Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB (Yates named #2)

[Texans_Chick]

Your thoughts on how they did vs Minnesota?

I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

As it is, it will be an odd test for both. The offensive line is going to have some challenges with Wade Smith out, and working Ben Jones and Quesenberry at LG. Both of those guys have been moving around some, and it is hard on them because the footwork is a bit different.

 

[Showtime100]

I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

As it is, it will be an odd test for both. The offensive line is going to have some challenges with Wade Smith out, and working Ben Jones and Quesenberry at LG. Both of those guys have been moving around some, and it is hard on them because the footwork is a bit different.

Yeah, from what I hear it seems TJ is missing high a lot in practice as well. As you said, he did get on track after that horrible start.

I thought Keenum did about as well as one could have asked, even against 3rd stringers. But at this point, of course, he's still got work to do.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

As it is, it will be an odd test for both. The offensive line is going to have some challenges with Wade Smith out, and working Ben Jones and Quesenberry at LG. Both of those guys have been moving around some, and it is hard on them because the footwork is a bit different.

What about Case?

 

[legacy_gt]

FWIW, this is how I see things.

1. When Schaub was out because of death in the family, TJ/Case looked ungood.

2. Today they looked particularly ungood. Like this sort of stuff. :kubepalm:

TJ was ugh yesterday, Case was ugh today. Actually it was an ugh day for the entire offense.

3. Kubiak wants to make it a real competition. By flipping Case and TJ in their reps but giving them similar amounts of reps. But he really wants folks to know not to read too much into it.

So there you go. I am not buying the hype on anyone.

All 3 QBs look better than last year. Which is the bigger story.

None of the backups

so you think case will go back to the practice squad as indicated to your blog?

 

[legacy_gt]

I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

it terms of the first pre-season game per se, you can't deny that there were a lot more plus moments for case.

interesting how balls were getting batted from TJ while the shorter Case, never had that problem.

 

[DX-TEX]

so you think case will go back to the practice squad as indicated to your blog?

IMO you put Case on the PS any longer. Some team like the Bucs, Browns or dare I mention NE would snag him as a project?

 

[b0ng]

IMO you put Case on the PS any longer. Some team like the Bucs, Browns or dare I mention NE would snag him as a project?

Why? What did he show in the Minnesota game that is going to make some team put him on their 53-man roster?

 

[thunderkyss]

IMO you put Case on the PS any longer. Some team like the Bucs, Browns or dare I mention NE would snag him as a project?

Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?

 

[76Texan]

Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?

It happened before.
At least one team did pick up a QB another team tried to stash on the PS.

I noted it in one of the threads somewhere.

It can happen and it did happen.

 

[infantrycak]

Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?

That logic applies to every player who was every taken off a practice squad.

 

[DX-TEX]

Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?

Let me say first: I have been open in my "not impressed" opinion of Case. He has shown enough so far that some team would do it especially as the season progresses and the teams that have injuries at QB or whose QBs are not very good would take the chance.

I mention NE because Mallet has been terrible this whole TC and the other option is Tebow (snicker). After their scare yesterday it would be the typical "Im the smartest man in the league!" move by Belicheck.

What would teams like the Jags, Browns, Jets, Rams, Raiders have to lose?

 

[legacy_gt]

Let me say first: I have been open in my "not impressed" opinion of Case. He has shown enough so far that some team would do it especially as the season progresses and the teams that have injuries at QB or whose QBs are not very good would take the chance.

I mention NE because Mallet has been terrible this whole TC and the other option is Tebow (snicker). After their scare yesterday it would be the typical "Im the smartest man in the league!" move by Belicheck.

What would teams like the Jags, Browns, Jets, Rams, Raiders have to lose?

I agree that Case would be picked up if he was placed in the PS. And also remember you saying that Case has no chance in playing in the nfl too.

 

[DX-TEX]

I agree that Case would be picked up if he was placed in the PS. And also remember you saying that Case has no chance in playing in the nfl too.

He will never be a starter but someone would take the chance. League is always looking for QB's. Look at Jamrcus Russel.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?

Easy answer.. because there is absolutely horrible QB play in this league, just for starters.. teams like OAK, Jax, and NY would look to add to their QB position. Just because one team would place a player on "their PS" doesn't mean another team wouldn't add the same player to their 53 man roster.. all 32 teams don't have the same level of talent.

 

[legacy_gt]

He will never be a starter but someone would take the chance. League is always looking for QB's. Look at Jamrcus Russel.

I think it's best to say and attainable that most on here would want Case to be a good solid NFL backup for the Texans regardless if people want to speculate if he'll ever start.

At this point, it's very early.

 

[thunderkyss]

That logic applies to every player who was every taken off a practice squad.

DX-Tex said as a project...

If someone thought Case can help them, like someone who would take an OLman or a DLman, or a LB, RB, or CB sure. But as a QB project, I doubt it.

 

[Rey]

I'm not sure if Case would be picked up or not. I don't know what this means in the grand scheme if things, but I have no doubt in my mind that if it was possible to get Yates on practice squad (I know it's not possible, I said IF) he wouldn't even clear waivers.

I'm not sure about Case. I honestly just don't know. I could see him going unclaimed and I could see some team picking him up to take a flyer...

 

[Rey]

DX-Tex said as a project...

If someone thought Case can help them, like someone who would take an OLman or a DLman, or a LB, RB, or CB sure. But as a QB project, I doubt it.

Remember how bad we were a few years ago? Remember we took that project QB from the cardinals practice squad?

Everybody isn't as deep as we are. So while it might be tough for us to decide on whether to carry 2 FB's, or who the 5th WR should be and whether or not we can stash guys in IR, some other teams don't have those issues. They aren't going to have issues cutting down their roster and will be constantly moving and shuffling fringe guys all year. Teams like that aren't going to stress about cutting guys that only made their team because they couldn't find anyone better.

Some team could cut a fourth string RB or a 5th string LB or 5th safety, pick case up and then get their own scrub back on practice squad. Or just let him be a free agent and give him a call if they need him. Kind of like we did with Casey Studdard.

 

[Texans_Chick]

so you think case will go back to the practice squad as indicated to your blog?

He is able to. TJ isn't.

Depends on injuries on other parts of the team, who they need to carry on 53 man roster. Some teams go with 2 QBs, some with 3. Rick Smith talked about it the other day, the studies they've done on 2 versus 3 QBs, and injury. Texans carried Beck for a while until that became a luxury they couldn't afford due to injuries to other parts of the roster.

Case is perfect for practice squad. If I'm a GM of some other team, I don't want to active roster some short guy without plus factor athleticism who doesn't know my system and hasn't been in my camp. Even Tebow has higher value in showing read option looks for practice/ playing special teams/ short yardage runs.

He might be worth swiping by an opposing team if you were doing it for the purposes of pumping him for information and then letting him go afterwards. But a team needs to have roster space for that.

His highest benefit to the Texans right now is that he knows the system. But if he got swiped off the psquad, there's any number of slappies the Texans could get to learn up the offense like they did in 2011. Not ideal, but neither is carrying another clipboard holder on the active roster. There's tradeoffs with any decision.

I like Case Keenum's story and like him personally but there's nothing in camp that makes me think he's The Future of the Texans or so much better than any number of randoms who could run this offense.

For him to have the best chance, he is going to have to kill in the 2nd and 4th preseason games. Just crush them. Show something that hasn't been seen in camp. Because despite glowing reports by some, he's not a transcendent QB in practice. Does some nice things, does some bonehead things, is much better than last year.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Some team could cut a fourth string RB or a 5th string LB or 5th safety, pick case up and then get their own scrub back on practice squad. Or just let him be a free agent and give him a call if they need him. Kind of like we did with Casey Studdard.

Actually, Case Keenum reminds me of a Casey Studdard sort of guy. Texas guy with plus character and football want to, but less than ideal NFL measurables which make him a questionable pick up for other teams. QB's get swiped if teams think they are promising guys to develop.

Last year, I predicted p-squad for Keenum, and some media folks believed that he would just be released. He was terrible last year.

This year he is better. But not OMG we have to keep him on the regular roster or we are doomed better.

 

[b0ng]

Most of you guys who think Case would get scooped up are the same people who thought Case would get scooped up last year if we put him on our PS (B-b-b-b-b-but he threw for so many yards in NCAA!). Case Keenum is a short and old QB (For being in only his second year) who played in what is thought of nationally as a gimmicky Houston scheme in college.

So now that he's spent a year on a PS, here come the "You have to put him on the roster or he'll be gone!" crowd again and it sounds just as dumb now as it does then. The bit that Carr Bombed said about NY probably picking him (I'm assuming the Jets here) is doubly retarded and pretty much throws out the window that Rex Ryan has a Mark Sanchez fetish that is both unexplainable and undeniable. Seriously, a guy who has this as a tattoo:

Is going to start picking up practice squad QB's so that he can find a replacement. While simultaneously talking down the 2nd round QB his team picked.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Kubiak:

(on what he wants to see out of QB Case Keenum) “I just think we continue. Obviously, he’s got another game plan that came at him this week. He’s got more to digest. Can he go handle that with the group like he did last week? He’s probably going to play against a little bit different level of competition from the standpoint of when he goes into the football game this week against Miami. You’re just looking for him to progress like any other player.”

 

[Thorn]

Glad to see Case will get a chance against Miami's 2s. I think a lot of questions will be answered, depending of course how he does.

And since TJ is going against the 3s, he should supposedly kick their butts. It will be interesting to see them both.

Yeah, I'm a big Case Keenum fan boy, don't mistake that for a second. But if he isn't going to make it, if he doesn't have what it takes, well then say good bye Case and get another QB. Schaub needs to be replaced sooner or later anyway.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Most of you guys who think Case would get scooped up are the same people who thought Case would get scooped up last year if we put him on our PS (B-b-b-b-b-but he threw for so many yards in NCAA!). Case Keenum is a short and old QB (For being in only his second year) who played in what is thought of nationally as a gimmicky Houston scheme in college.

So now that he's spent a year on a PS, here come the "You have to put him on the roster or he'll be gone!" crowd again and it sounds just as dumb now as it does then. The bit that Carr Bombed said about NY probably picking him (I'm assuming the Jets here) is doubly retarded and pretty much throws out the window that Rex Ryan has a Mark Sanchez fetish that is both unexplainable and undeniable. Seriously, a guy who has this as a tattoo:

Is going to start picking up practice squad QB's so that he can find a replacement. While simultaneously talking down the 2nd round QB his team picked.

No what's "doubly retarded" is your asinine assuptions (and you know what they say about assuming). Please show me where in the hell I ever said the Jets would pick up Case to replace Sanchez? Ill save you time.. it wasn't ever mentioned. Some poster asked why another team would sign him.. I said, because there are teams that have bad QB play/depth and then listed examples. No where did I ever imply that Case would be picked up to replace another team's starter or even their backup. And excuse me for not putting it past a coach who actually traded a draft pick for a QB who can't even throw.

 

[76Texan]

b0ng,

I was not one of those who thought Keenum wouldn't clear waiver last year.
The way Kubiak hid him by not giving him many opportunities as well as putting Beck ahead of him was telling.
Also, Keenum had to learn the playbook as well as working on his footwork from under center.

The other three QBs had several legs up on him since all of them were already very familiar with the WCO.

This year is a different story, and it is still early to call anything.
But if Keenum continues to show like he did against the Vikings, the odds are good, IMO, that another team will be interested in him.

Another example of an UDFA being picked up by another is John Parker Wilson.
When the Falcons cut him during pre-season2012, the Jags signed him.

Earlier this year, when the Jags cut him, the Steelers took him the next day.

So yeah, there have been UDFA QBs claimed by other teams.

I've noted two so far (and I wasn't even looking, just kinda stumbled on it.)
I'm sure if I start to look, I will find many more.
I'm quite confident of that, so would like to propose a bet? LOL!

 

[thunderkyss]

Kubiak:

(on what he wants to see out of QB Case Keenum) “I just think we continue. Obviously, he’s got another game plan that came at him this week. He’s got more to digest. Can he go handle that with the group like he did last week? He’s probably going to play against a little bit different level of competition from the standpoint of when he goes into the football game this week against Miami. You’re just looking for him to progress like any other player.”

Would it be safe to infer Tj was asked to do "more" last week than Keenum was?


In all honesty, if I were a HC, completions & first downs & TDs are all nice, but in the preseason I want to know can he or can't he run my offense. In the regular season I hope to not have him out there with my 2,3,4 receivers, 3 LG, 5 RT, 4 TE....

In the film room it's going to be, "This is what I saw, this would have been the right thing to do. But you decided to do that.... explain."

He can say, "But coach, I threw a TD" or "We kept the chains moving" & I'd cut him.....

 

[NCTexan]

In the film room it's going to be, "This is what I saw, this would have been the right thing to do. But you decided to do that.... explain."

He can say, "But coach, I threw a TD" or "We kept the chains moving" & I'd cut him.....

I think this is exactly right. Not saying Case isn't doing the right things, but I think this is probably more how it goes behind the scenes.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Would it be safe to infer Tj was asked to do "more" last week than Keenum was?


In all honesty, if I were a HC, completions & first downs & TDs are all nice, but in the preseason I want to know can he or can't he run my offense. In the regular season I hope to not have him out there with my 2,3,4 receivers, 3 LG, 5 RT, 4 TE....

In the film room it's going to be, "This is what I saw, this would have been the right thing to do. But you decided to do that.... explain."

He can say, "But coach, I threw a TD" or "We kept the chains moving" & I'd cut him.....

Yep. I think you're pretty dead on about that.

When some of us fans hear about how well Case did going off-schedule, it's like... Yeah! That's what we need! A guy who performs when the play breaks down!

But that's probably NOT what Kubiak is saying at all. The play probably went off schedule because Case didn't do what Kubiak wanted him to do. That's not a good thing to be doing if you want to stay on the team, regardless of how successful you happened to be on those plays.

 

[NCTexan]

Yep. I think you're pretty dead on about that.

When some of us fans hear about how well Case did going off-schedule, it's like... Yeah! That's what we need! A guy who performs when the play breaks down!

But that's probably NOT what Kubiak is saying at all. The play probably went off schedule because Case didn't do what Kubiak wanted him to do. That's not a good thing to be doing if you want to stay on the team, regardless of how successful you happened to be on those plays.

I think that's been thunderkyss's point this entire thread, and a lot of people seem to disagree with him about that.

(at least that's how I've read what he's saying)

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I think that's been thunderkyss's point this entire thread, and a lot of people seem to disagree with him about that.

(at least that's how I've read what he's saying)

ThunderKyss had a point?

 

[thunderkyss]

I think this is exactly right. Not saying Case isn't doing the right things, but I think this is probably more how it goes behind the scenes.

But that's probably NOT what Kubiak is saying at all. The play probably went off schedule because Case didn't do what Kubiak wanted him to do. That's not a good thing to be doing if you want to stay on the team, regardless of how successful you happened to be on those plays.

I agree with both of you.

Case is going to have to answer those questions to Kubiak's liking.... chances are he did & that's what earned him a shot with the 2nd team.

At the same time, I'm sure Kubiak liked what he saw on all the off-scheduled stuff. He expected that Case would have to go off schedule, just like he'll expect Tj to go off schedule (& if McGee gets field time), & see what happens.

Schaub probably wouldn't have performed as well as Case did with the 3s & 4s.... but Schaub is higher on the depth chart.

 

[76Texan]

b0ng,

I was not one of those who thought Keenum wouldn't clear waiver last year.
The way Kubiak hid him by not giving him many opportunities as well as putting Beck ahead of him was telling.
Also, Keenum had to learn the playbook as well as working on his footwork from under center.

The other three QBs had several legs up on him since all of them were already very familiar with the WCO.

This year is a different story, and it is still early to call anything.
But if Keenum continues to show like he did against the Vikings, the odds are good, IMO, that another team will be interested in him.

Another example of an UDFA being picked up by another is John Parker Wilson.
When the Falcons cut him during pre-season2012, the Jags signed him.

Earlier this year, when the Jags cut him, the Steelers took him the next day.

So yeah, there have been UDFA QBs claimed by other teams.

I've noted two so far (and I wasn't even looking, just kinda stumbled on it.)
I'm sure if I start to look, I will find many more.
I'm quite confident of that, so would like to propose a bet? LOL!

Two more UDFA QBs picked up by another team: Alex Tanney and Aaron Corp.

Kellen Moore, a shorter and smaller QB, with a much weaker arm than Keenum (just watch some of his college game tapes and you will see what I mean - he also played in a spread system), on the other hand, looks like the #3 QB for the Rams this year.
Another UDFA QB, Austin Davis, has been promoting to #2 (he played in CUSA.)

The Falcons made UDFA Dominique Davis a third stringer last year.

Those were just some names I found for last year alone.
So yeah, UDFA QBs make NFL roster more often than people think.

 

[Rey]

Yep. I think you're pretty dead on about that.

When some of us fans hear about how well Case did going off-schedule, it's like... Yeah! That's what we need! A guy who performs when the play breaks down!

But that's probably NOT what Kubiak is saying at all. The play probably went off schedule because Case didn't do what Kubiak wanted him to do. That's not a good thing to be doing if you want to stay on the team, regardless of how successful you happened to be on those plays.

Are you just coming up with a scenario or are you saying this is probably happening in real life?

Because if you guys are saying this is likely what's really happening, I couldn't disagree more.

Kubiak isn't going to elevate a guy to run with a higher group if he's not doing things that he likes. He's not going to give case a shot with the two's if he can't even do the right thing with the threes. You earn opportunities like this.

Btw, not all coaches are like how you describe. Plenty of coaches say if you make a mistake make it going 100 mph. Meaning, don't let a mistake during a play affect your effort.
If you have a guy making a mental error you could easily have kubiak chewing him out but praising him for making something out of it.

But it's a big assumption anyways that he's making a bunch of mistakes.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I bothered to look up Aaron Corp because his name sounded familiar (the swim through Dallas was it) ...probably not a good example of an UDFA "making it"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Corp

 

[76Texan]

I bothered to look up Aaron Corp because his name sounded familiar (the swim through Dallas was it) ...probably not a good example of an UDFA "making it"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Corp

My bad, there, LOL!

Any rate, if Corp doesn't make the Dolphins final roster, Pat Devlin will; he's another UDFA.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

since 1990 or so the two UDFA QBs to truly make it have been Kurt Warner and Tony Romo (want to say there is 3rd legitimate starting guy I am missing)

And yes there are a handful of UDFA who make the final 53 every year, but most of those

1) Never take a meaningful snap
2) start as in case of emergency break glass
3) and prove to not be significant in the NFL

If Case Keenum winds up as a billy Volek (long term career back-up) or Ryan Fitzpatrick (oops actually drafted in the 7th) then he personally has bet the odds and should be applauded.

 

[76Texan]

since 1990 or so the two UDFA QBs to truly make it have been Kurt Warner and Tony Romo (want to say there is 3rd legitimate starting guy I am missing)

And yes there are a handful of UDFA who make the final 53 every year, but most of those

1) Never take a meaningful snap
2) start as in case of emergency break glass
3) and prove to not be significant in the NFL

If Case Keenum winds up as a billy Volek (long term career back-up) or Ryan Fitzpatrick (oops actually drafted in the 7th) then he personally has bet the odds and should be applauded.

Jake Delhome, Jeff Garcia are two names I can think of.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Are you just coming up with a scenario or are you saying this is probably happening in real life?

Because if you guys are saying this is likely what's really happening, I couldn't disagree more.

Kubiak isn't going to elevate a guy to run with a higher group if he's not doing things that he likes. He's not going to give case a shot with the two's if he can't even do the right thing with the threes. You earn opportunities like this.

Btw, not all coaches are like how you describe. Plenty of coaches say if you make a mistake make it going 100 mph. Meaning, don't let a mistake during a play affect your effort.
If you have a guy making a mental error you could easily have kubiak chewing him out but praising him for making something out of it.

But it's a big assumption anyways that he's making a bunch of mistakes.

All I'm saying is that we don't know what's being said in that QB room.

The plays that some of us are getting all excited about where he went off schedule might not be plays that Kubiak is happy about. That doesn't mean that Kubiak isn't happy with some other plays.

We don't know.

Case getting a chance to play with the 2's might be more an indication of Kubiak's displeasure with TJs development than an indication that he thinks Case is all that and a bag of chips. It might be that Kubiak is trying to get someone to step up. Lord knows, Kubiak has been on both of them for not playing that great this week in practice.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Jake Delhome, Jeff Garcia are two names I can think of.

Delhomme works..Garcia was weird in that he sent 3 or 4 years in Canada before signing. think that is still fine since it is not like there are a ton other "Canadian" QBs (warren Moon of course) who have come back to the US and made an impact.

 

[thunderkyss]

Those were just some names I found for last year alone.
So yeah, UDFA QBs make NFL roster more often than people think.

Was that the question? I wouldn't have thought anyone doubted UDFA QBs would make NFL rosters.

 

[thunderkyss]

The plays that some of us are getting all excited about where he went off schedule might not be plays that Kubiak is happy about. That doesn't mean that Kubiak isn't happy with some other plays.

We don't know.

I think it's even more grayer than that.

It could be the very same play. Kubiak would ask Case to describe his thought process, if Case recite back the keys he's supposed to look at & the reads were right, that's a point. If those reads said chuck it & run, or "Yer on yer own." & Case made something happen, that's another point.

If his answer reveals he didn't get to his second read because protection in front of him, or to his left, or whatever broke down...... & he made something happen, that's a point.

However, if Kubiak believes he should have gotten to his 3rd read, but decided to flush out to his left... made a play, moved the chains, or scored..

no point.

He's got to get so many points before Kubiak says he earned a run with the 2nd unit.

I think it's obvious he did enough right things that Kubiak was already talking about putting him in with the second team when the game was over.

Where I think the problem is, is that many are saying Tj looked terrible & Case looked better... & that's not an apples to apples comparison. Tj didn't look terrible. He wasn't perfect, but very few players turn in one perfect game in there whole career.

Tj looked like Schaub. Far as I can tell, Schaub's the bar.

If I were Kubiak, Case would have to look as competent as Schaub does running this offense to make the team, or at least reasonably close. .... better would be good, I wouldn't have a problem with better.


It has nothing to do with being better or worse than Tj. If Case Keenum was playing for the Philadelphia Eagles, there's no doubt in my mind that Kubiak would go into the season with Tj Yates as our back up QB... most likely wouldn't have brought anyone in to compete with him.

 

[Rey]

You guys are real live creating your own narratives.

That's cool. I can dig it.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Are you just coming up with a scenario or are you saying this is probably happening in real life?

Because if you guys are saying this is likely what's really happening, I couldn't disagree more.

Kubiak isn't going to elevate a guy to run with a higher group if he's not doing things that he likes. He's not going to give case a shot with the two's if he can't even do the right thing with the threes. You earn opportunities like this.

Btw, not all coaches are like how you describe. Plenty of coaches say if you make a mistake make it going 100 mph. Meaning, don't let a mistake during a play affect your effort.
If you have a guy making a mental error you could easily have kubiak chewing him out but praising him for making something out of it.

But it's a big assumption anyways that he's making a bunch of mistakes.

You don't get a raise if your boss thinks you're a screw up!

 

[speedfreek]

To be honest, the biggest problem I think Keenum will have
is that he is not a good practice-time player.

Never has been.

Under Art Briles he couldn't separate himself from a guy
named Blake Joseph in practice in 2007. Joseph later
transferred to a D1-AA school and was unremarkable.

Under Sumlin he had to split time during practice with
multiple QB's without any distinction.

It wasn't until he got on the field, and got into the action
that his coaches were able to see the talent he had.

I don't think Gary operates that way. I think Gary needs
a guy to look like a pro-bowler in practice before he
trusts him in game situations.

That could be Keenum's achilles heel. And if TJ puts on
a good practice or two in a row it could spell more bench time
for Keenum.

The only fear that I have is that Gary will be silly enough
to put him on the practice squad. My nightmare is to have
Case running a touchdown back against the Texans for
another team (a la Vince Young with the titans)

TJ

 

[Lucky]

Case is perfect for practice squad.

Unless he beats out TJ for the #2 spot. Because it doesn't matter if Keenum has practice squad eligibility and Yates doesn't if Keenum is the better player. The question then would be, do you keep TJ on the 53?

I don't know if Keenum has to "kill" or "crush" to make the roster (though 3 scoring drives in 4 attempts probably meets that definition). He just has to beat out Yates.

 

[infantrycak]

You guys are real live creating your own narratives.

That's cool. I can dig it.

It has become comedy at this point.

 

[76Texan]

Yep. I think you're pretty dead on about that.

When some of us fans hear about how well Case did going off-schedule, it's like... Yeah! That's what we need! A guy who performs when the play breaks down!

But that's probably NOT what Kubiak is saying at all. The play probably went off schedule because Case didn't do what Kubiak wanted him to do. That's not a good thing to be doing if you want to stay on the team, regardless of how successful you happened to be on those plays.

I went back and looked at all the passing plays carefully, and I must say I was "extremely" impressed with the way Keenum operated.

Look at his eyes before the snap.
Look at his eyes all through the plays.
The guy didn't show the safeties, the LBs, the CBs, the D-linemen a thing.
They had no idea where he was going to go with the ball (unless the receiver is abosutelt open and he had a clear passing lane.)

Look at the off-schede play with 5:48 to go in the third.
He went through all five reads in less than 3 secs and saw nothing anywhere.
Maehl was covered.
He wanted Jean, but knew that the LB was going to pop him in the middle of the field as the safety comes up, so he immediately looked to his right.
Neither TE was open, and the LB was eying his RB like a lion ready to pound.
So he took off and evaded to the outside.
As soon as he got past the grab of the D-lineman, he turned his eyes immediately upfield.
He didn't settle for the RB, but went further downfield back to Jean for the first down.
That was at least seven reads in one play.
I am sure Kubiak was pleased.

With Schaub and Yates, IMO, the most likely that would have happened was a pass on the first read to Jean, who would be popped right away across the middle by the LB - not a pretty sight.

Or maybe Schaub would look to the left, saw the LB keying the RB, and threw the ball out of bound.

Or maybe Yates will throw the ball to the RB for no gain, maybe even a loss as the LB jumps on him.

Are you guys seeing this or am I making this all up?

 

[76Texan]

Delhomme works..Garcia was weird in that he sent 3 or 4 years in Canada before signing. think that is still fine since it is not like there are a ton other "Canadian" QBs (warren Moon of course) who have come back to the US and made an impact.

John Kitna is another guy.
He wend undrafted in 1996, but ended up starting 124 games.
His teams weren't very good, but he managed to win the division once (in 99) and garnered Come Back Player of the Year in 2003.

Not too shabby, I don't think.

 

[speedfreek]

The one thing that always amazed me about Keenum was his
ability to rapidly find, and move into a position to throw to the
open man.

In 2009 Keenum had 3 receivers on the team that had 1,000
yard receiving seasons and all were on the biletnikoff watch list.

He even made use of an H-back/tight end when one was available
(IE: 2009)

The guy had no "go to guy", and in 2010 after Keenum was
injured one of the 3 receivers I referred to left the team because
he felt he wasn't being used correctly (and had bad teammate
issues too..)

One gripe I have about Schaub is (from my perspective) he just
keeps locking in on one guy. Granted AJ and OD are great, yes,
but I don't feel that Matt spreads the ball around enough.

It's going to be really interesting to see how many targets guys
like Hopkins, Posey, et. al. actually get this year.

TJ

I went back and looked at all the passing plays carefully, and I must say I was "extremely" impressed with the way Keenum operated.

Look at his eyes before the snap.
Look at his eyes all through the plays.
The guy didn't show the safeties, the LBs, the CBs, the D-linemen a thing.
They had no idea where he was going to go with the ball (unless the receiver is abosutelt open and he had a clear passing lane.)

Look at the off-schede play with 5:48 to go in the third.
He went through all five reads in less than 3 secs and saw nothing anywhere.
Maehl was covered.
He wanted Jean, but knew that the LB was going to pop him in the middle of the field as the safety comes up, so he immediately looked to his right.
Neither TE was open, and the LB was eying his RB like a lion ready to pound.
So he took off and evaded to the outside.
As soon as he got past the grab of the D-lineman, he turned his eyes immediately upfield.
He didn't settle for the RB, but went further downfield back to Jean for the first down.
That was at least seven reads in one play.
I am sure Kubiak was pleased.

With Schaub and Yates, IMO, the most likely that would have happened was a pass on the first read to Jean, who would be popped right away across the middle by the LB - not a pretty sight.

Or maybe Schaub would look to the left, saw the LB keying the RB, and threw the ball out of bound.

Or maybe Yates will throw the ball to the RB for no gain, maybe even a loss as the LB jumps on him.

Are you guys seeing this or am I making this all up?

 

[Thorn]

Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.