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CJ Stroud year 2
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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I don't know, I thought he had a very good draft in 2022 I know that draft isn't what you or I would've done, but I still think it was a real good draft Especially since he had to work with Lovie.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It’s funny how logic escapes some.
His first draft with 1st round picks are with Lovie. That draft was really good outside of the first round. Point to Lovie being the culprit people say that’s still Caserio’s fault.
Flash forward to 2023 and he has a really good 1st and the rest of the draft was really good too.
Now it’s Demeco who gets credit.
Agendas. Agendas everywhere.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Caserio had two, count them two, drafts before DeMeco was hired. If I remember correctly, you were a huge fan of Lopez, steal if the draft, where is he now?
Nothing but placeholders from 2021 Class.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
That was my statement and quote me on it all day. Anybody who wears ski vests in Houston is a ******* fish out of water, unless your into hunting game maybe
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Well we had a great draft...... can you people just chill
Nope, I would hope that he wouldn't have drafted Stroud.You think, Caserio would have drafted Stroud, then traded back up for Anderson
Potentially 2 in a row.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
That was my statement and quote me on it all day. Anybody who wears ski vests in Houston is a ******* fish out of water, unless your into hunting game maybe
Are you judging his ability as a gm on his tastes in fashion? Dude can wear pasties on his chest and nose rings all day if it gets us a superbowl.
Without a 1st or 2nd rd pick, he took a chance on Mills and found Collins who is a starter in the 3rd rd. The rest of the draft he found solid rotational guys like Lopez, Wallow and ST's guys and n the rest of his 1st draft
2nd draft he had a really good draft. If the 1st rd guys live up to their billing and stay healthy then that's a great draft. I think Harris is going to make a big jump this yr. I know they screwed up the Sauce pick. But if he can stay healthy Stingley should be a really good corner too. I also think a healthy Green will be a solid LG. JMO., BTW, I would have picked Sauce or Neal. Then taken Dais at 1-14. Followed buy Sam Williams at 2-35.
Although I would have done things much differently in the last draft. Caserio made the best of a bad situation since a QB pick at 1-2'was mandated by meddlesome ownership. I would have drafted Washington to pair with Schultz and develop an identity. They chose to go with Dell. Best value pick for me was Patterson. I easily could see him starting at 1 of IOL spots in the second half of the season. The ol should not only be better with better health. They finally have some decent depth for the 1st time in a long time. I also believe that the ol coach is the best since Gibbs. That's a recipe for success.
Excuses.
Overall I'm not upset with his selections.
I looked forward to his style of moving around in the draft to get the players he wants. But in NE he always had an eye to the future picking up future picks.
Here he seems to always move up, spending future picks. I hope that's a reflection of the sad state we were in. If he's here for the next draft I hope to see more trading down & acquiring future picks.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Well I hope Alex Smith is wrong about defensive minded HCs being detrimental to QB development. You can easily swap Robert Saleh’s name for DeMeco in this example:
“"Yeah, Robert Saleh, you're a great defensive mind and coordinator, but, like, you have no idea how to develop a quarterback. The coordinator you hired (Mike LaFleur) never called plays," Smith said. "So that's a completely different animal. And as much as you think you're prepared to handle that development of a young kid, you're just not."”
Which of the three P’s do the Texans have covered this season? Protection for sure. Playmakers and play caller TBD:
“Smith's comments struck a chord with me. On the Move The Sticks Podcast, Daniel Jeremiah and I routinely discuss the importance of "The Three Ps" when developing young quarterbacks: play-caller, protection and playmakers. The Jets failed in all three areas during Wilson's rookie year, and while they upgraded the playmakers in Year 2, the other two Ps remained lacking. And Wilson's failure (thus far) has provided the football world with another example furthering this broader narrative around defensive-minded head coaches.”
“"Yeah, Robert Saleh, you're a great defensive mind and coordinator, but, like, you have no idea how to develop a quarterback. The coordinator you hired (Mike LaFleur) never called plays," Smith said. "So that's a completely different animal. And as much as you think you're prepared to handle that development of a young kid, you're just not."”
Which of the three P’s do the Texans have covered this season? Protection for sure. Playmakers and play caller TBD:
“Smith's comments struck a chord with me. On the Move The Sticks Podcast, Daniel Jeremiah and I routinely discuss the importance of "The Three Ps" when developing young quarterbacks: play-caller, protection and playmakers. The Jets failed in all three areas during Wilson's rookie year, and while they upgraded the playmakers in Year 2, the other two Ps remained lacking. And Wilson's failure (thus far) has provided the football world with another example furthering this broader narrative around defensive-minded head coaches.”
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Some of us saw it differently.
If you don't see the excuses he was making, you need to read his post more thoroughly.
...
An example:
"Taking a chance on Mills".
Taking a chance is an excuse.
To him (steelb), winning 10 games should be the norm for Stroud.
No excuse, steelb said.
Well, there's no excuse for NC not to get a bona-fide starter (at any position).
Taking a flyer/a chance on a guy like Mills is an excuse.
....
And that was not the only excuse he made for NC in that post.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You thinking that Caserio can get a starter at any position at any draft selection is crazy. And trying to rationalize it as the same SteelB’s statements is childish and dumb.
I am not calling you crazy, dumb or childish just what you are saying.
I have to remind myself that steel lives rent free in your head.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Here we go again. Smh
I like the aggressiveness, however he did trade a 4th for a 2024 3rd. so he did what you wanted. For me it's quality over quantity. I wish Caserio would've just drafted Anderson and held on to the picks in the deeper/better IMHO 2024 draft. But that's not what the meddlesome McNair's wanted and the rest is history.
Decim8
Veteran
I honestly don’t understand how we should expect to win 10 games this year. There’s just too many “unknowns” for me - new coaching staff, new system, new QB etc. The team has improved only on paper until they play a game
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
10 wins is just the lofty total that (he who shall not be named) decided on. This way, when the Texans fall short of that win total (he who shall not be named) can say "I told you so, no excuses!" in all the thread topics and proceed to bash on ownership and fans that are neutral to positive on the direction of this team.
Have you looked at the schedule and the talent that has been added particularly on defense? If Stroud plays like Purdy did last yr then 10 wins should be expected not looked at as some great achievement. Fans have been conditioned to have lowered expectations when it comes to the Kirby crew. I can see you're one of the fans the McNair's can count on to drink the kool aid and still not expect much out of the team. Expectations should've changed when the Derrick draft picks were spent on Stroud/Anderson last draft. Injury could change the win total, but the talent is there. This isn't about me being right, this is about the Texans org being right, even if they dont really care about the product on the field. (McNair's)
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
Not at all, I liked the Mills/Collins/Jordan draft. The rest of the guys were rotational/ST's guys. I did like the Lopez pick because to get a contributor that's played as many downs as Lopez has in the 6th rd is a win. IMHO Did I ever think he was going to be an all pro? Nope.
Decim8
Veteran
Different situations though. The 49ers > Texans by a long way until proven otherwise
FOS post of the day.
Just because I'm not buying what the McNair's are selling and I think Stroud's dumb/never going to win a championship, doesn't make me childish and certainly not dumb. Just a difference in opinions.
They wont be as good as the 49ers, but the OL should be very solid (Stroud should be well protected) and the defense should be a top 15 defense. With Pierce/Schultz Stroud has weapons to work with. The WR's while not top 15 are solid and a much better group than what they had last yr. With the weak schedule 10 wins should be expected.
You know that coaching will play a huge part in that and the playcalling is a complete unknown at this point. At least you knew this a couple weeks ago
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
My comment was directed at 76 and not you.
I actually believe you when you say you want the Texans to win. But I roll my eyes and ignore the Stroud/S2/meddling ownership stuff. Not that you should care what I think.
I am just ready to move on.
Decim8
Veteran
You're not the fisherman in that picture.I love fishing….
No excuse.
I was responding to steelb.
You need not get into the middle.
You don't want me to live rent free in your head, now, do you?
FOS post of the day.That's Steelb for you.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Hey add in: to place blame solely on CJ. Lol
No blame on Stroud, not his fault he was picked #2 overall.
Quoted for truth
This will totally be on the McNair's, although they will deflect and fire Slowik/Johnson as scapegoats to deflect from their meddling.
This is the best list I could come up with of !st year HCs to win 10 or more games since 2000. There are probably others I did not find but it is not common at all. These are HCs in the first year of being promoted to HC not HCs moving from one team to another (ex. Parcells who was 10-6 in 2003 with the Cowboys in his first year.).
2018 - Matt Nagy Bears 12-4
2017 - Sean McVay Rams 11-5
2008 - John Harbaugh Ravens 11-5
2018 - Frank Reich Colts 10-6
2006 - Sean Payton Saints 10-6
2016 - Adam Gase Dolphins 10-6
2007 - Mike Tomlin Stealers 10-6
2013 - Bruce Arians Cardinals 10-6 *
* Don't if Arians fully qualifies as a first year HC at the Cardinals since he was acting HC for weeks 5 through 16 in 2012 with the Colts while Chuck Pagano was being treated for cancer. But Arians led the Colts to a 9–3 record & if he had coached all year he would have probably won at least 10 games.
2018 - Matt Nagy Bears 12-4
2017 - Sean McVay Rams 11-5
2008 - John Harbaugh Ravens 11-5
2018 - Frank Reich Colts 10-6
2006 - Sean Payton Saints 10-6
2016 - Adam Gase Dolphins 10-6
2007 - Mike Tomlin Stealers 10-6
2013 - Bruce Arians Cardinals 10-6 *
* Don't if Arians fully qualifies as a first year HC at the Cardinals since he was acting HC for weeks 5 through 16 in 2012 with the Colts while Chuck Pagano was being treated for cancer. But Arians led the Colts to a 9–3 record & if he had coached all year he would have probably won at least 10 games.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I know but a select few will place blame. History speaks for itself, so they say.
Mr.Scarface
Rookie
I don't see CJ' mom all over Twitter trying to boost her "cougar cred" nor do I see CJ chasing cougars (friend's mom). That is a plus right there.
Zach Wilson was overdrafted based on 1 good season and a great combine workout. His tape was against mediocre competition. You could see bust all over him.
I seriously doubt McNair slapped them with a mandate & a demand to win 10 games.
Well, by giving away their pick they should at least expect to do better than the Browns, so maybe you’re right.
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That was not your stance when the subject was first brought up though was it? What changed? From maybe 6 wins to 10?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I still don't know that he's a bust. He's got talent and being around, working with Rodgers on a daily basis will give him a better than avg chance to have success. The jury is still out. IMHO
To be clear the blame falls strictly on the McNair's.
Exactly from where are you pulling they should win 10 games? Besides you. Is anyone on the planet predicting the Texans can win 10 games?
Looking at the schedule, pick out the 10 games they should win.