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Clowney, then what?
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leebigeztx
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Not really. The 1st thing people say about clowney is freak athlete not natural pass rusher. Can't bend or change direction. When Ford said blind dog in a meat market,many took it a certain way. What he was basically saying and what a lot of people say is he's raw as a pass rusher. He doesn't have moves either. Its either a speed rush or bull rush. What good to great pass rushers have coming out of college is the setup,even as simple as it sounds. The good pass rushers even coming out of college could come upfield,get the tackle to kick step for the speed and then convert that into power and forklift the tackle into the qb. That's not clowney. Once he commits to speed rush,that's it. Once he commits to bull rush,that's it. In the nfl with the way tackles recover after the initial move,you have to be able to do both to be effective. That's what the good ones do and most did that coming out of college unless they were new to the position or at a small school like strahan,jpp,ansah, etc.
Everyone keeps saying there isn't any value , but all it takes is one team to fall in love with a player and think he's their missing piece.
1:6 & 2:6 doesn't get it done for me , I have to have at least one future #1 and one other pick in this draft (3rd ot 4th round).
Atlanta at 6 is probably the lowest I'd move for a package of 1st , 2nd , 3/4 + a future 1. After the 6th pick , the price goes up significantly.
So not only do we "require" a handsome package, we'll only accept that package from one of the 5 other teams picking in the top 6. Sorry, I'm just not seeing it happen.
Say Watt
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Can someone please educate me on what exactly makes Clowney this can't miss prospect everyone is making him out to be? He seems to have no pass rush moves, he relies entirely on his athleticism, his straight line speed was really good but his agility was sub-par, and he was a no-show this last season. I didn't want Mario Williams when we drafted him, but even Mario was 10x the prospect Clowney is. Clowney needs a TON of work as he simply has not worked on the intricacies of the position.
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Not so ! Most everybody rates Clowney a superior or atleast an equivalent prospect to Mario, as do many also rate him superior to Peppers when he was caming out. You've been listening to the Clowney-haters on this Board. They are a mean-spirited group.
AngryNateFTW
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If he had come out the year before, you wouldn't be saying any of this.
Also, it looks like Clowney is the pick. Texans apparently taking him out to wine and dine after his Pro Day.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Everything being said here has been said in the national media as well.
If my Aunt had nuts...
If Leinart had come out in 2005 he almost certainly would have gone #1.
He didn't come out last year.
Texian
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I'm not sure they can.
You seemed to have pulled away the curtain on Clowney's game.
Until I know different, Clowney seems to fit Jimmy Johnson's rule of, "Hit me in the head with a hammer if I ever try to sign a dumb player". Wunderlic anyone?
AngryNateFTW
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Everyone loves to love Clowney. It's Manziel people love/hate.
I think they are comparable , I love the ability of both players but hate the risk represent. Either of them could be a superstar or a total bust , out of the league in 3 years.
Thing is , one of them plays a position I'd be willing to gamble on , the other .... not so much.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Frankly I really got down on Manziel when I saw him completely disrespect his HC after a particular play when he and the offense were coming off of the field in a game in College Station. Summlin wanted to talk to Manziel, and Manziel may have bumped into him I'm not sure, but he just ignored Sumlin and walked by him. Then the deal with the trading cards in the offseason was clearly a total lack of consideration about his school because of possible rule infractions/penalties, potential eligibility issues to A&M. Sorry but I just think the guys a little self-centered prick and would really wonder what kind of a teammate he would be and what his teammates really think of him ?
The Texans aren't picking Manziel. Don't worry about it.
So arguably the leading analyst when it comes to player evaluations for the NFL Draft affixes the "better housekeeping stamp of approval" prominently upon the forehead of one Jadeveon Clowney. And that's for 3 consecutive years.
Is Clowney a slam-dunk to be a big-time player in th NFL ? Of course not, nobody is and nobody ever will be. Is he, well yea, that's what the man said, he's the best prospect. Nothing more, nothing less.
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A few zealots here 'hate" on whoever the Texans might select instead of their favorite prospect... and "hate" on whichever scouts/media types don't put their guy at #1 or don't mock their guy to the Texans. QB lovers hate Clowney.
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I am having a difficult time envisioning Clowney showing up on Monday mornings to study tape of next weeks opponent. Including the LT tendencies and how the OC uses the TE and FB to block the left side. Then doing the same with right side with all the same intensity just in case the DC wants to move Clowney around. From my observations I don't see this in Clowney. I could be wrong but I think this is part of the reason for his drop off in 2013. Clowney got out of 2013 exactly what he put in to it 2013.
When his Head Coach was asked about Clowney's work habits, he shrugged his shoulders and said, "ehhh, they were OK" and then listed a bunch of players that Clowney was not....I didn't see that as a ringing endorsement for the player.
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Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
Cal's Excellent Adventure continues.
Lost a lot of respect for Mayock when I watched him setting up to broadcast his opinion on how Teddy Bridgewater did at his pro day halfway through the workout. Down-rating TB's performance on NFLN when TB was still throwing in the background... at least give the courtesy of watching the kid's entire day of work before jumping in front of a camera.
Blake
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Isnt this the same guy who said he would take Mack #1? Im confused.
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It's over -- Clowney smiling, shaking hands, friendly
RAC now testing Clowney's hands out of two point, JdC getting his hands into RAC's chest as RAC acts like OL
Clowney bending over gassed, RAC steps in to lead some drills.
Hip flip on angled drop looked much better.
Better dropping into the flat & breaking on the ball. Hands on hips JdC.
Noticeably tight hips dropping back doing hip flips.
Clowney hugs Coach Washburn(Titans) after the workout.
Now running circles picking up & dropping tennis balls left & right bends.
Jumping over bags, picking up tennis balls drill. 7 bags for Clowney -- never been done before.
Jaguars brought a large contingent of coaches/scouts. Most all with Gus' haircut. #shavedbald
DJ Swearinger chatting up Clowney. JdC looks very playful... like a kid. Not at all sullen.
Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Clowney looks very friendly, chatty person-to-person, but I don't think he likes media/microphones.
Not just Clowney's day, SC has some good prospects...
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It's over -- Clowney smiling, shaking hands, friendly
RAC now testing Clowney's hands out of two point, JdC getting his hands into RAC's chest as RAC acts like OL
Clowney bending over gassed, RAC steps in to lead some drills.
Hip flip on angled drop looked much better.
Better dropping into the flat & breaking on the ball. Hands on hips JdC.
Noticeably tight hips dropping back doing hip flips.
Clowney hugs Coach Washburn(Titans) after the workout.
Now running circles picking up & dropping tennis balls left & right bends.
Jumping over bags, picking up tennis balls drill. 7 bags for Clowney -- never been done before.
Jaguars brought a large contingent of coaches/scouts. Most all with Gus' haircut. #shavedbald
DJ Swearinger chatting up Clowney. JdC looks very playful... like a kid. Not at all sullen.
Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
Clowney looks very friendly, chatty person-to-person, but I don't think he likes media/microphones.
Not just Clowney's day, SC has some good prospects...
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Hampton, Victor CB 5'9" 197 South Carolina
Quarles, Kelcy DT 6'4" 297 South Carolina
Shaw, Connor QB 6'0" 206 South CarolinaNFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
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Clowney's Pro day: http://www.jaguars.com/live/
Why?
Everything I heard, questioning his motor, was just that, questioning his motor. The knock has been that he takes plays off. As far as I know, there hasn't been anything about him not studying tape, putting in extra work, or not putting in extra work. Falling asleep at meetings, or not showing up at meetings... in fact I haven't heard one question about his off the field activities, till now.
The dude dropped 10 pounds in the offseason. A whole lot harder to do (especially for a guy with virtually no body fat) than adding 10lbs of fluff.
I understand he wasn't as productive this last season as many would have liked & that's been the cause for the questions about his motor. I'm not in the JaDaveon Clowney corner, I don't want to draft him, but when I watch him play football, the kid is disruptive & he's every bit the physical freak they say he is.
His coach said he had to slow him down in practice. I think Jj Watt would love more guys like that on his team. But that's just me.
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I believe that Clowney got out of 2013 exactly what he put in to it 2013.
When his Head Coach was asked about Clowney's work habits, he shrugged his shoulders and said, "ehhh, they were OK" and then listed a bunch of players that Clowney was not....I didn't see that as a ringing endorsement for the player. I believe that statement says a whole lot more than Coach Spurrier was willing to say.
infantrycak
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To add on, when Swearinger was talking about the coach the Texans brought in and Clowney it was about Clowney being manageable, that he could be motivated with proper supervision. Those kinds of comments come as a reflection of an underlying lack of motivation issue.
Nothing about Clowney points to student of the game.
hookinreds
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Kolar is running the drills.
hookinreds
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Really? I thought his change of direction looked really smooth and quick in the attack/pursue drill he ran early on.
Funny how one set of eyes can see it one way and one set see it another. Not arguing with your opinion, just commenting on how I saw it.
hookinreds
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Hips look good in drop back coverage drills too. Romeo working on footwork and change of direction W drills now too.
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"I wish we had pads on... get out and hit somebody" JdC on the drills today.
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"I don't think day could've gone much better for Clowney." -- Daniel Jeremiah, NFLN
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MistaRed
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This.
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Barring any trade back, Clowney at 1.1 is a no-brainer. Then again, it's been that way for months for me. At number 1 overall you take the best player available in the entire draft. Clowney, is by a large margin, the best player in this draft.
For those reading too much into what the Ole Ball Coach said, here's his latest thoughts on Clowney
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap2000000338889/Spurrier-You-can-t-block-Clowney-one-on-one
For those reading too much into what the Ole Ball Coach said, here's his latest thoughts on Clowney
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap2000000338889/Spurrier-You-can-t-block-Clowney-one-on-one
No, he did not look like Darrelle Revis when he opened his hips, changed directions while back peddling. But that's a 265 pounder folks, and I thought he was really very impressive and moved very well, was not the least bit clumsy.
cameronkrazie86
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I think the safe pick would be J Clown, & then pick up a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
This is what I would do. I just cannot pass up the opportunity to have potentially the best defensive line for the next decade with him and Watt.
I would much rather grab Clowney and then roll the dice with an Aaron Murray or Zach Mettenberger type later in the draft. Worst case, you know that 2015 1st round is when you grab the franchise QB.
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His conversation today with Spurrier. Spurrier told his his work ethic comparison weeks ago -- "he's no Marcus Lattimore" -- was not a cut on Clowney. Spurrier said Lattimore was the hardest worker he's had in 20 years.
The1ApplePie
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The best thing for the Texans would be to take Clowney and hope somebody falls in love with Derrick Carr. If Teddy B or Manziel fall into the bottom of the first, wouldn't mind a trade up. If either get out of the top-10, they could slide
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Something Witty !
Because they did what ?
Hemlock
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What a drama queen.
Say Watt
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Would love this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't think I can continue rooting for the Texans if they don't pick Manziel. What I'm saying is I don't know how I can keep rooting for this franchise if they choose Clowney. I want nothing to do with him.
Can anyone name me a pass rusher that was taken in the top 5 that had a season with less than 5 sacks? That is simply atrocious. Yes, I know he is big, strong, and has good straight line speed. But as I said before, the guy's agility is nothing special, he has no pass rush moves, and his work ethic isn't the best (also isn't the worst). I just don't see at all what makes this guy worthy of being a #1 pick, let alone the best prospect of the last decade like some make him out to be.
Say Watt
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Because it looks like, based on their reaction, that the Texans are taking Clowney. Give me Mack. Give me Manziel. Trade down. But just don't take the bum that is Jadeveon Clowney.
Where do you get that he has no pass rush moves?