Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB (Yates named #2)

Thorn said:
Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
Click to expand...

You left out the part about the discovery of a pill that makes obese
people slim like anorexic fashion models.

And, if he goes to the practice squad he ends up being hired as an
assitant to help Rex Ryan locate foot models for NY Jet cleats..

TJ
 
Thorn said:
Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
Click to expand...

Absolutely hilarious.

REP TO YOU SIR!
 
Thorn said:
Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
Click to expand...

Wow, I've never seen such a baseless, illusory prediction in all my time. No way are we merging with Russia.
 
Vance87 said:
Wow, I've never seen such a baseless, illusory prediction in all my time. No way are we merging with Russia.
Click to expand...
I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
 
DocBar said:
I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
Click to expand...

we owe so much $$$ to china it wouldnt take much. Hell the government couldnt afford a real chinese fortune cookie at this point
 
DocBar said:
But you didn't recognize the movie reference. You fail, little one. LOL :kitten:
Click to expand...

wouldnt be the first time i failed :) nor the last. And i am a huge movie buff, watch every damn movie that comes out. Maybe mom was right, and the drugs from years ago have affected me :chickendance:
 
EllisUnit said:
wouldnt be the first time i failed :) nor the last. And i am a huge movie buff, watch every damn movie that comes out. Maybe mom was right, and the drugs from years ago have affected me :chickendance:
Click to expand...
Dude!!!! Think mid 80's. Great movie. IMHO.
 
DocBar said:
I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
Click to expand...

You ever serve time, Doc? ;)
 
GuerillaBlack said:
That's only because of the Denver air. Schaub's long td passes are really more like Tue first one he threw to AJ. Schaub probably has the weakest arm of the three, with Case having the strongest.
Click to expand...


If u go to training camp or see the guys just throw the ball,you would know and see the pop and rotations off yates ball is far greater than the other 2.That's doesn't mean he's the best qb,but he's the most skillful of the 3.
 
DocBar said:
I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
Click to expand...

Just relax. LOL, I remember Fletch.
 
b0ng said:
Never implied the Jets lol
Click to expand...

:vincepalm: Before you start labeling people's opinions as "doubling retarded", you really REALLY need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

I never doubted that I mentioned (or implied) the Jets could be a threat to take him..So I really don't understand your post above. I mean I know it's late on a Friday night, but where the hell did you get that I never implied the jets from?

All I did was simply throw the B.S. flag up in the air when you tried to imply that I said Rex would try to snag a QB like Keenum off the waiver wire to replace Sanchez with.

All I did was mention "possibilities" or teams that could be looking to add another QB to bolster their horrible QB situation and those teams that I mentioned were the first that popped in my head. Newsflash, most teams carry 3 QBs on their roster, so if Keenum is snagged off the wire, I highly doubt he'd be grabbed up to be a starter or even a backup like you tried to IMPLY that I said. There are only 22 offensive and defensive starters.. if a team feels that Keenum can upgrade one of the other spots, they'll grab him.. That's all I ever said, so where the hell did you ever get that I mentioned Rex would look at Keenum as a replacement for Sanchez?
 
Last edited:
WE INTERRUPT YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PISSING MATCH...

To say that this will be Case's first real challenge at the pro level IIRC. He's always played with the fodder prior to this evening. I guess the eyeball test should tell us if he's progressed further than TJ has. I, for one, am really looking forward to the 3rd or so series. Also wanna see the first stringers with Matt for as true of a back-to-back comparison as we're likely to be able to see.

For all you folks that actually got to attend the the game I'm hoping you all had a great first of the season tailgaiting experience.

Kinda wish I was there but no biggie, I get to watch it with Baby Girl! I know she's only two but she knows PawPaw loves his Texans so so does she!
 
76Texan said:
Jake Delhome, Jeff Garcia are two names I can think of.
Click to expand...

76Texan said:
John Kitna is another guy.
He wend undrafted in 1996, but ended up starting 124 games.
His teams weren't very good, but he managed to win the division once (in 99) and garnered Come Back Player of the Year in 2003.
Click to expand...

Off top of my head, Jay Fiedler is another decent undrafted starting qb

("QBs Undrafted Whos Names Start With J" please, Alex)
 
I am a homer, I am drinking the coolaid, preseason doesn't mean anything, back up quarterbacks are always the most popular guy on the team, I don't know anything about football, Keenum is a system guy, Keenum had no serious competition in college, Keenum has been playing against scrubs.

I am sure I have left some things out but I think that covers most of the rebuttals for this thread.

I believe that I have been patient enough with Schaub, he's been here for years and I think he has already peaked as a professional. Among other knocks against Schaub I am particularly irritated by his under thrown long balls and chokes in big time situations.

I am not saying Keenum is the next Drew Brees but I am saying he has shown enough that I want to see what he can do in the regular season. If Schaub starts to struggle this year I want to see him benched and Keenum given a shot.
 
The best thing about the backup battle last night was that both of them looked good. In week one I thought Keenum looked better than Yates. This week I thought Yates looked better than Keenum. Both weeks I felt like we had real depth at QB.

This is a good problem to have.
 
forcefollow said:
I am not saying Keenum is the next Drew Brees but I am saying he has shown enough that I want to see what he can do in the regular season. If Schaub starts to struggle this year I want to see him benched and Keenum given a shot.
Click to expand...

I trust you won't be terribly crushed as that has no chance in hell of happening.

Dream on.
 
Through 2 practice games:

Keenum 24-36 (66.7%), 275 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.6 Y/A
Yates 20-30 (66.7%), 235 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.8 Y/A

Pass completions of 20 yards or more: Case 4, TJ 2.

Possessions:
Keenum - 9 drives;
4 punts
3 TD
2 FG

Yates - 9 drives;
5 punts
2 TD
1 missed FG
1 fumble by RB
 
Speedy said:
Through 2 practice games:

Keenum 24-36 (66.7%), 275 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.6 Y/A
Yates 20-30 (66.7%), 235 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.8 Y/A

Pass completions of 20 yards or more: Case 4, TJ 2.

Possessions:
Keenum - 9 drives;
4 punts
3 TD
2 FG

Yates - 9 drives;
5 punts
2 TD
1 missed FG
1 fumble by RB
Click to expand...

That's about as even as it gets right there. I'm impressed TJ has responded the way he has. He almost looks like he's having more fun this year too.
 
Texn4life said:
And considering all of that the battle favors who in your opinion?
Click to expand...

Actually in my opinion, no one guy over the other one. Believe it or not, that's a really good problem to have.

Obviously Schaub is the number1; Yates and Keenum battling for number 2, is actually a really good thing. Well, me thinks!
 
Texn4life said:
And considering all of that the battle favors who in your opinion?
Click to expand...

Case.

He just moves better back there. It's looking like UH. I really wanna see him with the 1s like CB because I think he could really shine. Schaub would have to be absolutely horrific, or injured, for Case to get a chance tho. He will beat out TJ because he is just a better player. He is a better player than Schaub too, just doesn't have the NFL experience. There is definitely a brees going through those hallways in reliant.
 
Texn4life said:
And considering all of that the battle favors who in your opinion?
Click to expand...

I think Tj's experience is still the trump card. It's importance can not be overstated.

A big plus on Case's side... he seems to energize the whole team. Elevate them if you will. Also can't be overstated.
 
76Texan said:
My point is that unless you run a vertical attack, which is not what the WCO is about, you don't need your QB to have a cannon of an arm.

40 yard throw is good enough to keep the defense honest.
You want your QB to be able to direct the offense downfield methodically.
Short, safe throws that reduce the number of third and long.
Catch them off-guard here and there if they try to play close to the vest.
Click to expand...
Agree and prefer an accurate passer rather a cannon arm; both but would be awesome but those are rare. Interesting but means nothing, Schaub increased his average per pass from college to pro. If Case does the same, watch out. 2010 & 2011 he avg apprx 9.5. :clap:
 
People who think arm strength is about throwing 40+ yard passes do not understand arm strength.
 
Tannehill showed arm strength on that throw to split defenders for that TD.

That's the kind of throw Schaub struggles with and it's why if our running game isn't going in the red zone we struggle to score TDs.
 
Carr Bombed said:
No what's "doubly retarded" is your asinine assuptions (and you know what they say about assuming). Please show me where in the hell I ever said the Jets would pick up Case
Click to expand...

And the wheel keeps going. I'm sure you'll move the goalposts some more in order to make a long winded post that boils down to "No I didn't say that".

Anyways, pedantic arguments with Carr Bombed aside, now that we have two games worth of Keenum ball along with some Kubiak comments Case has made himself a question to make the 53. I wonder if he comes in as 2nd QB against NO.
 
Texn4life said:
And considering all of that the battle favors who in your opinion?
Click to expand...

i give it to keenum, especially if we needed to sub a guy in. a backup who's different from the starter (especially a mobile one) is a huge mess for the defense to adjust to. TK is right that yates will likely hold onto the job this year because of his experience, but as of right now i have keenum being the better player - and with a higher ceiling.
 
Noticed today while watching both games that yates seems to have had a forgotten drive. At the end of the first half in the first game yates engineered what should have been a scoring drive. Bulluck missed the kick. Yate's play here seems to be overlooked due to the technical difficulties encountered by abc. The running game was ineffective for yates week 1 as well.

Not that I have a dog in the race. May the best qb win. Just an observation.
 
Rey said:
Tannehill showed arm strength on that throw to split defenders for that TD.

That's the kind of throw Schaub struggles with and it's why if our running game isn't going in the red zone we struggle to score TDs.
Click to expand...

WINNER!

Noone on our team has that kind of arm strength to make the "unopen" receivers open, also is there never a time when they throw the ball before the receiver breaks?
 
I can't lie. I'm starting to drink the Case koolaid myself. I need to see a lot more, but there were a couple of throws he made that really impressed me. His boots and his ability to move also make me wonder how much more this offense is capable of.

One play that he made really impressed me. The Dolphins ran a stunt up front where a D-Lineman came free inside. Case just kind of gave him a fake, rolled out. and ended up throwing the ball away. It was a 1st and 10 play, but it wasn't a negative play that would've put us behind the chains. All I could think was if that was Schaub we'd be staring at 2nd and 16 right there. Someone else said it, but if Kubiak had any kind of guts he'd let Case get a series or 2 next week with the ones at the end of the half and after.
 
Last edited:
thunderkyss said:
People who think arm strength is about throwing 40+ yard passes do not understand arm strength.
Click to expand...

When you throw a 45-yd deep out to a receiver than can run a 4.44 in stride, it's called arm strength, is it not?

You simply cannot lob the ball for it to get there that soon.
 
76Texan said:
When you throw a 45-yd deep out to a receiver than can run a 4.44 in stride, it's called arm strength, is it not?

You simply cannot lob the ball for it to get there that soon.
Click to expand...

There is no such thing as a 45 yard deep out route.. Or are you saying 45 yards across the field.. If so, very few in any QB's should ever attempt to throw a deep out 15 yards across the field.. you'll get benched before long.
 
silvrhand said:
There is no such thing as a 45 yard deep out route.. Or are you saying 45 yards across the field.. If so, very few in any QB's should ever attempt to throw a deep out 15 yards across the field.. you'll get benched before long.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, I meant to say a go route to the corner of the end zone, like the two he threw to Lemon at the end of the half.

BTW, I just rewatched those two plays, and each time he released the ball just after the 2-sec mark, with a defender pushing the blocker right close to Keenum. If he had a little cleaner of a pocket, either one of those could have very well been a TD.

I heard that Lemon was bumped on the second play as well, but the TV feed from the Miami channel (that I have) doesn't show it.
 
76Texan said:
I'm sorry, I meant to say a go route to the corner of the end zone, like the two he threw to Lemon at the end of the half.

BTW, I just rewatched those two plays, and each time he released the ball just after the 2-sec mark, with a defender pushing the blocker right close to Keenum. If he had a little cleaner of a pocket, either one of those could have very well been a TD.

I heard that Lemon was bumped on the second play as well, but the TV feed from the Miami channel (that I have) doesn't show it.
Click to expand...

It was a hold on Lemon.
 
76Texan said:
I'm sorry, I meant to say a go route to the corner of the end zone, like the two he threw to Lemon at the end of the half.
Click to expand...

i kept thinking andre would've caught at least one of those. i think it was the second one - lemon got off poorly, ended up curling from inside out, and then slowed to make contact with the DB ... and he's not the fastest guy ever to begin with. that looked like one where keenum drops it on a spot and his receiver is supposed to run under it, dre probably gets there.
 
silvrhand said:
WINNER!

Noone on our team has that kind of arm strength to make the "unopen" receivers open, also is there never a time when they throw the ball before the receiver breaks?
Click to expand...

You should re-watch Schaub's very first completion to A.J. 'Dre ran a ~ 15 yd IN and Schaub let the ball go just before A.J. made his inside cut. When he turned in the ball was on him.

Point is, we make timing throws like that more often than people think.
 
Lets keep expectations in check here. This was a preseason game vs 2's. As good as i thought he looked no one is game planning vs Case. Lets stop working on the HOF bust. IJS...
 
76Texan said:
Did they show it on the Houston feed with the correct angle, or did you see it at the game?
Click to expand...

There was no hold, that play is almost directly in front and at first I thought it was a hold till the replay showed it. It was a bump down the field but it wasn't a hold.
 
Rey said:
Tannehill showed arm strength on that throw to split defenders for that TD.
Click to expand...

That's a good example of why arm strength is important.

It should also be taken into account when things don't go right & the QB has to make something happen. Throwing on the run, throwing off his back foot, not being able to follow through, throwing across your body... all the things you're not supposed to do, but inevitably have to.

A strong arm can compensate for not being able to set your feet right or other conditions that are less than ideal.
 
silvrhand said:
Noone on our team has that kind of arm strength to make the "unopen" receivers open, also is there never a time when they throw the ball before the receiver breaks?
Click to expand...

Just to be picky.....

That throw had nothing to do with throwing someone open. That was about Wallace selling the inside route.

No one on the defensive side of the ball has any idea where the receivers are going to go. They more or less guess & use their help. Jjo had Wallace up to about the 1 yard line, then widened his coverage incase Wallace broke to the flat. Manning stood on the goal line, then widened towards the post in case Wallace went behind him.

Wallace made it look like he was going to break his route behind Manning, but stopped on a dime & turned around.

Tannehill must have known that was an option on that route & because of where Manning was, he anticpated Wallace would come back to him. His ability to zip it in there made it impossible for either Manning or Jjo to recover..... watching, you can see that they realized their mistake, they just didn't have enough time to get back.

Cutler threw a nice TD with Zip to Brandon Marshall as well. It was near the sideline, so it was much farther than the actual yard markers & BM had a DB draped on him. Cutler was able to get that ball into Marshall's gut before the defender could even swipe at it.

Mind you arm strength isn't everything. I'd much rather have Schaub (though I'm not a fan) than Cutler.
 
PapaL said:
Lets keep expectations in check here. This was a preseason game vs 2's. As good as i thought he looked no one is game planning vs Case. Lets stop working on the HOF bust. IJS...
Click to expand...

Dude, nobody is saying he's going to the freaking HOF! We're all talking backup QB. BACKUP!! Well, with the exception of one or two who thinks he should take over for Schaub now.

It IS pre-season so in pre-season we talk not so much about the game and strategy but more about position battles. A few starting spots like the o-line, but a lot about backup/depth.

If you don't care for Keenum that's fine. But to constantly rag on the dude because you don't like him, think he's Timmy Chang, think he's too short, buy the BS weak arm crap or whatever, and totally ignore the fact that he looks like a decent NFL BACKUP right now and is battling like a mother against Yates, then I don't know man. I don't know what to tell people like that.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top