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Dennison Accepts

WWJD said:
He wants to coach with his dad. That overrides his ambition apparently. And the opportunity is there.
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Honestly, it is probably a better situation for advancement in Washington. In Houston is the coordinator who took over an offense tht was already made. In Washington, he will get the credit or non-credit for what happens.
 
IMO, The next OC is tied to what happens with Alex Gibbs. If Gibbs is gone, Kubes will hire Munchak as OC to focus on our line play and running game. Kubes will call plays in his 5th year b/c he has to make the playoffs (whether he gets an extension or not).

If Gibbs stays, then I think the odds are that he will hire Dennison or Musgrave and possibly let them call plays or groom them to do so quickly.
 
barrett said:
Kubiak wanted Dennison originally or at least recently and Shannihan wouldn't let him go. Kubiak wanted Bush originally and Arizona wouldn't let him go.

I think that could be a very strong case for why he would be the front runner in my eyes. Plus he seems to be the clearest fit for the current system. I don't see them wanting to change. They have made a case over and over from Mr. McNair down that consistency is the model that they are following.

Pariani meets those same requirements.
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barrett, I agree. It is more than likely that Dennison is a front runner follow up by other ZBS experienced coaches. By the way, anyone aware of Dennison's contract situation? Is he tied up with current contract?
 
Cross Munchak off the list.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6800366.html

The Texans can cross off Tennessee Titans offensive line coach Mike Munchak from their list of candidates to replace offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

Titans coach Jeff Fisher denied the Texans permission today to interview Munchak, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, who has been in the Titans organization since 1982 as a player and coach.

Other candidates on coach Gary Kubiak's list are Denver offensive line coach Rick Dennison, Atlanta quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave and former Kansas City offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.

Shanahan is going to be the new offensive coordinator at Washington when his father, Mike Shanahan, is hired as the Redskins' new coach.
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I don't think Fisher could have blocked an interview if it was a promotion so it must be a lateral move.

And seriously...why would he let a great OL coach go to a team in his own division if that coach was under contract? They'd have a hard time replacing what he brings to their OL.

That doesn't make any sense.
 
WWJD said:
I don't think Fisher could have blocked an interview if it was a promotion so it must be a lateral move.

And seriously...why would he let a great OL coach go to a team in his own division if that coach was under contract? They'd have a hard time replacing what he brings to their OL.

That doesn't make any sense.
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Heimerdinger is the offensive coordinator there, we offered a promotion here and it was blocked. Munchak can't be pleased with being denied more money and power somewhere else by his boss. I think it was Bud Adams who blocked this to be honest but if it was Fisher thats really low on his part because he's a coach and should understand better than anyone the process of paying dues and getting promoted from one gig to the next in football.
 
Well here's to hoping Kubiak takes over the play-calling. Forget hiring an OC, why trust an outsider with your job security? Kubiak shouldn't be so comfortable that he can sit back and let someone else run the offense. He's going to have to earn that extension.
 
It's still by NFL rules got to be considered a "lateral" move so they aren't obligated to grant him interviews.

That's one of the strengths of their team. It makes no sense to let him interview with a team in their own division for a job that would weaken their team if he left.

I'm guessing if he were interviewing for the HC job here they couldn't stop him. If it were open of course.

Who knows if it makes him mad or not? He may be perfectly fine with what he's doing. He's been there for years. Something they're doing is keeping him there.
 
WWJD said:
It's still by NFL rules got to be considered a "lateral" move so they aren't obligated to grant him interviews.

That's one of the strengths of their team. It makes no sense to let him interview with a team in their own division for a job that would weaken their team if he left.

I'm guessing if he were interviewing for the HC job here they couldn't stop him. If it were open of course.

Who knows if it makes him mad or not? He may be perfectly fine with what he's doing. He's been there for years. Something they're doing is keeping him there.
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I dont see how offering him the OC spot is a "lateral" move
 
Ndevine7 said:
I dont see how offering him the OC spot is a "lateral" move
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I'm guessing but I would say that position is still considered an "assistant" and therefore a lateral move..since he's already an assistant coach.

If he were offered a head coaching job that would be a promotion.

Just a guess but obviously the Titans are protected from some NFL rule to not grant the interview.
 
No love for Karl Dorrell?

From 12/28/2007
Former UCLA coach Karl Dorrell will be one of the candidates to replace Mike Sherman as the Houston Texans' offensive coordinator next season according to the Houston Chronicle.

When coach Gary Kubiak was offensive coordinator at Denver, Dorrell was the Broncos' receivers coach for three seasons (2000-02) before he left to become UCLA's head coach. Dorrell was fired by the Bruins earlier this month.

Kyle Shanahan, who has coached receivers and quarterbacks in his two seasons with the Texans, also is a candidate to replace Sherman, who was hired earlier this month as the new coach at Texas A&M.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/...rrell-on-Texans-offensive-coord?urn=nfl,59401

That article is no longer available at the Chron. Dorrell is with the Dolphins now.
 
m5kwatts said:
Well here's to hoping Kubiak takes over the play-calling. Forget hiring an OC, why trust an outsider with your job security? Kubiak shouldn't be so comfortable that he can sit back and let someone else run the offense. He's going to have to earn that extension.
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Could not disagree with this assessment more. Kubiak hasn't ever really let go of play calling for a prolonged period of time. It was the final game of last year that we learned Kyle finally called an entire game by himself and was reported this year at times he took over play calling, when we still aren't sure of. We know that ultimately Kubiak has the last call on play calling.

IMO I think it'd be big if Kubiak decided to go out of staff on this decision. I think he needs to. I think it'd say at least something about his growth as a HC to let it go and concentrate on other matters like game management.

I also think having someone outside of his comfort zone might save him from himself. So far, as per McClain, the list I have seen hasn't impressed me much with the only person who has suck out to me with solid experience is Chan Gailey.

I can imagine the Jax game conversation like this:

Gary : Ok game's on the line, I'm going with HB pass by Chris Brown to our Joel Dressen

Chan : Seriously?!

Gary: Yeah! They'll never see it coming. Chris Brown is clutch and Dressen is a red zone target.

Chan: What the **** are you on Gary? Throw the damn ball to AJ.
 
m5kwatts said:
Well here's to hoping Kubiak takes over the play-calling. Forget hiring an OC, why trust an outsider with your job security? Kubiak shouldn't be so comfortable that he can sit back and let someone else run the offense. He's going to have to earn that extension.
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No way, I bet the majority of the bone head play calling was done by Kubiak.

Also he is a terrible in game coach, the last thing we need is him being distracted
 
Goldensilence said:
Could not disagree with this assessment more. Kubiak hasn't ever really let go of play calling for a prolonged period of time. It was the final game of last year that we learned Kyle finally called an entire game by himself and was reported this year at times he took over play calling, when we still aren't sure of. We know that ultimately Kubiak has the last call on play calling.

IMO I think it'd be big if Kubiak decided to go out of staff on this decision. I think he needs to. I think it'd say at least something about his growth as a HC to let it go and concentrate on other matters like game management.

I also think having someone outside of his comfort zone might save him from himself. So far, as per McClain, the list I have seen hasn't impressed me much with the only person who has suck out to me with solid experience is Chan Gailey.

I can imagine the Jax game conversation like this:

Gary : Ok game's on the line, I'm going with HB pass by Chris Brown to our Joel Dressen

Chan : Seriously?!

Gary: Yeah! They'll never see it coming. Chris Brown is clutch and Dressen is a red zone target.

Chan: What the **** are you on Gary? Throw the damn ball to AJ.
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This would be a much easier subject to debate if we had the full picture and knew how the gameplan is constructed during the week and how plays are called on Sunday and how much Gary overrode Kyle's calls. I think they had such a close relationship to where there were no misunderstandings over the power structure. And clearly thats what Gary will be looking for in the next offensive coordinator.
 
Didn't we get around the whole "lateral move" crap by adding "Asst HC" to the title? My guess is we probably didn't try too terribly hard to get him.
 
I asked Eric Winston on twitter if Alex Gibbs might be interested in the job. He hasn't got back with me yet, but I'll let y'all know as soon as he responds!

Munchak seems to be the chalk, but I guess we'll see. I can't imagine they sit on this for long.
 
m5kwatts said:
This would be a much easier subject to debate if we had the full picture and knew how the gameplan is constructed during the week and how plays are called on Sunday and how much Gary overrode Kyle's calls. I think they had such a close relationship to where there were no misunderstandings over the power structure. And clearly thats what Gary will be looking for in the next offensive coordinator.
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I guess that's part of my problem/concern.

I don't think Kyle had enough power or respect to second guess Gary on his play calls if Gary had taken over those duties, again when is unknown.

I just think it's important to go out of staff for this hire more so than d-coordinator for that reason. We need someone to say Gary, really that's just a bad idea, or Gary how about going ahead and seeing what this Foster guy can bring to the table.

Ultimately I get the same feeling I did with the hiring of Frank Bush. We've seen a quick list put together, (though I admit a few actually might have a shot of getting hired this time) to make it look like we're going out of staff, while the decision's pretty much made to promote within on another fairly unproven coach.
 
WWJD said:
I'm guessing but I would say that position is still considered an "assistant" and therefore a lateral move..since he's already an assistant coach.

If he were offered a head coaching job that would be a promotion.

Just a guess but obviously the Titans are protected from some NFL rule to not grant the interview.
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Its not a lateral move. The article says that teams can still block promotions unless its to a head coaching gig. So yeah, pretty much the Titans blocked him from a promotion. Oh well, I think he was a long shot anyway. I know it seems pretty lame but haven't we done something like this once or twice in our history? Can't recall the coach/situation.
 
The problem I see with going outside his staff.... is that 2009 was the first year we were a 100% ZBS team. It took them 13 weeks to even be adequate on the line. I don't think Kubes will want to start all over with a new offensive system in his do or die year.

Who are you going to bring in, that will run this WCO the way Kubiak wants to run it?
 
Sucks for us, because it sounds like that guy would have been the best fit, considering his history with Schaub. But, if I were Tennessee, I would probably do the same thing.
 
thunderkyss said:
The problem I see with going outside his staff.... is that 2009 was the first year we were a 100% ZBS team. It took them 13 weeks to even be adequate on the line. I don't think Kubes will want to start all over with a new offensive system in his do or die year.

Who are you going to bring in, that will run this WCO the way Kubiak wants to run it?
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Someone already on staff, or another coach from Denver.
 
thunderkyss said:
The problem I see with going outside his staff.... is that 2009 was the first year we were a 100% ZBS team. It took them 13 weeks to even be adequate on the line. I don't think Kubes will want to start all over with a new offensive system in his do or die year.

Who are you going to bring in, that will run this WCO the way Kubiak wants to run it?
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Maybe I am taking a big leap here, but if Gibbs stays and Benton does as well I don't think we'll see a big change in line philosophy. The WCO might vary slightly person to person but, the ideas are similar.

You can have a mauling OL close to the Eagles but still ultimately run the WCO. You don't have to have the ZBS to run a WCO.
 
Vinnie said:
I asked Eric Winston on twitter if Alex Gibbs might be interested in the job. He hasn't got back with me yet, but I'll let y'all know as soon as he responds!

Munchak seems to be the chalk, but I guess we'll see. I can't imagine they sit on this for long.
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Gibbs teeters on the edge of retirement I seriously doubt he's looking to take on that roll. McCain asked him if he's even returning next year and he said he wasn't sure yet.
 
So I got to thinking about the question in this thread's title. I wonder if any other coaches would follow Kyle to Washington?
 
b0ng said:
Yeah if that keeps Chan Gailey out of Houston I am all for that.
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I didn't say I thought Chan Gailey was a great choice or someone I'd love to have as an OC. Just that out of the list I've seen floating around he is one of the few people I saw who wouldn't belly up and let Kubiak railroad him with awesome play calls like HB passes or might have enough guts to say, ya know maybe we should try someone else in the running game or might point out our OL can't get a push when we need it.

Honestly, none of the proposed candidates really impress me. It doesn't surprise me though. I get the feeling a few names were thrown out there, most of them won't likely be allowed to talk to us and Kubiak will hire from in staff.
 
I haven't seen the list of potential guys, but I wonder if Rick Dennison is on it. He was the guy Kubiak initially wanted to bring with him when he came here. Shanahan Sr. wouldn't let him go and let him take Calhoun instead. If he's available he knows the offense and I would think he'd rather come here with this offense instead of going to D.C. with the garbage they have. Lil' Shanahan is making a poor career decision here. I'm going to give up a Ferrari to go drive a clunker. I can't think of one offensive player on that team I'd rather have than any of the 11 starters.
 
Munchak off Texans OC candidates list


Titans' Fisher denies Houston permission to interview assistant


The Texans have removed Tennessee Titans offensive line coach Mike Munchak from their list of candidates to replace offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

Before the Texans could formally ask for permission to interview Munchak, Titans coach Jeff Fisher called general manager Rick Smith on Tuesday. Fisher and Smith are members of the NFL's competition committee.

Fisher informed Smith that the Titans wouldn't be granting permission for Munchak to interview. In other words, don't waste your time.

Under NFL rules, coaches under contract can't switch jobs -- even for promotions -- unless they're given permission. The only exception is for an assistant to become a head coach.

Shanahan, who has been with the Texans for four years, is leaving to become the new offensive coordinator with the Washington Redskins. His father, Mike Shanahan, will be introduced as the Redskins' new coach on Wednesday.

Other candidates to replace Shanahan have ties to coach Gary Kubiak when he coached at Denver: Broncos offensive line coach Rick Dennison, Atlanta Falcons quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave and former Kansas City offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.
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Who didnt see that coming.
 
The Denver Broncos with Rick Dennison as Offensive coordinator:

2008
2nd total
3rd passing
12th rushing

2007
11th total
13th passing
9th rushing

2006
21st total
25th passing
8th rushing

He's probably the run away favorite at this point.
 
b0ng said:
Didn't we get around the whole "lateral move" crap by adding "Asst HC" to the title? My guess is we probably didn't try too terribly hard to get him.
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We didn't ask to interview him. Fisher called Smith and told him not to bother asking.
 
Various Info on Rick "Denny" Dennison (born June 22, 1958, Kalispell, Montana)

Played TE at Colorado State
Played Linebacker with Denver '82-90

Coaching career with Denver:
Offensive assistant '95-96
Special teams coach '97-2000
Offensive line coach '01-05
Offensive coordinator '06-08
Demoted to O-line coach by Josh McFailure in 2009

Broncos Rushing attack with Denny as O-line coach:
2001 10th
2002 5th
2003 2nd
2004 4th
2005 2nd

Promoted to Offensive Coordinator after Gary Kubiak's departure for Houston:
2006
21st total
25th passing
8th rushing

2007
11th total
13th passing
9th rushing

2008
2nd total
3rd passing
12th rushing

Demoted back to O-line coach by Josh McFailure
2009 18th rushing

Pros:
Knows the System
Experienced
Ran a great Denver offense

Cons:
We'll never hear the end of "Denny's Menu"

* Edit to include sacks

2009 15th
2008 1st
2007 16th
2006 13th
2005 3rd
2004 3rd
2003 6th
2002 27th
2001 20th
 
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I think this MB would have melted down if Munch had come with so limited a resume, and had failed. I like and respect the guy too much to just throw him into the fire like that.

I wonder if it was GM Mike Reinfeldt's decision, or Jeff "Porn Moustache" Fishers?
 
what a douche bag. The guy would be getting a significant promotion, and a chance of a lifetime to step into a consecutive top 5 offense.

I would quit if I was him. Get your chance to interview AND send the organization a message that they can't play with your life
 
Can someone educate me on what kind of coach Al Groh was? Offensive or Defensive? I was thinking he would be a good canidate if offensive because he does have close ties with Gary Kubiak but also with Matt Schaub.
 
gtexan02 said:
what a douche bag. The guy would be getting a significant promotion, and a chance of a lifetime to step into a consecutive top 5 offense.

I would quit if I was him. Get your chance to interview AND send the organization a message that they can't play with your life
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If he quit, I think he would have to sit out the length of his contract before eing able to get a job with an NFL team.
 
El Tejano said:
Can someone educate me on what kind of coach Al Groh was? Offensive or Defensive? I was thinking he would be a good canidate if offensive because he does have close ties with Gary Kubiak but also with Matt Schaub.
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I get the Matt Schaub connection, but don't get the Gary Kubiak connection. Also, Al Groh as an assistant has primarily been on the defensive side of the ball although he did work as an offensve coordinator before at USC (as in South Carolina).

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Jeff Fisher and everyone associated with the Tinnbreads are douche b a g s.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I get the Matt Schaub connection, but don't get the Gary Kubiak connection. Also, Al Groh as an assistant has primarily been on the defensive side of the ball although he did work as an offensve coordinator before at USC (as in South Carolina).

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I recalled in an interview with Kubiak when we acquired Matt Schaub that he said he worked with Al Groh before and he respected him as a coach and when Al Groh had great things to say about Schaub, Kubiak knew we should get Matt Schaub.

Wasn't sure if Al was a defensive or offensive coordinator before he went to Virginia.
 
barrett said:
Gibbs teeters on the edge of retirement I seriously doubt he's looking to take on that roll. McCain asked him if he's even returning next year and he said he wasn't sure yet.
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Yeah, that was meant more tongue in cheek then anything. I don't think he'd be interested either, plus, like Eric Winston is going to get back with me! :this:
 
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