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Christian Hackenberg

Mollywhopper said:
Have you watched him play?
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Texian said:
I've done exactly that and I see a guy who holds the ball far to long and is slow to process information. When pressured his accuracy suffers greatly and becomes mistake prone.
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Opposing defenses overwhelmed the PSU OL all season long. It is difficult for any QB to progress through reads when the DL rush gets to you in 2 seconds (even with three-man fronts). Difficult to complete passes when defensive lineman are in your wheel-house and your receivers have not made their breaks yet. Hackenburg's main problem is that his arm strength gets the best of him sometimes. He has a tendency to dial-up fastballs to his receivers on short routes. Hackenburg has as much talent as any QB in the draft. His arm strength is the best of any college QB in this draft and would be one the best in the NFL.
 
TexansThunder said:
Opposing defenses overwhelmed the PSU OL all season long. It is difficult for any QB to progress through reads when the DL rush gets to you in 2 seconds (even with three-man fronts). Difficult to complete passes when defensive lineman are in your wheel-house and your receivers have not made their breaks yet. Hackenburg's main problem is that his arm strength gets the best of him sometimes. He has a tendency to dial-up fastballs to his receivers on short routes. Hackenburg has as much talent as any QB in the draft. His arm strength is the best of any college QB in this draft and would be one the best in the NFL.
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Hack also takes a lot of 4 sec+ sacks too.
 
TexansThunder said:
Opposing defenses overwhelmed the PSU OL all season long. It is difficult for any QB to progress through reads when the DL rush gets to you in 2 seconds (even with three-man fronts). Difficult to complete passes when defensive lineman are in your wheel-house and your receivers have not made their breaks yet. Hackenburg's main problem is that his arm strength gets the best of him sometimes. He has a tendency to dial-up fastballs to his receivers on short routes. Hackenburg has as much talent as any QB in the draft. His arm strength is the best of any college QB in this draft and would be one the best in the NFL.
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No one's questioned that the talent around him has been down. The problem is when things were looking clean he would sail throws. When he did have time he'd hold onto the ball into trouble. He looked shellshocked often.
 
Texian said:
I have watched studied a dozen Hack games, how many do you have to watch before you can make an informed decision?
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I would say that is enough to make a decision on his ability, but to say "he takes a lot of 4 sec+ sacks", without providing evidence or stats is pretty general. I could say he takes more sacks on days he gets less then 6.35 hours of sleep, but without proof whats it worth?

I promise, I really want to be your friend when this is all over.
 
amazing80 said:
I would say that is enough to make a decision on his ability, but to say "he takes a lot of 4 sec+ sacks", without providing evidence or stats is pretty general. I could say he takes more sacks on days he gets less then 6.35 hours of sleep, but without proof whats it worth?

I promise, I really want to be your friend when this is all over.
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Right now you're just a headache
 
Texian said:
Right now you're just a headache
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You're no fun

Regardless, I think Hack has plenty of ability and with proper coaching and structure he will be good. He looks great one game and poor the next. To me that is a huge indictment on his surrounding team, Hack didn't simply forgot how to be accurate or how to go through reads. A lot of those 4 sec sacks have to do with guys not being open. Sure, he could throw it away and that is something that is a negative, forcing it when nothing is there, but that can be fixed.

Either way, I think Hack would be good coming to OB. He isn't my first choice, but I would prefer him over Coker, Cook and Wentz.
 
Starting to get into prospect watching mode...

Just finished watching Hack against temple...

He looked awful.

Missed a lot of open guys. Didn't handle pressure well. Erratic with his throws. Some bad reads. Locked on to guys. Didn't look like he read the defense well and appeared to be late with many throws. Looked like they were playing 11 against 22.

Now all that can't be on Hack but he himself looked pretty awful.

Will watch more of him but initial inpression is that he's not very good.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Starting to get into prospect watching mode...

Just finished watching Hack against temple...

He looked awful.

Missed a lot of open guys. Didn't handle pressure well. Erratic with his throws. Some bad reads. Locked on to guys. Didn't look like he read the defense well and appeared to be late with many throws. Looked like they were playing 11 against 22.

Now all that can't be on Hack but he himself looked pretty awful.

Will watch more of him but initial inpression is that he's not very good.
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Temple game was the begining of Hack taking a beating. It made him gun shy. He looked nothing like that as a freshman. I've never seen a QB regress like Hack. Hack has the tools to be a top tier NFL QB but he appears to be damaged goods.
 
I just watched the 7 minute hackenberg YouTube 2015 game with temple. I assume y'all are talking about that one, what was it 10 sacks. I don't know, that o-line was just horrible. It's hard to evaluate a QB in that environment. I must agree he definitely stared down primary receiver. I wouldn't call him shell shocked though, frustrated yes.

 
pirbroke said:
I just watched the 7 minute hackenberg YouTube 2015 game with temple. I assume y'all are talking about that one, what was it 10 sacks. I don't know, that o-line was just horrible. It's hard to evaluate a QB in that environment. I must agree he definitely stared down primary receiver. I wouldn't call him shell shocked though, frustrated yes.

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The line definitely had trouble. Looks like the defense was better coached & that #35 was just way too athletic for any of Penn State's OL. Penn State's coach also didn't believe in helping the OL either. Or Hack failed to call for extra protect. TEs & RBs were running in patterns in obvious blitzing situations.

Still, there were several throws where he wasn't sacked that could've been better. Could have changed the game. Hackenberg beat Temple's blitz once with a big throw. Once. They may have ran stunts & gains, but they were pretty honest about showing the blitz.
 
pirbroke said:
I just watched the 7 minute hackenberg YouTube 2015 game with temple. I assume y'all are talking about that one, what was it 10 sacks. I don't know, that o-line was just horrible. It's hard to evaluate a QB in that environment. I must agree he definitely stared down primary receiver. I wouldn't call him shell shocked though, frustrated yes.

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Some of those sacks he held the ball for maybe 3 or 4 seconds before getting taken down.

Oline wasn't great, but when looking at hack himself he didn't appear to get the ball out quickly and accurately when he got pressure.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Some of those sacks he held the ball for maybe 3 or 4 seconds before getting taken down.

Oline wasn't great, but when looking at hack himself he didn't appear to get the ball out quickly and accurately when he got pressure.
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To me he started out fine, as the game wears on they keep getting into third and long and the pressure gets overwhelming. The more he got sacked the worse his mechanics got. He started failing to step into throws and his accuracy suffered
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Some of those sacks he held the ball for maybe 3 or 4 seconds before getting taken down.

Oline wasn't great, but when looking at hack himself he didn't appear to get the ball out quickly and accurately when he got pressure.
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That's teachable tho isn't it? Fitz seemed to learn after being benched last year
 
pirbroke said:
I just watched the 7 minute hackenberg YouTube 2015 game with temple. I assume y'all are talking about that one, what was it 10 sacks. I don't know, that o-line was just horrible. It's hard to evaluate a QB in that environment. I must agree he definitely stared down primary receiver. I wouldn't call him shell shocked though, frustrated yes.

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Yep, and when he tries to speed up the decision making process the results were not very good.
 
I personally don't see Obrien taking Hackenburg high. I can see a situation similar to RG3 where they draft say, Wentz high than scoop up Hack in the 4-5 rounds. I'll be shocked if Hack goes before the 4th round
 
Ok 2014 game against temple the line plays a little better, ( not much ). I thought hack was worse than last year. Some bonehead plays where he takes some sacks instead of throw away, and wasn't accurate at all in first half. Played much better in second half. Overall so far i am kinda liking him though. If he misses deep it's usually overthrown, that may correct itself with nfl speed receivers. I don't think he should be first round yet and he should probably sit his first year in nfl.
 
Connor Cook at pick #22 in the first round.
And Christian Hackenberg in the 5th or 6th round.

I'd be okay with that. And then sign RG3 or Manziel in free agency.
Three new quarterbacks brought in. That would be ideal to me.

We will probably keep Tom Savage though since he's only entering his third year and is still under his fourth-round rookie contract but you never know. We cut Louis Nix III last training camp despite being a third-round pick in that same draft.

I'd part ways with Hoyer and fan-favorite T.J. Yates. We can re-sign him later if we need an emergency starter. I thought Brandon Weeden did a good job in limited time. I would almost rather keep him out of everybody.

I'm okay bringing in as many as three new quarterbacks.
At least two though. Whoever they may be. I'm open to all options.

But for the most part, what we have right now isn't good enough so we need major change at the quarterback position. And when it's major change that you need it doesn't hurt to just reshuffle the entire deck of cards.
 
Texian said:
Hey, I'm the guy who started this thread, I'm the guy who has created most of the discussion on this thread, I'm the guy who posted the Good, the Bad and the Ugly about Hack on this thread, I'm the guy who posted 19 Hack videos for your perusal in post #89 and the you're the guy who brought the WHINE! Talk about having FUN???
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you posted a link to a website who linked back to youtube. Relax.

We can have different opinions on a player. It is a forum for discussion. I am just saying that its not like you are batting 100 with QB evaluations, nor am I, I actually hated Blake Bortles and thought he would be bad, could still be bad, but he looks decent so far.

Hack is a very unique player in a bad situation. I think he should have transferred but he didn't and now he has to pay the price for looking pedestrian over the past 2 seasons. That doesn't negate the physical tools he has nor does it eliminate all the times he has shown the ability to read defenses and make great throws. Time will tell what becomes of him.
 
Texian said:
Hey, I'm the guy who started this thread, I'm the guy who has created most of the discussion on this thread, I'm the guy who posted the Good, the Bad and the Ugly about Hack on this thread, I'm the guy who posted 19 Hack videos for your perusal in post #89 and the you're the guy who brought the WHINE! Talk about having FUN???
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Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...
 
infantrycak said:
Would this guy be getting any play around here but for the OB connection?
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Regardless of what we think, he is a top 10 QB in this draft and we are in desperate need for a QB, so yes, like all the other QBs we are discussing, he would remain in our view.
 
infantrycak said:
Would this guy be getting any play around here but for the OB connection?
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Isn't that kind of like asking if anybody around here would be talking about Brian Hoyer if he played for another team?

The OB connection with Hackenberg is real, and while in actuality, it may or may not end up impacting the Texans draft, there's media on both the local and national level who are giving it some credence. Even if it's nothing but pure speculation, how can you fault anyone for that speculation given what's gone on with both Mallett and Hoyer?
 
infantrycak said:
I actually don't fault some interest but this grade inflation that somehow just off OBs interest he might go top half of the 1st. That kind of thing. Dude looks like a 3rd rounder to me.
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I think the OB connection is the driver to this amount of discussion. Still, he was the top recruit out of high school, I believe, and had a good freshman campaign. After OB left, he was stuck with a less than stellar team and coaching staff. If he's not been ruined, he has potential. The real question when it comes to Hackenberg is whether or not he is ruined. We've all seen what can happen to a QB that's put in a bad situation for too long. I'm interested in Hackenberg, but I admit that I would be skeptical if he was our only big QB acquisition this off-season. However, if we draft two quarterbacks, which I think would be smart, I like him as a backup choice. Think Kirk Cousins/RG3.
 
I didn't like the talk about Hakenberg when it started two years ago. Just because he was connectedto O'b.

I didn't see anything from his Freshman season & his sophomore season was pretty underwhelming.

I'm looking at stuff from his Junior season & I like him better now than I did last season. It's possible he may go in the first round, but with QBs I don't think it has much to do with their talent level, but more about demand.

One year Tanehil & Weeden go in the first, another year Dalton & Mallett don't. It just doesn't make sense all the time.

I remember how the draft machine was talking up Geno Smith & it was presumed the Jets were going to take him in the first round. I thought the Jets finally turned the corner when they passed on him in the first & still got him in the 2nd.

I'm just ramvling, but I'm starting to like Hackenberg which means he's probably a 5th rounder.
 
infantrycak said:
You say top 10 QB like it's a good thing. That's a 5th round to undrafted guy. Last year only 7 were drafted. The average is 11 QBs drafted each year over the last decade.
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I just threw out a number, most draftniks have him in the top 5, my point was merely to point out we are in desperate need of a QB and we are discussing every potential QB, the fact he has a past with OB is a potential perk for him. Not quite sure why discussing his potential on a discussion board is an issue with you?
 
amazing80 said:
I just threw out a number, most draftniks have him in the top 5, my point was merely to point out we are in desperate need of a QB and we are discussing every potential QB, the fact he has a past with OB is a potential perk for him.
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That Hackenberg has sucked horribly should be a potential negative. And don't you think that O'Brien should re-access his preference for players he has previously coached? It hasn't worked thus far. Maybe getting someone new and taking a fresh approach is the way to go?
 
Lucky said:
That Hackenberg has sucked horribly should be a potential negative. And don't you think that O'Brien should re-access his preference for players he has previously coached? It hasn't worked thus far. Maybe getting someone new and taking a fresh approach is the way to go?
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Or maybe he should let go a little. Let Godsey pick a guy he can mold.

I don't know what qualifications Godsey has (other than he was a QB in college & it's his job) to make him the right man for the job, but if O'b is going to play head coach & let his coaches coach...

In addition to the fact that O'brien's picks hadn't done so well.
 
Lucky said:
That Hackenberg has sucked horribly should be a potential negative. And don't you think that O'Brien should re-access his preference for players he has previously coached? It hasn't worked thus far. Maybe getting someone new and taking a fresh approach is the way to go?
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Let me be clear, I am not saying that OB sticking to "his guys" is the right choice, I am simply saying that has been his MO, so having a lengthy discussion of the guy OB hand picked for Penn State only seems fair. Regardless of how you feel about Hack as a QB, he still deserves discussion based on his history with our head coach.
 
amazing80 said:
Let me be clear, I am not saying that OB sticking to "his guys" is the right choice, I am simply saying that has been his MO, so having a lengthy discussion of the guy OB hand picked for Penn State only seems fair. Regardless of how you feel about Hack as a QB, he still deserves discussion based on his history with our head coach.
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Deservedly or not, he has a 20 page (and counting) thread. So, yeah.

O'Brien is still the coach and should be able to coach the guys he wants. It's his grave he's digging with this modus operandi.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Hackenberg in the 1st would be a disaster, I was thinking more 3rd or 4th round, after we had already taken another QB earlier in the draft.
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I disagree that it would be a disaster. I think waiting until the 3rd or 4th to try and get him would be the disaster as Christian will not be available IMO. And who is this QB that you have drafted earlier?
 
Blake said:
I disagree that it would be a disaster. I think waiting until the 3rd or 4th to try and get him would be the disaster as Christian will not be available IMO. And who is this QB that you have drafted earlier?
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I wouldn't take him in the 1st round, probably not even the second. I don't do interviews though and I am sure the interview is a big part of finding the right QB for your team. Hackenburg is broken right now, he needs to break old habits and learn new habits under new coaching. He's far from a start now guy, which pushes him even further down, further than his tape already does.

There are several QBs that are rated in the 1st or 2nd round. Goff will be out of reach, but Lynch, Wentz, and Cook would all be attainable. You might have to trade up for Lynch of Wentz, but they are still attainable.
 
lol, what is going on here? Take Hack as a backup in the 4th or 5th round?

lol, I respect all you guys, but these are dream world discussions right here. 4th or 5th round? Maybe if he's shot in both his legs before the draft, but if he's healthy no chance IMO.

He's already being rated as a 2nd - 3rd rounder by most of the draft places I read up on and after just seeing his size, strength, and ability (even in flashes) you know this guy is gonna rock out in a T-shirt and shorts. Guys with tools that struggle in games NEVER fade or fall at the combine, they near always become those huge risers and you start hearing the "Well, this can be fixed..." arguments about.

Buy your Hackenberg jerseys now boys and just accept this ride we are about to go on. It's gonna be for 4 years, fingers crossed we make it out and NOT hate this franchise.
 
aussie_texan said:
late 2nd? thoughts??
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Of course I would be down with that. I just would hate to lose him by waiting around too long. I see him sitting and learning for a year, so a 1 year solution will be needed.

TexansSeminole said:
I wouldn't take him in the 1st round, probably not even the second. I don't do interviews though and I am sure the interview is a big part of finding the right QB for your team. Hackenburg is broken right now, he needs to break old habits and learn new habits under new coaching. He's far from a start now guy, which pushes him even further down, further than his tape already does.

There are several QBs that are rated in the 1st or 2nd round. Goff will be out of reach, but Lynch, Wentz, and Cook would all be attainable. You might have to trade up for Lynch of Wentz, but they are still attainable.
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Personally I think Cook is in the same boat as Hackenberg. Boat loads of potential, but really didn't get it done this past year. But somehow to you and others Cook is rated that much higher? I think Cook needs to marinate on the bench for a year as well.

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