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Christian Hackenberg

So about Hackenberg, everyone seemed pretty high on him after his freshman season. What happened? Did the new coach destroy him or did he regress to awful? Does he no longer have the tools or is he just not smart enough? I haven't been able to watch any of his games but seems like everyone has done a complete 180 on him since this thread started
 
thunderkyss said:
Yates?
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Hack in Franklin's offense with that line reminds me of Tom Savage.

Savage held the ball too long behind an iffy offensive line, has a big arm. Both take big hits because of it.

Question on both is processing speed.

I was kicking around comparables and thought Tom kinda fit.
 
Playoffs said:
Hack in Franklin's offense with that line reminds me of Tom Savage.

Savage held the ball too long behind an iffy offensive line, has a big arm. Both take big hits because of it.

Question on both is processing speed.

I was kicking around comparables and thought Tom kinda fit.
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Tom Savage - So after two years as either a backup or on IR, has the game slowed down enough for him for us to get an idea of whether processing speed is a fundamental flaw or a hurdle that can be overcome?

I'm hoping he will have that Fitz moment when he recognized the benefits of quick decisions while watching Mallett from the bench for a game. His processing speeded up almost instantaneously after that. Unfortunately, he still had enough other flaws sufficient to buy another lottery ticket.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Would anyone be opposed to this dude in second Rd if available
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honestly, not sure if he is a better prospect at the moment than savage coming out. Hackenberg is a Big guy with a strong arm that has decreased his completion percentage the more he has played. Hackenberg needs to go back to school and actually play better than he did as a Freshman.
 
I see Hackenberg as a guy who is in the wrong offense and is gutting it out . Franklin is probably recruiting for life after Hack and not for an offense Hackenberg fits in . I give him credit for sticking it out instead of leaving cause it's not going your way .

What would he be like if he transferred to Alabama , Georgia or FSU ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I see Hackenberg as a guy who is in the wrong offense and is gutting it out . Franklin is probably recruiting for life after Hack and not for an offense Hackenberg fits in . I give him credit for sticking it out instead of leaving cause it's not going your way .

What would he be like if he transferred to Alabama , Georgia or FSU ?
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He would be an overrated big kid with a strong arm and too low a completion percentage. there is nothing wrong with the scheme nor talent around Hackenberg.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
He would be an overrated big kid with a strong arm and too low a completion percentage. there is nothing wrong with the scheme nor talent around Hackenberg.
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Agree with your first sentence. The second sentence is wrong though. I have huge issues with the way the offense at Penn St is being run, and there is a noticeable lack of talent on the OL and at WR.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
He would be an overrated big kid with a strong arm and too low a completion percentage. there is nothing wrong with the scheme nor talent around Hackenberg.
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He is like Ohio State trying to fit Cardale Jones in their system . Barrett is the much better fit than Jones because he's a spread QB . Hackenberg needs to be in a pro style offense behind an OL that can block . So my opinion is he gets props for sticking with it when most would leave .
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
don't like that at all for the kid
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steelbtexan said:
Down goes Hackenberg

Right shoulder injury.
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I would say the way he fell, he has probably sustained an A/C ligament sprain (shoulder separation). He was not hanging or holding his arm, therefore, I would not outright suspect rotator cuff or labral tear or a severe A/C sprain. He had a similar injury in 2013 when with BOB......came back quickly from the injury to play in a game ~2 weeks later without significant performance ill effects. It is likely that it is Grade I and he should be unaffected by the time the Combine comes around. We'll see.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I would say the way he fell, he has probably sustained an A/C ligament sprain (shoulder separation). He was not hanging or holding his arm, therefore, I would not outright suspect rotator cuff or labral tear or a severe A/C sprain. He had a similar injury in 2013 when with BOB......came back quickly from the injury to play in a game ~2 weeks later without significant performance ill effects. It is likely that it is Grade I and he should be unaffected by the time the Combine comes around. We'll see.
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Off subject a bit but what about Jaylon Smith ? Did you see his injury ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Off subject a bit but what about Jaylon Smith ? Did you see his injury ?
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I suspect that he will be dealing with several torn knee ligaments (probably 3), along with significant cartilage damage, that will require surgery to recreate stability to the joint.......if so, this is one of those injuries that will be very difficult to come back from, especially for a linebacker.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I suspect that he will be dealing with several torn knee ligaments (probably 3) that will require surgery to recreate stability to the joint.......if so, this is one of those injuries that will be very difficult to come back from, especially for a linebacker.
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Thanks ... that stinks for him .
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Would anyone be opposed to this dude in second Rd if available
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Not after today. He moved up my board after watching numerous good throws fall incomplete due to receivers. He is not a good scrambler, but given time, he makes good throws. I'd actually prefer to see if we could move up in the third rather than use the second though.
 
The more I study up on Hack the more I like him as a pro. He has a strong arm, progresses through his reads nicely, mostly accurate and sneaky athletic. I think the lack of talent around him hurts, the offensive scheme hurts him, but given all that, I think he will be a very good pro. I think he has a higher ceiling with a low risk of bust. I think he would be able to come in and compete to start immediately, especially if the system is BoBs. I won't mind if we pick him in the 20s. I suspect his pro day and combine will improve his stock to first rounder.
 
amazing80 said:
The more I study up on Hack the more I like him as a pro. He has a strong arm, progresses through his reads nicely, mostly accurate and sneaky athletic. I think the lack of talent around him hurts, the offensive scheme hurts him, but given all that, I think he will be a very good pro. I think he has a higher ceiling with a low risk of bust. I think he would be able to come in and compete to start immediately, especially if the system is BoBs. I won't mind if we pick him in the 20s. I suspect his pro day and combine will improve his stock to first rounder.
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Have you watched him play?
 
With the 22nd pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, The Houston Texans select; Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn St. - So Texans fans you've that to look forward to.

(This is not an endorsement by me, to the contrary)
 
amazing80 said:
Yea I have. Multiple times. Have you?
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Why yes, that's why I wasn't sure how you got things like "mostly accurate" and "progresses through his reads nicely" and "has a higher ceiling with a low risk of bust" and "come in and compete to start immediately".

Those things have been quite literally the opposite of what I've personally seen of the guy play so far, but ok.
 
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Why yes, that's why I wasn't sure how you got things like "mostly accurate" and "progresses through his reads nicely" and "has a higher ceiling with a low risk of bust" and "come in and compete to start immediately".

Those things have been quite literally the opposite of what I've personally seen of the guy play so far, but ok.
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Well not really sure what you are watching.

Go watch some tape on him and be unbiased and you will see a QB on a bad team who does lots of positive things.
 
amazing80 said:
Well not really sure what you are watching.

Go watch some tape on him and be unbiased and you will see a QB on a bad team who does lots of positive things.
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I've done exactly that and I see a guy who holds the ball far to long and is slow to process information. When pressured his accuracy suffers greatly and becomes mistake prone.
 
Texian said:
I've done exactly that and I see a guy who holds the ball far to long and is slow to process information. When pressured his accuracy suffers greatly and becomes mistake prone.
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Says the guy who advocated for Tahj Boyd in the 2nd round, I will avoid your QB evaluations.
 
amazing80 said:
Says the guy who advocated for Tahj Boyd in the 2nd round, I will avoid your QB evaluations.
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Guilty, I think that was not long after Tajh and Nuke had beaten LSU in the Peach Bowl. Early in the process Tajh may have been on my board but by year's end he was no where to be found but Hey don't let that stop you, you're on a roll.......I also did the same with Trevone Boykin after his BIG Peach bowl game and going 12-1, I soon came to my senses and quickly recanted my foolishness before the 2015 season started but don't let that stop you from saying I was an advocate for Trevone Boykin.
 
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Texian said:
Guilty, I think that was not long after Tajh and Nuke had beaten LSU in the Peach Bowl. Early in the process Tajh may have been on my board but by year's end he was no where to be found but Hey don't let that stop you, you're on a roll.......
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Im just saying, you clearly don't have an eye for evaluating talent. So you're "observations" are meaningless.
 
Texian said:
Guilty, I think that was not long after Tajh and Nuke had beaten LSU in the Peach Bowl. Early in the process Tajh may have been on my board but by year's end he was no where to be found but Hey don't let that stop you, you're on a roll.......I also did the same with Trevone Boykin after his BIG Peach bowl game and going 12-1, I soon came to my senses and quickly recanted my foolishness before the 2015 season started but don't let that stop you from saying I was an advocate for Trevone Boykin.
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I think Boyd was the beneficiary of NUK , Watkins , Bryant , and Ellington . I bet there was a TE there also . That's like one of the Miami U QBs in the 90's .
 
amazing80 said:
Im just saying, you clearly don't have an eye for evaluating talent. So you're "observations" are meaningless.
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You know, I would be a much better prognosticator and evaluater if you included the times when I got it right in your analysis instead of cherry picking when I occasionally get it wrong. And I would be even better than that if you included when I corrected my earlier opinions and my changes turned out to be spot on. But that wouldn't be any fun for you, would it?
 
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Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think Boyd was the beneficiary of NUK , Watkins , Bryant , and Ellington . I bet there was a TE there also . That's like one of the Miami U QBs in the 90's .
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All true and I agree. I have since learned that Dabo is the WR GURU of college coaches. Dabo has turned Clemson in to WR U.
 
Texian said:
All true and I agree. I have since learned that Dabo is the WR GURU of college coaches. Dabo has turned Clemson in to WR U.
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Speaking of Clemson what do you think about their young QB over there? Many say if he could come out this year he would be a high round pick. Is he the product of the system oe does he look like the real deal?
 
Shishkabob said:
Speaking of Clemson what do you think about their young QB over there? Many say if he could come out this year he would be a high round pick. Is he the product of the system oe does he look like the real deal?
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To be honest I haven't really watched many Clemson games, needless to say I haven't really studied young Deshaun Watson. No doubt he does come from Dabo option system that hasn't been productive in producing NFL QBs.
 
Shishkabob said:
same thing i was trying to tell people about Mett at LSU. When you have ODB and Landry to throw to you you are going to look better than you are
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Most likely I'm doing it wrong anyway, but when I'm evaluating a QB, I'm not necessarily basing everything on whether the ball was caught or not. QBs often throw perfect balls, with excellent placement that aren't caught. Same can be said the other way.

I'm looking at his mechanics, both with his feet, reading progressions, & throwing motion. I'm looking at how he handles pressure. I'm looking at how he commands the huddle, all sorts of things.

That said, I don't think anyone had Mettenberg as a first rounder. 2nd was the highest I've seen & that's more like saying with the right team, right development, he could be a solid starter.
 
Shishkabob said:
Speaking of Clemson what do you think about their young QB over there? Many say if he could come out this year he would be a high round pick. Is he the product of the system oe does he look like the real deal?
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Nick Saban said last night that Deshaun Watson was the best QB that BAMA has faced since they played Cam Newton. That answers my question about Watson, you?
 
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Texian said:
Nick Saban said last night that Deshaun Watson was the best QB that BAMA has faced since they played Cam Newton. That answers my question about Watson, you?
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But he's just a sophomore right? He couldn't declare for the draft even if he wanted to, right?
 
Texian said:
I've done exactly that and I see a guy who holds the ball far to long and is slow to process information. When pressured his accuracy suffers greatly and becomes mistake prone.
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I see a guy who when protected can throw the ball with accuracy, has pretty good movement skills and can read defenses. I also see a guy who has had the hell beat out of him and his mechanics seem to fall apart after a few hits This is what causes his accuracy issues. # Gun shy, if BOB thinks he can help Hack overcome this I'm OK with the pick because BOB is basically betting his future on Hack. I've got my doubts though.
 
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