Carr's Win

[beerlover]

here are the statiscal leaders from yesterday-

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/live/week4

Passing Leaders
Name Team Comp Att Yds TDs Ints
Drew Brees NO 28 38 349 1 0
Mark Brunell WAS 18 30 329 3 1
Marc Bulger STL 26 42 328 3 0
Byron Leftwich JAC 21 35 289 3 1
Jon Kitna DET 29 43 280 2 2
Brad Johnson MIN 25 44 267 1 2
Daunte Culpepper MIA 23 39 249 1 0
Carson Palmer CIN 20 35 245 0 0
Rex Grossman CHI 17 31 232 2 0
David Carr HOU 22 29 230 1 1


Complete list of this week's passing leaders

Rushing Leaders
Name Team Att Yds TDs Fumb
LaMont Jordan OAK 20 128 1 0
Laurence Maroney NE 15 125 2 0
Julius Jones DAL 23 122 1 0
Clinton Portis WAS 27 112 1 0
Jerious Norwood ATL 6 106 1 0
DeShaun Foster CAR 16 105 1 0
Larry Johnson KC 30 101 2 0
Michael Vick ATL 11 101 0 0
Reuben Droughns CLE 25 100 0 1
Thomas Jones CHI 24 98 2 0


Complete list of this week's rushing leaders

Receiving Leaders
Name Team Recp Yds TDs Fumb
Roy Williams DET 9 139 0 0
Santana Moss WAS 4 138 3 0
Marques Colston NO 5 132 1 0
Bernard Berrian CHI 3 108 1 0
Torry Holt STL 6 102 1 0
Andre Johnson HOU 9 101 1 0
Isaac Bruce STL 7 100 1 0
T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 4 95 0 0
Reggie Williams JAC 5 93 2 0
Lee Evans BUF 7 90 0 0

note to self: the Texans #1 need to aquire in the offseason is RB

 

[thunderkyss]

Carr had a fantastic game, I don't know what game everyone else is watching. The guy made on target throws and allowed his receivers to make catches, all this and our running game was poor. The pass protection slipped up a few times to kill some drives, but Gado and Dayne did a great job in picking up the blitzes. This gave Carr time to find his targets and take some chances. Note to the Haters, Carr is playing very well, you can come out now.

There was one particular play where Zack Thomas comes busting through our OLine, like he was going to do something. SamGado puts his helmet square in Zack's numbers, and decleats the little fella.... it was pretty sweet.

@ Reliant, these are the kinda things you miss. Wich is why I TiVo the games (actually DVDr). But at the game, I'm usuallly focusing in on one thing for each play. Sometimes I'll be looking at the recievers..... were they manned up, did they beat the man?? Were they playing against a zone..... did they find a soft spot??

Or I'll watch the line.... did they portect David?? did they open running lanes??
Or I'll watch David..... did he get the snap?? where is he looking??

After the play, I'll look at the jumbotron, to reinforce what I thought I saw, or to see if I missed anything.

After watching the recorded game, I can say without hesitation, That David had a pretty good...... almost great game.

I still think either his accuracy, or his thinking is suspect..... Not all the underthrows were because of small pockets, and throwing behind the reciever, and throwing the ball late, are problems I saw, and were still there watching the recorded game.

But David did a great job finding his recievers, attacking the cover 2, picking apart Miami's zone coverage, and taking advantage of one on one situations.

AT least I thought he did a great job.... Kubiak went to more outroutes, and comeback patterns in the second half.... we won, so I guess it worked??


Our pass protection was really good, picking up the blitz...... very few (if any) got in untouched...... but we seemed overpowered at Center, & TE. I thought very highly of OwenDaniels coming into the game, but Miami's defensive ends were too strong for him. Chester & Mckinney are brutes..... not very smart, but adequately powered, and they wait for contact, even on running plays. Then they try to block the defender, instead of taking him out of the play all together, they need to watch the Washington game again, and see how they did it........... poor Demeco got pummelled against Washington.

Salaam is a big boy...... and does a good job at LT..... but he's slow moving around the QB, and has a bad feel for where the pocket is (or where the QB is). If he thought JasonTaylor was fast & strong, Demarcus Ware is going to make him work. MarcusSpears, JasonFerguson, ChrisCanty, and GreggEllis are going to be a handfull across the line.

Our defense played just as well as they have been playing. Dante was just not able to get the ball out in less than 2 seconds consistently. Even from the shotgun, which I think he took most of his snaps from. We got a lot more pressure from the middle than we usually do. Weaver made his big plays from the Tackle position. TJ's name wasn't mentioned a lot, but he was getting doubled as much as anyone. Payne was beating those doubles.

Underneath coverage was still suspect, but I think the guys got a whole lot faster. RonnieBrown had some good catches & YAC as well. If the Dolphins were to go there more often, I think they would have exposed the same thing every other team we've faced (to date) has exposed.

McCleon needs to get out of there. I'd like to see PBuch, but put Derrick Johnson in there if you have to.

We need to teach Sanders the basics of catching.... he'd have had 4 picks if he could just catch the ball.

Dunta is starting to look like another former first round corner who got traded from the team that drafted him. & right now, yes I'd rather see the other guy in the game.

Our safeties aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Too many times, you could see them looking at Cullpepper, and while he didn't stare down his recievers, he did telegraph his throws quite a bit. Especially on blitzes, where he did stare down the reciever. You see McCleon or Earl coming in to blitz, and Cullpepper is looking at the spot they just left from the second the ball is snapped.

Overall, I think we are showing great progress on both sides of the ball. Especially from the DTs, and David Carr, and that tipp by Mario was probably better than the sack.

 

[Mr teX]

Carr played another careful, managed game yesterday. Man is he the anti-Bret Farve or what? For every stupid chance Farve takes, Carr pulls the ball in and takes the sack. I wish we could find a happy balance. Carr is just so darn conservative. I know that is a winner in the conservative NFL but still.


Quite Possibly the dumbest post i've read to date. If you throw Int's it is what is called a "turnover" . If you take a sack, you live to fight another down if you have any left. The only time anyone is OK with an Int. (relatively speaking) is when it acts as a punt, i.e. long pass that everyone who is around the ball has a shot at. I cannot believe anyone would bash this dude b/c he doesn't throw ints enough! The above bolded is the only thing that should matter; ask brad johnson, Trent Dilfer & Neil Odonell. People get exciting football & winning football confused sometimes.

 

[thunderkyss]

Carr played another careful, managed game yesterday. Man is he the anti-Bret Farve or what? For every stupid chance Farve takes, Carr pulls the ball in and takes the sack. I wish we could find a happy balance. Carr is just so darn conservative. I know that is a winner in the conservative NFL but still.

Quite Possibly the dumbest post i've read to date. If you throw Int's it is what is called a "turnover" . If you take a sack, you live to fight another down if you have any left. The only time anyone is OK with an Int. (relatively speaking) is when it acts as a punt, i.e. long pass that everyone who is around the ball has a shot at. I cannot believe anyone would bash this dude b/c he doesn't throw ints enough! The above bolded is the only thing that should matter; ask brad johnson, Trent Dilfer & Neil Odonell. People get exciting football & winning football confused sometimes.

Yes & no. a lot of those "stupid" chances that Farve takes end up being completions....... completions for touchdowns.

I'm not saying David should be more like Bret, Bret's the luckiest man alive as far as I'm concerned..... but most of the big time QBs with more INTs than David also have more TDs thrown.. so you know six in one hand......

 

[Mr teX]

He's been coached extensively on this I believe. He must believe an NFL QB never gets benched for getting sacked whereas he'll get benched faster than anything throwing picks.

I have heard for 4 years now about Carr's cannon arm. Why just last night Tim Melton was heard to comment about how Carr was able to make a throw across his body out in the flat and how much arm strength that throw takes. No doubt he got it there in time. Now here's my question. Is arm strength measured in different ways? Carr has good lateral strength to zip the pass on the out routes. But he's usually throwing out of his shoes and behind the wide receiver on the fly or post pattern. Yesterday A.Johnson adjusted his route and caught the underthrown ball but I seem to recall more than one being thrown like this. At least one in the Redskins game was underthrown the same way. Yeah he was hit when he released but watch the other post throws. He's short on them. Carson Palmer wouldn't be short on those passes. Just saying.

Carr played another careful, managed game yesterday. Man is he the anti-Bret Farve or what? For every stupid chance Farve takes, Carr pulls the ball in and takes the sack. I wish we could find a happy balance. Carr is just so darn conservative. I know that is a winner in the conservative NFL but still.

Another thing is, Most of those long passes are supossed to be thrown like that to simulate a "jump ball" if you will. The advantage is all AJ, whether he's 1 on 1, or if he has to adjust his route. Only when AJ or any wide out for that matter is behind the coverage completely is he supposed to lead him. You can see good examples of this in the philly & washington games. But you mean to tell me that you would lead AJ up the field with the safety coming over the top? Point is there's nothing wrong with DC's arm strength, I would venture to say that he's been coached to throw them up to AJ like that depending on the coverage/situation.

 

[texan279]

How about we just credit this win to Mario Williams or whoever it was who tipped the pass on the two point conversion that could have tied the game...

 

[Mr teX]

Yes & no. a lot of those "stupid" chances that Farve takes end up being completions....... completions for touchdowns.

I'm not saying David should be more like Bret, Bret's the luckiest man alive as far as I'm concerned..... but most of the big time QBs with more INTs than David also have more TDs thrown.. so you know six in one hand......

Relatively speaking, yes well said.

 

[TK_Gamer]

How about we just credit this win to Mario Williams or whoever it was who tipped the pass on the two point conversion that could have tied the game...

in essence I would support giving credit to mario for the win, but ....
I think our biggest problem this year and every year seems to be the flood gate collapse of the defense, where we allow a big play and lose heart wich leads to a big lead at the half or in the third quarter, so I think I personally would credit the defensive playcalling and pressure to start the game that kept the floodgate from opening and gave us a chance to win. ofcourse mario also had alot to do with that pressure anyway so he still made himself look good Now we just need to keep this pressure up at the beginning of every game and try to set the tone early and we will give ourselves a chance to win ALOT of games in the future.

 

[texan279]

in essence I would support giving credit to mario for the win, but ....
I think our biggest problem this year and every year seems to be the flood gate collapse of the defense, where we allow a big play and lose heart wich leads to a big lead at the half or in the third quarter, so I think I personally would credit the defensive playcalling and pressure to start the game that kept the floodgate from opening and gave us a chance to win. ofcourse mario also had alot to do with that pressure anyway so he still made himself look good Now we just need to keep this pressure up at the beginning of every game and try to set the tone early and we will give ourselves a chance to win ALOT of games in the future.

My post was semi sarcastic actually. I think the whole team deserves the win, not just one indivdual. There were several guys who stepped up and made plays throughout the game though.

 

[real]

How about we just credit this win to Mario Williams or whoever it was who tipped the pass on the two point conversion that could have tied the game...

Not to discredit Mario or the rest of the Texans defense....but in all honesty one of those recievers should have caught that ball....

 

[hollywood_texan]

This thread is still going?

Let me understand this:

1. Carr is not responsible for any losses, but gets credit for victories.
2. Carr does not run the 2 minute drill with 1:57 left in the first half on the Texans 20, Carr gets credit for the win.
3. Carr and the offense can get only one first down with about 5 minutes left in the game to preserve an 8 point lead, they give the ball back to the Dolphins with 3:30 left to play. Carr gets credit for the victory because the defends holds on a two-point conversion. Carr gets credit for the victory.
4. Carr and the offense can only score one fieldgoal in 3 quarters of play, Carr gets credit for the victory.
5. Carr gets the same stats has always, around 200 yards passing, 25 attempts and 20 completions. Same as always, offense scores 17 points. Carr gets credit for victory.

This game was won because the defense played a lot better.

Carr and the offense played the same as always, except that they actually scored points in the 4th quarter that meant something. The defense kept this game close the whole way through.

If I was Richard Smith, I would have went Buddy Ryan on Kubiak because the defense shows up and the offense plays the same old boring Capers way.

And you guys are telling me Carr deserves the game ball?

 

[Mr teX]

This thread is still going?

Let me understand this:

1. Carr is not responsible for any losses, but gets credit for victories.
2. Carr does not run the 2 minute drill with 1:57 left in the first half on the Texans 20, Carr gets credit for the win.
3. Carr and the offense can get only one first down with about 5 minutes left in the game to preserve an 8 point lead, they give the ball back to the Dolphins with 3:30 left to play. Carr gets credit for the victory because the defends holds on a two-point conversion. Carr gets credit for the victory.
4. Carr and the offense can only score one fieldgoal in 3 quarters of play, Carr gets credit for the victory.
5. Carr gets the same stats has always, around 200 yards passing, 25 attempts and 20 completions. Same as always, offense scores 17 points. Carr gets credit for victory.

This game was won because the defense played a lot better.

Carr and the offense played the same as always, except that they actually scored points in the 4th quarter that meant something. The defense kept this game close the whole way through.

If I was Richard Smith, I would have went Buddy Ryan on Kubiak because the defense shows up and the offense plays the same old boring Capers way.

And you guys are telling me Carr deserves the game ball?

What would you have said if the Dolphins take it down the field & Mario doesn't tip that pass? Or if the series b4, the D doesn't stop them. My guess is " Its all Carr & the offenses' fault b/c they couldn't score when we needed them most." not " The defense sucks" despite them giving up half of what they gave up in the previous 3 games. It's really how you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?

 

[infantrycak]

2. Carr does not run the 2 minute drill with 1:57 left in the first half on the Texans 20, Carr gets credit for the win.

Carr doesn't deserve credit for wins or loses--the team does. While you are on your rant you might try to stick at least somewhat to the facts. Carr didn't walk to the sideline and say coach I am not running a 2:00 drill. Kubiak made the call.

5. Carr gets the same stats has always, around 200 yards passing, 25 attempts and 20 completions.

This was already shown wrong once but since it didn't sink in--the Texans passing O averaged 139 ypg in 2005--this year 216 ypg--that is big positive difference. Over the course of the last 23 games coming into this season Carr had thrown for 200+ yds in just 6 games --this year 4 straight 200+ yd games. Oh and all of last year they managed 18 plays over 20 yds and 2 over 40 yds--this year at the quarter mark they are at 12 plays over 20 and 2 over 40 yds. Clearly better. On the flip side the running game is clearly worse averaging just 76 ypg at 3.2 ypc vs. 113.5 ypg at 4.2 ypc.

 

[thunderkyss]

What would you have said if the Dolphins take it down the field & Mario doesn't tip that pass? Or if the series b4, the D doesn't stop them. My guess is " Its all Carr & the offenses' fault b/c they couldn't score when we needed them most." not " The defense sucks" despite them giving up half of what they gave up in the previous 3 games. It's really how you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?

If the D gave up the 2pointConversion, we'd see in overtime who would win the game.

Our Defense sucks..... but our offense does as well. As stated, it would be easier to sell this as an offensive victory if they'd have held the ball for three more minutes, or at least attempted a field goal.. but the didn't. They gave the ball to Mario, and said we did all we could do...... it's on you now.

Without a doubt, we won because both sides of the ball came to play..... but it leans more towards a defensive battle than an offensive free for all.

 

[hollywood_texan]

What would you have said if the Dolphins take it down the field & Mario doesn't tip that pass? Or if the series b4, the D doesn't stop them. My guess is " Its all Carr & the offenses' fault b/c they couldn't score when we needed them most." not " The defense sucks" despite them giving up half of what they gave up in the previous 3 games. It's really how you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?

Very interesting. So by your analysis, depending on what the defense does, Carr gets credit for the win but doesn't get blamed for the loss?

By the way, if the defense had given up that two-point conversion, I would be railing on them. But they didn't give it up, and they played a lot better than what they showed in the previous weeks.

My main point is the that the game was a lot different because the defense played a lot better. The offense played the same as it always has.

If you think 17 points, 200 yards passing, and 90 yards rushing on a regular basis is good for an NFL offense, I really don't know what to say. That is what the offense is good for (look through the box scores back to 2004, that is what they do) and Kubiak really doesn't look that different from Capers right now.

 

[thunderkyss]

Carr doesn't deserve credit for wins or loses--the team does. While you are on your rant you might try to stick at least somewhat to the facts. Carr didn't walk to the sideline and say "coach I am not running a 2:00 drill." Kubiak made the call.

Quotation marks are your friends......

This was already shown wrong once but since it didn't sink in--the Texans passing O averaged 139 ypg in 2005--this year 216 ypg--that is big positive difference. Over the course of the last 23 games coming into this season Carr had thrown for 200+ yds in just 6 games --this year 4 straight 200+ yd games. Oh and all of last year they managed 18 plays over 20 yds and 2 over 40 yds--this year at the quarter mark they are at 12 plays over 20 and 2 over 40 yds. Clearly better. On the flip side the running game is clearly worse averaging just 76 ypg at 3.2 ypc vs. 113.5 ypg at 4.2 ypc.

Thanks for this bit of info...... where ever it was posted before, I missed it..... this is good to know.

 

[thunderkyss]

Very interesting. So by your analysis, depending on what the defense does, Carr gets credit for the win but doesn't get blamed for the loss?

By the way, if the defense had given up that two-point conversion, I would be railing on them. But they didn't give it up, and they played a lot better than what they showed in the previous weeks.

My main point is the that the game was a lot different because the defense played a lot better. The offense played the same as it always has.

If you think 17 points, 200 yards passing, and 90 yards rushing on a regular basis is good for an NFL offense, I really don't know what to say. That is what the offense is good for (look through the box scores back to 2004, that is what they do) and Kubiak really doesn't look that different from Capers right now.

In all honestsy, they played worse.... Miami doesn't compare with the offenses we've played so far........ not yet anyway.

our tackling was worse...... our coverage was worse... the D line played as well as they have been.... they were just given a little help.

 

[hollywood_texan]

This was already shown wrong once but since it didn't sink in--the Texans passing O averaged 139 ypg in 2005--this year 216 ypg--that is big positive difference. Over the course of the last 23 games coming into this season Carr had thrown for 200+ yds in just 6 games --this year 4 straight 200+ yd games. Oh and all of last year they managed 18 plays over 20 yds and 2 over 40 yds--this year at the quarter mark they are at 12 plays over 20 and 2 over 40 yds. Clearly better. On the flip side the running game is clearly worse averaging just 76 ypg at 3.2 ypc vs. 113.5 ypg at 4.2 ypc.

infantrycak, my 200 yard number isn't an average or even a calculation. It is going through the box scores from 2003 and seeing what Carr is worth on any given Sunday.

I purposely took out the outliers in my eyeballing so the numbers don't get scewed.

Before 2006, he was worth about 175-180 yards per game with about 25 attempts and 16 completions. Now, he is worth about 200 yards a game, with about 27-28 attemptes with about 22 completions.

My anlaysis is really about eyeballing and not hard calculations.

Your numbers look right on the averages with calculations, but I think it is really important to take out the outliers in determining Carr's worth on any given Sunday. Carr has had many bad games, and a couple good games. I am not banging on him for the bad games, and I am not giving him credit for those couple of good games. Again, what is he worth on any given Sunday, that is my analysis.

 

[Texans86]

infantrycak, my 200 yard number isn't an average or even a calculation. It is going through the box scores from 2003 and seeing what Carr is worth on any given Sunday.

I purposely took out the outliers in my eyeballing so the numbers don't get scewed.

Before 2006, he was worth about 175-180 yards per game with about 25 attempts and 16 completions. Now, he is worth about 200 yards a game, with about 27-28 attemptes with about 22 completions.

My anlaysis is really about eyeballing and not hard calculations.

Your numbers look right on the averages with calculations, but I think it is really important to take out the outliers in determining Carr's worth on any given Sunday. Carr has had many bad games, and a couple good games. I am not banging on him for the bad games, and I am not giving him credit for those couple of good games. Again, what is he worth on any given Sunday, that is my analysis.

So basically you'd like to look at the numbers that support your point of view, but not the whole. Understandable. Minus the fumbled snaps, every aspect of Carr's game has improved. I can't think of one statistic that he has not improved upon, and this is only four games into a brand new system. Before, you brought up the fact that the defense could not hold on to the ball for the last 3:30 in the game, but I blame that more on the running game than on Carr. Any team with a lead would be running the ball to preserve it. If we can find some semblance of a running game, this offense can be lethal, even with Carr at the helm.

 

[hollywood_texan]

So basically you'd like to look at the numbers that support your point of view, but not the whole. Understandable. Minus the fumbled snaps, every aspect of Carr's game has improved. I can't think of one statistic that he has not improved upon, and this is only four games into a brand new system. Before, you brought up the fact that the defense could not hold on to the ball for the last 3:30 in the game, but I blame that more on the running game than on Carr. Any team with a lead would be running the ball to preserve it. If we can find some semblance of a running game, this offense can be lethal, even with Carr at the helm.

I really don't think I am looking at the numbers to his detriment.

Look, he has improved. By the standards I am applying him too, Carr has been very consistent, which he really hasn't been in the past. I feel pretty confident in saying Carr can constitently put up 200 yards and 28 attempts with 22 completions every week. Before that, he would do it like 2 out of 3 or 4 weeks to hit his lower sweet spot numbers

So, Carr's consistently hitting his sweet spot numbers and they are a little higher than in the past.

But, that isn't going to be enough to have a winning season in my opinion in the AFC and in our division. And it wasn't really enough to give him the gameball from last Sunday. Just my opinion of course.

As for your issue of running the football on that last drive, part of the reason Carr is the highest rated passer in the league is because of several short throws that really increase his completion percentage. Point is, the Texans are throwing many balls in a game that are really running plays. Bottom line here, Carr should have been able to drive the ball downfield to at least get a fieldgoal.

If you can't expect that of Carr, what can you expect of any player on this team? It was clutch time, and just like the 2 minute drill, they didn't do it!

 

[bigTEXan8]

So basically you'd like to look at the numbers that support your point of view, but not the whole. Understandable. Minus the fumbled snaps, every aspect of Carr's game has improved. I can't think of one statistic that he has not improved upon, and this is only four games into a brand new system. Before, you brought up the fact that the defense could not hold on to the ball for the last 3:30 in the game, but I blame that more on the running game than on Carr. Any team with a lead would be running the ball to preserve it. If we can find some semblance of a running game, this offense can be lethal, even with Carr at the helm.

i could easily say that carr and the rest of the offense could be solid, and put up more than just under 20 points a game, given a decent running game. i've actually been relatively impressed that carr has been able to put up the #'s he actually has.

 

[Goatcheese]

Carr played an important part in the win, but at the end of the day football is the ultimate team game.

This was a total team win, and I'm happy for them[the defense]

 

[Mr teX]

What would you have said if the Dolphins take it down the field & Mario doesn't tip that pass? Or if the series b4, the D doesn't stop them. My guess is " Its all Carr & the offenses' fault b/c they couldn't score when we needed them most." not " The defense sucks" despite them giving up half of what they gave up in the previous 3 games. It's really how you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?

My point, was not to say that Carr & the offense won the game for us; I think it was a team win however you look at it. The glass half full.... reference was to say that Some people can look @ it & say that the offense accomplished alot more than what was immediately present in the stat sheet. (staying on the field longer, running game was SOMEWHAT better etc.) Others tend to only look @ it in terms of Critical plays in which, the D has the edge. I'm well aware of the 2 point conversion's significance, but bottom line is if the Offense doesn't do what it did (score points however many) & if the D doesn't do what it did (sacks, failed 2-point conversion) they could have lost the game. it was an all around team game & that's what this game is about.

 

[infantrycak]

I really don't think I am looking at the numbers to his detriment.

HT--you are clearly playing with the numbers to try to characterize him as the same he has always been when he has obviously improved this year. He still has plenty of improvement to make no doubt. OTOH you want to ignore the running game problems which are equally clear. You know an effective running game--just a mid pack one like they have had the last couple years (a) should improve the passing game even more (3rd and 3 is much easier to convert than 3rd and 6--although right now the Texans are converting without a running game at a rate which ties them for 4th in the league), (b) help sustain drives and (c) overall be good for one extra field goal each game--i.e. to the mark of a mid pack 20 ppg offense. Of course everyone would like to see even better than that and most likely after the new HC works with a half new team and new systems on both of the ball for more than 4 games you will see a progression.

 

[hollywood_texan]

What would you have said if the Dolphins take it down the field & Mario doesn't tip that pass? Or if the series b4, the D doesn't stop them. My guess is " Its all Carr & the offenses' fault b/c they couldn't score when we needed them most." not " The defense sucks" despite them giving up half of what they gave up in the previous 3 games. It's really how you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?

My point, was not to say that Carr & the offense won the game for us; I think it was a team win however you look at it. The glass half full.... reference was to say that Some people can look @ it & say that the offense accomplished alot more than what was immediately present in the stat sheet. (staying on the field longer, running game was SOMEWHAT better etc.) Others tend to only look @ it in terms of Critical plays in which, the D has the edge. I'm well aware of the 2 point conversion's significance, but bottom line is if the Offense doesn't do what it did (score points however many) & if the D doesn't do what it did (sacks, failed 2-point conversion) they could have lost the game. it was an all around team game & that's what this game is about.

Are you talking to yourself?

I think I understand what your saying.

I'll just add, the offense's job is to score points, the defense's job is to not allow the other team to score points.

Through three quarters, the defense did a lot better job than the offense in that area. And to protect a lead, the offense couldn't follow through.

Bottom line, the offense had two good drives all game.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Are you talking to yourself?

I think I understand what your saying.

I'll just add, the offense's job is to score points, the defense's job is to not allow the other team to score points.

Through three quarters, the defense did a lot better job than the offense in that area. And to protect a lead, the offense couldn't follow through.

Bottom line, the offense had two good drives all game.

That's funny! LOL!

The offense was actually moving the ball pretty good IMO. If it weren't for the two turnovers in these two drives, who's to say we wouldn't have scored more?

Houston Texans at 05:31
1-10-HOU11 (5:31) S.Gado left guard to HST 12 for 1 yard (C.Crowder, J.Zgonina).
2-9-HOU12 (4:59) S.Gado up the middle to HST 15 for 3 yards (D.Wilkinson, Z.Thomas).
3-6-HOU15 (4:19) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to HST 21 for 6 yards (W.Allen).
1-10-HOU21 (3:35) D.Carr sacked at HST 18 for -3 yards (V.Holliday, J.Taylor).
2-13-HOU18 (3:00) D.Carr pass short left to A.Johnson to HST 22 for 4 yards (W.Allen).
3-9-HOU22 (2:22) D.Carr pass deep left to A.Johnson to HST 46 for 24 yards (Z.Thomas) [Y.Bell].
1-10-HOU46 (1:40) S.Gado right guard to HST 48 for 2 yards (Z.Thomas).
2-8-HOU48 (1:06) S.Gado right end to HST 48 for no gain (K.Carter).
3-8-HOU48 (:25) D.Carr pass short left intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by W.Allen at MIA 44. W.Allen to HST 45 for 11 yards (A.Johnson).

Houston Texans at 15:00
1-10-HOU20 (15:00) D.Carr pass short left to E.Moulds to HST 29 for 9 yards (C.Crowder).
2-1-HOU29 (14:34) R.Dayne up the middle to HST 33 for 4 yards (J.Taylor).
1-10-HOU33 (14:04) D.Carr sacked at HST 33 for 0 yards (W.Allen).
2-10-HOU33 (13:28) D.Carr pass incomplete deep right to A.Johnson.
3-10-HOU33 (13:20) D.Carr pass short left to K.Walter to HST 43 for 10 yards (Z.Thomas).
1-10-HOU43 (12:51) D.Carr pass incomplete to E.Moulds (W.Allen).
2-10-HOU43 (12:45) R.Dayne up the middle to MIA 45 for 12 yards (T.Tillman).
1-10-MIA45 (12:08) R.Dayne left guard to MIA 45 for no gain (J.Taylor).
2-10-MIA45 (11:28) D.Carr sacked at 50 for -5 yards (J.Taylor). FUMBLES (J.Taylor), RECOVERED by MIA-J.Taylor at 50. J.Taylor to HST 31 for 19 yards (S.McKinney).

 

[hollywood_texan]

This is what I posted:

I really don't think I am looking at the numbers to his detriment.

Look, he has improved. By the standards I am applying him too, Carr has been very consistent, which he really hasn't been in the past. I feel pretty confident in saying Carr can constitently put up 200 yards and 28 attempts with 22 completions every week. Before that, he would do it like 2 out of 3 or 4 weeks to hit his lower sweet spot numbers

So, Carr's consistently hitting his sweet spot numbers and they are a little higher than in the past.

But, that isn't going to be enough to have a winning season in my opinion in the AFC and in our division. And it wasn't really enough to give him the gameball from last Sunday. Just my opinion of course.

As for your issue of running the football on that last drive, part of the reason Carr is the highest rated passer in the league is because of several short throws that really increase his completion percentage. Point is, the Texans are throwing many balls in a game that are really running plays. Bottom line here, Carr should have been able to drive the ball downfield to at least get a fieldgoal.

If you can't expect that of Carr, what can you expect of any player on this team? It was clutch time, and just like the 2 minute drill, they didn't do it!

This is how you responded:

The quote you pulled from my posting is:

"I really don't think I am looking at the numbers to his detriment"

Then your response:

HT--you are clearly playing with the numbers to try to characterize him as the same he has always been when he has obviously improved this year. He still has plenty of improvement to make no doubt. OTOH you want to ignore the running game problems which are equally clear. You know an effective running game--just a mid pack one like they have had the last couple years (a) should improve the passing game even more (3rd and 3 is much easier to convert than 3rd and 6--although right now the Texans are converting without a running game at a rate which ties them for 4th in the league), (b) help sustain drives and (c) overall be good for one extra field goal each game--i.e. to the mark of a mid pack 20 ppg offense. Of course everyone would like to see even better than that and most likely after the new HC works with a half new team and new systems on both of the ball for more than 4 games you will see a progression.

infantrycak, you say I am playing with the numbers, but you clearly taking a selected portion from my posting.

Here is what I said immediately following what you selected:

"Look, he has improved. By the standards I am applying him too, Carr has been very consistent, which he really hasn't been in the past. I feel pretty confident in saying Carr can constitently put up 200 yards and 28 attempts with 22 completions every week. Before that, he would do it like 2 out of 3 or 4 weeks to hit his lower sweet spot numbers."


As for you point about the running game, I agree with you on running the football is extremely important. For some background, I am a run first guy.

But, I think the Texans can find it easier to run the football if they pass the ball by using the entire part of the field on a consistent basis. It seems to me that the linebackers and safeties are leaning forward because they really are not concerned about the pass, particularly the medium to deep throws down the middle of the field.

You can go the route of pounding the ball on the run, but I think it will be a lot tougher than loosening things up by making the linebackers and safeties being concerned about the entire part of the field.

My point is, the linebackers and safeties are playing run and really not concenrned too much about the pass.

 

[infantrycak]

infantrycak, you say I am playing with the numbers, but you clearly taking a selected portion from my posting.

Yeah--the portion which contained an inaccurate picture trying to characterize the average production this year as anything resembling the 23 games prior to it. In any event, this has been hashed over too much at this point.

 

[hollywood_texan]

Yeah--the portion which contained an inaccurate picture trying to characterize the average production this year as anything resembling the 23 games prior to it. In any event, this has been hashed over too much at this point.

All right, let's just leave it at that then.

I don't think you want to recognize the part of my posting that I am trying to point out to you.

 

[infantrycak]

I don't think you want to recognize the part of my posting that I am trying to point out to you.

Which part was that?--the passing more to set up the running game part?

We were grossly incompetent as a passing offense last year and still slugged out 4.2 ypc. Our only rushing TD was by the QB. I'll look out for it when I rewatch the game but I don't remember the Dolphins stacking the box and ignoring the passing game.

 

[hollywood_texan]

Which part was that?--the passing more to set up the running game part?

We were grossly incompetent as a passing offense last year and still slugged out 4.2 ypc. Our only rushing TD was by the QB. I'll look out for it when I rewatch the game but I don't remember the Dolphins stacking the box and ignoring the passing game.

Ok, I guess we are going to rehash something.

I really don't think it is a rehash though, but I have a feeling you will take it the other way. Maybe, we'll see.

When you responded to my posting, I was under the impression that you were saying that I basically wrote that Carr was just like 2005.

My response was to point out that I said he not only improved his numbers and overall play, but is also very consistent in doing so. Fumbles seem to be the only real sticking point from old issues.

I was merely trying to point that out to you. If I misunderstood your posting, then my bad.

Carr is clearly better this year and very consistent with what we have seen the first four games. I think that is the point I put accross in my first posting to quoted.

In improvement, that means he puts up around 200 - 215 yards passing, 28 attempts, and 22 completions. Better than last year and he is very consistent and probably better than 2004 because of the consistency part. He still has a lot to improve on though.

As for the running game part, unrelated to what I was trying to say earlier, I think a lot passes are taking the place of some running calls. But, maybe that is part of your point.

I here you on the running game and I agree it is big problem and needs to be solved. However, as I stated earlier, I think my solution is very different from yours though. Carr needs to get the ball down the medium to deep middle parts of the field. That will get the linebackers and safeties covering the entire field, which should loosen up the line for running.

I don't think the issue is stacking the box so much but where they end up playing to.

 

[infantrycak]

Carr needs to get the ball down the medium to deep middle parts of the field. That will get the linebackers and safeties covering the entire field, which should loosen up the line for running.

I don't think the issue is stacking the box so much but where they end up playing to.

Carr has improved on that but particularly needs work stretching the passes from the 1-10 yd zone (62% of his passes right now vs. 43% McNabb, 50.5% Brees, 44% Plummer) and into the 10-20 yd zone (11% Carr vs. 13% McNabb, 17% Brees, 23 % Plummer). His numbers behind the LOS and deeper than 20 yds are very similar to all three so far this season. I still come back to a chicken and egg thing on this. While I am sure a more potent passing attack would open up the running game, right now the running game is lagging behind the passing game and it is equally true that a more potent rushing game would open up the passing game. We ran better last year with worse passing--the passing game has progressed while the running game has regressed.

 

[thunderkyss]

That's funny! LOL!

The offense was actually moving the ball pretty good IMO. If it weren't for the two turnovers in these two drives, who's to say we wouldn't have scored more?

That is exactly the problem........ the two turnovers....... it's part of the offenses job to protect the ball..... add onto the turnovers any fumbles we did recover & sacks.... they stall drives, steal momentum... They are detrimental to the offensive performance.

 

[HJam72]

Carr fumbles too much.

What I mean by that is that he has improved drastically from last year.

Which means he still sucks.

That's why he has a great passer rating.

Which is why we are 1-3 and can't run the ball.

But our O-line is much improved and our RBs are really good.

But we still can't run because Carr still sucks.

I think that may have summed up the last two pages.

 

[thunderkyss]

Carr fumbles too much.

What I mean by that is that he has improved drastically from last year.

Which means he still sucks.

That's why he has a great passer rating.

Which is why we are 1-3 and can't run the ball.

But our O-line is much improved and our RBs are really good.

But we still can't run because Carr still sucks.

I think that may have summed up the last two pages.

I think you forgot to mention that Carr sucks......

Our offense was stalled because of our passing game against Philly, Indy, and Washington.

 

[TK_Gamer]

Carr fumbles too much.

What I mean by that is that he has improved drastically from last year.

Which means he still sucks.

That's why he has a great passer rating.

Which is why we are 1-3 and can't run the ball.

But our O-line is much improved and our RBs are really good.

But we still can't run because Carr still sucks.

I think that may have summed up the last two pages.

If Carr makes it to the pro bowl, and finishes the season with the best QB rating, the most touchdowns and the fewest int's, to some people he will still suck and they will whine next year when we dont take a QB with our first pick. we are not a good football team, we never were. which QB we have really has little or nothing to do with it. We dont have an oline, and we never have. we havent had a secondary since 2004 even then it was average. people say the QB is an easy target for failure and Texans fans have proved that to me. now if we won 10 to 12 games a year and made it to the playoffs, I'm pretty sure alot of these whining nitpicking complaints would mysteriously go away, no matter what the stats said about this player or that player. I live in Kansas now and it's no different here, the chiefs stunk up the place in their first game and lost in overtime to denver. the fans all said they sucked. they beat the crap out of a terrible 49er team and now they are great. No logic to any of this. I just want the texans to get better, and I think they will, but they have a lot of catching up to do just to become an average team, let alone a great one. I trust Carr at QB more than I trust mcleon at CB or Greenwood at LB or CC brown at FS, I could go on and on right down the depth chart, david carr is way way down on the list of players that worry me.

 

[thunderkyss]

If Carr makes it to the pro bowl, and finishes the season with the best QB rating, the most touchdowns and the fewest int's, to some people he will still suck and they will whine next year when we dont take a QB with our first pick. we are not a good football team, we never were. which QB we have really has little or nothing to do with it. We dont have an oline, and we never have. we havent had a secondary since 2004 even then it was average. people say the QB is an easy target for failure and Texans fans have proved that to me. now if we won 10 to 12 games a year and made it to the playoffs, I'm pretty sure alot of these whining nitpicking complaints would mysteriously go away, no matter what the stats said about this player or that player. I live in Kansas now and it's no different here, the chiefs stunk up the place in their first game and lost in overtime to denver. the fans all said they sucked. they beat the crap out of a terrible 49er team and now they are great. No logic to any of this. I just want the texans to get better, and I think they will, but they have a lot of catching up to do just to become an average team, let alone a great one. I trust Carr at QB more than I trust mcleon at CB or Greenwood at LB or CC brown at FS, I could go on and on right down the depth chart, david carr is way way down on the list of players that worry me.

What is it going to take for you guys to understand that Carr did indeed suck. He is playing better now, because he wasn't playing better before. Kubiak has mentioned that he took David back to square one. He went back to working on his footwork, his technique, and his decision making. He has criticized Carr's play through every game with concern to his consistency in Qtrs 2 & 3.

Everything that Carr has been criticized for by the Haters, are the same things Carr has been criticized for by Kubiak.

So far, the only thing the Haters have been wrong about, was that David will never be any good....... which we may not see one way or the other, until David is in a situation where he should fall apart. Kinda like JakePlummer getting pumelled by the Steelers(??) in the playoffs.. where he reverted to the old Jake, and is still playing like the old Jake.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

This just in.....The NFL has declared that David Carr won the game against the Dolphins this past Saturday rather than the Texans. Due to the recent declaration the Texans have been stripped of their win and now are in fourth place, ahead of the Titans, but just below the Colts, Jags and David Carr.

I say Freeeesss, you say no. Fres! No! I overheard that at a party in Vegas twenty years ago. It was a crazy mixed up time and Boyd Grant owned the West.

edit: Fresno fans need to get your SID to make a google search for Boyd Grant come up as the first selection. Great coach.

 

[infantrycak]

Our offense was stalled because of our passing game against Philly, Indy, and Washington.

I guess to some it is fun to just make crud up on the fly.

 

[thunderkyss]

I guess to some it is fun to just make crud up on the fly.

you of all people shouldn't have to guess.

 

[infantrycak]

you of all people shouldn't have to guess.

Dude--Kubiak, every OLmen, the RB's, the WR's, etc. have all acknowledged the lack of a running game and how it is lagging the passing game. Whatever--I guess you with your 3.2 yds and a cloud of dust is pretty good and your dysfunctional stop watch which runs at a completely different speed than the one on the game tape know better.

 

[Vinny]

Dude--Kubiak, every OLmen, the RB's, the WR's, etc. have all acknowledged the lack of a running game and how it is lagging the passing game. Whatever--I guess you with your 3.2 yds and a cloud of dust is pretty good and your dysfunctional stop watch which runs at a completely different speed than the one on the game tape know better.

 

[thunderkyss]

First two plays of the Indy game

Houston Texans at 14:53
1-10-HOU25 (14:53) D.Carr sacked at HST 17 for -8 yards (R.Mathis).
Indianapolis Colts at 14:20
2-18-IND16 (14:20) D.Carr FUMBLES (Aborted) at HST 16, RECOVERED by IND-R.Brock at HST 16. R.Brock to HST 16 for no gain (D.Carr).

second possesion of the Indy game

Houston Texans at 12:43
1-10-HOU24 (12:43) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 24 for no gain (G.Brackett, R.Mathis).
2-10-HOU24 (12:04) D.Carr sacked at HST 16 for -8 yards (R.Mathis). FUMBLES (R.Mathis), recovered by HST-Z.Wiegert at HST 17. Z.Wiegert to HST 17 for no gain (C.June). Minus 8 sack yards.
3-17-HOU17 (11:25) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 25 for 8 yards (G.Brackett, M.Jackson).
4-9-HOU25 (10:56) C.Stanley punts 38 yards to IND 37, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by T.Wilkins.

Unless Carr gets sacked while handing the ball off, I consider that part of the passing game.

Our third possession, against Indy

Houston Texans at 08:09
1-10-HOU44 (8:09) R.Dayne left guard to HST 47 for 3 yards (R.Brock).
2-7-HOU47 (7:35) R.Dayne up the middle to IND 45 for 8 yards (C.June, B.Sanders).
1-10-IND45 (6:59) R.Dayne right guard to IND 37 for 8 yards (C.June).
2-2-IND37 (6:24) R.Dayne up the middle to IND 40 for -3 yards (Da.Reid).
3-5-IND40 (5:47) D.Carr pass short right to E.Moulds to IND 34 for 6 yards (N.Harper).
1-10-IND34 (5:14) W.Lundy up the middle to IND 32 for 2 yards (G.Brackett).
2-8-IND32 (4:38) D.Carr pass short middle to E.Shepherd to IND 25 for 7 yards (B.Sanders).
3-1-IND25 (4:02) W.Lundy up the middle to IND 23 for 2 yards (D.Klecko).
1-10-IND23 (3:29) W.Lundy left guard to IND 19 for 4 yards (M.Reagor). FUMBLES (M.Reagor), RECOVERED by IND-M.Reagor at IND 19. M.Reagor to IND 19 for no gain (W.Lundy).

Okay, that's one for the run game, two against the passing game.

4th possession

Houston Texans at 11:58
1-10-HOU20 (11:58) R.Dayne right tackle to HST 26 for 6 yards (R.Mathis).
2-4-HOU26 (11:21) D.Carr pass short middle to O.Daniels to HST 31 for 5 yards (G.Brackett).
1-10-HOU31 (10:49) R.Dayne up the middle to HST 36 for 5 yards (G.Brackett).
2-5-HOU36 (10:13) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
PENALTY on HST-J.Cook, Chop Block, 15 yards, enforced at HST 36 - No Play.
2-20-HOU21 (10:09) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to HST 25 for 4 yards (C.June).
3-16-HOU25 (9:33) D.Carr pass incomplete short middle to O.Daniels (C.June).
4-16-HOU25 (9:28) C.Stanley punts 38 yards to IND 37, Center-B.Pittman. T.Wilkins to IND 44 for 7 yards (T.Evans).
PENALTY on IND-M.Giordano, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at IND 44.

1st down, 5 yards from the run game, on two occasions. Penalty.... okay, that's part of the run game. But a short 4 yard pass on 2-20?? then the pass to OwenDaniels was a 5 yard pass on 3-16?? WTF??

5th possession, we score a field goal. about 50 yards on short passes, and a 7 yard run by SamkonGado.

6th possession

Houston Texans at 08:07
1-10-HOU20 (8:07) R.Dayne up the middle to HST 20 for no gain (D.Freeney). HST-C.Spencer was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
2-10-HOU20 (7:50) D.Carr pass short right to J.Cook to HST 21 for 1 yard (N.Harper).
3-9-HOU21 (7:14) D.Carr scrambles right end to HST 23 for 2 yards (R.Mathis).
4-7-HOU23 (6:36) C.Stanley punts 43 yards to IND 34, Center-B.Pittman. T.Wilkins to IND 45 for 11 yards (B.Pittman).

You decide...... I'm thinking failure of the passing game.

7th possession

Houston Texans at 03:12
1-10-HOU21 (3:12) S.Gado right end to HST 23 for 2 yards (G.Brackett).
2-8-HOU23 (2:46) (No Huddle) D.Carr pass short middle to S.Gado to HST 26 for 3 yards (G.Gardner, G.Brackett).
3-5-HOU26 (2:08) D.Carr sacked at HST 20 for -6 yards (R.Brock). FUMBLES (R.Brock), and recovers at HST 23. D.Carr to HST 23 for no gain (G.Brackett). Minus 3 sack yards.
4-8-HOU23 (1:44) C.Stanley punts 46 yards to IND 31, Center-B.Pittman. T.Wilkins pushed ob at IND 31 for no gain.
PENALTY on HST-J.Simmons, Illegal Motion, 5 yards, enforced between downs.

3rd & 5....... sacked again...... ring another one up for the passing game.

eight possession, we score on a 33 yard pass to Owen Daniels.... most of the drive is through the air.

9th possession, a big 27 yard run by SamkonGado sets up the touchdown

10th possession, another touchdown...... most of the drive through the air. there was only one rushing attempt by Lundy for 9 yards.

I'm counting 5 of 6 possesions we failed to score on against the passing game. How do you count it??

 

[thunderkyss]

1st possesion against Washington... after two successfull 3.2 yard runs and a cloud of dust, Carr hits Aj on a play action pass (set up by the previous 3.2 yard & dust thingy) for a big touchdown.

2nd possession

Houston Texans at 08:37
1-10-HOU21 (8:37) R.Dayne right guard to HST 22 for 1 yard (C.Griffin).
2-9-HOU22 (7:59) D.Carr pass short middle to R.Dayne to HST 35 for 13 yards (C.Rogers).
1-10-HOU35 (7:23) D.Carr pass short left to A.Johnson to HST 42 for 7 yards (C.Rogers).
2-3-HOU42 (6:48) D.Carr to HST 42 for no gain. FUMBLES, recovered by HST-C.Pitts at HST 42. C.Pitts to HST 42 for no gain (W.Holdman).
3-3-HOU42 (6:14) D.Carr sacked at HST 34 for -8 yards (sack split by K.Golston and L.Marshall).
4-11-HOU34 (5:46) C.Stanley punts 40 yards to WAS 26, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by A.Randle El.

Passing game failure...... big time beggining with the QB fumble.

Third possession

Houston Texans at 14:45
1-10-HOU29 (14:45) D.Carr FUMBLES (Aborted) at HST 29, and recovers at HST 29.
2-11-HOU29 (14:20) D.Carr pass incomplete to R.Dayne (L.Marshall).
3-11-HOU29 (14:13) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson.
PENALTY on WAS-M.Rumph, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at HST 29 - No Play.
1-10-HOU34 (14:02) R.Dayne left end to HST 37 for 3 yards (A.Montgomery).
PENALTY on WAS-W.Holdman, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at HST 37.
1-2-HOU42 (13:40) D.Carr pass incomplete deep middle to A.Johnson (C.Rogers).
2-2-HOU42 (13:39) R.Dayne up the middle to HST 49 for 7 yards (M.Washington, L.Marshall).
1-10-HOU49 (13:10) R.Dayne right guard to WAS 47 for 4 yards (C.Griffin).
2-6-WAS47 (13:10) PENALTY on HST-C.Pitts, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 47 - No Play.
2-11-HOU48 (12:18) R.Dayne right end to WAS 45 for 7 yards (W.Holdman).
3-4-WAS45 (11:36) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to O.Daniels (M.Washington).
4-4-WAS45 (11:29) C.Stanley punts 35 yards to WAS 10, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by A.Randle El. (Punt hang time 5.4 seconds.)

QB fumble, incomplete, incomplete, run, incomplete, run, run, incomplete

I'm putting that one on the passing game. that's 2.

4th possession

Houston Texans at 09:04
1-10-HOU29 (9:04) R.Dayne right guard to HST 34 for 5 yards (D.Evans).
2-5-HOU34 (8:29) D.Carr pass short left to E.Moulds to HST 40 for 6 yards (C.Rogers).
1-10-HOU40 (7:56) R.Dayne right tackle to HST 40 for no gain (C.Griffin; M.Washington).
2-10-HOU40 (7:25) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to O.Daniels (A.Archuleta).
3-10-HOU40 (7:18) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson pushed ob at 50 for 10 yards (C.Rogers).
1-10-50 (6:50) PENALTY on HST-Z.Wiegert, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
1-20-HOU40 (6:18) D.Carr pass short left to J.Putzier to WAS 48 for 12 yards (L.Marshall, C.Rogers).
2-8-WAS48 (5:45) S.Gado left guard to WAS 48 for no gain (W.Holdman).
3-8-WAS48 (5:07) D.Carr pass incomplete to E.Moulds (M.Washington). WAS-A.Carter was injured during the play.
4-8-WAS48 (5:02) C.Stanley punts 34 yards to WAS 14, Center-B.Pittman. A.Randle El pushed ob at WAS 18 for 4 yards (J.Simmons). (Punt hang time 4.4 seconds.)

a few incompletes in there. a holding in the run game, and a no gainer on a run play...... I'll mark this one down as an ineffective run possession, even though the RBs did their job.

5th possession..... to start the third Qtr

Houston Texans at 14:53
1-10-HOU19 (14:53) R.Dayne right guard to HST 21 for 2 yards (L.Marshall, W.Holdman).
2-8-HOU21 (14:26) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to J.Putzier (C.Griffin).
3-8-HOU21 (14:21) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson.
4-8-HOU21 (14:15) C.Stanley punts 49 yards to WAS 30, Center-B.Pittman, downed by HST-D.Polk. (Punt hang time 5.6 seconds.)

you know I'm going to put this one on the Passing game.... 3..... running game 1.

6th possession.

Houston Texans at 05:29
1-10-HOU18 (5:29) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to HST 21 for 3 yards (K.Wright).
2-7-HOU21 (5:29) PENALTY on HST-J.Putzier, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 21 - No Play.
2-12-HOU16 (4:56) D.Carr pass short left to A.Johnson pushed ob at HST 29 for 13 yards (S.Taylor).
1-10-HOU29 (4:29) D.Carr pass short middle to E.Moulds to HST 38 for 9 yards (W.Holdman, C.Rogers).
2-1-HOU38 (4:00) R.Dayne right tackle to HST 38 for no gain (P.Daniels, C.Griffin).
3-1-HOU38 (3:29) R.Dayne up the middle to HST 40 for 2 yards (P.Daniels).
1-10-HOU40 (2:55) D.Carr pass short right to A.Johnson to HST 47 for 7 yards (S.Taylor, W.Holdman).
2-3-HOU47 (2:23) D.Carr pass short left to E.Moulds pushed ob at WAS 46 for 7 yards (A.Archuleta).
1-10-WAS46 (1:58) D.Carr scrambles to WAS 43 for 3 yards (A.Montgomery). FUMBLES (A.Montgomery), RECOVERED by WAS-K.Golston at WAS 39. K.Golston to WAS 39 for no gain (M.Bruener).

it was a fumbled run..... I'll blame this one on the Running game, but you know what's what...... Passing game 3, Running game 2

7th possession... touchdown pass. Only two runs, one for 11 yards, and one for 5 yards on 2nd & 10.

8th possesion.

Houston Texans at 05:01
1-10-HOU27 (5:01) D.Carr pass to E.Moulds to HST 32 for 5 yards (L.Marshall).
2-5-HOU32 (4:39) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson to WAS 48 for 20 yards (W.Holdman).
1-10-WAS48 (4:10) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson to WAS 39 for 9 yards (C.Rogers).
2-1-WAS39 (3:37) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson to WAS 30 for 9 yards (C.Rogers).
1-10-WAS30 (2:59) D.Carr pass intended for K.Walter INTERCEPTED by K.Wright at WAS 0. Touchback.

not one run attempted.



Passing game 4... Run game 2*


* designate a run by the QB after the QB couldn't find anyone to throw the ball to.

 

[thunderkyss]

First possession against Philly. Mostly through the air. Wali Lundy(I don't know why he started) 4 carries for 8 yards.

Second possession

Houston Texans at 06:18
1-10-HOU19 (6:18) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson pushed ob at HST 30 for 11 yards (J.Trotter).
1-10-HOU30 (5:48) V.Morency left end to HST 29 for -1 yards (S.Brown).
2-11-HOU29 (5:12) D.Carr pass incomplete short middle to J.Putzier (M.Patterson).
3-11-HOU29 (5:05) V.Morency right guard to HST 26 for -3 yards (S.Barber).
4-14-HOU26 (4:27) C.Stanley punts 48 yards to PHI 26, Center-B.Pittman. B.Westbrook to PHI 31 for 5 yards (R.Alexander, C.Anderson). (Punt hang time 5.0 seconds.)

Run game...

3rd Possession

Houston Texans at 01:40
1-10-HOU40 (1:40) D.Carr pass short middle to W.Lundy to HST 35 for -5 yards (M.McCoy).
2-15-HOU35 (1:06) W.Lundy left end to HST 34 for -1 yards (D.Howard).
3-16-HOU34 (:32) D.Carr pass short right to A.Johnson pushed ob at HST 40 for 6 yards (R.Hood).

Run game

4th Possession

Houston Texans at 11:01
1-10-HOU20 (11:01) D.Carr pass deep middle to A.Johnson to HST 42 for 22 yards (M.Lewis).
1-10-HOU42 (10:22) V.Morency right tackle to HST 44 for 2 yards (B.Bunkley).
2-8-HOU44 (9:51) D.Carr pass short right to V.Morency to 50 for 6 yards (J.Trotter) [B.Bunkley].
3-2-50 (9:15) V.Morency right tackle to PHI 47 for 3 yards (B.Bunkley).
1-10-PHI47 (8:40) D.Carr sacked at 50 for -3 yards (J.Thomas).
2-13-50 (8:10) PENALTY on HST-C.Spencer, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
2-18-HOU45 (7:55) D.Carr pass to K.Walter to PHI 47 for 8 yards (M.McCoy). FUMBLES (M.McCoy), recovered by HST-S.McKinney at PHI 44. S.McKinney to PHI 44 for no gain (J.Trotter).
3-7-PHI44 (7:55) D.Carr sacked at HST 49 for -7 yards (T.Cole).
4-14-HOU49 (7:55) (Punt formation)
PENALTY on HST-C.Stanley, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at HST 49 - No Play.
4-19-HOU44 (6:07) C.Stanley punts 31 yards to PHI 25, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by B.Westbrook.

fumbles & sacks out of the passing game.

5th possession..... field goal.... still poor running by WaliLundy & sacking of David Carr

6th possession......

Houston Texans at 11:28
1-10-HOU17 (11:28) PENALTY on PHI-M.Patterson, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at HST 17 - No Play.
1-5-HOU22 (11:23) W.Lundy right guard to HST 25 for 3 yards (M.McCoy, J.Trotter).
2-2-HOU25 (10:52) W.Lundy left guard to HST 27 for 2 yards (M.Patterson).
1-10-HOU27 (10:19) D.Carr pass incomplete to E.Moulds.
PENALTY on PHI-M.Lewis, Defensive Pass Interference, 15 yards, enforced at HST 27 - No Play.
1-10-HOU42 (10:11) D.Carr pass short left to E.Moulds to HST 45 for 3 yards (M.McCoy).
2-7-HOU45 (9:38) W.Lundy right end to PHI 44 for 11 yards (M.McCoy).
1-10-PHI44 (9:02) D.Carr pass short middle to W.Lundy to PHI 40 for 4 yards (D.Howard, J.Trotter).
2-6-PHI40 (8:30) D.Carr pass incomplete short right.
3-6-PHI40 (8:22) D.Carr sacked at 50 for -10 yards (J.Kearse).
4-16-50 (7:46) C.Stanley punts 42 yards to PHI 8, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by B.Westbrook. (Punt hang time 4.8 seconds.)

Passing game



7th possession....

Houston Texans at 04:57
1-10-HOU38 (4:57) D.Carr pass short left to A.Johnson pushed ob at HST 43 for 5 yards (B.Dawkins).
2-5-HOU43 (4:32) D.Carr sacked at HST 35 for -8 yards (T.Cole). (HST #8 Carr tripped over lineman's feet, and attempted to get up and pass.)
3-13-HOU35 (4:01) D.Carr pass incomplete to O.Daniels (T.Cole).
4-13-HOU35 (3:56) C.Stanley punts 47 yards to PHI 18, Center-B.Pittman. B.Westbrook to PHI 27 for 9 yards (D.Polk). (Punt hang time 5.3 seconds.)

Passing game

8th possession

Houston Texans at 12:41
1-10-HOU22 (12:41) D.Carr pass short right to E.Moulds to HST 30 for 8 yards (M.McCoy; R.Hood).
2-2-HOU30 (12:17) W.Lundy up the middle to HST 37 for 7 yards (M.McCoy).
1-10-HOU37 (11:44) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson to 50 for 13 yards (M.McCoy).
1-10-50 (11:25) D.Carr pass incomplete to W.Lundy.
2-10-50 (11:19) D.Carr pass incomplete to J.Putzier.
3-10-50 (11:15) D.Carr scrambles to PHI 34 for 16 yards (S.Considine).
1-10-PHI34 (10:35) D.Carr pass short middle to E.Moulds to PHI 23 for 11 yards (B.Dawkins).
1-10-PHI23 (10:09) W.Lundy right guard to PHI 19 for 4 yards (B.Bunkley).
2-6-PHI19 (9:33) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to J.Putzier (M.Lewis).
3-6-PHI19 (9:26) D.Carr scrambles right end ran ob at PHI 17 for 2 yards (M.Patterson).
4-4-PHI17 (9:00) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson (S.Considine).

Passing game......

Passing game 4, running game 2.

but I'm just making this stuff up..... you can find all playbyplays on nfl.com

 

[thunderkyss]

Dude--Kubiak, every OLmen, the RB's, the WR's, etc. have all acknowledged the lack of a running game and how it is lagging the passing game. Whatever--I guess you with your 3.2 yds and a cloud of dust is pretty good and your dysfunctional stop watch which runs at a completely different speed than the one on the game tape know better.

by the way, how long is too long, and how long did it take (on Avg) for their QB to get rid of the ball, and how long (on avg) did it take our QB to get rid of the ball..... using your stopwatch??

 

[thunderkyss]

Are you taking into consideration how long did it for their recievers to get open, and how long did it take our recievers to get open?

If they weren't open, Manning would run for the first down, or throw it away.
Mcnabb would run for the first down, make a play downfield, or throw it away.

 

[tsip]

Are you taking into consideration how long did it for their recievers to get open, and how long did it take our recievers to get open?

...please,please don't drop a 'needle in the hay stack' and get him started all over again--good thing we don't get charged for our personal use of bandwidth!!!!!!!!

 

[TK_Gamer]

and once again someone disects a game out of context of what the other team was doing to us. gee wiz I guess if we mostly passed the ball then any failure or breakdown could be credited to the passing game. oh wait, the other team has a defense, maybe we should credit some of it to them.

Nahhhhh..

 

[TK_Gamer]

What is it going to take for you guys to understand that Carr did indeed suck. He is playing better now, because he wasn't playing better before. Kubiak has mentioned that he took David back to square one. He went back to working on his footwork, his technique, and his decision making. He has criticized Carr's play through every game with concern to his consistency in Qtrs 2 & 3.

Everything that Carr has been criticized for by the Haters, are the same things Carr has been criticized for by Kubiak.

So far, the only thing the Haters have been wrong about, was that David will never be any good....... which we may not see one way or the other, until David is in a situation where he should fall apart. Kinda like JakePlummer getting pumelled by the Steelers(??) in the playoffs.. where he reverted to the old Jake, and is still playing like the old Jake.

and once again my whole wordy semi-informative post is ignored and the only point that can be made is Carr sucks. I love it.

I never said Carr was the best thing since peanut butter and jelly, I just think we got a whole lot more pressing problems than our starting QB.