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Dennison Accepts

Part of me thinks that Munchak was mentioned just to get his name out there as someone who has done worthwhile things, but they thought that the Budster never in a million years let Munchak go.

You know, to sort of embarrass the Titans.

Munchak has done a tremendous job. I'm not sure how well he would fit for the OC job for the Texans, but I'm guessing they want other teams to consider him as well. If Munchak can't be a Texan, it would be delightful if other teams contacted him for a promotion and got him away. At a minimum, maybe it gets Bud to promote him from within.

Sometimes the talk up of a coach can get them promoted. I've heard talk from national sources of Kyle Shanahan as a head coach. No way that talk happens but for the Texans/McClain talking him up.
 
Well, we all knew it was wishful thinking to start with. Jeff Fisher is a PIG for denying the man a chance for advancement, but, I'm not surprised. Everyone within that organization is infected wth Buditis!! Tainted, SICK pigs, all of them!!:devilpig:
 
Someone asked this once already but I'd like to ask it again in case it was missed:

What kind of contract situations are Dennison and Musgrave in?
 
this tree has probably grown a bit lately, but Linehan is on there. image came from bucs site so Gruden is highlighted.

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I just heard McCain say that Shannihan wants Dennison in Washington coordinating the running game. He brings up the point that without an extension, Dennison is looking at an opportunity to go with a coach who can offer him a 3 or 4 year contract whereas in Houston there is so much uncertainty it's going to be hard to say yes. This news that Shanny want's Dennison in Washington is certainly a kink.
 
barrett said:
I just heard McCain say that Shannihan wants Dennison in Washington coordinating the running game. He brings up the point that without an extension, Dennison is looking at an opportunity to go with a coach who can offer him a 3 or 4 year contract whereas in Houston there is so much uncertainty it's going to be hard to say yes. This news that Shanny want's Dennison in Washington is certainly a kink.
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McCain loves Kubiak and wants him here for good, and will bring up any reason to extend him. Did Dennison actually SAY that he wouldn't come here with a coach on the hot seat? Or is that McCain speculating just to scare McNair into giving his boy an extension?

I'm serious here. These coaches know how the game is played. Sure, no one wants to uproot themseves and their families only to possibly be uprooted a year from now, but, that's the way the profession they chose is. At the end of the day, it's on Gary to earn his extension, keep his job and keep everyone he hired employed.

Gary has to proceed as if he's going to be the coach here for another 10 years, even if he knows he could only have one more year. Let the chips fall.
 
barrett said:
I just heard McCain say that Shannihan wants Dennison in Washington coordinating the running game. He brings up the point that without an extension, Dennison is looking at an opportunity to go with a coach who can offer him a 3 or 4 year contract whereas in Houston there is so much uncertainty it's going to be hard to say yes. This news that Shanny want's Dennison in Washington is certainly a kink.
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With mini-me taking the OC spot Denny would be taking a lower level position to go to Washington. Getting a promotion seems like it would be much more desirable.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Charlie Weis for OC? ;)

Wouldn't work with Kubiak probably.
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Though I'd actually be interested, wouldn't happen. Kubiak typically doesn't hire outside of his comfort zone or someone that isn't Oiler related. I think Kollar was the first hiring that he wasn't familiar with.



barrett said:
So I got to thinking about the question in this thread's title. I wonder if any other coaches would follow Kyle to Washington?
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First question is why would they follow Kyle? I really think people are talking Kyle to be a much better coach than he is. Much like here IMO it's going to be hard to tell how much control Kyle will have over OC duties and play calling.

Far as I know Musgrave and Dennison are under contract, but how long I am not sure. I think if we wanted Dennison we could possibly have him as he was demoted by Josh McDaniels.

However, one thing that I haven't seen mentioned is what if Mike Shannahan wants Dennison to be his OL coach in Washington? If so itwill be interesting to see who gets the call.

From what I've read Musgrave was "retained" last year by the Falcons, which possibly means he's in a contract friendly situation far as we are concerned.

The last person on Kubiak's list is at least currently unemployed which means he'd be the easiest to hire.
 
houstonspartan said:
McCain loves Kubiak and wants him here for good, and will bring up any reason to extend him. Did Dennison actually SAY that he wouldn't come here with a coach on the hot seat? Or is that McCain speculating just to scare McNair into giving his boy an extension?

I'm serious here. These coaches know how the game is played. Sure, no one wants to uproot themseves and their families only to possibly be uprooted a year from now, but, that's the way the profession they chose is. At the end of the day, it's on Gary to earn his extension, keep his job and keep everyone he hired employed.

Gary has to proceed as if he's going to be the coach here for another 10 years, even if he knows he could only have one more year. Let the chips fall.
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No, Dennison didn't say anything. McCain said that Shannihan want's him in Washington to run the running game. That's all. The debate is would Dennison want to come here with less job security for an OC job or more security for a somewhat lateral move.

Goatcheese said:
With mini-me taking the OC spot Denny would be taking a lower level position to go to Washington. Getting a promotion seems like it would be much more desirable.
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I think he would be promoted either way. Here as OC and there as the "run game" coordinator. I can see the point that McCain is making, it's going to be more difficult to land someone when the HC has 1 year on his deal.
 
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Goldensilence said:
Far as I know Musgrave and Dennison are under contract, but how long I am not sure. I think if we wanted Dennison we could possibly have him as he was demoted by Josh McDaniels.
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Dennison was allowed to interview for the 49ers OC position last year. I think if we want him he's ours.
 
Goldensilence said:
First question is why would they follow Kyle? I really think people are talking Kyle to be a much better coach than he is. Much like here IMO it's going to be hard to tell how much control Kyle will have over OC duties and play calling.
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I guess I wasn't thinking of it as going to be with the great Kyle. But more to be coaching under his father in some capacity. He has to form a staff. Lots of guys could move up from positions here in a system that will be run very similar.

Goldensilence said:
However, one thing that I haven't seen mentioned is what if Mike Shannahan wants Dennison to be his OL coach in Washington? If so itwill be interesting to see who gets the call.
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That's what we're talking about. According to McCain Shannihan want's Dennison in Washington to "coach the run game".
 
Silver Oak said:
I think this MB would have melted down if Munch had come with so limited a resume, and had failed. I like and respect the guy too much to just throw him into the fire like that.

I wonder if it was GM Mike Reinfeldt's decision, or Jeff "Porn Moustache" Fishers?
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Judging by how many are upset the Titans denied Munch the chance, you're probably off on that first part. Besides, he's been coaching for 15 years and I'm absolutely sure he has a hand in their running game (Being the O-line coach and all).

But it's a pretty moot point anyway.
 
barrett said:
I guess I wasn't thinking of it as going to be with the great Kyle. But more to be coaching under his father in some capacity. He has to form a staff. Lots of guys could move up from positions here in a system that will be run very similar.

Very true. Good point. Looks like it's already happening.

That's what we're talking about. According to McCain Shannihan want's Dennison in Washington to "coach the run game".
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Yep right as I posted that it came up here :) lol never fails.

We could offer him a promotion, problem is that how long will it be for? If Kubiak doesn't follow up this season with making the playoffs he likely won't be retained himself.

Best thing Mike could offer him is job security in Washington. I wouldn't put it past him as well to have Synder open the checkbook for a big raise for him as well if that would lure him there.
 
How long did it take us to promote bush?
- Is that a reasonable time line to promote a new O cord? I'm curious as who'll it'll be. I hate the unknown! :headhurts:
 
barrett said:
I just heard McCain say that Shannihan wants Dennison in Washington coordinating the running game. He brings up the point that without an extension, Dennison is looking at an opportunity to go with a coach who can offer him a 3 or 4 year contract whereas in Houston there is so much uncertainty it's going to be hard to say yes. This news that Shanny want's Dennison in Washington is certainly a kink.
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And it's more stable in Redskins camp with Snyder overseeing the show?
 
I really would have like to have seen Kubiak and Munchak work together in some capacity. I think they could come up with some creative schemes for a rushing attack.:chef:
 
No More 8-8's said:
What are the possibilites that Gibbs could leave for Shanahan?
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barrett said:
Doesn't seem very likely in my mind. He's teetering on retirement as it is.
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Ugh, Diehard Chris is reporting that
National Football Post suggests that Alex Gibbs may also head for D.C http://www.houstondiehards.com/?p=7111
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OzzO said:
barrett said:
in Houston there is so much uncertainty it's going to be hard to say yes.
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And it's more stable in Redskins camp with Snyder overseeing the show?
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In the sense that the head coach in D.C. has a 5 year contract and he's one of the longest tenured coaches in football... yup.
 
barrett said:
Ugh, Diehard Chris is reporting that


In the sense that the head coach in D.C. has a 5 year contract and he's one of the longest tenured coaches in football... yup.
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I was sure sooner or later there would be speculation about Gibbs and Shanahan reuniting in DC, but I thought like you from what I've heard I thought he would lean more towards retirement. I can't help but wonder how much input, other than Brown, that Gibbs had on what linemen were kept around or drafted and; what role that might have played in why we haven't turned into RB plug and play offense.

I think a lot could be predicated on whether Dennison goes there or comes here. Next few weeks will be interesting for sure as Mike starts rounding up his staff.
 
barrett said:
In the sense that the head coach in D.C. has a 5 year contract and he's one of the longest tenured coaches in football... yup.
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I think that a 5 year contract with Snyder means jack be nimble. Snyder has deep pockets and a short temper, if he doesn't perform he's GONE!!

As for Gibbs, I don't really care if he goes. He has hardly set our running game alight.
 
Ex Denver OC Bates is getting interest from Chicago. Is he on Kubiaks radar?

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/06/uscs-bates-linked-to-nfl-opening/

Jeremy Bates has been rumored for at least a month to be a candidate to return to the NFL after one season at Southern Cal.

Now, there's an "official" rumor to attach to the coordinator's name.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Chicago Bears have contacted Bates about their offensive coordinator vacancy. The fit is obvious as current Bears quarterback Jay Cutler whined like a b-tch lobbied for Bates to stay in Denver after Mike Shanahan was dismissed.

Bates didn't as he moved on to the Trojans; Cutler didn't either as he was traded to the Bears during the offseason.

If this rumor is indeed true -- and we have no reason to think it isn't -- it would come as no surprise to the USC football program. Way back in early December, head coach Pete Carroll acknowledged there was a chance of "losing" Bates after just one season.

"That could certainly happen," Carroll said at the time. "He's highly regarded and he's done enough work in the league that guys know."
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Look at the number of OL & Offensive assitant head coaches we've got. I think Gibbs has done his job, & he's got replacements already in place. We'll be fine without him.

Now if Denver were to take little Gibb I would be upset.... Ray Rhodes, not so much.
 
I would not mind Dennisen as OC! I was wonderin' any good replacement candidates if Rhodes & Gidds leaves the team?:kitten:
 
Section516 said:
Weis down, to KC.

I hope we're doing our due diligence here
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I highly doubt we are doing any due diligence to look for and find an OC. Remember the DC search after Richard Smith Was let go? Whoever get the job will be an old Kubiak cronie and is probably already on staff. No need to look for someone who has done it before and is actually qualified...
 
To be honest I'm sure that Kubiak and RS have known about this for a few weeks, they're in contact with whomever they wish to take over. Whether or not they'll get them is another matter exactly.
 
If there's one thing our front office does that irritates me, it's that the Texans don't get their name thrown around in these talent hunts like other teams do. I believe in a certain amount of secrecy and behind the scene talks, but get our name out there if just for a smokescreen guys!

You never would even know that we're looking for an OC by the national sports sites.
 
barrett said:
Ugh, Diehard Chris is reporting that


In the sense that the head coach in D.C. has a 5 year contract and he's one of the longest tenured coaches in football... yup.
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I am kind of ok with Gibbs going. I think pure ZBS is out dated, and I think Kubiak doesn't want to insult his mentor by making it hybrid.
 
GNTLEWOLF said:
I highly doubt we are doing any due diligence to look for and find an OC. Remember the DC search after Richard Smith Was let go? Whoever get the job will be an old Kubiak cronie and is probably already on staff. No need to look for someone who has done it before and is actually qualified...
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That's dumb though because the Bush hiring has been great. So if it works out who cares how you get there?
 
So if Gibbs goes to DC with Shanahan and they start dominating in the run game, what will the prevailing thought here be?
 
How about Larry Kirksey, the receivers choach? He has done a good job with developing our receiving corps, why not let him take charge as an OC?

:fans:
 
Silver Oak said:
If there's one thing our front office does that irritates me, it's that the Texans don't get their name thrown around in these talent hunts like other teams do. I believe in a certain amount of secrecy and behind the scene talks, but get our name out there if just for a smokescreen guys!

You never would even know that we're looking for an OC by the national sports sites.
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You are correct. In fact, Jerome Solomon wrote a blog item last spring saying the same thing. He was saying that it's about time for the Texans to be in the mix whenever a big name free agent is up for grabs.

Here's the link: http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/03/post_97.html
 
eriadoc said:
So if Gibbs goes to DC with Shanahan and they start dominating in the run game, what will the prevailing thought here be?
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My thought would be that Gibbs was forced to work with Gary's guys on the OL. IMO you're kind of handcuffed when you've got Brisiel, White, Studdard, and Myers as the bulk of your interior OL. Not saying Winston has been lights out either, but maybe it's me in that soon as Brisiel became the starter instead of Weary he's somewhat struggled.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I think that a 5 year contract with Snyder means jack be nimble. Snyder has deep pockets and a short temper, if he doesn't perform he's GONE!!

As for Gibbs, I don't really care if he goes. He has hardly set our running game alight.
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I think there is a different set of standards with a new GM and Shannihan in place. Besides, didn't Joe Gibbs retire? He wasn't fired was he?

I think Snyder has shown some growth with this move. Yes he can pay for the best guys but I feel like with this team he's going to have to let them do their jobs to some extent. I think he was more patient with Gibbs at the helm as well and I'd expect him to be the same way again with this crew.
 
barrett said:
I think there is a different set of standards with a new GM and Shannihan in place. Besides, didn't Joe Gibbs retire? He wasn't fired was he?

I think Snyder has shown some growth with this move. Yes he can pay for the best guys but I feel like with this team he's going to have to let them do their jobs to some extent. I think he was more patient with Gibbs at the helm as well and I'd expect him to be the same way again with this crew.
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Just like Jerry Jones grew when he hired Parcells. He had the right idea, but it was only a matter till Jerry started meddling again.

I expect the same thing to happen in DC. It'll drive Snyder nuts that someone else is calling the shots.

I predict a messy divorce.
 
Mr. White said:
Just like Jerry Jones grew when he hired Parcells. He had the right idea, but it was only a matter till Jerry started meddling again.

I expect the same thing to happen in DC. It'll drive Snyder nuts that someone else is calling the shots.

I predict a messy divorce.
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Here's the difference: Jerry's ego is so massive that he blows up the organization when the team is winning in order to prove that he is the reason why... Snyder, to this point, has proven to be meddlesome and impatient. However, there is no evidence that he'll do what Jerry did after 1993 or in Parcell's final season. Jerry is special in that way.

I have to agree with Barrett that Snyder is showing growth. He has given control of the football team to two arrogant and talented football guys. Jerry never relinquished the GM title after he removed Jimmy Johnson.
 
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