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David Carr's on the right track...

thunderkyss said:
Ok...... Curtis Martin was quite Durable his first three years..... he only missed 4 games, and 5 starts.....

So that's 45 games, 3799 yards, 3.93 yds/carry, 32 TDs, 202 FDs,

Jamal lewis....... I don't know the details, but it looks like he sat out his entire second season. I could go through the trouble, if you really want me, to, but I think we should just agree, DDs first three years were more productive than Jamal Lewis'

Now DD.....
40 games played, 36 started. 3195 yards, 4.1 yds/carry, 23 TDs, 142 FDs

now........ I consider that comparable....... not exactly the same, not saying DD is as good as Curtis Martin....... but comparable, especially when you consider the teams they were on, when they did this...

then you add DDs contributions to the passing game....

1276 yards, 5 TDs, and 60FDs

compared to CMs....

890 yards, 5TDs, 36 FDs.......

It gets closer.
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I posted it already, I excluded Jamal's second season since he did not play a snap...DD isn't even close in production to Jamal Lewis in their 1st 3 seasons...Lewis' 1st 2 seasons would compare to DD's first 3 seasons...

Jamal Lewis' 1st 3 seasons (did not play 2001)
1004 attempts 4757 yards 4.7 YPC 26 TD's

Curtis Martin's 1st 3 seasons
958 attempts 3799 yards 3.9 YPC 32 TD's

Davis' 1st 3 seasons
770 attempts 3195 yards 4.1 YPC 23 TD's
 
infantrycak said:
...just that IMO from watching the behavior of all three the pecking order on leadership was Irvin and Smith 1st and Aikman 3rd.
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That's how I saw it. In '92, I lived about a half mile from the Cowboys training camp at St. Edward's University in Austin. I'd walk my dog to the practices and watch over the chain link fence. Irvin was the man, then. He get on receivers for dropping balls, yell at DBs for not covering, and get in guys grill if they made a penalty. But, he was also encouraging. In the 100° F heat, Irvin did a great job off keeping the guys up for the practices.
 
TwinSisters said:
That's what I thought too, but NFL Films tried to debunk that myth a little a few weeks back. That had this Legends clip running with Aikman getting into people's faces and letting them now when they messed up ( and not being nice about it ).
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Interesting. :hmmm: I love NFL Films, and consider them to be as much as an authority on pro football as anyone else (next to actual coaches and players). They've got access, and most of the time they let the film do the talking.

I wonder why the regular media never really seemed to portray Aikman as an intense player? He always came off as a good ol' boy, and very laid back.

I'll definitely have to look out for that Legends clip. Sounds interesting.
 
texan279 said:
I posted it already, I excluded Jamal's second season since he did not play a snap...DD isn't even close in production to Jamal Lewis in their 1st 3 seasons...Lewis' 1st 2 seasons would compare to DD's first 3 seasons...

Jamal Lewis' 1st 3 seasons (did not play 2001)
1004 attempts 4757 yards 4.7 YPC 26 TD's

Curtis Martin's 1st 3 seasons
958 attempts 3799 yards 3.9 YPC 32 TD's

Davis' 1st 3 seasons
770 attempts 3195 yards 4.1 YPC 23 TD's
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no..... you'll have to count the 2001 season, unless there was a good reason why he didn't play... and I can't think of one that would alleviate that season, as Davis is tagged with being "injury prone"

and if you're going to count Jamal's fourth season, you'll have to count DDs, which hadn't come yet...... and...... you really should count the contributions made as a reciever as well. But I'm fine if you don't want to..... we don't have to. I still think the comparison favorable to DD.... if you count Jamal's first three years to DDs..... or if you count Jamal's first 3 productive years to DDs production, including recieving yards....... it's comparable.

So by your standards, DD is a great back.
 
thunderkyss said:
no..... you'll have to count the 2001 season, unless there was a good reason why he didn't play... and I can't think of one that would alleviate that season, as Davis is tagged with being "injury prone"

and if you're going to count Jamal's fourth season, you'll have to count DDs, which hadn't come yet...... and...... you really should count the contributions made as a reciever as well. But I'm fine if you don't want to..... we don't have to. I still think the comparison favorable to DD.... if you count Jamal's first three years to DDs..... or if you count Jamal's first 3 productive years to DDs production, including recieving yards....... it's comparable.

So by your standards, DD is a great back.
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Lewis missed 2001 because he was on IR the entire season with a knee injury. Lewis is one of only 5 backs in NFL history to rush for over 2000 yards and to say DD compares to him is insane. And why would I include the 2001 season when he didn't even play a down? I counted his 4th season because it was actually his 3rd season he played in.
 
Double Barrel said:
I wonder why the regular media never really seemed to portray Aikman as an intense player? He always came off as a good ol' boy, and very laid back.
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I saw it a week ago during the last Carr thread :)

It was running on the NFL Networks Real audio clips... so I am sure it will rotate again.

They specifically addressed the the good ole boy question and tried to debunk as many myths about him and the Cowboys has possible.

The two main points that I remember were about his accuracy and leadership role in the team. He has pin point accuracy that is often over looked.
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On a different note though: You still need to be careful about NFL Films. You can edit film to say just about anything you want. Sabol has favourites too and admits to it on occasion. I have a Treasures disk where he apologizes to Namath for cutting Super Bowl III to look like the Colts ( Sabol's team ) were still in the game until the last few minutes.. which was far from the truth of the matter. The Jets had them beat in the first quarter and knew it. It's funny stuff. I think Namath is still miffed at them for that... I think that episode ran on TV for 30 years! before Sabol corrected himself.
 
TwinSisters said:
Why are you guys leaving the tackles and guards out of the discussion?
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We were having a discussion earlier in the thread about Carr and he brought Davis into the discussion...
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you seriously believe Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, & Thurman Thomas were their team leaders, and not their QB??

Have you ever played football?? the QB is the leader. (that's a period in case you didn't see it).
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I've lived near the Dallas area all of my life, and one thing that I know for certain is that MICHAEL IRVIN was the team leader. Ask any sportswriter and player on that team. Troy Aikman himself has admitted that fact. Look at any of the NFL's Greatest Games involving the Coybows (Especially the Cowboys vs. Niners games)...it's ALWAYS Michael Irvin pumping the team up before the game and motivating them when they were down. Troy Aikman's "role" was to keep a balance between the "Triplets". Of course, that's not to diminish his role on the field...but everyone who knows ANYTHING about Cowboys football knows that Irvin was the leader.
 
texan279 said:
Lewis missed 2001 because he was on IR the entire season with a knee injury. Lewis is one of only 5 backs in NFL history to rush for over 2000 yards and to say DD compares to him is insane. And why would I include the 2001 season when he didn't even play a down? I counted his 4th season because it was actually his 3rd season he played in.
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If it were like Hasselbeck, or Aaron Brooks, where they were back ups to BretFavre, and didn't get a chance to play thier first year, then yeah you can not count that year. But if he got injured in any way related to football activities, then you have to count it.

heck, what would've happened had DD not been injured?? we don't know....
What is going to happen in DDs fourtht year?? we don't know.

DD never rushed for 2000 yards, and more than likely never will.

tell you what.... we can make a little side bet, you name the ante.... I'll bet you DD will out rush Jamal Lewis in '06..... no excuses.... straight up, whoever has the most rushing yards wins..... recieving yards don't count.... return yards don't count....... we're not worried about touchdowns.... straight up rushing yards.... how 'bout it?? Little ole DD vs the Great Jamal Lewis....
 
TheCD said:
I've lived near the Dallas area all of my life, and one thing that I know for certain is that MICHAEL IRVIN was the team leader. Ask any sportswriter and player on that team. Troy Aikman himself has admitted that fact. Look at any of the NFL's Greatest Games involving the Coybows (Especially the Cowboys vs. Niners games)...it's ALWAYS Michael Irvin pumping the team up before the game and motivating them when they were down. Troy Aikman's "role" was to keep a balance between the "Triplets". Of course, that's not to diminish his role on the field...but everyone who knows ANYTHING about Cowboys football knows that Irvin was the leader.
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OK, maybe we've got a little language barrier thing going on here....... I'm saying team leader, and you guys are talking cheerleader....

He was in charge....... Troy Aikman was in charge of the offense, and he led the team down the field....
 
thunderkyss said:
OK, maybe we've got a little language barrier thing going on here....... I'm saying team leader, and you guys are talking cheerleader....

He was in charge....... Troy Aikman was in charge of the offense, and he led the team down the field....
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OK, now this has become a joke. Just say--the QB is the only person who can be a leader in my definition and be done with it. By the way--as for being in charge, Aikman has said on air that he wasn't even allowed to call audibles for several seasons under JJ, not because they didn't trust him, but because that wasn't the system. That pretty much takes him out of the "in charge" equation any more than the other guys on O and what multiple people here have been describing with Irvin and Smith.
 
infantrycak said:
Having a hard time figuring out where you are weighing in--is it Aikman was A leader or that Aikman was the primary leader?
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Pretty simple. He minimized Aikman's role as "to keep a balance between the "Triplets"." Isn't this what leadership is all about? A good leader isn't always the most productive person...it is the person who brings the best out of his more talented teammates, or puts them in a position to win. Simply being productive isn't how I define leadership. Aikman was aces on third down conversions late in the game. If he locked onto Irving every play, ran out of bounds with the ball, sacked himself and couldn't convert 3rd downs I probably would not consider him much of a leader either....but he brought out the best in the players around him. Something Carr has yet to do in 60 games.
 
Vinny said:
Pretty simple. He minimized Aikman's role as "to keep a balance between the "Triplets"." Isn't this what leadership is all about? A good leader isn't always the most productive person...it is the person who brings the best out of his more talented teammates, or puts them in a position to win. Simply being productive isn't how I define leadership. Aikman was aces on third down conversions late in the game. If he locked onto Irving every play, ran out of bounds with the ball, sacked himself and couldn't convert 3rd downs I probably would not consider him much of a leader either....but he brought out the best in the players around him. Something Carr has yet to do in 60 games.
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OK, I wasn't actually refering to the tripletts quote or Carr, but to the general hierarchy of leadership as I think the Cowboys had at least three, specifically each of the tripletts.

For the record, IMO Aikman is underrated--he was clutch and upped his game when needed--he had a fantastic post-season record and was a savvy pin-point accurate QB. Play certainly is a form of leadership, but hey, all the tripletts had that as all are hall of fame bound.
 
thunderkyss said:
He was in charge....... Troy Aikman was in charge of the offense, and he led the team down the field....
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Behind one of the greatest offensive lines, and in front of one of the greatest running backs, in NFL history.

Winning teams have leaders. Losing teams don't. You don't "lead" your team to a loss. When the Texans win, David Carr and the rest of the Texans will be "leaders".
 
IMHO, all of this talk about leadership by a QB is a moot point. The reason I feel that way is because it is very difficult for any player, QB or otherwise, to be a leader when they are not first successfull producers on the field. Carr could not be that most of the time because his O-line was a joke in the NFL and he had only one good receiver. This is not to say that Carr was never part of the problem, but it started with the O-line and terrible pass blocking, which has not been corrected yet--we have yet to go out and prove that we are a good pass blocking team.

As a leader, I suppose the biggest thing Carr would need to do would be to get on to his O-line, which I do remember him doing once in a game (well, sort of) and he was somewhat berated for doing so. When one attempts to get good players to play better, they are said to be a leader, but nothing can be said to bad players without looking like a whiner, unless you are a coach. A QB, in particular, will especially look bad when complaining about the pass blocking.

Kubiak wants Carr to be more vocal, but I'm sure that Kubiak is fully expecting Carr to: 1) have more time in the pocket 2) have a better receiving core 3) take advantage of 1 and 2, and 4) THEN be more vocal and show leadership qualities. I have no doubt that 1 and 2 will be improvements (hopefully a lot of it) and we will see if Carr does 3 and 4.

How vocal was Carr in college? Was he a leader or just superstar performer? I'm not sure if he really NEEDS to be a leader, but I'd like to know if he was one in college. My wild guess is that he probably was.
 
HJam72 said:
IMHO, all of this talk about leadership by a QB is a moot point. The reason I feel that way is because it is very difficult for any player, QB or otherwise, to be a leader when they are not first successfull producers on the field. Carr could not be that most of the time because his O-line was a joke in the NFL and he had only one good receiver. This is not to say that Carr was never part of the problem, but it started with the O-line and terrible pass blocking, which has not been corrected yet--we have yet to go out and prove that we are a good pass blocking team.

As a leader, I suppose the biggest thing Carr would need to do would be to get on to his O-line, which I do remember him doing once in a game (well, sort of) and he was somewhat berated for doing so. When one attempts to get good players to play better, they are said to be a leader, but nothing can be said to bad players without looking like a whiner, unless you are a coach. A QB, in particular, will especially look bad when complaining about the pass blocking.

Kubiak wants Carr to be more vocal, but I'm sure that Kubiak is fully expecting Carr to: 1) have more time in the pocket 2) have a better receiving core 3) take advantage of 1 and 2, and 4) THEN be more vocal and show leadership qualities. I have no doubt that 1 and 2 will be improvements (hopefully a lot of it) and we will see if Carr does 3 and 4.
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well said
 
Vinny said:
Pretty simple. He minimized Aikman's role as "to keep a balance between the "Triplets"." Isn't this what leadership is all about? A good leader isn't always the most productive person...it is the person who brings the best out of his more talented teammates, or puts them in a position to win. Simply being productive isn't how I define leadership. Aikman was aces on third down conversions late in the game. If he locked onto Irving every play, ran out of bounds with the ball, sacked himself and couldn't convert 3rd downs I probably would not consider him much of a leader either....but he brought out the best in the players around him. Something Carr has yet to do in 60 games.
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Yeah, Vinny...how can Carr ever be a leader when he can't get the best out of his more talented teammates (Bradford, Gaffney, Miller, etc.)? Carr hasn't played with (1) Qaulity coaching, (2) Quality gameplanning, (3) Quality playcalling and in-game adjustments, and (4) Quality teammates.

Kinda' funny how Charlie Weiss comes into Notre Dame and has that team completely turned around and in the hunt for a top bowl bid, eh? Just goes to show that a lot of teams' success is predicated on a lot of variables coming together at the right time. Is all the past failures supposed to be Carr's fault? Nope. But it sure is being touted by a few around here. Amazing.

Aikman didn't lock onto Irvin or need to run out of bounds, etc., becuase he had Moose, Harper, Emmitt, and Novacek...and he had that little magic pill called "Quality coaching/gameplanning/playcalling."

Andre Johnson was/is the only player on our team the past few seasons who qualifies as even a POTENTIAL talent comparable to all those guys that Aikman had at his disposal on those oh-so-"key" 3rd down situations you claim has made Aikman such a superior talent or leader.

The grass is always greener over the septic tank. Somtimes just being in the right place at the right time is worth more than all the water and man-made fertilizer in the world. That's how I view Tom Brady. He is a talented QB...but he was soooooo in the right place at the right time. And I hope that kind of magic is waiting for us with the arrival of Kubiak and the players we just acquired this offseason.
 
HJam72 said:
IMHO, all of this talk about leadership by a QB is a moot point. The reason I feel that way is because it is very difficult for any player, QB or otherwise, to be a leader when they are not first successfull producers on the field. Carr could not be that most of the time because his O-line was a joke in the NFL and he had only one good receiver. This is not to say that Carr was never part of the problem, but it started with the O-line and terrible pass blocking, which has not been corrected yet--we have yet to go out and prove that we are a good pass blocking team.

As a leader, I suppose the biggest thing Carr would need to do would be to get on to his O-line, which I do remember him doing once in a game (well, sort of) and he was somewhat berated for doing so. When one attempts to get good players to play better, they are said to be a leader, but nothing can be said to bad players without looking like a whiner, unless you are a coach. A QB, in particular, will especially look bad when complaining about the pass blocking.

Kubiak wants Carr to be more vocal, but I'm sure that Kubiak is fully expecting Carr to: 1) have more time in the pocket 2) have a better receiving core 3) take advantage of 1 and 2, and 4) THEN be more vocal and show leadership qualities. I have no doubt that 1 and 2 will be improvements (hopefully a lot of it) and we will see if Carr does 3 and 4.

How vocal was Carr in college? Was he a leader or just superstar performer? I'm not sure if he really NEEDS to be a leader, but I'd like to know if he was one in college. My wild guess is that he probably was.
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best post ive seen in a Carr thread in quite awhile. my hat's off to you
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
The grass is always greener over the septic tank. Somtimes just being in the right place at the right time is worth more than all the water and man-made fertilizer in the world. That's how I view Tom Brady. He is a talented QB...but he was soooooo in the right place at the right time. And I hope that kind of magic is waiting for us with the arrival of Kubiak and the players we just acquired this offseason.
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This team needs more crap! :tease:
 
HJam72 said:
How vocal was Carr in college? Was he a leader or just superstar performer? I'm not sure if he really NEEDS to be a leader, but I'd like to know if he was one in college. My wild guess is that he probably was.
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Tough leader who will take a crunching hit and play with pain (see 2002 Akron contest) …

His composure and poise allow him to rally the team from behind …
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Link

HPF: How do you feel Carr has handled the pressure this year, from the early season upsets to the SI cover to the Heisman race?

Warszawski: Carr is not the reason Fresno State blew its chance for a BCS bowl. He actually handled the swirl around him and the Bulldogs remarkably well. If Dave has a fault, it's that he's too nice and too accommodating. He's also shown a lot of class. The only reason he isn't a Heisman front-runner is because Fresno State lost those two games. A lot of people would be bitter, but not him.
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Link

That's what I found from back at the time--maybe someone else has more sources.
 
Wasn't it the Atlanta game when Carr had to come back in (Banks got hurt on a play) and so Carr pulls down the ball and sprints down the field for a long gain on a critical conversion opportunity...and then he gets driven into the turf by a tackler (instead of sliding or running out of bounds) and then re-injures his shoulder...writhing in pain as the stadium is going nuts for his effort?

Takes a lot sack for someone to come in and be willing to take that risk.

The guy's going to be picked up in fantasy leagues by about week 4.
 
"He's a great quarterback. He moves around real well, makes all the throws and plays with a lot of confidence. He was a lot of fun to watch ... and I anticipate him being a top pick in next year's draft. It gives you a really good idea of what kind of player he's going to be. It showed me that he's got not only great talent but great heart. He never quits, always keeps fighting." -- John Elway, who attended the Colorado State game where Carr directed a thrilling fourth quarter comeback.

"Carr was 21-of-34 passing for 340 yards and four TD passes in his excellent game against Oregon State. Carr was on target with intermediate passes and long passes and showed touch on shorter passes. He is a tremendous leader who really inspires the Bulldogs." -- ESPN Draft Expert Mel Kiper, Jr.

I got these quotes from: http://www.geocities.com/davidcarrpage/updates.html

I don't know if Mel Kiper is someone who's opinion really matters or not, but that is the only quote I know of that talks about Carr's leadership qualities from back then. I've used those two quotes before sometime back and there's others on the page.

edit: Sorry, that link takes you to the main page (somehow), instead of the page with the quotes. You have to click on the "Honors" section in the upper left corner to see the page with the quotes.
 
It appears that Carr is the greatest QB who ever played that had a bad offensive line or he is the most overpaid QB whose perceived greatness could not be realized in the NFL, but would have been better suited for a smaller college or the CFL.

He falls somewhere in between and therefore it does not justify the money we pay him in my opinion. I trust Kubiak's evaluation will be spot on or his tenure will be short lived here.

Being great is a subjective result. Having potential is a prerequisite for any prospect.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
It appears that Carr is the greatest QB who ever played that had a bad offensive line or he is the most overpaid QB whose perceived greatness could not be realized in the NFL, but would have been better suited for a smaller college or the CFL.

He falls somewhere in between and therefore it does not justify the money we pay him in my opinion. I trust Kubiak's evaluation will be spot on or his tenure will be short lived here.

Being great is a subjective result. Having potential is a prerequisite for any prospect.
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Oh, I agree that he is getting overpaid, because he hasn't proven that he's worth it yet. I just think he will prove it soon. We shall see.
 
HJam72 said:
Oh, I agree that he is getting overpaid, because he hasn't proven that he's worth it yet. I just think he will prove it soon. We shall see.
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That is the viewpoint we fight to protect on Carr threads, Mr. HJam. I share your sentiments.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Wasn't it the Atlanta game when Carr had to come back in (Banks got hurt on a play) and so Carr pulls down the ball and sprints down the field for a long gain on a critical conversion opportunity...and then he gets driven into the turf by a tackler (instead of sliding or running out of bounds) and then re-injures his shoulder...writhing in pain as the stadium is going nuts for his effort?
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Yes, it was the '03 Atlanta game--36 yd run on 3rd and 5. Oddly, that game gets credited sometimes as a Banks win even though when he went out of the game at half time we were down 7 to 3.
 
HJam72 said:
Oh, I agree that he is getting overpaid, because he hasn't proven that he's worth it yet. I just think he will prove it soon. We shall see.
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TexansLucky13 said:
That is the viewpoint we fight to protect on Carr threads, Mr. HJam. I share your sentiments.
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Umm.... I feel exactly the same way.
 
HJam72 said:
Oh, I agree that he is getting overpaid, because he hasn't proven that he's worth it yet. I just think he will prove it soon. We shall see.
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All Carr threads should end with "we shall see", IMO. :ok:

(And hopefully this will the last offseason of such grand uncertainty regarding DC!)
 
thunderkyss said:
of the 16, and the 18, how many have done it multiple years??



& I'm saying it isn't the same method, when one guy is being compared to his contemporaries, and another is being compared to guys who played a totally different game, with a different mindset..... when you could take 6 years to develop. & those guys with those stats still possessed intangibles, that led their teams to success we have not seen, in their first four years..... we're still trying to get a winning season......

Not all David's fault, I'm not saying that.... but we need major improvement from the QB position. It would be nice, if David can be the QB to provide that improvement.

But if we think David Carr played the best he possibly could, behind the line that we gave him, and if we expect him to play at the same level behind a better line..... then we're in trouble.



Bigbrewster2000..... nice to meet you mr"newspokespersonfortheHoustonTexansfans"

my point was clearly stated in my first post.... David Carr is improving. we had the worst offensive line in the history of football. We had the 2nd(I think) worse defense against the run..... and pretty darn bad against the pass.... but our most improved player thus far..... is David Carr.

Gary Kubiak said David caused 20 out of 68 sacks..... 29%. Gary Kubiak said he needs to teach David how to get out of the huddle, and to the line quicker.. Gary Kubiak has said that he wants to teach Carr to look for the second and third option..... not all in this article, but since he's been here. In this article, he has David improving his footwork, his accuracy, and his arm.... he is also challenging David to be a vocal leader.......

David needed to improve his play.... he was not the best he could've/should've been in 2005....
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Actually, I am going to backpedal on my comment to you Thunder, I somehow mixed your post and one of the billion bashers on here. For some reason I miss read what you were saying and thought you were still trying to bash him after those comments in that article. So yes you have made it clear and while you were right it does seem that there are so many that don't want to give him a chance still. And, for the record FOR EVERYONE else 8 mil over 3 years for a QB is not that much money. Also I have been out of town so I am not caught up on the last several pages of this post but I bet that it is more of the norm.
 
Double Barrel said:
All Carr threads should end with "we shall see", IMO. :ok:
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I concur.

Man Law?

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thunderkyss said:
what are you saying??

that Carr is a bust??

or that this is hate mail??

I'm just criticizing the guy, I don't think it's gone overboard or anything. If 279 wants to start an AJ thread, I'll get in on that one too.
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That reply was about VY. So, no it was not about Carr. Why....did you imagine that it was?
 
Double Barrel said:
All Carr threads should end with "we shall see", IMO. :ok:

(And hopefully this will the last offseason of such grand uncertainty regarding DC!)
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Shouldn't all Texans threads end the same way?
 
bayoudreamn said:
That reply was about VY. So, no it was not about Carr. Why....did you imagine that it was?
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I thought you were drawing a parallel between David Carr and threads like this, and what would happen if Vince were to bust, and his fans would critisize him, like the fans are critisizing Carr right now.....

So I was asking the questions for you to clarify....

So your remark had nothing to do with Carr, where did the Vince hanging out on message boards, and getting hate mail on message boards coming from??

Are you David Carr, and are you getting hate mail off this message board??

just asking for clarification........

In case you are in fact David Carr....... love your game man....... I'm your biggest fan........ can you sign my T-shirt?? :redtowel:
 
infantrycak said:
Yes, it was the '03 Atlanta game--36 yd run on 3rd and 5. Oddly, that game gets credited sometimes as a Banks win even though when he went out of the game at half time we were down 7 to 3.
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It's plays like that, IMO, that stick out and say "This guy can play."

It's the juke near the goal line against New Orleans (leaving the defender looking silly), and then waltzing into the end zone. What an awesome move.

It's the leap over the top against the Jags, winning the game.

It's "rocking up" and throwing some clutch passes against the Cowboys during his rookie season, causing Jerry Jones to get facial re-construction surgery...and giving us a great memory for all of Texans history.

There's more than that, but those are the ones that stick out in my mind: Plays that I don't think you'll see on a Tim Couch highlight reel.
 
hollywood_texan said:
I concur.

Man Law?

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LMAO! :thumbup Agreed. Man's Law rule.

bayoudreamn said:
Shouldn't all Texans threads end the same way?
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Perhaps. But Carr threads tend to get a little more vindictive than most (like VY threads), so they need a bit more resolution than regular threads. And it's the same ol' arguments going around in circles...for four years...so "we shall see" is more of a statement that some answers should be forthcoming this season.

WE SHALL SEE*





*(in accordance with Man's Law regarding Carr thread posts) ;)
 
This thread started out with me saying..... "look Kubiak says Carr is improving in all the things we said he needs to improve on"

Then everybody(hyperbole) acts like I kicked them in the nuts.....
 
After posting this in a thread you started called "I love David Carr" in the end of April...

He doesn't make constant mistakes...... he doesn't demand to sit when he's obviously getting his but beat...... when we don't have a chance to win...... no, he's running for first downs, head first trying to get his team back in the game.

I know I gave my boy a hard time the last few months.... & I'm sorry. I had to take extreme measures, to make sure this team didn't draft Reggie Bush....... nothing against Reggie.... but we needed to clean our stadium of that vile crew that cheered our Houston Texans to lose........ the "Bush Bowl" fans.

Now that the Texans are doing the smart thing, and drafting Mario Williams with the #1 overall, I'm done with that.
You mess with David, and your messing with me. He's my boy, and I got his back.
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You start the thread we are in now to tell us you were right about what you said Carr needs to work on (arm, accuracy, footwork), which all QB's work on anyway it's not like it's a secret.
So what's the point in this post??
Just to say...... we were right....
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Then you say
I understand being a fan, and sticking with your guy... but some of you here are just blinded by your loyalty, to call a duck a duck.....
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I just really don't understand your stance at all...
 
texan279 said:
After posting this in a thread you started called "I love David Carr"



You start the thread we are in now to tell us you were right about what you said Carr needs to work on (arm, accuracy, footwork), which all QB's work on anyway it's not like it's a secret.

Then you say

I just really don't understand your stance at all...
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would it surprise you that if I told you I'm also a Joey Harrington & an Aaron Brooks fan??

You tell me those guys have problems, and I'll say"Yeah... that's true, but they've also got........." depending who we'll be talking about I'll tell you what I like about him.....

I'm not going to make excuses about why he isn't living up to his potential(which is pretty much the definition of a bust..... in relation to time in the league, not quality of OLine)......

Most QBs in this ERA, don't get 4 years..... Vince won't get 4 years.

Oh yeah... I was a Quincy supporter as well.......... before the drug thing. I do have my limits.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
It's plays like that, IMO, that stick out and say "This guy can play."

It's the juke near the goal line against New Orleans (leaving the defender looking silly), and then waltzing into the end zone. What an awesome move.

It's the leap over the top against the Jags, winning the game.
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this is really sad. The play vs Atlanta was a run with no defenders near him and he wasn't even smart enough to get down on the ground with his bad shoulder. The goal line "juke" wasn't anything but a one yard bootleg. The one yard leap...well, that was a one yard leap. These don't show me he can 'play'. It shows me he can run when not covered or run for a yard on the goal line.
 
Vinny said:
this is really sad. The play vs Atlanta was a run with no defenders near him and he wasn't even smart enough to get down on the ground with his bad shoulder. The goal line "juke" wasn't anything but a one yard bootleg. The one yard leap...well, that was a one yard leap. These don't show me he can 'play'. It shows me he can run when not covered or run for a yard on the goal line.
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not all aboard with Carr in 06-07 are we now :confused:
 
Vinny said:
I guess I'm not blown away with one yard runs and a scramble when left uncovered.
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you had better adjust otherwise its gonna be a long, long, long season

we have had this discussion, I was also on board with selecting Vince Young, but they did not....... get over it.......Carr is an upgrade of Plummer nothing more nothing less and if the Texans are going to go as deep into the playoffs as Denver did with Jake the focus will be defensive :fireball:
 
Vinny said:
this is really sad. The play vs Atlanta was a run with no defenders near him and he wasn't even smart enough to get down on the ground with his bad shoulder. The goal line "juke" wasn't anything but a one yard bootleg. The one yard leap...well, that was a one yard leap. These don't show me he can 'play'. It shows me he can run when not covered or run for a yard on the goal line.
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As much as I defend Carr I agree with your take here, those plays were nothing special at all. I could have probably made that 1st down against Atlanta with my 2 bum knees :crutch: .
 
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