 50 talent in the 2018 draft, but we are going to have a lot of opportunities in the mid rounds to add depth to the team. It would be nice to go into the 2019 draft with that extra pick.
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This is the way I see it. Great trade for both teams. Lane will likely stick around, $6M isn't bad for even a JAG corner. IMO, next years draft is opposite of last year as far as DB and OT depth. 2018 draft is loaded with first round OT talent that will fall to day 2 and even day 3, but not very deep for defensive backs. Hopefully we will likely pick up multiple tackles in 2018 draft and then go after some top end DB talent in a deeper 2019 pool.
 
Not so sure Lane was just "thrown in" as a filler for the trade like some here are saying. He most definitely could figure into the texans' defensive plans next year as a key starter. For 1, He has at least some pedigree of playing well, he's just been hurt alot & it seems the Seahawks were unwilling to continue to wait for him to get and stay healthy. Aside from that, The Texans have been grooming Kjax for the transition to safety for a while now. He took snaps at safety all throughout OTA's this year & if i recall, he played a couple of series' for us at safety in the playoffs last year against the pats. He's also at his best when blitzing and coming up in run support both of which are seriously important safety characteristics and why i think he's been our best all around cb this year.

in 2018, I could easily see us going with Lane and J-jo as the starting outside CB's......K-jo as the slot CB with Hal & K-jax as our starting safeties. There's TONS of versatility there with K-jax & Hal each capable of playing CB. In addition, K-jo and Lane would be able to switch between slot and outside Cb as well...
 
Addition by subtraction, the Texans way. Butt hurt feelings and politics aside, for the 2017 season this move weakens the team. And right now, as a fan, that's all that matters. The offensive line is garbage and it's only Watson's mobility and elusiveness that is saving his ass out there every week. As a fan (don't care about stupid politics), I was happy to see Brown's return to the line only because it offered more protection for our shiny, new QB.

I just hope they don't end up with Deshaun Watson suffering form David Carr syndrome or RGIIIitis before they can install a line to protect him. I do not have much confidence that this front office can meet that deadline. His best bet is to trust his own instincts and minimize unnecessary hits. It might be his best hope for long term survival for awhile.
 
Double Barrel said:
Addition by subtraction, the Texans way. Butt hurt feelings and politics aside, for the 2017 season this move weakens the team. And right now, as a fan, that's all that matters. The offensive line is garbage and it's only Watson's mobility and elusiveness that is saving his ass out there every week. As a fan (don't care about stupid politics), I was happy to see Brown's return to the line only because it offered more protection for our shiny, new QB.

I just hope they don't end up with Deshaun Watson suffering form David Carr syndrome or RGIIIitis before they can install a line to protect him. I do not have much confidence that this front office can meet that deadline. His best bet is to trust his own instincts and minimize unnecessary hits. It might be his best hope for long term survival for awhile.
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Reading your post reminds me of the whole Ed Reed and how that blew up and he became a cancer in the locker room. Definitely don't want to go down that road again, and DB has the potential to become an Ed Reed. It may hurt in the short run, but definitely worth it given the downside possibilities.
 
Double Barrel said:
Addition by subtraction, the Texans way. Butt hurt feelings and politics aside, for the 2017 season this move weakens the team. And right now, as a fan, that's all that matters. The offensive line is garbage and it's only Watson's mobility and elusiveness that is saving his ass out there every week. As a fan (don't care about stupid politics), I was happy to see Brown's return to the line only because it offered more protection for our shiny, new QB.

I just hope they don't end up with Deshaun Watson suffering form David Carr syndrome or RGIIIitis before they can install a line to protect him. I do not have much confidence that this front office can meet that deadline. His best bet is to trust his own instincts and minimize unnecessary hits. It might be his best hope for long term survival for awhile.
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Honest question, because I couldn't watch the game. With DB added to the line this past game, was the line better, same, or worst?
 
TexansBull said:
Reading your post reminds me of the whole Ed Reed and how that blew up and he became a cancer in the locker room. Definitely don't want to go down that road again, and DB has the potential to become an Ed Reed. It may hurt in the short run, but definitely worth it given the downside possibilities.
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True, but this situation and how the Texans handled it could also prove to be it own form of cancer for this franchise as a whole. McNair's carefully cultivated image is just that: carefully cultivated.
 
DownByContact said:
Honest question, because I couldn't watch the game. With DB added to the line this past game, was the line better, same, or worst?
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I thought he held up well considering it's his first game this year. He was not dominated by anyone, iirc. Dude is clearly better than any other lineman on the roster, especially after he gets a few games under his belt and develops some chemistry with the rest of the line. The Seahawks got an instant upgrade to protect Wilson.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not this season. Kevin Johnson has not played a single snap, that I can recall, as a solid starting CB in this league.

Maybe on Kareem, but they got him at corner & it's embarrassing. He's averaging $9M/yr... maybe that's what upset Brown. Kjax making as much as he is, they offered Bouye $12M/yr, & made Hopkins the top paid WR after a down year.

I can see Brown thinking he deserved a bigger piece of the pie.
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I agree KJo hasn’t looked good this year at all. To me he looks very rusty. However last season and the season prior he looked really good so at least he’s got good film at the NFL level. Hopefully his
 
adama51 said:
Same here, everyone is ready and willing to break out the "bust" tag on Braxton because of his subpar play and constant injury status but somehow Kjo gets a pass for the exact same thing.
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I think the thing with Braxton is he was so dynamic in college and thus far it hasn’t translated, and that’s the frustration. Personally, I’m giving the entire O a pass for last year due to the BO effect. I’m very hopeful Miller starts to show glimpses of the playmaker we expected him to be. I definitely don’t view him as a bust
 
otisbean said:
I think the thing with Braxton is he was so dynamic in college and thus far it hasn’t translated, and that’s the frustration. Personally, I’m giving the entire O a pass for last year due to the BO effect. I’m very hopeful Miller starts to show glimpses of the playmaker we expected him to be. I definitely don’t view him as a bust
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Unless he is hurt again his spot is already taken by Ellington. He is doing everything for the Texans right now that Miller did at tOSU. I was a big Braxton fan QB and WR years and I was stoked when we got him.

I really do hope its still because he is hurt because he didn't look good the few games he was in( I do agree that everything BO touches turns to suck though)
 
Cap wizards - does offloading Osweiler and Brown's salaries put us in a position to spend in FA at the end of this season? Or are we making room for new contracts for players already on the team
 
htownfan32 said:
Cap wizards - does offloading Osweiler and Brown's salaries put us in a position to spend in FA at the end of this season? Or are we making room for new contracts for players already on the team
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Both, we will have big money to spend and even more if we unload some more guys like Cushing
 
htownfan32 said:
Cap wizards - does offloading Osweiler and Brown's salaries put us in a position to spend in FA at the end of this season? Or are we making room for new contracts for players already on the team
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It's going to be hard to attract free agents even with all of our cap space. A lot of players around the league aren't too thrilled with Bob McNair and his inmate comments right now. We'd have to throw a ton of money at them and have Rick Smith convince them to come here.

Unless Bob McNair steps down as owner which he may have to do very soon because of health reasons. And even then I'm not sure how players around the league view Cal McNair? Do not blame the son for what the father did (or said rather).
 
htownfan32 said:
Cap wizards - does offloading Osweiler and Brown's salaries put us in a position to spend in FA at the end of this season? Or are we making room for new contracts for players already on the team
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As it sits right now we will have about $53M to spend next year with all key contributors accounted for except Joseph. Clowney is in that number at $13.5M already and if he is signed to longer deal it will not likely add much more than that number in 2018. If we cut Cushing the number gets even higher. So yes, we have a lot to spend next year. Can probably target two high price guys and a couple role players.
 
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