Does either Yates or Keenum give you a better chance to win that Schaub.

[2012Champs]

good grief child.

So you think schaub is mentally strong? You dont think he would get affected if the fans start calling for Keenum while he continues to stink it up if Keenum was named #2?

Both would be affected but my posts was mostly about Kubiak not wanting someone breathing down Schaub's neck.

Learn to analyze what you are reading.

child.

or should i say schaub? I guess we know how you voted in this poll.

Case isnt breathing down anyone's neck. No vet starter in the nfl is going to worry if the texans trade Case away and he becomes their backup. You currently greatly overvalue Case

 

[Come On Breh]

Case isnt breathing down anyone's neck. No vet starter in the nfl is going to worry if the texans trade Case away and he becomes their backup. You currently greatly overvalue Case

because he was designated as #3 by kubiak. basically babied and protected just like mark sanchez was his entire career in new york.

Case is #3 yet the entire city of houston is calling for him to leapfrog both schaub and yates. Just look at the poll, just go to the comments sections in most articles about the texans, everybody is calling for case. Imagine if kubiak actually named him #2 lmfao.

pay attention infant.

 

[2012Champs]

because he was designated as #3 by kubiak. basically babied and protected just like mark sanchez was his entire career in new york.

Case is #3 yet the entire city of houston is calling for him to leapfrog both schaub and yates. Just look at the poll, just go to the comments sections in most articles about the texans, everybody is calling for case. Imagine if kubiak actually named him #2 lmfao.

pay attention infant.

The entire city doesnt care about football, the entire fanbase is also not calling for what you are stating nor the majority of it. You should look up the odd lot theory because it really applies here

 

[Exascor]

because he was designated as #3 by kubiak. basically babied and protected just like mark sanchez was his entire career in new york.

Case is #3 yet the entire city of houston is calling for him to leapfrog both schaub and yates. Just look at the poll, just go to the comments sections in most articles about the texans, everybody is calling for case. Imagine if kubiak actually named him #2 lmfao.

pay attention infant.

I'm not going to get into the name calling this thread has turned into but be realistic. If Keenum was from any school outside of Texas very few Texans fans would be pushing for him to start. Being from Houston just makes it even worse. I've said before that he seems to have a leadership/it quality that I'd rather him start than Yates. Above Schaub though? Not unless Schaub is/gets injured.

 

[chenjy9]

A lot worse realisitically and you asking that shows that being realistic isnt something you want to do


Yates averaged 61% completion 172 yards per game in is 5.5 during 2011 with 3 TDs 3 INTs and 3 lost fumbles and avg 2.72 sacks per

Currently Matt is at 65.5% 298 yards per game through 4 with 8 TDs 6 INTs and zero fumbles 2.75 sacks per game

Not trying to be obtuse or anything, but how is that a lot worse? You are comparing a 10 year vet and starter for the last 10 years to a guy thrust into a team trying to get into the playoffs after the starter and primary backup went down in 2 weeks. Both of them have comparatively crappy stats, the exception being one of them is suppose to lead us to wins as the starting QB. Yates is a year wiser and looked a fair bit more sharper once he settled down in the preseason. Schaub is looking crappier than ever.

 

[ObsiWan]

because he was designated as #3 by kubiak. basically babied and protected just like mark sanchez was his entire career in new york.

Case is #3 yet the entire city of houston is calling for him to leapfrog both schaub and yates. Just look at the poll, just go to the comments sections in most articles about the texans, everybody is calling for case. Imagine if kubiak actually named him #2 lmfao.

pay attention infant.

The voices of "the entire city of Houston" means exactly squat. Plus, you're overstating that anyway. Some recognize Schaub isn't going anywhere while others would rather give Yates a shot since he has faced first string NFL competition while Case hasn't taken a single snap in a game that counts in the standings.

Case may get his shot if Schaub keeps screwing the pooch but it won't be before Yates. Case had his shot to leapfrog Yates in camp and didn't get it done.

Let.
It.
Rest.

 

[2012Champs]

Not trying to be obtuse or anything, but how is that a lot worse? You are comparing a 10 year vet and starter for the last 10 years to a guy thrust into a team trying to get into the playoffs after the starter and primary backup went down in 2 weeks. Both of them have comparatively crappy stats, the exception being one of them is suppose to lead us to wins as the starting QB. Yates is a year wiser and looked a fair bit more sharper once he settled down in the preseason. Schaub is looking crappier than ever.

3 TDs 6 turnovers

Vs

8 TDs 6 turnovers and more than 120 more yards per game

That's a lot worse

 

[Goatcheese]

What little respect I had for the Texanstalk community is gone. This is the most embarrassingly ignorant fan base in the entire NFL, and possibly sports (including amateur) in general.

I can maybe see calling for Yates, but Keenum. Wow. Just...

 

[chenjy9]

3 TDs 6 turnovers

Vs

8 TDs 6 turnovers and more than 120 more yards per game

That's a lot worse

Seems like you are ignoring how young he was and he was thrust into the front lines on a team battling for the playoffs. I think its comparable to a guy who is suppose to be our starter and has spent a decade in the NFL, the majority of the years being a starter. While I don't think he substantially improved, I think he will be at least as good (or bad) as Schaub currently is. I am personally rooting for Keenum as I am not convinced that Yates has any upside.

 

[2012Champs]

Seems like you are ignoring how young he was and he was thrust into the front lines on a team battling for the playoffs. I think its comparable to a guy who is suppose to be our starter and has spent a decade in the NFL, the majority of the years being a starter. While I don't think he substantially improved, I think he will be at least as good (or bad) as Schaub currently is. I am personally rooting for Keenum as I am not convinced that Yates has any upside.

I'm not ignoring anything I'm taking the only actual body of work he has. You can use the preseason stats if that makes you feel any better

 

[Double Barrel]

pay attention infant.

You might want to pay attention to the forum rules if you desire to continue to post here.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thanks. I had no idea he was that old.

I believe he was a professional baseball player that went back to school & gave football a shot.

 

[Lucky]

26 year old rookie with multiple knee surgeries that does not have the build or arm that you really want in a franchise QB.
.

Thanks. I had no idea he was that old.

He's not. Keenum is 25 (DOB 2-17-88) and was 24 at the time of the draft. 9 months older than Russell Wilson who was taken in the same draft.

I believe he was a professional baseball player that went back to school & gave football a shot.

Nope. Keenum was a 6th year senior. Redshirted his first season and received a medical redshirt after a knee injury early in the 2010 season.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I believe he was a professional baseball player that went back to school & gave football a shot.

Just a couple of notes, using this post as jumping off point not a critique:

Keenum is 25. By no means ancient or to have his age be of any concern.

he is a year maybe two older because he redshirted and was granted the rare 6th year of eligibility by the NCAA.

 

[legacy_gt]

If Keenum was from any school outside of Texas very few Texans fans would be pushing for him to start. Being from Houston just makes it even worse. I've said before that he seems to have a leadership/it quality that I'd rather him start than Yates. Above Schaub though? Not unless Schaub is/gets injured.

believe me, if keenum played for any div I school that had the same stats he put up at UH (breaking almost every record in NCAA), he'd be still called upon. Maybe not as much as being from UH, but still a favorite.

 

[bOODRO87]

What little respect I had for the Texanstalk community is gone. This is the most embarrassingly ignorant fan base in the entire NFL, and possibly sports (including amateur) in general.

I can maybe see calling for Yates, but Keenum. Wow. Just...

I don't know what you saw to degrade Keenum like that. You say that without a chance to see him take a single snap with our first stringers. That kid hits WRs in stride. The ball is out immediately similar to what Brady did to us last year. Let's see him with the best we have. Schaub's Lisfranc injury has damaged him too much. How many fetal positions do you need? I don't see how anyone can see schaub's regression and see the throws Case made in preseason to totally throw the idea of seeing of the kid playing. That's sad.

Adios. Take your time.

 

[2012Champs]

believe me, if keenum played for any div I school that had the same stats he put up at UH (breaking almost every record in NCAA), he'd be still called upon. Maybe not as much as being from UH, but still a favorite.

You cant move the kid to a different school and assume he would have the same stats

 

[Corrosion]

:

pay attention infant.

Don't go being an ass to 2012 , that's my job .... and he don't deserve it at the moment.

 

[DBCooper]

You might want to pay attention to the forum rules if you desire to continue to post here.

And I was hoping to see if he would ever learn to insult with intelligence and wit.

 

[badboy]

Thanks. I had no idea he was that old.

Actually Keenum turned 25 on Feb 17 & is in his second NFL season with no NFL wear & tear. Also he does not have to be a franchise QB to run this offense.

Edit Two others beat me, sorry.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I don't know what you saw to degrade Keenum like that. You say that without a chance to see him take a single snap with our first stringers. That kid hits WRs in stride. The ball is out immediately similar to what Brady did to us last year. Let's see him with the best we have. Schaub's Lisfranc injury has damaged him too much. How many fetal positions do you need? I don't see how anyone can see schaub's regression and see the throws Case made in preseason to totally throw the idea of seeing of the kid playing. That's sad.

Adios. Take your time.

You should have only written the 2nd sentence. We have not seen keenum play real NFL football. we know don't squat about how he is going to perform either way positive or negative. Just like he has not played with the real Texans, he has not played against a real NFL defense. You can't say one way or the other that he is going to hit Wrs "in stride" when real DLmen are rushing him or that he has poise in the pocket or whatever speculative falsehoods people keep assigning him. It works both ways. I can't assign negative terms either until he actually plays with the big boys.

the statistical reality is that he is probably going be like the 95 plus percent of late round and undrafted QBs (not named Brady or Romo) and never take a meaningful NFL snap. that does not mean he won't beat the odds, the odds are just no in his favor.

 

[Come On Breh]

play schaub in san fran, if he stinks it up again, bench him, and let Yates and Keenum battle it out.

What's the point of having two young QBs on the roster?

This is potentially a great QB class coming up in the next draft. Find out what you have in Case, see if Yates has improved from his days as starter, if not you can start the process of planning and drafting a QB.

You will never know unless you try. Why are people so scared to move away from Matt Schaub? Its not like he set the bar so high that nobody can realistically come close to eclipsing it.

What's maddening is that Schaub's poor play has given Kubiak the out he needs to try something new yet he refuses to give himself a chance to find out what he has in Yates and Keenum.

Harbaugh benched Smith for Kapernick, now he has a franchise QB. Pete Carroll had the guts to roll with a rookie instead of the more experienced Matt Flynn. Tampa just benched Freeman, look at what's happening in cleveland.

Kubiak isnt breaking new ground here. If Yates hasnt improve and everybody has been wrong about Keenum and he's just totally incompetent, go back to schaub. Its not like schaub is some hall of famer and critically acclaimed qb shot caller. Let schaub sit from the sideline and gather his thoughts. Maybe that's just what he needs to regroup.

 

[leebigeztx]

play schaub in san fran, if he stinks it up again, bench him, and let Yates and Keenum battle it out.

What's the point of having two young QBs on the roster?

This is potentially a great QB class coming up in the next draft. Find out what you have in Case, see if Yates has improved from his days as starter, if not you can start the process of planning and drafting a QB.

You will never know unless you try. Why are people so scared to move away from Matt Schaub? Its not like he set the bar so high that nobody can realistically come close to eclipsing it.

What's maddening is that Schaub's poor play has given Kubiak the out he needs to try something new yet he refuses to give himself a chance to find out what he has in Yates and Keenum.

Harbaugh benched Smith for Kapernick, now he has a franchise QB. Pete Carroll had the guts to roll with a rookie instead of the more experienced Matt Flynn. Tampa just benched Freeman, look at what's happening in cleveland.

Kubiak isnt breaking new ground here. If Yates hasnt improve and everybody has been wrong about Keenum and he's just totally incompetent, go back to schaub. Its not like schaub is some hall of famer and critically acclaimed qb shot caller. Let schaub sit from the sideline and gather his thoughts. Maybe that's just what he needs to regroup.

I said last yr before the draft they should've drafted wilson. I said this year,despite his struggles they should've drafted geno smith. I would like to see what kubes can do with a real talent. A guy who can run the waggles,boots,throw from the well,as well as drive the ball down the field.

 

[dream_team]

This is potentially a great QB class coming up in the next draft. Find out what you have in Case, see if Yates has improved from his days as starter, if not you can start the process of planning and drafting a QB.

You will never know unless you try. Why are people so scared to move away from Matt Schaub? Its not like he set the bar so high that nobody can realistically come close to eclipsing it.

We fans don't know what we have in Case & TJ, but the coaching staff has an idea. Kubiak, Dennison, Dorrell watch them in practice, watch them in the film room, listen to them in meetings... not to mention alot higher football IQ than us common fans.

Harbaugh benched Smith for Kapernick, now he has a franchise QB. Pete Carroll had the guts to roll with a rookie instead of the more experienced Matt Flynn. Tampa just benched Freeman, look at what's happening in cleveland.

Totally different situations:
- Harbaugh drafted Kaepernick to be his QB of the future and he inherited Smith, so it was only a matter of time. And if Alex never got that concussion, who knows if we see Kaep start at all last season? Plus, Alex Smith never came close to the success Schaub has had in this league.
- In Seattle, Matt Flynn isn't all that good. He can't even win the starting job in Oakland. So choosing Wilson over Flynn isn't very impressive. Also, I think people are giving Wilson too much credit. I like him as a player, but Seattle isn't asking too much out of him. You saw him play against the Texans... did he really look all that special?
- Tampa Bay is a bad team, we shouldn't be looking at them as an example. They are 2nd to last in the league in offense, and really have no chance in playoffs. That's a real team that "can't do any worse".
- Cleveland is in obvious re-building mode, we are not.

If the Falcons benched Matt Ryan, that would be a better comparison.

 

[Corrosion]

Find out what you have in Case, see if Yates has improved from his days as starter, if not you can start the process of planning and drafting a QB.

Im not against this .... Pending you (you being the coaches) believe that Yates or Keenum gives you a better chance to win right now .... because this team still has a lot to play for , they only have two losses.

If you still believe that Schaub gives you the best chance to win then you keep running his cement footed noodle armed pick six throwin ass out there.


Obviously the coaches believe that Schaub is their best option .....

At the point that the season is lost as far as playoffs are concerned , I'd be much more open to experimentation at the QB spot with Keenum or Yates.


If they were 2-4 going into KC ..... I'd have a real hard time not making a change if Schaub was the main factor in that record.

 

[Nitrofish]

We fans don't know what we have in Case & TJ, but the coaching staff has an idea. Kubiak, Dennison, Dorrell watch them in practice, watch them in the film room, listen to them in meetings... not to mention alot higher football IQ than us common fans.



Totally different situations:
- Harbaugh drafted Kaepernick to be his QB of the future and he inherited Smith, so it was only a matter of time. And if Alex never got that concussion, who knows if we see Kaep start at all last season? Plus, Alex Smith never came close to the success Schaub has had in this league.
- In Seattle, Matt Flynn isn't all that good. He can't even win the starting job in Oakland. So choosing Wilson over Flynn isn't very impressive. Also, I think people are giving Wilson too much credit. I like him as a player, but Seattle isn't asking too much out of him. You saw him play against the Texans... did he really look all that special?
- Tampa Bay is a bad team, we shouldn't be looking at them as an example. They are 2nd to last in the league in offense, and really have no chance in playoffs. That's a real team that "can't do any worse".
- Cleveland is in obvious re-building mode, we are not.

If the Falcons benched Matt Ryan, that would be a better comparison.

Excellent post bro... too bad it will fall on deaf ears. These guys have already made the decision to lynch Schaub, and no amount of common sense and clear thinking will change that. I mean to ignore the otherwise excellent game that Schaub had on the NFL's #1 ranked D and only focus on 1 play shows the depth of their desperation to show that Schaub plays like a rookie.

 

[thunderkyss]

Im not against this .... Pending you (you being the coaches) believe that Yates or Keenum gives you a better chance to win right now .... because this team still has a lot to play for , they only have two losses.

If you still believe that Schaub gives you the best chance to win then you keep running his cement footed noodle armed pick six throwin ass out there.

If they believe Schaub is not responding to positive reinforcement, a quick benching might provide the motivation needed.

After that second INT, would have been a perfect time to put him on the bench, let him sulk in front of the fans, get a quick glimpse of Tj... we had 2:46 seconds in regulation & 2 OT possessions we (as a team) did nothing with.

At the very least, you could have saved one Schaub jersey

 

[thunderkyss]

Totally different situations:
- Harbaugh drafted Kaepernick to be his QB of the future and he inherited Smith, so it was only a matter of time. And if Alex never got that concussion, who knows if we see Kaep start at all last season? Plus, Alex Smith never came close to the success Schaub has had in this league.

Alex Smith had been to the NFC Championship game. He lost his job because of an injury more than getting benched... he was playing well (maybe uninspired) when Harbaugh made the switch.

It's arguable who was more successful.

 

[Lucky]

Excellent post bro... too bad it will fall on deaf ears. These guys have already made the decision to lynch Schaub, and no amount of common sense and clear thinking will change that. I mean to ignore the otherwise excellent game that Schaub had on the NFL's #1 ranked D and only focus on 1 play shows the depth of their desperation to show that Schaub plays like a rookie.

If you think Schaub had one poor play in an otherwise excellent game, you are in denial as well. Schaub had a very good 1st half, followed by a 2nd half and overtime where he led his team to no points, took 4 sacks, and generated the game tieing score for the opposition. That's not excellent by anyone's definition. The game is 60 minutes (or more), and Schaub has yet to play an entire game at a competent level. Even he and his coach have admitted to as much.

 

[thunderkyss]

I was listening to Palilo on the radio yesterday & he kept saying we don't have a Kaepernick on our roster.

Chances are we don't, but San Francisco didn't know they had a Kaepernick on their roster until he got to play in the regular season. They might have had a good idea, they might have felt like they had a great player..... but they didn't know.

The difference between the 49ers then & us now, is that Alex Smith got a concussion. I wouldn't put it past Harbaugh to sabotage Smith's ability to clear the protocol. But Smith got a concussion to open the door Kaepernick.

& as much of an upgrade Kaepernick is over Smith... That team isn't that much better than it was before. Alex Smith was excellent in the play-offs of 2011. Outplayed Drew Brees. Not so great against the Giants, but they were in that game. One big play away from the win.

Matt Schaub is good enough to make it "difficult" to replace, but not irreplaceable.

 

[Nitrofish]

If you think Schaub had one poor play in an otherwise excellent game, you are in denial as well. Schaub had a very good 1st half, followed by a 2nd half and overtime where he led his team to no points, took 4 sacks, and generated the game tieing score for the opposition. That's not excellent by anyone's definition. The game is 60 minutes (or more), and Schaub has yet to play an entire game at a competent level. Even he and his coach have admitted to as much.

So Schaub is the only QB to ever be sacked, and not score any points in a half? How many points did Russell Wilson score in the first half of that game? How many times was he sacked? Do you think they are calling for his head in Seattle? Oddly enough I bet if you look at their board, in the first half they were.

Getting sacked has very little do to with Schaub and more to do with the piss poor play by the offensive line in the 2nd half, and if you feel otherwise, then YOU are in denial yourself. (See what I did there) Trying to use how many times Schaub got sacked to bolster your argument shows how desperate you are to make everything Schaub's fault.

The line play was part of the reason no points were scored in the 2nd half because Schaub was running for his life nearly every time he dropped back to pass. That and poor play calling. Why is it too much to ask to keep the pocket clean? If it were just getting beat from time to time, I can accept that, but it was an avalanche of defenders in the backfield on nearly every passing situation. Why do you ignore the horrible line play and lay it all at the feet of Schaub?

The TEAM has failed to play a complete game at a competent level yet. Not just Schaub. Even they admitted as much.

 

[Nitrofish]

I was listening to Palilo on the radio yesterday & he kept saying we don't have a Kaepernick on our roster.

Chances are we don't, but San Francisco didn't know they had a Kaepernick on their roster until he got to play in the regular season. They might have had a good idea, they might have felt like they had a great player..... but they didn't know.

The difference between the 49ers then & us now, is that Alex Smith got a concussion. I wouldn't put it past Harbaugh to sabotage Smith's ability to clear the protocol. But Smith got a concussion to open the door Kaepernick.

& as much of an upgrade Kaepernick is over Smith... That team isn't that much better than it was before. Alex Smith was excellent in the play-offs of 2011. Outplayed Drew Brees. Not so great against the Giants, but they were in that game. One big play away from the win.

Matt Schaub is good enough to make it "difficult" to replace, but not irreplaceable.

Yea, you know I don't know if any of you have been paying attention or not, but Kaepernick has not looked all that good this year, so to keep using him as and example seems weird. I mean here you guys are saying the Texans season is over because we got Schaub, but the 9ers are 2-2 also. How is that possible with such a mobile QB?

I mean to listen to you guys go on, teams are unbeatable when they have a mobile QB. So how could this have happened? In fact last time I checked, the Packers, who have one of the best QB's in the game are currently 1-2. How could that be? Is it possible there is more to winning a game than great QB play? Might all of those so called elite guys need some help from the rest of their team? Naaaaaa. I am sure you guys are right. If we just benched Schaub and put in Yates or Keenum, everything would fall into place right? Right?

 

[powda]

Yea, you know I don't know if any of you have been paying attention or not, but Kaepernick has not looked all that good this year, so to keep using him as and example seems weird. I mean here you guys are saying the Texans season is over because we got Schaub, but the 9ers are 2-2 also. How is that possible with such a mobile QB?

I mean to listen to you guys go on, teams are unbeatable when they have a mobile QB. So how could this have happened? In fact last time I checked, the Packers, who have one of the best QB's in the game are currently 1-3. How could that be? Is it possible there is more to winning a game than great QB play? Might all of those so called elite guys need some help from the rest of their team? Naaaaaa. I am sure you guys are right. If we just benched Schaub and put in Yates or Keenum, everything would fall into place right? Right?

I dont know about you guys but I want the Texans in a superbowl. Why is everyone so content with just making play off appearances? Schaub is a very average quarterback in a good system surrounded by good players (mostly) and a good defense. Why is that good enough? Do you watch the games? This isnt a one time mistake. It's a habit. Schaub has scored at least 21 points for the other teams this year...and your ok with that?

Yates and Keenum (and Texanbill) probably arent better options right now...so unless we make a trade we're stuck out till the offseason.

 

[76Texan]

Serious question, I'm not trying to be a smart-a**. So why was he undrafted? What was it about him that scouts didn't like? I don't buy being too short, or lack of competition, or inflated stats, being the main reasons he went undrafted.

His knee injury that sidelined him for most of the year in 2010; his small stature; and the hamstring at the combine.

All these are legitimate red flags.

We have to remember the coaches and the GMs don't have time to watch all the games films; there are thousands of players every draft.
They don't know what kind if system a QB runs each year; they could easily miss out on what Keenum run in his freshman or sophomore year.
It's a safe bet that they look at films from his Senior year the most.
They don't have time to really sort out the defenses a QB faced.

During the season, they might watch one or two college games, maybe none at all. For example, each year, I only concentrate on one or two positions.
I'm like "retired" for five of the last seven years. I watch and learn football full-time (actually as two full-time jobs; I might watch some when I first get up; I mostly goes to sleep watching some football) and I feel like I need ten-twenty clones to really do what I wanted to.

Chucky (Tom Gruden) said in his QB camp series that some coach is going to regret passing up on Keenum.
He didn't have to say it, but he did.
He didn't say the same thing about Kellen Moore or any other QB that was below the radar; I'm sure he saw something there.

Obviously, no one knows how Keenum will pan out, and his size is more susceptible to injury.
That was why I suggested that the Texans drafted Wilson and Keenum both.

I wouldn't extend Schaub, but let him play out the 2012 season. i would still put Keenum on the PS. Wilson played in a comparable system during his college career.

With Wilson, Yates, and Keenum in 2013, I would be willing to cut Schaub (without the extension, you don't have to worry about cap space; in fact, you would have more dough to resign guys.)

 

[Corrosion]

So Schaub is the only QB to ever be sacked, and not score any points in a half? How many points did Russell Wilson score in the first half of that game? How many times was he sacked? Do you think they are calling for his head in Seattle? Oddly enough I bet if you look at their board, in the first half they were.

The key here is how Schaub responds to pressure in his face. He'll have a good quarter , half or more ... then the heat gets turned up and he folds like a cheap umbrella in the wind.

San Diego was an aberration ... & they weren't able to get pressure on him , neither did the Tinbreds. Baltimore after the first drive got in his face all day long , Seattle in the second half harassed constantly.

When he's got pressure in his face he makes poor decisions which lead to mistakes ....

I dont know about you guys but I want the Texans in a superbowl. Why is everyone so content with just making play off appearances? Schaub is a very average quarterback in a good system surrounded by good players (mostly) and a good defense. Why is that good enough? Do you watch the games? This isnt a one time mistake. It's a habit. Schaub has scored at least 21 points for the other teams this year...and your ok with that?

Yates and Keenum (and Texanbill) probably arent better options right now...so unless we make a trade we're stuck out till the offseason.

I want them to make the Superbowl too ..... But to reach that lofty goal , they first have to make the playoffs ....

 

[dalemurphy]

I dont know about you guys but I want the Texans in a superbowl. Why is everyone so content with just making play off appearances? Schaub is a very average quarterback in a good system surrounded by good players (mostly) and a good defense. Why is that good enough? Do you watch the games? This isnt a one time mistake. It's a habit. Schaub has scored at least 21 points for the other teams this year...and your ok with that?

Yates and Keenum (and Texanbill) probably arent better options right now...so unless we make a trade we're stuck out till the offseason.

Schaub's play, so far, has been inconsistent and uncharacteristicly mistake-prone. Given that those mistakes are not his norm, I think it makes zero sense for a team trying to win the Superbowl this year to bench him. It seems that people want him benched to punish him for letting them down. Okay, but be honest about it... Perhaps scrapping schaub is smart for the team's future (not sure), but it is not a win now strategy.

 

[deucetx]

I dont know about you guys but I want the Texans in a superbowl. Why is everyone so content with just making play off appearances? Schaub is a very average quarterback in a good system surrounded by good players (mostly) and a good defense. Why is that good enough? Do you watch the games? This isnt a one time mistake. It's a habit. Schaub has scored at least 21 points for the other teams this year...and your ok with that?

Yates and Keenum (and Texanbill) probably arent better options right now...so unless we make a trade we're stuck out till the offseason.

I agree we should want more and that saying this is one mistake is a stretch. Schaub has thrown an interception in seven consecutive games. Despite all the stats and yardage on offense we have had bouts where we simply could not get the ball in the endzone dating back to the last quarter of the previous season. And of course we all know of the pick 6 issue and the one against the Chargers that basically was the same thing.

With that said...what other options are there? Like you said in your last statement, the other two youngsters probably aren't better. We're 2-2 with a lot still ahead of us. At this point simply seems better to ride it out some more and give Schaub the opportunity to try and recover. If anything will test his mental fortitude it will be this. But even going with him we shouldn't act like we're blind to the issues he has presented as of late. I just think it's too early to turn in a direction that is more about the future than the present.

Let's just see how Schaub tries to rebound and if he pulls it all together. Sometimes these type of moments makes the player gain a better grip of focus. Granted sometimes it leads to them crashing in a ball of flames.

...We'll hope for the better, heh.

 

[dalemurphy]

The key here is how Schaub responds to pressure in his face. He'll have a good quarter , half or more ... then the heat gets turned up and he folds like a cheap umbrella in the wind.

San Diego was an aberration ... & they weren't able to get pressure on him , neither did the Tinbreds. Baltimore after the first drive got in his face all day long , Seattle in the second half harassed constantly.

When he's got pressure in his face he makes poor decisions which lead to mistakes ....

That is not true... San Diego, and especially Tennessee applied a lot of pressure on schaub... Why I have been so excited about this team's prospects is because of how well he has handled it... The Seattle interception was clearly a very poor decision in the face of pressure, combined with his lack of athleticism. I just didn't see those type mistakes in the first three games.

 

[76Texan]

I dont know about you guys but I want the Texans in a superbowl. Why is everyone so content with just making play off appearances? Schaub is a very average quarterback in a good system surrounded by good players (mostly) and a good defense. Why is that good enough? Do you watch the games? This isnt a one time mistake. It's a habit. Schaub has scored at least 21 points for the other teams this year...and your ok with that?

Yates and Keenum (and Texanbill) probably arent better options right now...so unless we make a trade we're stuck out till the offseason.

Schaub's first INT was in the FG range (a cheap shot at that); it costs the Texans at least 3 points there, not to mention that the Hawks were able to score 3.

Schaub simply is too inconsistent, even for the "lesser" requirement that is asked of him. I just want him to play as a 11-15th ranked QB; I haven't had that for a stretch of 10 games.

His plays have been below that "minimum" standard.
It's not one or two plays; it's ten games worth of plays.

 

[Corrosion]

Schaub's play, so far, has been inconsistent and uncharacteristically mistake-prone. Given that those mistakes are not his norm, I think it makes zero sense for a team trying to win the Superbowl this year to bench him. It seems that people want him benched to punish him for letting them down. Okay, but be honest about it... Perhaps scrapping schaub is smart for the team's future (not sure), but it is not a win now strategy.

I cant disagree with the bold ....


But uncharacteristically mistake prone I have to question ... He's thrown a pick in seven consecutive games going back to last years playoffs & the regular season.

He's thrown ten total INT's in that seven game span four of which have been returned for TD's - including Leon Hall's 21 yard return Vs Cincy in the playoff game.


I'd have to say this is becoming more characteristic of Schaub's play than not. 10 INT's in a seven game span ... is sure going to make it difficult for your team to win.

 

[powda]

I voted for TexansBill along with 18 other people. I dont have faith in any qb on our roster. Gimme some new talent.

 

[Rey]

I cant disagree with the bold ....


But uncharacteristically mistake prone I have to question ... He's thrown a pick in seven consecutive games going back to last years playoffs & the regular season.

He's thrown ten total INT's in that seven game span four of which have been returned for TD's - including Leon Hall's 21 yard return Vs Cincy in the playoff game.


I'd have to say this is becoming more characteristic of Schaub's play than not. 10 INT's in a seven game span ... is sure going to make it difficult for your team to win.

People don't want to hear that. It's someone else's fault.

Like Schaub is the only guy ever to have to deal with other people making mistakes.

These arguments conjure memories of Carr. Schaub is much better, but I remember the Carr people always blaming his mistakes and shortcomings on others.

It's always something...OL, the defense, WR's suck, playcalling, the other team gets paid too, injuries....

There will always be something. Matt needs to have a full game of good decisions because that's about the most he can bring to the table.

 

[2012Champs]

Schaub's first INT was in the FG range (a cheap shot at that); it costs the Texans at least 3 points there, not to mention that the Hawks were able to score 3.

Schaub simply is too inconsistent, even for the "lesser" requirement that is asked of him. I just want him to play as a 11-15th ranked QB; I haven't had that for a stretch of 10 games.

His plays have been below that "minimum" standard.
It's not one or two plays; it's ten games worth of plays.

11-15th for 10 games? Come on man. Last season's 16 games would put him in that range for the entire season compared to his peers


11th in attempts
8th in completions
64.3 % completion rate, of folks that threw more only Romo, Griffin, Rodgers, Ryan, Manning and Alex Smith Were ahead of him
7.4 yard avg behind Flynn, Brady, Ryan, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, Newton, Manning, Griffin III and Kaepernick
12th in yards per game (team was 8th in rushing)
15th in TDs
17th for most ints tied with 4 people
11th in 1st down %
15th in 20+ plays
14th in 40+ plays
22nd most sacks taken
11th in qb rating

 

[2012Champs]

People don't want to hear that. It's someone else's fault.

Like Schaub is the only guy ever to have to deal with other people making mistakes.

These arguments conjure memories of Carr. Schaub is much better, but I remember the Carr people always blaming his mistakes and shortcomings on others.

It's always something...OL, the defense, WR's suck, playcalling, the other team gets paid too, injuries....

There will always be something. Matt needs to have a full game of good decisions because that's about the most he can bring to the table.

Schaub carries a lot of blame for the team performance but he certainly shouldnt carry it all

 

[dream_team]

I cant disagree with the bold ....


But uncharacteristically mistake prone I have to question ... He's thrown a pick in seven consecutive games going back to last years playoffs & the regular season.

He's thrown ten total INT's in that seven game span four of which have been returned for TD's - including Leon Hall's 21 yard return Vs Cincy in the playoff game.


I'd have to say this is becoming more characteristic of Schaub's play than not. 10 INT's in a seven game span ... is sure going to make it difficult for your team to win.

So you're making the statement that QB's are totally to blame for all INTs? IMO, I put Schaub at TOTAL fault for only 2 of his INTs this season. The one in Baltimore and the pick 6 against Seattle. I'm not saying Schaub doesn't deserve some of the blame for the other picks, but at the same time i'm not going to place majority of the blame on him.

 

[2012Champs]

I cant disagree with the bold ....


But uncharacteristically mistake prone I have to question ... He's thrown a pick in seven consecutive games going back to last years playoffs & the regular season.

He's thrown ten total INT's in that seven game span four of which have been returned for TD's - including Leon Hall's 21 yard return Vs Cincy in the playoff game.


I'd have to say this is becoming more characteristic of Schaub's play than not. 10 INT's in a seven game span ... is sure going to make it difficult for your team to win.

Ints are a part of the game

Brees throws ints in 3 of 4 this year 11 of 16 last
Stafford 3 of 4 this year 12 of 16 last
Romo 1 of 4 and 9 of 16
Ryan 3 of 4 and 10 of 18
Manning 0for 4 and 9 of 17
Luck 2 of 4 and 11 of 17
Rodgers 2 of 4 and 9 of 18
Matt 4 of 4 and 10 of 18



Lets hope he pulls out of his current streak

 

[deucetx]

Ints are a part of the game

Brees throws ints in 3 of 4 this year 11 of 16 last
Stafford 3 of 4 this year 12 of 16 last
Romo 1 of 4 and 9 of 16
Ryan 3 of 4 and 10 of 18
Manning 0for 4 and 9 of 17
Luck 2 of 4 and 11 of 17
Rodgers 2 of 4 and 9 of 18
Matt 4 of 4 and 10 of 18



Lets hope he pulls out of his current streak

Heh, I agree with you on continuing forward with Schaub for now but let's not sugar coat it either. INT's are part of the game but your quarterback shouldn't throw one in 7 straight games. There are no and's, but's or if's about that. Even that list you put up there doesn't illustrate the issues. Not a single one of those guys have more int's thrown than Schaub at this point. So yes, they happen. That can't be avoided. But you are supposed to limit them and at least have some games where you don't throw any.

So yes, let's hope for the streak to break but let's not try to lighten the issues he's been having. They are there like everyone is stating but we can't knee jerk react at this point if we wish to contend. At least not in week 5.

 

[2012Champs]

Heh, I agree with you on continuing forward with Schaub for now but let's not sugar coat it either. INT's are part of the game but your quarterback shouldn't throw one in 7 straight games. There are no and's, but's or if's about that. Even that list you put up there doesn't illustrate the issues. Not a single one of those guys have more int's thrown than Schaub at this point. So yes, they happen. That can't be avoided. But you are supposed to limit them and at least have some games where you don't throw any.

So yes, let's hope for the streak to break but let's not try to lighten the issues he's been having. They are there like everyone is stating but we can't knee jerk react at this point if we wish to contend. At least not in week 5.

It is a problem. The point is it is part of the game and 5 of those on the list had as many or more than matt last year and a couple with less played less. The point is we need him to go back to normal but normal isnt posting goose eggs in the int slot every game

 

[thunderkyss]

Yea, you know I don't know if any of you have been paying attention or not, but Kaepernick has not looked all that good this year, so to keep using him as and example seems weird. I mean here you guys are saying the Texans season is over because we got Schaub, but the 9ers are 2-2 also. How is that possible with such a mobile QB?

You have no idea why we think the 49ers future is brighter than ours? Really?

Do we need to number the dots for you? What is the title of this thread?

I mean to listen to you guys go on, teams are unbeatable when they have a mobile QB. So how could this have happened? In fact last time I checked, the Packers, who have one of the best QB's in the game are currently 1-2. How could that be? Is it possible there is more to winning a game than great QB play? Might all of those so called elite guys need some help from the rest of their team? Naaaaaa. I am sure you guys are right. If we just benched Schaub and put in Yates or Keenum, everything would fall into place right? Right?

Personally I don't think much about Kaepernick. I've said as much & got chastised for it.

But the thing is not that people think mobile QBs are unbeatable, it's that we feel like a mobile QB on this team would be. It's hard to believe someone can not believe that.

If Newton doesn't get a lot better quick (which I think he's capable of) or if Harris isn't able to take his spot on the right side (if DBrown can't come back), our offensive line isn't going to get better until some time next year.

The Seahawks OL got better in the second half because Russell Wilson got tired of waiting on them.

Our defense & WRs are much better than Seattles. Our Defense is as good as SanFran's, WRs much better. When we look at Seattle and San Fran, we're seeing what could have been. Even looking at Washington which is a much worse team all the way around.

 

[Corrosion]

So you're making the statement that QB's are totally to blame for all INTs?

Not at all ....

Ints are a part of the game

Brees throws ints in 3 of 4 this year 11 of 16 last
Stafford 3 of 4 this year 12 of 16 last
Romo 1 of 4 and 9 of 16
Ryan 3 of 4 and 10 of 18
Manning 0for 4 and 9 of 17
Luck 2 of 4 and 11 of 17
Rodgers 2 of 4 and 9 of 18
Matt 4 of 4 and 10 of 18



Lets hope he pulls out of his current streak

Its just been the nature of those picks and the decisions leading to them .... Yeah , QB's are going to throw INT's occasionally but they cant be the type that lead directly to scores for the other team. He has to make better decisions with the ball ....