David Carr's on the right track...

[TEXANRED]

I was joking with the guy...

Sarcasm is hard to read. Trust me, my sarcasm always comes across mean when its not intended.

I remember when I first started I was given a hard time on every post.

Looking out for the (sniff, sniff) new guys.

 

[fan no matter what]

thanks

i dont really care what anyone thinks about my posts. I am an avid fan who follows all aspects of texan football as if it was a religon. i just throw my 2 cents in on occassion.

 

[Double Barrel]

thanks

i dont really care what anyone thinks about my posts. I am an avid fan who follows all aspects of texan football as if it was a religon. i just throw my 2 cents in on occassion.

Welcome to the forum, man. Stick around and try the dip!

You are more than welcome to throw your two cents (or heck, even a dollar) around whenever you want to, because that's what it's all about (like the Hokey Pokey! <---ummm, really dated reference there, sorry)

 

[fan no matter what]

thanks alot guys

love to talk football with any fans any time

 

[Vinny]

diehadfanfrombegining, or fan no matter what (whomever you are today).....welcome.

 

[TK_Gamer]

we're going on 5 years now...... maybe our QB is ready.......

I also see Vince starting and being more productive than Matt a lot sooner. Matt gets no playing time, if the Cardinals are winning. & that team is built to win. So if he doesn't beat out Warner in the Preseason, it may be next year before he straps on his helmet.

Tennessee aren't expect a winning season in '06....... they've got nothing to lose. If Vince can prove that he's ready...... which all reports indicate that he is doing...... he might start early in '06.

for your information Carr started all those years, and took hits that would have ended careers of lesser athletes, and we didnt have crappy seasons because of carr, you really need to get a new gripe i think. just my oppinion

 

[thunderkyss]

i have not been posting very long you are right. but i have been a texans fan since the beginning.

i dont have any problems with vy but i think david carr hasnt had a chance and with the coaching staff and upgrades to the line he should have a much improved year. of course that doesnt come without it actually happening and we will all be a little wiser this time next year.

We can say the same thing for Jabar Gaffney, Marcus Coleman, & Milford Brown....

but we don't. Heck Babin gets ragged on for doing the best he can at a position he had never played before in his life.

for your information Carr started all those years, and took hits that would have ended careers of lesser athletes, and we didnt have crappy seasons because of carr, you really need to get a new gripe i think. just my oppinion

2 year minimum wait on Vince..... that's what you said.......

we're on the David Carr 5 year plan..... that's what I said.

I didn't and haven't blamed one loss on David Carr.

 

[Vinny]

for your information Carr started all those years, and took hits that would have ended careers of lesser athletes, and we didnt have crappy seasons because of carr, you really need to get a new gripe i think. just my oppinion

Oh please, I have most of the games taped and I don't see all these vicious hits. Carr has rarely gotten lit up for a guy who was sacked as much as he was.....he caused many of them himself you know. He runs out of bounds or hits the turf pretty quickly.

 

[edo783]

fan no matter what, can stick around and is most welcome to the MB. However, I don't want no 2 cents or even a dollar, I want him to buy the BEER!

 

[fan no matter what]

thanks all

i literally read the threads daily to see what everyone has to say, or see if anyone has any information that i havent heard yet. it is a pleasure to actually have some conversation with you guys.

 

[real]

I don't recall him taking Many hard shots...He's taken alot of hits, but i don't recall seeing too many where I thought he wouldn't get up...

 

[TexansLucky13]

I didn't and haven't blamed one loss on David Carr.

Why not? QB is a focal point in the scheme of things when it comes to player contribution. An Offensive Tackle who does his job better than anyone else on every play will only result in giving the QB more time to throw, or improving the run block scheme. A Wide Reciever may run a route incorrectly, or drop a pass, but the QB still has more options. A Running Back is the only individual player other than QB who can produce, consistently and significantly, more yardage per game simply by being good at what he does.

Why shouldn't you be able to blame a loss on a QB? If you can blame it on a Kicker, you can blame it on the QB just as easily.

I don't "blame" a loss on Carr, as you said. But could we have had more wins if he would have played consistently better? Of course. It's sortof the same thing, in the end.

 

[TK_Gamer]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't recall him taking Many hard shots...He's taken alot of hits, but i don't recall seeing too many where I thought he wouldn't get up...



you really gonna go there? he's takin more cumulative damage in each season than most probowlers take in there career. i guess some people can find fault even in someones documented and editorialized strengths. i give up , Im not gonna reply to a carr thread again till after training camp. if none of us reply the carr haters can talk to each other, form a bond, a sorrority if you will.

 

[Vinny]

you really gonna go there? he's takin more cumulative damage in each season than most probowlers take in there career.

I've been watching the NFL since 1971 or so....I think you are reaching hard here.

 

[GP]

Then why hasn't Andre Johnson ever been called out on here? I have said things about problems with his performance in the past and it goes ignored, but every day I get on here there is a new thread having to do something with Carr.

Because people love to call out the guy who is supposed to be "the leader" of the team. I'm beginning to see that the QB position is the lightning rod for most fans' scrutiny.

Oh well, so be it.

You have a great point: Why the dumping on Carr but yet not on a guy (AJ) who has been relatively absent, as well, over the past few seasons?

Which leads me to theorize that the Carr bashing is more of a personal attack rather than anything relating to football.

 

[GP]

Thunderkyss:

After I asked "Do you support our QB, or harbor a desire to see him fail..." you replied by not quoting that section of my post. In addition, you wrote the following in response to the question:

"...As for me, and who I support....... I honestly believe this team can go 13-3... and that's what I'm rooting for..." -- Thunderkyss.

This is what I am driving at, OK? You seem to be unable to go on the record as to being a Carr supporter. You "say" you support us going 13-3, but it was void of Carr's name attached to it.

Now, to your credit--later on with another post--you do say that you do not wish to see Carr fail, and that you want us to go 13-3.

We've been arguing about nothing, to tell everyone the truth. This is a non-issue and while it's been semi-good to re-visit and/or re-live the Carr extension and it's ramifications on our team and its direction...this is a topic that probably should be dropped until Carr actually plays a down of NFL football in early September. Any takers?

 

[mexican_texan]

Because people love to call out the guy who is supposed to be "the leader" of the team. I'm beginning to see that the QB position is the lightning rod for most fans' scrutiny.

Oh well, so be it.

You have a great point: Why the dumping on Carr but yet not on a guy (AJ) who has been relatively absent, as well, over the past few seasons?

Which leads me to theorize that the Carr bashing is more of a personal attack rather than anything relating to football.

Maybe the fact that David Carr got a 3 year $24 million option picked up while he hasn't shown that he can be a player that earns an average of $8 mill. a year. AJ, on the other hand, went to the Pro Bowl in 04 and was hurt in 05.

 

[thunderkyss]

Which leads me to theorize that the Carr bashing is more of a personal attack rather than anything relating to football.

You're right.... my opinion of David Carr is way off, and has nothing what-so-ever to do with Football.

I hope he plays in 2006 exactly like he did in 2005...... which is just like he played in 2004......... which is just like he played in 2003..... which is just like he played in 2002.....

 

[real]

Because people love to call out the guy who is supposed to be "the leader" of the team. I'm beginning to see that the QB position is the lightning rod for most fans' scrutiny.

Oh well, so be it.

You have a great point: Why the dumping on Carr but yet not on a guy (AJ) who has been relatively absent, as well, over the past few seasons?

Which leads me to theorize that the Carr bashing is more of a personal attack rather than anything relating to football.

1) Carr has been the face of the franchise since day 1
2) A.J has been a better reciever than Carr has been a QB
3) Carr is the assumed leader

I don't understan why ya'll cant understand why Carr comes under more scrutiny than anyone else...But you are right...All we can do is wait for him to prove himself...

 

[GP]

Oh please, I have most of the games taped and I don't see all these vicious hits. Carr has rarely gotten lit up for a guy who was sacked as much as he was.....he caused many of them himself you know. He runs out of bounds or hits the turf pretty quickly.

And it's been either theorized (or proven) that Capers might have been ordering Carr to take those easy sacks, or run out of bounds, in an effort to (A) NOT risk the interception on a hurried pass and/or (B) To ensure that the clock continues to roll instead of getting stopped on an incomplete pass.

Now that might be just as grandiose of a theory as the second gunmen on the grassy knolle was, but it makes a lot of sense when we look at the fact that Capers style itself was designed to run off the clock as much as possible, via the run-run-throw to the RB playcalling he stylized so much over the past four years. His idea was to keep it close until the 4th quarter, after all.

And we do know that Carr was the consumate "company man" who didn't do much to serve himself by ripping up Capers when given the chance. Carr was loyal to the coach.

 

[texan279]

Maybe the fact that David Carr got a 3 year $24 million option picked up while he hasn't shown that he can be a player that earns an average of $8 mill. a year. AJ, on the other hand, went to the Pro Bowl in 04 and was hurt in 05.

It was either pay Carr for the extension or let him become a free agent, no one had any say in the amount Carr was paid, it was either 8 mil a season or let him go. Johnson went to the pro bowl once, that doesn't mean he is earning his paycheck now.

 

[jerek]

This is about what I expected to see in my biweekly Carr thread checkup.

Forgive me for interrupting. Carry on.

 

[real]

It was either pay Carr for the extension or let him become a free agent, no one had any say in the amount Carr was paid, it was either 8 mil a season or let him go. Johnson went to the pro bowl once, that doesn't mean he is earning his paycheck now.

I think they could've gone with a lesser option on Carr...

 

[texan279]

1) Carr has been the face of the franchise since day 1
2) A.J has been a better reciever than Carr has been a QB
3) Carr is the assumed leader

I don't understan why ya'll cant understand why Carr comes under more scrutiny than anyone else...But you are right...All we can do is wait for him to prove himself...

I don't see how Carr is the "assumed" leader because he is our QB, there are "leaders" on other teams who are not the QB.

 

[texan279]

I think they could've gone with a lesser option on Carr...

The Texans have finally exercised the $8 million option that extends quarterback David Carr's contract through the 2008 season, a person close to the team said today.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3649092.html

It was an $8 option from his rookie contract, it was basically a contract extension from his rookie contract, no negotiation on the salary.

 

[real]

I don't see how Carr is the "assumed" leader because he is our QB, there are "leaders" on other teams who are not the QB.

Are you serious?? ....So IYO, who IS the leader ?

 

[texan279]

Are you serious?? ....So IYO, who IS the leader ?

I don't have an opinion on who the "leader" of the team is, I'm not in the locker room with the players or on the field with them. I just don't understand how you can assume a certain player is the "leader" of a team because he plays a certain position.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thunderkyss:
We've been arguing about nothing, to tell everyone the truth. This is a non-issue and while it's been semi-good to re-visit and/or re-live the Carr extension and it's ramifications on our team and its direction...this is a topic that probably should be dropped until Carr actually plays a down of NFL football in early September. Any takers?

Nah...... not me.

it's not about can Carr win or not. I believe he can, but to get us(me) to were we(I) want this team to be, he needs to be playing better than he has.

True, he's been behind a poor offensive line.... True, Capers has proven to be less than adequate at developing QBs..... True, Carr has taken a lot of sacks...

But he still looks like a rookie learning how to play in the NFL.

This thread was started as a "See Carr should be better at this stage of his Career than he is" Pointing to some things Kubiak has said about Carr. He didn't come right out, and say that, but it's the feeling I get.

I'm just saying, instead of just jumping on everyone who criticise Carr(and yes, there are some who Bash Carr for other reasons....) just tell us what you really think, like every other topic.

Carr ran into a lot of sacks....... Car hit the ground, before he got touched..... Carr ran out of bounds with the ball..... Carr never looks for the second option...... Carr threw that one in the dirt..

Just say,"Yeah, I hope Kubiak fixes that"

trust me, I can go onto the Colts board, as a Texans fan, and say,"Peyton needs to learn how to better handle pressure" & other than the obvious,"get out of here you texans troll" responses, I'll get more," well yeah, he needs to improve on that...... but that's not going to happen very often.... I'm confident we'll fix that problem"

Most of the Carr Critics here, are true Texans fans, and most of us(well me anyway) would rather see Carr get better, than just get rid of him altogether. .. now.

We can, and do criticize Babin, Peek, Greenwood, Buchannon, McKinney, Wade, Wand, Pitts, Gaffney, TJ, etc.... with no problem. we have supporters, and detractors...... we have our discussion, and everything is everything.

But talk about Carr...... and watch out.


Oh, and I will admit, when I started this thread, there were more Carr threads than I realized..... the others don't say Carr in the title...... honest mistake.

 

[real]

I don't have an opinion on who the "leader" of the team is, I'm not in the locker room with the players or on the field with them. I just don't understand how you can assume a certain player is the "leader" of a team because he plays a certain position.

NO .........Comment ......I'll let francis talk...........

 

[Double Barrel]

And it's been either theorized (or proven) that Capers might have been ordering Carr to take those easy sacks, or run out of bounds, in an effort to (A) NOT risk the interception on a hurried pass and/or (B) To ensure that the clock continues to roll instead of getting stopped on an incomplete pass.

Now that might be just as grandiose of a theory as the second gunmen on the grassy knolle was, but it makes a lot of sense when we look at the fact that Capers style itself was designed to run off the clock as much as possible, via the run-run-throw to the RB playcalling he stylized so much over the past four years. His idea was to keep it close until the 4th quarter, after all.

And we do know that Carr was the consumate "company man" who didn't do much to serve himself by ripping up Capers when given the chance. Carr was loyal to the coach.

That's as nice of an excuse as any, so why not? Blame it on Capers...he's not here to defend himself!

Although...one could point out that there are ways to avoid taking a sack stat...like throwing out of bounds...but of course, Capers said not to do that, either. [/chain yank]

These Carr threads do get to the point of silly by the end, though...and with that, I leave you this:

 

[Vinny]

I don't see how Carr is the "assumed" leader because he is our QB, there are "leaders" on other teams who are not the QB.

and most of those teams didn't spend a first overall on them either. You take the massive cap hit paycheck...you take the bad with the good. He has yet to live up to his cap hit so he is still paid on spec 60 starts into his career. That's the reason he gets so much of the banter around here...good, and bad.

 

[srstex]

AJ was a probowler-who threw the passes, oh yeah Carr. Who called the plays, well that would be Capers and if you don't run the plays the coach calls you won't be running plays at all. I watch a lot of games and last year the the entire team lost faith by the fourth game, the offense had no imagination, and the defense was run poorly. I have said it before, teams run away from Babin, and he was demoted last year for not trailing a play, he was always triling the play because no one ran at him, they ran at Peek, or Wong. This is a TEAM effort, not the Carr experience, the Problem was Capers the symptoms were poor results, and poor records.

 

[texan279]

and most of those teams didn't spend a first overall on them either. You take the massive cap hit paycheck...you take the bad with the good. He has yet to live up to his cap hit so he is still paid on spec 60 starts into his career. That's the reason he gets so much of the banter around here...good, and bad.

Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick in 2005, is he the "leader" of the 49'ers? How about Eli Manning, is he the "leader" of the Giants? Is Carson Palmer the "leader" of the Bengals? Tim Couch the lader of the Browns, oh wait he doesn't play there anymore. Andre Johnson has not played to the level in which he is paid either 3 seasons into his career, but no one says a word, because he made one pro bowl during one mediocre season he had.

 

[CajunTexan]

It's amazing how his contract is still such a big reason that people wish D.Carr wasn't a Texan. The simple fact is that he agreed to a legal contract 4 years ago that bound him to the team. In that contract, it stated that if the team wanted to keep him after the 4th year, which they did, they would have to pay him a large sum of money to do so. Contracts are contracts, and as much as many people hate it, it has already gone against the cap for this season. There is nothing that can be done about it now. Carr has the tools, we all know it. Build a bridge and get over it.

This has been my take on the contract issue. His original contract was negotiated as a rookie based on his potential. DC meet "certain performance incentive" that voided the final 3 years and opened up the option. The point is, the team negotiated the deal, Carr meet the incentives, the team picked up the option. The team had choices and they made them. Its done, get....over....it!

 

[thunderkyss]

Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick in 2005, is he the "leader" of the 49'ers? How about Eli Manning, is he the "leader" of the Giants? Is Carson Palmer the "leader" of the Bengals? Tim Couch the lader of the Browns, oh wait he doesn't play there anymore. Andre Johnson has not played to the level in which he is paid either 3 seasons into his career, but no one says a word, because he made one pro bowl during one mediocre season he had.

Andre Johnson has shown flashes of greatness, with much more consistency than David Carr...... you are blind, or a fool, if you don't believe AJ is special.

And if your team is going to be rememberable, you have to have a field leader. On offense, that guy has to be the QB..... that's just the way it is. He calls the plays, he is the executor of every play.

Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Bret Favre, John Elway, Jonny Unitas, even Jim Kelly........ who else were supposed to lead these teams??

 

[thunderkyss]

This has been my take on the contract issue. His original contract was negotiated as a rookie based on his potential. DC meet "certain performance incentive" that voided the final 3 years and opened up the option. The point is, the team negotiated the deal, Carr meet the incentives, the team picked up the option. The team had choices and they made them. Its done, get....over....it!

you wouldn't happen to know what those incentives were would you??

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Quack! Quack! Quack!

 

[texan279]

Andre Johnson has shown flashes of greatness, with much more consistency than David Carr...... you are blind, or a fool, if you don't believe AJ is special.

And if your team is going to be rememberable, you have to have a field leader. On offense, that guy has to be the QB..... that's just the way it is. He calls the plays, he is the executor of every play.

Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Bret Favre, John Elway, Jonny Unitas, even Jim Kelly........ who else were supposed to lead these teams??

So you think AJ deserves his check based on "flashes of greatness" but you complain about what we pay Carr based on potential? Makes sense to me...AJ sure was consistent in dropping passes last season...And usually the offensive coordinator calls the plays unless you're Manning...As far as who else would lead the teams, how about Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Thurman Thomas off the top of my head...

 

[TexanFan881]

What I don't understand is why does it matter how much we're paying Carr? We're under the cap by about 4 mil atleast and it's not like there is anyone available that can lead this team better than Carr. We're not going to get a better WR than Andre Johnson either. Kubiak has also said that he wants Carr to be a more vocal leader and I'm sure Carr will respond. I know we're giving Andre Johnson and David Carr a lot of money but we're not going to get anyone better and they are two of the better players on our team. There's only two good free agents left out there: Ty Law (we can't afford him) and Lance Shulters (but we can afford him if we want him). Kubiak likes the DB position so I don't see why we'd spend money on them anyways. So Carr and AJ haven't lived up to there contract yet, but it's not like they're "huge salaries" are holding us back from getting more players.

 

[texan279]

What I don't understand is why does it matter how much we're paying Carr? We're under the cap by about 4 mil atleast and it's not like there is anyone available that can lead this team better than Carr. We're not going to get a better WR than Andre Johnson either. Kubiak has also said that he wants Carr to be a more vocal leader and I'm sure Carr will respond. I know we're giving Andre Johnson and David Carr a lot of money but we're not going to get anyone better and they are two of the better players on our team. There's only two good free agents left out there: Ty Law (we can't afford him) and Lance Shulters (but we can afford him if we want him). Kubiak likes the DB position so I don't see why we'd spend money on them anyways. So Carr and AJ haven't lived up to there contract yet, but it's not like they're "huge salaries" are holding us back from getting more players.

I really do not have a problem with what anyone is paid. What I have a problem with is people complaining about Carr's salary being paid on "potential" when there are players like AJ who haven't really done anything or guys like Wade who are making big bucks and underperforming and no one says a word...

 

[CajunTexan]

I'd like to nominate this post for "Post of the Off-Season."

That's exactly what is behind a lot of this spinning--folks taking often but not always overstated positions in the 1st place not owning up to the fact they may be wrong or a player has improved.

I would like to second that nomination. Motion carried.

 

[CajunTexan]

you wouldn't happen to know what those incentives were would you??

You know Kyss, I don't. But would be very interested to see what they were.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Wade was a flop and should be cut. Carr has not been a good return on investment to date and then we extended this still unproven commodity. This is year four for AJ, he could be better, but he is not at the top of the list of people we need to harp on as people for the most part think it is a ridiculous proposition and voice it by not startinig threads about AJ being over valued.

 

[GP]

I'll take Thunderkyss' statements from his previous post, and take 'em one at a time:

Thunderkyss says: It's not about can Carr win or not. I believe he can, but to get us(me) to were we(I) want this team to be, he needs to be playing better than he has.

GP says: If Carr is talented enough to earn your confidence, then understand something: He, like most other players on our team, have always been talented enough to earn their pay (in one respect or another), but because of the system the players were forced to operate within...their talent could not overcome the fundamental flaws of the system that would never allow their talent to be utilized or maximized properly. I think all of us were able to see that our coaching staff had no idea, or no desire, to even try to stretch the field. Again, we were running plays (called by Capers and Co., by the way) that teenagers use in flag football by drawing the play in the dirt. It was so comical to see grown men, such as Carr and the entire offense, being forced to run dinks and dunks all day, and the other team's defense just laughing at us and stacking the line with almost all their players. So, I would say that Carr has drawn far more criticism than the other names you mention.

Thunderkyss says: Carr ran into a lot of sacks....... Car hit the ground, before he got touched..... Carr ran out of bounds with the ball..... Carr never looks for the second option...... Carr threw that one in the dirt..

GP says: All of that was more or less a natural outcome of the inability of our coaching staff to give proper playcalling and/or to expose the defense's weaknesses. And the more heat Carr got, the MORE conservative Capers would get with the playcalling to try and protect him. It's getting to be a broken record, and you should be able to admit this one true factor of football: If you NEVER establish a downfield threat, or even a middle-of-the-field threat against a defense, the defense will creep up and just smash you in the mouth all day long...until you get tired of getting your chops busted. That's what happened to us. Teams were teeing off on the offensive linemen, and those guys were just shell-shocked by the middle of the first quarter of each game. Oh yeah, except the Cardinals game...which Carr was given control of by McNair and Reeves. We scored 24 points that half and won the game. Ding! Ding! Ding! One half of one game, and the team flourishes.

Thunderkyss says: Most of the Carr Critics here, are true Texans fans, and most of us(well me anyway) would rather see Carr get better, than just get rid of him altogether. .. now.

GP says: Hold on a second. Aren't you the same guy who thinks VY will be an instant hit? And although I can't pinpoint it, I'd like to also think you probably would have been pretty OK with us ditching Carr and drafting Vince, correct? If I'm wrong...I apologize. But the thing I like to point out is that a fair share of people who are anti-Carr are indeed very much pro-Young. So in that sense, a pro-Vince fan has a biiiiiiiiiiiig conflict inside himself in terms of having to cheer Carr while biting the inside of his cheek while doing it. I don't know, I am having a hard time truly believing that an anti-Carr fan, although he might be a Texans fan, can fully enjoy any success that Carr might have this season. And I have an easier time envisioning an anti-Carr fan having a big smile on his face if he fails and gets yanked from the field.

Anyways, I think I gotta' run. Good discussion, though.

 

[infantrycak]

Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Bret Favre, John Elway, Jonny Unitas, even Jim Kelly........ who else were supposed to lead these teams??

While I understand your point, you have a couple of less than stellar examples in there. Multiple folks have pointed to the leaders of the Cowboys O as Irvin, Smith and Aikman in that order. There have also been comments over the years about Montana not being a leader in any regard other than as a good player--the same has been said of Peyton. The QB will always be the focus of the fans for leadership, but they aren't always the actual primary leader of the O.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Car Wash by Rose Royce

woo
you might not ever get rich
but let me tell ya better than diggin' a ditch
there ain't no tellin' who ya might meet.,
a movie star or may be even an indian chief

(workin' at the) car wash
workin' at the car wash yeah!
come on and sing with me car wash
get with feelin' y'all car wash yeah!

come summer the work gets kinda hard
thia ain't no place to be if ya planned on being a star
let me tell you it's always cool
and the boss don't mind sometimes if ya act a fool

at the car wash
talkin' about the car wash yeah!
come on and sing it for me car wash.
car was yeah!

(work and work)well those cars never seem to stop commin'
(work and work)keep those rags and machines hummin'
(work and work)my fingers to the bones
(work)at five i can't wait 'til it's time to go home
hey
get your car washed today
fill up and you don't have to pay
come on and give us a play
get a wash right away

car wash talkin' about the car wash yeah!
woo car wash

those cars never seems to stop comin'
well
i say
keep those rags and machines hummin'

 

[CajunTexan]

thanks all

i literally read the threads daily to see what everyone has to say, or see if anyone has any information that i havent heard yet. it is a pleasure to actually have some conversation with you guys.

"Fan"....welcome. Conversation usually turns to "robust dialogue" in a Carr thread.

I don't know why everyone complains about them, they are usually the most entertaining!

 

[thunderkyss]

So you think AJ deserves his check based on "flashes of greatness" but you complain about what we pay Carr based on potential? Makes sense to me...AJ sure was consistent in dropping passes last season...And usually the offensive coordinator calls the plays unless you're Manning...As far as who else would lead the teams, how about Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Thurman Thomas off the top of my head...

Do you seriously believe Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, & Thurman Thomas were their team leaders, and not their QB??

Have you ever played football?? the QB is the leader. (that's a period in case you didn't see it).

 

[texan279]

Do you seriously believe Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, & Thurman Thomas were their team leaders, and not their QB??

Have you ever played football?? the QB is the leader. (that's a period in case you didn't see it).

I played football for 10 years at various levels until I had to have surgery on my knee and stop playing. See cak's post above if you have question's about team leaders. It is ridiculous to think that a QB is automatically a team leader because he plays QB...

 

[CajunTexan]

Car Wash by Rose Royce

woo
you might not ever get rich
but let me tell ya better than diggin' a ditch
there ain't no tellin' who ya might meet.,
a movie star or may be even an indian chief

(workin' at the) car wash
workin' at the car wash yeah!
come on and sing with me car wash
get with feelin' y'all car wash yeah!

come summer the work gets kinda hard
thia ain't no place to be if ya planned on being a star
let me tell you it's always cool
and the boss don't mind sometimes if ya act a fool

at the car wash
talkin' about the car wash yeah!
come on and sing it for me car wash.
car was yeah!

(work and work)well those cars never seem to stop commin'
(work and work)keep those rags and machines hummin'
(work and work)my fingers to the bones
(work)at five i can't wait 'til it's time to go home
hey
get your car washed today
fill up and you don't have to pay
come on and give us a play
get a wash right away

car wash talkin' about the car wash yeah!
woo car wash

those cars never seems to stop comin'
well
i say
keep those rags and machines hummin'

See, what other thread could you get the words from a 70's trash disco tune!!!! KT, I know you didn't!