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Clowney, then what?

Mr teX said:
We need more of these college coaches to be honest about a player's tendencies...that's what's wrong with many of these incoming rookies now...
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Good for those in pro ball/us, but if I'm recruiting against the guy I play that tape to my 5-star recruits and tell them I'll be on their side when they're up for the NFL draft.

thunderkyss said:
Look like Tarzan, plays like Jane has nothing to do with work ethic. It's about being soft. No one is accusing Clowney of being soft.
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Yep, agree.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtUz1uEWWQ&feature=share&t=11m8s

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I missed on the "he has players back in his college locker room that this example will be used to hold them accountable", and that he'll approach recruits with about accountability.
 
Playoffs said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtUz1uEWWQ&feature=share&t=11m8s

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I missed on the "he has players back in his college locker room that this example will be used to hold them accountable", and that he'll approach recruits with about accountability.
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Not the comments beginning at 15:56 re his bone spurs. As I've posted before, this is a very real possibility explaining last year......whether it is publicly revealed following the Combine medical exam or not.
 
From Ian Rapoport of NFL Network:
Talked to a few evaluators about what Jadeveon Clowney would be if #Texans drafted him in Romeo’s scheme: SAM linebacker. Is athletic enough
 
MistaRed said:
From Ian Rapoport of NFL Network:
Talked to a few evaluators about what Jadeveon Clowney would be if #Texans drafted him in Romeo’s scheme: SAM linebacker. Is athletic enough
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The SAM lb's primary responsibility is in coverage against the TE and RB's and in run support. The SAM will be used to rush the QB on occasion, but not as a primary responsibility. In this capacity, instincts and experience are required to make the correct reads. Clowney does not have this experience. On the other hand, the primary responsibility of the ELEPHANT is to attack the QB. If Clowney were to move to LB, it would be on the weak side.
 
Number19 said:
The SAM lb's primary responsibility is in coverage against the TE and RB's and in run support. The SAM will be used to rush the QB on occasion, but not as a primary responsibility. In this capacity, instincts and experience are required to make the correct reads. Clowney does not have this experience. On the other hand, the primary responsibility of the ELEPHANT is to attack the QB. If Clowney were to move to LB, it would be on the weak side.
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You would think so. Want no part of Clowney at SLB.

Rather not have him at LB at all.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
You would think so. Want no part of Clowney at SLB.

Rather not have him at LB at all.
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Clowney's vast talent would be wasted if he's not playing 4-3 DE, preferable on the weak-side just as JJ will be wasted if he's playing a traditional 2-gap 3-4 down lineman role. I'm already anxious about Crennel's antiquated defense coming to Houston, I think keeping Wade would have been better but I understand that the new regime gets to name his own assistants.
 
OT Justin Britt, Missouri: “Probably Jadeveon Clowney. He’s a lot stronger than he might look, and he looks pretty strong. That 4.4 speed I think you’ll see this weekend — that really plays a role when you’re playing defensive end. When you’re playing tackle and he’s trying to back up, it’s very challenging. Overall, he’s just a very explosive player. He has that God-gifted ability.”
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T Taylor Lewan, Michigan: “Jadaveon Clowney, absolutely. That [bowl] game was unreal, having a month to prepare for a guy like that, knowing he was going to be a top five pick in the NFL draft -– just taking the time I had to watch his film, I put myself in an NFL situation. I spent the extra hours at night, which you have to do when this is your job. And I felt like I played one of my best games against him.”
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T Michael Schofield, Michigan: “I matched up against Jadeveon Clowney for one series [in the 2013 Outback Bowl]. That was hardest series of my life. … The hype is legit.”
http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/20/2014-nfl-combine-toughest-opponents/
 
I'm more interested in Clowney's vertical, 3 cone, & bench than I am about his 40. Actually I'd rather see a hundred yard dash than 40 from this guy.

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thunderkyss said:
I'm more interested in Clowney's vertical, 3 cone, & bench than I am about his 40. Actually I'd rather see a hundred yard dash than 40 from this guy.

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Clowey is gonna test well because he's that kind of athlete. His 40 will be 4.5 ish,he'll jump 44" probably. His 3 cone and shuttle won't be the fastest,but it will be fast enough. I've never wondered about clowney the athlete,just clowney the professional.
 
leebigeztx said:
Clowey is gonna test well because he's that kind of athlete. His 40 will be 4.5 ish,he'll jump 44" probably. His 3 cone and shuttle won't be the fastest,but it will be fast enough. I've never wondered about clowney the athlete,just clowney the professional.
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This. The combine doesn't change my evaluation of Clowney because I will still have the same questions about him. The interviews won't answer the questions on his work ethic. The only thing that will answer that is showing up to camp and working his tail off once he gets drafted. It's a risk.
 
leebigeztx said:
Clowey is gonna test well because he's that kind of athlete. His 40 will be 4.5 ish,he'll jump 44" probably. His 3 cone and shuttle won't be the fastest,but it will be fast enough. I've never wondered about clowney the athlete,just clowney the professional.
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I want to see the explosiveness in comparison to players that have come before him. See what we've got to work with.

I'm not worried about "the professional," that's why we have coaches to shape & mold him. He's nowhere near a finished product. To think so is unrealistic. Questionable character going to the Lions, or to a Gregg Williams coached team, you're probably asking for trouble.

Questionable character going to a Kubia.... uh... the Houston Texans, probably not so much. Especially with Jj Watt, Cushing, & Antonio on the team.
 
thunderkyss said:
I want to see the explosiveness in comparison to players that have come before him. See what we've got to work with.

I'm not worried about "the professional," that's why we have coaches to shape & mold him. He's nowhere near a finished product. To think so is unrealistic. Questionable character going to the Lions, or to a Gregg Williams coached team, you're probably asking for trouble.

Questionable character going to a Kubia.... uh... the Houston Texans, probably not so much. Especially with Jj Watt, Cushing, & Antonio on the team.
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Which is why Sam Montgomery flourished.

Oh.

Wait.

Yeah, "the professional" part bothers me a lot. I don't think we've been a successful franchise over a long enough period of time to claim we've got the locker room to be able to handle a #1 draft pick with these sorts of issues. The Patriots? Maybe. The Steelers? Maybe. Us? No.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Which is why Sam Montgomery flourished.

Oh.

Wait.

Yeah, "the professional" part bothers me a lot. I don't think we've been a successful franchise over a long enough period of time to claim we've got the locker room to be able to handle a #1 draft pick with these sorts of issues. The Patriots? Maybe. The Steelers? Maybe. Us? No.
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If we don't have the locker room presence to handle Clowney and his "issues" why even bother drafting anybody. Why even bother showing up on Sunday? Let's just concede a 0-16 season while we're at it.
 
klockWork said:
If we don't have the locker room presence to handle Clowney and his "issues" why even bother drafting anybody. Why even bother showing up on Sunday? Let's just concede a 0-16 season while we're at it.
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Which is what we did last season.

I think Clowney's issues are really, really bad. I think he's going to have to land in a really special situation not to be an almost Vernon Gholston-like bust. I don't want to waste a pick on a guy who might show up now and then.
 
Texian said:
I never said that. I said for a guy who will only touch the ball 12-15 times a game Bush is a waste of a #1 draft pick.
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I don't care what you said about Bush. This isn't about you or your track record. It's the hyperbole you're using.

People hype up players all the time. Tons of people were saying that Reggie Bush was the next Gale Sayers. He wasn't. Now you're saying Clowney will be like Deacon Jones if he gets into a 4-3 team. There have been guys touted as the next Peyton Manning or the next Reggie White or whatever. That's the same old, pre-draft hyperbole that people get into and the odds are, you're just as wrong as the people making those claims for Reggie Bush.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't care what you said about Bush. This isn't about you or your track record. It's the hyperbole you're using.

People hype up players all the time. Tons of people were saying that Reggie Bush was the next Gale Sayers. He wasn't. Now you're saying Clowney will be like Deacon Jones if he gets into a 4-3 team. There have been guys touted as the next Peyton Manning or the next Reggie White or whatever. That's the same old, pre-draft hyperbole that people get into and the odds are, you're just as wrong as the people making those claims for Reggie Bush.
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Apparently you do care or you wouldn't have brought it up or questioned my comparison of Clowney to Deacon. I have never compared another QB to Peyton Manning but I did compare JJ Watt's next contract to have a similar impact to the one Reggie White signed in Green Bay and I did say that Robert Nkemdiche has the potential to become a dominant player like Reggie White was. But I did not EVER say or compare Amobi Okoye as the next Reggie White. I was all in the the Patrick Willis camp. And I am NOT the least bit sorry if my Jadevon Clowney comparison to Deacon Jones comparison offends you. My best advice, if it does, is get over it!
 
Texans didn't draft watt to babysit or motivate. NE has a strong lockerroom becuz brady is BB's general.more important is BB can and wil dump guys regardless. Watt nor aj can make clowney pusue the plays away from him. If he were in hot pursuit more, he would've forced fumbles and had more tackles. When he sees jj chasing down ball carriers, does that rub off? I doubt it. That's internal.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah, "the professional" part bothers me a lot. I don't think we've been a successful franchise over a long enough period of time to claim we've got the locker room to be able to handle a #1 draft pick with these sorts of issues. The Patriots? Maybe. The Steelers? Maybe. Us? No.
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It's not like he committed multiple murders or raped a woman.
 
leebigeztx said:
Texans didn't draft watt to babysit or motivate. NE has a strong lockerroom becuz brady is BB's general.more important is BB can and wil dump guys regardless. Watt nor aj can make clowney pusue the plays away from him. If he were in hot pursuit more, he would've forced fumbles and had more tackles. When he sees jj chasing down ball carriers, does that rub off? I doubt it. That's internal.
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I don't know so much that Watt needs to be a baby sitter. Cushing & Demeco had a friendly competition thing going & it worked for the benefit of the Texans. Antonio pumps Jj up.

If I were worried at all about Clowney's want to, I'd put an incentive laden contract in front of him (since we've got the #1 pick, we can do that). If he balks..... we move on. I'm willing to negotiate the guarantee, the benchmarks, & the rewards. But if he absolutely won't have anything to do with it.....

Now, that's if the Texans question his work ethic. After they do their vetting & they don't have these concerns, then a reasonable & customary contract will do.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Just like Joey Harrington and David Carr being can't miss prospects who were going to be pro-bowlers.
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I don't remember a lot of people saying that. They were just considered the best in a weak draft class. Look back at the 2002 draft and you'll find a lot of busts. I think you can look back at that 1st round and say 20 of the 32 players selected either underachieved or were flat out busts.
 
Best in depth analysis I've read on JdC... :clap:

Read. Learn.

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The Notebook: Jadeveon Clowney is ready to be molded into a monster

Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White put the South Carolina pass rusher under the microscope. He's got some advice for the Houston Texans: Take Clowney.

Conclusion: Take Clowney

Here's the deal, though. If you're the Texans GM, quite frankly, you don't give a **** about any of that.

Or at least you shouldn't.

Why?

Because while this kid may run around a lot of blocks, he makes a hell of a lot of plays doing it.

He doesn't take on pulling guards correctly most of the time, but he damn sure forces a lot of whiffs while making a tackle for loss on counters and power Os. And even though Clowney is still inexplicably raw as a pass rusher after three years in the SEC, he sure does get a lot of friggin' pressure.

The key, in my book at least, is that at outside rushing linebacker in a 3-4, opposing offenses will have to try to block Clowney in space a lot more than they would if he were in a 4-3. The most consistent thing out of all those games is that he looked damn near unblockable in space.

You put him beside J.J. Watt, and SOMEBODY ain't getting double-teamed.

Pick your poison.

Draft him No. 1, and surely somebody on staff or in that locker room can teach him how to do a spin move. And a long arm to a rip. And the correct way to do a swim move.

If the Texans finally give Watt the kind of outside speed rusher beside him that will open things up inside, I have a feeling Clowney will quickly learn how to escape off a block.

(Oh, and if Clowney goes first overall, I'm pretty sure the Texans conditioning staff will make sure he stays in tip-top shape. Heh.)

In many ways, I'm pretty puzzled (and somewhat disappointed) as to how Clowney could have played that much in college and still be this raw technique-wise. It's also because he is still so raw that makes him so attractive as the top overall pick. Unless we find out that Clowney repeatedly refused to learn new things, he should be viewed as a ball of clay just waiting to be molded into an ass-kicking, pass-rushing monster.

If I were Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, I would be in the GM's office every day pounding the table to draft Clowney. The things he could do with a Clowney/Watt combination on third-and-long would keep me up late at night if I were an offensive coordinator in their division. I know they'll have a strong impulse to draft a quarterback with the first pick because of the problems they had there this past season. I get it.

They have a much better chance finding a quarterback somewhere else who will be good enough to take them to the playoffs than they do finding an outside linebacker in free agency who will be the kind of difference-maker that Clowney can be. For that reason, Jadeveon Clowney would be a no-brainer for me if I ran the Texans.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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read the complete analysis: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/21/5427664/jadeveon-clowney-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report
 
Playoffs said:
Best in depth analysis I've read on JdC... :clap:

Read. Learn.

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The Notebook: Jadeveon Clowney is ready to be molded into a monster

Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White put the South Carolina pass rusher under the microscope. He's got some advice for the Houston Texans: Take Clowney.


read the complete analysis: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/21/5427664/jadeveon-clowney-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report
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Fantastic writeup! Must spread the rep! Someone please get the man for me!!!!!!!!!
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't care what you said about Bush. This isn't about you or your track record. It's the hyperbole you're using.

People hype up players all the time. Tons of people were saying that Reggie Bush was the next Gale Sayers. He wasn't. Now you're saying Clowney will be like Deacon Jones if he gets into a 4-3 team. There have been guys touted as the next Peyton Manning or the next Reggie White or whatever. That's the same old, pre-draft hyperbole that people get into and the odds are, you're just as wrong as the people making those claims for Reggie Bush.
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Not only that, but Bush was a total stud when he came out into the draft his last two seasons. Clowney was a total no show this season for what was expected of him. Every time he had the media exposure he didn't show up.

As for the next Deacon Jones comment…….:lol:
 
Playoffs said:
Best in depth analysis I've read on JdC... :clap:

Read. Learn.


The Notebook: Jadeveon Clowney is ready to be molded into a monster

Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White put the South Carolina pass rusher under the microscope. He's got some advice for the Houston Texans: Take Clowney.


read the complete analysis: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/21/5427664/jadeveon-clowney-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report
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The question I have on Clowney, given that he doesn't have a repertoire of moves, and if moved to the Elephant, how much better would he be that Barr, if he even would be better. Clowney is larger, but Barr is quicker. Clowney would have the advantage when playing from a three point stance.
 
Lucky said:
I don't remember a lot of people saying that. They were just considered the best in a weak draft class. Look back at the 2002 draft and you'll find a lot of busts. I think you can look back at that 1st round and say 20 of the 32 players selected either underachieved or were flat out busts.
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Kiper said that.
 
Texian said:
Clowney is Deacon Jones in a 4-3 D.
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Don't you degrade the name of David Deacon Jones by attaching Clowney's name to him.

Clowney isn't in the same continent desire-wise compared to the Deacon.

The Deacon brought it every season, every game, every play. Can you say that attitude applies to Clowney?

You take that back!
:foottap:
 
ObsiWan said:
Don't you degrade the name of David Deacon Jones by attaching Clowney's name to him.

Clowney isn't in the same continent desire-wise compared to the Deacon.

The Deacon brought it every season, every game, every play. Can you say that attitude applies to Clowney?

You take that back!
:foottap:
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When draft talk turns toward Clowney, I keep thinking of the LA Rams defensive line which included Deacon Jones, Merlin Olson, Lamar Lundy and Rosie Greer.

I'd love to have another fearsome foursome or fearsome fivesome.
 
Texian said:
Clowney is Deacon Jones in a 4-3 D.
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Clowney cant hold Deacon Jones jock strap .... he has proven absolutely nothing. Deacon Jones is a HOFer who brought it every play for 14 seasons. Jones coined the phrase "sack the QB" .... and the NFL changed the rules of the game because of him (head slap). Clowney hasn't even been called for a penalty yet ....
 
Marshall said:
When draft talk turns toward Clowney, I keep thinking of the LA Rams defensive line which included Deacon Jones, Merlin Olson, Lamar Lundy and Rosie Greer.

I'd love to have another fearsome foursome or fearsome fivesome.
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Man...who wouldn't?
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Look at this pict. Those dudes came, EVERY game, to go to WORK!
Watt is a throwback to this era. Do you think Clowney would fit in with this group?
I'd bet J.J. could.
 
Corrosion said:
Clowney cant hold Deacon Jones jock strap .... he has proven absolutely nothing. Deacon Jones is a HOFer who brought it every play for 14 seasons. Jones coined the phrase "sack the QB" .... and the NFL changed the rules of the game because of him (head slap). Clowney hasn't even been called for a penalty yet ....
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Just to keep up with what ur saying, no team will double clowney until he proves he can beat single blocks and be disruptive. Teams didnt double jj until about 4 games in on his 20sack season. It sounds good, much lke the thougjt they did it in college. As stated, he was to prove he can vlbeat nfl lineman who recover very well
 
Playoffs said:
Jadeveon Clowney 6'5 1/4 266. 34 1/2 inch arms.
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Official measurements I assume ? No doubt Clowney has trimmed down some to elevate his performance at the combine, but this info further marginalizes his opportunities in a Crennel defense because at 'bout 265 Clowney is clearly a different type of player than a Mario Williams or Julius Peppers who were 20 to 30 pounds bigger.
With O'Brien as HC and a 3-4 coach as his DC, not nearly as likely that Texans would draft Clowney had the HC been a defensive oriented guy like Lovie who features the 4-3.
 
IDEXAN said:
Official measurements I assume ? No doubt Clowney has trimmed down some to elevate his performance at the combine, but this info further marginalizes his opportunities in a Crennel defense because at 'bout 265 Clowney is clearly a different type of player than a Mario Williams or Julius Peppers who were 20 to 30 pounds bigger.
With O'Brien as HC and a 3-4 coach as his DC, not nearly as likely that Texans would draft Clowney had the HC been a defensive oriented guy like Lovie who features the 4-3.
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Why do people keep putting Clowney at DE here. IF he is drafted by us he WILL. Play OLB. PERIOD!!!
 
mussop said:
Why do people keep putting Clowney at DE here. IF he is drafted by us he WILL. Play OLB. PERIOD!!!
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I'm not, which is kinda my point, because without the opportunity to play in a 3-point stance as a down lineman, 3-4 teams like the Texans are left in the precarious position of "projecting" Clowney as a LB in their defense.
 
ObsiWan said:
Got that directly from Crennel did you?
Post a link please
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At 266 lbs I don't think it is much of a stretch.

3-4 DE's under Crennel
310 lbs Seymour
300 lbs Ty Warren
310 lbs Alvin McKinley
320 lbs Orpheus Roye
315 lbs Robaire Smith
320 lbs Shaun Smith
313 lbs Corey Williams
310 lbs Kelly Gregg
316 lbs Glenn Dorsey
290 lbs Ropati Pitotua
295 lbs Tyson Jackson

Nobody even remotely close to Clowney. Now that last pair is only a hair off of JJ and Antonio.
 
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