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CJ Stroud year 2
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Not lost on me.
banned1976
sleeper mode
And we're not actually evaluating them, we're just interpreting what others are saying they are seeing. We've only been getting short clips (some in slow motion for effect) of players in training camp. TBH, I'll "like" some of that content posted on this board to play along. But I want to see it for myself at full speed against comparable competition. Not Tank, or whoever that was catching a pass over Cobi Franics, a second year UDFA that has been an on-again off-again practice squad player.
In short, what Thorn said.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Has anyone noticed that we have gotten even less than previous years real-time reporting? In fact, we have receive no information that hasn't been thoroughly filtered...............nothing worthwhile for our own eyes to interpret.............except isolated short clips that are highly selectively plucked out. According to what we are almost made to believe then is that the Texans are having an offseason of only rainbows and unicorns.................must be no QB interceptions, WR drops or wrong routes, DB and LB missed coverages, OL misteps, muffed punts, etc.
Do you really trust players, coaches and owners to give honest evaluations when they are not subject to fact checking by those not having skin in the game?
Has anyone noticed that we have gotten even less than previous years real-time reporting? In fact, we have receive no information that hasn't been thoroughly filtered...............nothing worthwhile for our own eyes to interpret.............except isolated short clips that are highly selectively plucked out. According to what we are almost made to believe then is that the Texans are having an offseason of only rainbows and unicorns.................must be no QB interceptions, WR drops or wrong routes, DB and LB missed coverages, OL misteps, muffed punts, etc.
Do you really trust players, coaches and owners to give honest evaluations when they are not subject to fact checking by those not having skin in the game?
It’s OTAs and mini camps. I don’t remember a lot of pertinent info emerging from these. I do remember fans going to training camp and relaying their opinions. I hope we see that again.
In the meantime, what’s so bad about
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As long as the unicorn looks like this lol.It’s OTAs and mini camps. I don’t remember a lot of pertinent info emerging from these. I do remember fans going to training camp and relaying their opinions. I hope we see that again.
In the meantime, what’s so bad aboutand
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Number19
Hall of Fame
I've noticed a decline in real reporting for several years, now.Has anyone noticed that we have gotten even less than previous years real-time reporting? In fact, we have receive no information that hasn't been thoroughly filtered...............nothing worthwhile for our own eyes to interpret.............except isolated short clips that are highly selectively plucked out. According to what we are almost made to believe then is that the Texans are having an offseason of only rainbows and unicorns.................must be no QB interceptions, WR drops or wrong routes, DB and LB missed coverages, OL misteps, muffed punts, etc.
Do you really trust players, coaches and owners to give honest evaluations when they are not subject to fact checking by those not having skin in the game?
It's just the way things are now. The internet opened up so many ways to get news to the public. Teams don't have to deal with news papers, TV & radio being the only outlets anymore. Most of the power has shifted to the teams. If a news source wants access they have to pretty much play ball or be excluded. Hell most of the people involved in reporting from OTAa are on the Texans payroll.
I went back to an OTA thread from 2008. Most of the information then was from houstontexans.com. In fact, @Texans_Chick encouraged members to go to the team site rather than the Chronicle for the correct information.
Is Texans chick still reporting news somewhere? I miss all her stuff.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Has anyone noticed that we have gotten even less than previous years real-time reporting? In fact, we have receive no information that hasn't been thoroughly filtered...............nothing worthwhile for our own eyes to interpret.............except isolated short clips that are highly selectively plucked out. According to what we are almost made to believe then is that the Texans are having an offseason of only rainbows and unicorns.................must be no QB interceptions, WR drops or wrong routes, DB and LB missed coverages, OL misteps, muffed punts, etc.
Do you really trust players, coaches and owners to give honest evaluations when they are not subject to fact checking by those not having skin in the game?
I don’t trust anything said about player performances during OTAs or anything else around preseason.
We have to wait for the season to start and see what how the teams in actual games.
Right now it is just practice, glorified practice, scrimmages, and glorified scrimmages called preseason games.
And the Texans have always had control over the media. Not letting things leak out. Positive spin. With Caserio things are much more controlled.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
General question re Stroud - if he is in the top half of the QB's in his rookie season, would you be satisfied?
Me - yes.
Me - yes.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I'm 55 years old and I have never been more skeptical of people in general, but specifically in media. And for 30 years I was very isolated and cynical drunk.Has anyone noticed that we have gotten even less than previous years real-time reporting? In fact, we have receive no information that hasn't been thoroughly filtered...............nothing worthwhile for our own eyes to interpret.............except isolated short clips that are highly selectively plucked out. According to what we are almost made to believe then is that the Texans are having an offseason of only rainbows and unicorns.................must be no QB interceptions, WR drops or wrong routes, DB and LB missed coverages, OL misteps, muffed punts, etc.
Do you really trust players, coaches and owners to give honest evaluations when they are not subject to fact checking by those not having skin in the game?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Heck yeah
With his rookie season? Sure. Maybe. Most likely.
But I'm hoping he consistently ranks top 5 over his career
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If Stroud is a top 15 QB this year, then I'll be frigging amazed considering he's a rookie, with a rookie OC and a rookie HC.
I don't expect it though, but it would sure be nice to see the Texans actually get something right once in a while.
littlezoso
Practice Squad
This guy said a similar thing about Baker Mayfield having his best season when he shared a QB room with Keenum. Did n't see a direct quote though.
The Houston Texans' smartest offseason signing will shape Stroud’s career forever
The Houston Texans have a few noticeable changes in the quarterback room. Drafting Ohio State quarterback CJ Stroud number two overall a few weeks ago garnered
torotimes.com
Porky
Hall of Fame
Do we need a class on rookie QB’s and their struggles. Payton Manning is but one such example of many. I don’t care about his “rank” as a rookie per se. what I look for in a rookie is signs that he has the general skill set to be the man and can he make a play a fair amount of time when needed. In other words, does he look competent? Is he improving at recognition, and the mental part of the game? Do the things we saw in college like great accuracy carry over or do his mechanics go out of whack and he sails passes, etc. what about the leadership side? Various intangibles - do they start to show themselves? Does he make a mistake one week, and then show he can make the adjustment the next. Just lots of different things. But I couldn’t care less if the experts think he is 15th or 30th this season.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
And what are we talking about when we say a QB is ranked 15th? By what measure? Yards? Passer Rating? QBR?
Matt Jones finished about 15th in those categories his rookie year, and those are unusually high values for a rookie to achieve. Are we expecting less than a Justin Herbert OPOY rookie season where he finished 6th in yards (~4300) and like 12th in passer rating (98.3)? Last year, 15th in yards was ~3200 yards to Daniel Jones (Davis Mills was 16th in yards) and 15th in passer rating was Aaron Rodgers at 91.1 (behind Daniel Jones).
When I was looking at my own expectations, I realized I was wanting a completion percentage that would have been a record for a rookie over a season and enough yards to put him top 5 most seasons. That's when I decided to back off on my expectations.
Quoted for truthHas anyone noticed that we have gotten even less than previous years real-time reporting? In fact, we have receive no information that hasn't been thoroughly filtered...............nothing worthwhile for our own eyes to interpret.............except isolated short clips that are highly selectively plucked out. According to what we are almost made to believe then is that the Texans are having an offseason of only rainbows and unicorns.................must be no QB interceptions, WR drops or wrong routes, DB and LB missed coverages, OL misteps, muffed punts, etc.
Do you really trust players, coaches and owners to give honest evaluations when they are not subject to fact checking by those not having skin in the game?
Lowered expectations
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Not really concerned with ranks in a rookie season. I want to see progression throughout, learning from mistakes, learning to play the game, etc.
And rookie QBs typically don't win a lot of games their rookie season either. Sure there's the outliers, Big Ben 13-0 his rookie season, Dak 13-3, Wilson 11-5, but most are 6 wins or fewer. Herbert 6-9, Allen 5-6, Burrow 2-7-1, Lawrence 3-14, Cam 6-10, Peyton 3-13, Stafford 2-8, even Rodgers was 6-10 the 1st year he started (4th in the league).
So yeah, if Stroud ended up top half this season, you ******* take it all day every day, but I'm not setting the bar so high that if he's not top half or the Texans only win 6 games that it will be a disappointment and I'll fight the idiots on here that will say he's a bust. Rookies struggle much more often that not. Just show me improvement over the course of the season and that he's getting it.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It'll definitely be a learning curve so progression is desirable.
Lowered expectations.
Difference is this team has the talent to win in short order. The teams you listed and the QB's you listed did have near the talent around them that Stroud has around him. No excuses
Will it be the same exact offense without Shanahan?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Stroud needs to play better than Mills did in his second season. And capitalize on game winning drives that Mills failed at.
No excuses.
Same principles, look at LaFluer as what I expect the offense to look like. They have the same type talent Green Bay's offense has. Young QB's, really good RB's, WR's are comparable, the Texans should have the better OL. No excuses, with health and decent QB play this is a 10 win team. I think they win 6-7 games.
True, expectations should be that Stroud is as good or better than Purdy. After all, Slowik had a big hand in helping develop Purdy. Since Stroud supposedly is more talented than Purdy, expecting less is lowered expectations. Unfortunately if Stroud fails, it will be all Slowik's fault. Even though Slowik has proven he can develop QB's like Purdy. No excuses
Porky
Hall of Fame
Are you really going to compare SF and Hou situation with a straight face?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I never said Purdy. I said Mills’ 2nd season.
Purdy doesn’t even know if he can play like Purdy’s rookie season.
And to say that Slowik developed Purdy without any credit going to Shannahan is being willfully ignorant. You know better.
No excuses.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Proves Caserio can’t punch his way out of a wet paper bag without better leadership around him. See stick go fetch stick.
I’m sure there are some talented evaluators in Texans scouting department who don’t get near the recognition they deserve, how else did he wind up with Damion Pierce?
Everything changed when DeMeco wanted to be head coach. He/they couldn’t possibly screw that up? Now Texan fans will see some exciting football, more talented player pool, that is better schemed & coached.
Just logical assumptions given path traveled.
I know what you said, and since Stroud's more talented than Purdy, I expect a season like the season Purdy had. Actually, I think it's fair to compare Stroud and Love.
As far as Shanny goes, He calls the plays and helped work with Purdy. But Slowik worked with Purdy on a daily basis.
I think Stroud should be as good as Purdy. He's the better talent.
The OL's should be comparable. The RB's should be comparable, I dont think McCaffery can stay healthy all yr. TE's, Kittle is beeter than Schultz but by how much? WR's while the 49ers have much better WR's. If Collins can stay healthy he can have a Tee Higgins type season, that's comparable to Aiyuk. There's no Deebo on this team, but Woods isn't chopped liver. How do you feel about Dell/Metchie vs Jennings?
Stroud has weapons to work with. I want to see if he has a feel for the rush and can read defenses like Purdy does. With what's been put around Stroud, if he's what posters think he is, he should be a top 15-17 QB and this should equal up to 10 wins. If you truly believe in Stroud 10 wins with this schedule/coaching staff and offense should be expected.
Fans around here have been conditioned to have lowered expectations. All of this went out the window when Caserio used the Derrick trade to add Stroud/Anderson.
How does that prove Caserio's shortcomings? Or are you like TK that believe's that Caserio should overrule the owner?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Did you stub your toe on a chunk of gold while walking across the house to the bathroom today? 10 wins should not be expected. 10 wins is not reasonable. 10 wins is either the expectation of someone who has no finger on the pulse of the team, or a premeditated ceiling of someone who wants this team to miss.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Not at all
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
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Just to see what it would say I asked an AI this question "In the NFL what is the average increase in wins in a head coaches first year.". This is the answer it gave me.
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According to the search results, the average increase in wins for a team with a new head coach in the NFL varies depending on the source. Here are the findings:
The average team with a new head coach increases their win total by 1.3 wins
The cumulative average won-loss record for first-year head coaches since 2010 was 6-10
The average improvement by rookie head coaches over the last decade has been 1.71 wins per season
The combined record of 84 first-year head coaches from 2000 to 2020 was 596-746-2, which is a .443 winning percentage (or just about 7 wins)
It is important to note that these averages are not definitive and can vary depending on the team, the coach, and other factors. Additionally, some sources may be referring to all first-year head coaches, while others may be referring specifically to rookie head coaches with no previous NFL head coaching experience.
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I can't vouch for the answer but it seems about right. Make of it what you will.
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According to the search results, the average increase in wins for a team with a new head coach in the NFL varies depending on the source. Here are the findings:
The average team with a new head coach increases their win total by 1.3 wins
The cumulative average won-loss record for first-year head coaches since 2010 was 6-10
The average improvement by rookie head coaches over the last decade has been 1.71 wins per season
The combined record of 84 first-year head coaches from 2000 to 2020 was 596-746-2, which is a .443 winning percentage (or just about 7 wins)
It is important to note that these averages are not definitive and can vary depending on the team, the coach, and other factors. Additionally, some sources may be referring to all first-year head coaches, while others may be referring specifically to rookie head coaches with no previous NFL head coaching experience.
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I can't vouch for the answer but it seems about right. Make of it what you will.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
He’s BAD at it. Is that clear?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
On paper.
I want to see Pierce get 4 yards untouched with consistency & the defense to stop giving up record rushing yards before I concede that "talent" on this team.
I agree, Slowick's fault. No excuses.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
This is why he traded a kings ransom for Will Anderson Jr. A sure thing. He figures a bird in the hand is worth 3 in the bush (when you’re not a confident evaluator of talent). There are numerous examples of him trading away plus value to acquire who he considers, premium talent.
He should have been out the door with Easterby and GM of DeMecos choosing brought in his place. That is my platform just as SteelbTexan believes Mulagheta brings Texans down just like he did with Watson. I don’t agree with that, you don’t agree with mine so what? It’s an open forum to discuss all things Texans everybody has ass/opinions.
Big supporter of Stroud and DeMeco that’s what matters most to me not your acknowledgment that Caserio is a fish out of water.