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CJ Stroud year 2
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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Texansballer74
The Marine
The Jaguars just crawled out last season with 9 wins. The Titans and Colts have been there too, especially when the Texans were winning the division. This division is not weak all because of the Texans.
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
Au contraire my friend. A quick visit to the Colts/Jaguars/Titans boards over the past few years would tell you that;
1) Texans only won the AFCS because the other teams where rebuilding.
2) (Insert other AFCS Team) won the division because they are contenders.
It's comedy actually. Any time we took the banner it is because the division was dumpster juice. Any time one of the other three made it, they are going to "make noise" in the playoffs!
michaelm
vox nihili
My contention is with the word "should".
Yes they "could" win 10 games, but there's only one single argument to support that, and you made it. Anything is possible.
There's literally no logical argument I'll accept to support that claim that they "should" win 10 games
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Prior to the OB/Watson/Easterby implosion we were the AFC South favorites for several years. The Jags were the worst for most of that period and up until last year.
Since they went to the current alignment, there have been few years where the AFCS was not one of the weaker divisions
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Well, 3 teams in the division were picking in the top 11. That's the definition of the weakest division in the NFL.
It should happen THIS YEAR if they stay fairly healthy and Stroud doesn't screw the pooch.
Don't know how I feel about my QB's leadership being compared to a guy I don't believe to be much of a leader.
Boris
All Pro
How many huddles/locker rooms have you been in with Prescott?
I assume it is a decent amount.
We can all see he's talented enough.
We can all see he's athletic enough.
He hasn't won a Super Bowl. Hasn't been close. Two guys who haven't won a Super Bowl, haven't been close, say he's a great leader.
Don't know how I feel about my QB's leadership being compared to a guy I don't believe to be much of a leader.
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So only winners can be leaders?
I think the guys who have been in the locker rooms and on the field with these guys have a good idea of who is a leader and who isn't. Certainly a better idea than some fan.
That's fine & a good way to look at it. You do you.
Yes, unless you like people who aren't good enough to win big to be your leaders. So does Dak lack intestinal fortitude, or is he just not talented enough to be a winner. I still LOL at him running until the clock ran out in the playoff game against the 49ers 2 yrs ago. Dumbazz, You can be lead by losers too and I guess that's good enough for some. I could see Stroud having a Dak type career. Hollow numbers and shrinks in big games.
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How would you know drivel when you're head is buried in a spreadsheet?
On another note, just because I disagree with the way the franchise is being run or for instance my thoughts about the Texans futue with Stroud at QB doesn't mean I'm not a fan of the team or a troll. I just choose not to drink the koolaid after 21 yrs. I'm in prove it mode. What I find funny is some posters have said you have me on ignore. If this is true you have no idea of what/how often I'm posting. If this isn't true then I think we've found the troll and the troll isn't me. Did you take a long look in the mirror this morning?
Quoted for truth.
Tears? LMAO, you truly dont know me. I would love to engage in discussion with you and what makes you buy what the McNair's are selling you? AGAIN
I would like to think after 15 yrs on
So only 1 guy wins a team of 53 a Super Bowl?
That's a bit altruistic. I guess Dan Marino & Jim Kelly weren't great leaders either
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Your comment was that he hadn't won a Super Bowl
Texansballer74
The Marine
All because a player didn’t perform well in the playoffs, doesn’t mean they’re not a good leader.
It means you dont want him leading the team you root for.
Really? It's there for all to see. The post you quoted when you mentioned Marino & Kelly
True.
Just because Nobody Brown & Cole Beasley say he has great command of a huddle doesn't make him a good leader either.
The post that started the conversation. It's there for all to see.
So he lost games on his own?
edit: Not trying to argue, I just don't believe that winning defines a leader
If that's the way you want to read it.
He's been on some very, very talented teams.
As a college football fan, I liked Dak's college game and was skeptical of his chances in the NFL. I was pleasantly surprised to see him have success in Dallas along with my boy Zeke. 
I can't speak to Dak or CJ's leadership abilities but I believe that some players can be good at leading their teammates even if they're not necessarily that talented themselves.
I can't speak to Dak or CJ's leadership abilities but I believe that some players can be good at leading their teammates even if they're not necessarily that talented themselves.
Being a leader is different than being a talented player. There are plenty of talented people who can't lead, and plenty of leaders who don't have the same amount of talent as the people they are leading. It takes a team to win, whether it is in business or on the field.
I just don't see the point in ascribing a team's success to a single player. Nor do I think winner = leader and loser = not a leader. Only one team wins every year, is there only one leader every year? Was Brady a worse leader in college? Or what about in the seasons he didn't win the Super Bowl, was he a bad leader in those years? Was JJ Watt never a leader? DeMeco Ryans?
Big difference between didn’t win it all every year & never came close even on very talented teams.
Leadership is part of the equation for QB.
Hundreds of reasons why Dak lost a bunch of games. Poor leadership is part of the reason he never got past the Divisional round. Heck, he’s got problems getting to the playoffs in a division as bad as the AFCSouth
But how do you know it was poor leadership, if you weren’t there in the Locke room/in the huddle/in the sidelines?
Are there comment from players there saying that his leadership was bad, that they all would have played better with someone else telling them how great they are or something?
Coaching Matters
beerlover
Hall of Fame
History is a checkerd path. You either have talent to acquire talent and put a team together and develop that talent or you don’t.
All factors considered I’m on the fence. NC is willing to shell out draft capital more than a top flight GM tends to do but now he’s got a coach to believe in he’s banking on DeMeco to carry him.
Could legitimately work out but if not, it’s going to turn out unfavorably for him. He will be the scapegoat not DeMeco and not Stroud/Anderson.
Leadership. QB is an extension of that leadership.
look, you may think Dak hung the moon. I don’t. Hell of a player, hell of a QB. I think he’d have won more if he were a better leader.
You think the problem is all around him. That’s fine. Your opinion & you’re entitled to it. I’m not going to beat you down about your opinion.
Neither of us will ever know the truth.
He's carrying the water for Hannah McNair's pr firm.
You've never had to meet a payroll? If you have them you know there are winners and losers. It doesn't matter how great of a leader you are if you're a loser. You're business gets shutdown. Successful people are generally the best leaders.
This is a ridiculous comparison. I know you're a small business owner, but this is apples to oranges. Being a successful leader on a football field is more analogous to a military leader, hence the term field general. Successful people usually surround themselves with the best talent. Good leaders do the same thing. Not "yes men" but people who will challenge them. Ironically, 1 in 5 of successful businessmen are sociopaths/psychopaths who will do anything to succeed. Are you a sociopath/psychopath?
Can't wait to see this post with Stroud. It will be everybody else's fault but his when he fails and if he has any measures of success it will be inspite of coaching. At least that's the way it was around these parts when Derrick and BOB were here. Everybody knows the McNair's and Ryans won't get the blame for the failures. So that only leaves Slowik to be the fall guy.
Lmao
Failure isn't an option. You've met me before, I will let you draw your own conclusions. Business owners are generally calculated risk takers
I don't think anything of the sort. He's a QB for a team I don't like, nothing more. I just don't think team results hang on the leadership of one player