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Carr's Win

Scooter said:
every deep ball he's thrown has been with a hand on him, or a big hit as it leaves his hand. even last week's great play action on the first drive had carr getting grabbed from behind. given the circumstances, i'd say he's doing alright. i think he's being told to get some loft on the ball for the exact reason we saw earlier. andre johnson, even in double coverage, is likely to come down with it. if AJ doesnt, nobody does.
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This is really getting sickening........... Carr played well. We got a win. So everybody is all, "Carr had a great game"

truth of the matter is he didn't. He's had his same avg game as he's always had.

He's got a long way to go, and I hope Kubiak isn't as easily satisfied as some of you guys.

Porky said:
Carr is (so far) playing his best season of football. No question about it.
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Statistically he is having his best season.... realistically, he's protected the ball, and hit wide open recievers,
Porky said:
He looks like a real NFL QB out there.
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TrentDilferish........
Porky said:
He isn't as good as his rating indicates, but to me, he looks like a middle of the pack honest to goodness NFL QB out there. And, we can win with that version of DC as long as he has weapons and time to throw.
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We could win with any QB if we give him time & give him the weapons we have.
Porky said:
He needs to be a lot more consistent, especially with his deep passes, but does anyone really want to go back to the dump it off to the RB every play of last year,
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I have no problem with the dinks & dunks. But if those Dinks & Dunks don't turn into big yards, he's got to realize he's got big plays behind the LBs.
Porky said:
or the Carr who is finding AJ and Moulds all over the field, incorporting his TE's and his backs, etc.
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I have to go back to watch this game....... for our three previous games, Carr hasn't really been "finding" anyone other than the dumpoff as usual..... first read, find the dump off.....

he's done well on occasion, but we can't say that this aspect of Carr's game has come to fruition just yet.
Porky said:
This version of Carr gets a solid B from me. And he is doing all of this with no running game.
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He's doing it because they are worried about our running game. His walk into the endzone...... Dayne hasn't failed us on a third & short yet...... His big play to open the Washington game?? Yeah, they were looking for Dayne.

Hopefully, David's done enough to back Dallas up a bit, and allow us to run the ball. If they dare David to beat them, with Newman & Henry, we might not do too well.
Porky said:
Kudos to the coaches, and kudos for Carr for taking the coaching. Just needs work on his deep ball, his pocket presence, and fumbling/snap exchanges.
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He needs to work on his decision making most of all. Right now, his thinking is in Ball protection...... which is fine, hopefully that will become second nature, and he won't have to think about that so much...... he needs to think about game management, taking what the defense gives him, and setting them up for the big play. Football is only a physicall game on the surface.. Like Chess. Learning how the pieces move, & protecting your King is begginer, intemediate kind of stuff. Strategy... that's where the game is won.
 
Yeah, Kubi-Carr really looks like they're really getting it rolling (awful punn I know). I was really down on Carr after the horrible preseason he had, but now he is looking great. It's great to see Kubiak and Carr's hard work pay off.

What really excites me is that we are finally seeing things from Carr that we haven't seen before. Stepping up into the blitz and making plays, throwing the ball downfield, converting 3rd and long, all that stuff. While it's a bit early to say his pocket presence is even decent, it's been improved drastically. And what about the knock on him not being able to read coverages eh? He's doing good so far, and he's putting those balls into some tight places too. And the great part is that I think he has a very high ceiling. He can get a LOT better.

And it's good to not see stupid crap from him as well (tripping over lineman, fumbled snaps ect.).
 
Second Honeymoon said:
What is there to debate? Carr got the ball stripped and fumbled.

That being said, the interception was not his fault as AJ got the ball stripped before he could make a 'football move'.

Carr is having a QB renaissance of sorts this year and its a great thing to behold. However, he is having trouble with fumblelitis this year and hopefully he can correct that soon. Kubes is doing wonders for him and putting him in the right spots as well. Kubes knows Carr's weaknesses and is avoiding them while accenting his developing strengths. If I saw Kubiak at a bar right now, I would buy him a drink and thank him.

Doug From The Woodlands
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Me too!!!! I am just an all around homer. I have always been a Carr homer, and now I believe Kubes is our hero. LOL

And Doug, you are so positive in your latest postings. I'm proud of you.:francis:
 
blockhead83 said:
Otherwise, Carr looks great and we rode his shoulders to this win today.
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17-15 Houston.

That is not riding the QBs shoulder, especially when the game was won on Defense.

Carr didn't do anything extra-ordinary yesterday.
 
thunderkyss said:
17-15 Houston.

That is not riding the QBs shoulder, especially when the game was won on Defense.

Carr didn't do anything extra-ordinary yesterday.
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uhhh....last week you were all...."the offense needs to stay on the field longer so the defense can breathe"....and now that the offense does that "it was won by defense"....The defense had some good moments, but honestly they almost gave the game away...how many first downs did we run for yesterday??? How many did we pass for??? Carr played a very good game....Despite our non-existing running game....David carried the offense...period....If our passing game was our strongest point...Is the QB not part of that ???
 
Goldeagle said:
Great TEAM win, Carr played well and a few of us knew it, others wont EVER give him credit
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I think we all agree Carr played well. We just don't agree that Carr put the team on his shoulders & won the game.

His good play behind the line was met by equally good plays of our recievers..... & our defense got off the field when they were supposed to.

RonnieBrown only had 60 yards rushing, or something like that.
 
I am sooo excited for Carr! THis had to be his year, and if Kubes couldn't do it, then it probably wouldn't ever happen, but it is working. Not perfect yet, but it is working. Now if we can just hold our own with the Cowgirls......
 
Dime said:
I have always bashed Carr the last few years and for good reason.. This year he has shown significant improvement. He is not awesome, but he is doing much better. MUCH more poise, and a good deal of accuracy. There are times he still needs work on things, but I am quite happy how he has progressed this year compared to last.. All I ask for is improvement, and he has shown it.. so I am happy.
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Again, the pass to Moulds, where the diving corner knocked it down, was behind Moulds, and should've been an Int..... he needs to lead Eric on that one, it would have been a first, and then some.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
What is there to debate? Carr got the ball stripped and fumbled.


Doug From The Woodlands
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The really good QBs "feel" that sort of pressure....... most would be extra aware of Pressure coming from the left side, when we just put our 3rd LT of the season into the game.

Other QBs step up, Carr gets stripped.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think we all agree Carr played well. We just don't agree that Carr put the team on his shoulders & won the game.

His good play behind the line was met by equally good plays of our recievers..... & our defense got off the field when they were supposed to.

RonnieBrown only had 60 yards rushing, or something like that.
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Honestly I think any way you can spin it you will try...Carr had a very good game...There isn't any way around that...

Look at it Logically...Where is Miami strongest??? Defense...Pro-bowlers galore....

Did we run the ball successfuly??? No...

Did D.Carr carry the offense...uhhh...yeah....
 
It's good to see some have moved from the transparent "damning with faint praise" to more straightforward animadversion.
 
thunderkyss said:
The really good QBs "feel" that sort of pressure....... most would be extra aware of Pressure coming from the left side, when we just put our 3rd LT of the season into the game.

Other QBs step up, Carr gets stripped.
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C'mon you are being ree-dic-u-lous...So other QB's never fumble??? or get stripped???? LMAO....

It wasn't joe tedman from brown state...It was freakin Jason Taylor...If anything you can blame that on the playcalling for isolating Bedell or whoever it was on Jason Taylor....they should have chipped him or put a TE on his side to help him out...
 
In watching the game again. Carr had arguably his best game, in my eyes, as a Texan. Saying he won this game for the Texans is ridiculous, but he definitely contributed to a win which is something we have not said in a long time. As a Texan fan that gives me the warm and fuzzies.

Edit: the fake at the goal line was classic. Hopefully that will become one of many signature plays by Carr.
 
BradK10 said:
Vinny, not to point a finger just at you, but in years past people would call for David to just "throw it up" for AJ and let his athletic ability take over. Now, he does that, AJ overpowers guys, and now he's "struggling with the deep ball?"

I'm in the field of "I'll take my chances with AJ one on one" on deep balls. We saw why today.
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It's the frequency that he does it.

Culpepper gets knocked, because he throw those jump balls to Moss.

Then, in the Washington game, those were just underthrown.......... can't even be considered jumpballs. In Yesterday's game at least AJ had position to make a play on the ball. Against Washington.... no.All he could do was play DB.

Did anyone notice how frustrated AJ was yesterday?? Several times, he'd slam the ball into the ground, and was just upset. He was having to reach back, jump, and get balls, or he was led into a DB..... with better placement, AJ could have had a really big day.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think we all agree Carr played well. We just don't agree that Carr put the team on his shoulders & won the game.

His good play behind the line was met by equally good plays of our recievers..... & our defense got off the field when they were supposed to.

RonnieBrown only had 60 yards rushing, or something like that.
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Yea he did but you can argue about it for another 5 days if you like.

The play that showed me and started it was the deep out to Eric Moulds on the 2nd drive of the 2 half, that ball was great! Blitz came Oline and RBs picked it up, Carr had to put it in the right spot and it was, perfect ball, that started the 14 point snow ball.

That Defense was not in garbage time either............:rolleyes:
 
thunderkyss said:
This is really getting sickening........... Carr played well. We got a win. So everybody is all, "Carr had a great game"

truth of the matter is he didn't. He's had his same avg game as he's always had.

He's got a long way to go, and I hope Kubiak isn't as easily satisfied as some of you guys..
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:shocked
thunderkyss said:
Statistically he is having his best season.... realistically, he's protected the ball, and hit wide open recievers,

TrentDilferish........ .
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:shocked

thunderkyss said:
We could win with any QB if we give him time & give him the weapons we have.

I have no problem with the dinks & dunks. But if those Dinks & Dunks don't turn into big yards, he's got to realize he's got big plays behind the LBs.



I have to go back to watch this game....... for our three previous games, Carr hasn't really been "finding" anyone other than the dumpoff as usual..... first read, find the dump off..... .
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West Coast Offense....Joe Montana....Steve Young.....Five Super-Bowls....Anyone?

thunderkyss said:
he's done well on occasion, but we can't say that this aspect of Carr's game has come to fruition just yet.
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Huh?
thunderkyss said:
He's doing it because they are worried about our running game. His walk into the endzone...... Dayne hasn't failed us on a third & short yet...... His big play to open the Washington game?? Yeah, they were looking for Dayne.

Hopefully, David's done enough to back Dallas up a bit, and allow us to run the ball. If they dare David to beat them, with Newman & Henry, we might not do too well..
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Thats right, your a Cowboy fan and live in Dallas. Almost forgot.

thunderkyss said:
He needs to work on his decision making most of all. Right now, his thinking is in Ball protection...... which is fine, hopefully that will become second nature, and he won't have to think about that so much...... he needs to think about game management, taking what the defense gives him, and setting them up for the big play. Football is only a physicall game on the surface.. Like Chess. Learning how the pieces move, & protecting your King is begginer, intemediate kind of stuff. Strategy... that's where the game is won.
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I remember him getting blasted when people heard him say he would rather get sacked then throw a pick. Two straight and looking like a third straight year Carr has thrown more TD's then picks.

I would have to say he is already conscience about protecting the ball.
 
geofb said:
Unfortunately, even if David does make it to the Pro Bowl, the many Carr-haters on this board will probably find fault with his play in that game too.
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Cullpepper's made it to the ProBowl, still he has critics....... why should it be different for David??
 
There was a third and super long the Texans had at about their own 39 yard line or so and Kubiak called a run up the middle. This was obviously conceding the first down and setting up the punt team to kick the Dolphins deep, and some bonehead a few rows behind me booed and said, "Carr you suck. You should have thrown the ball."

This is just one of many dumb things I have heard people say about this football team. That is the kind of uninformed football fan that just makes me shake my head in frustration. He actually believes Carr can audible to pass in that situation! Kubiak would kill him if he did that.

All of that being said, if you are still on the start Sage Rosenfels or we should have drafted vince opinion, you aren't allowing your eyes to see all of the strides David has made the last few weeks.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
uhhh....last week you were all...."the offense needs to stay on the field longer so the defense can breathe"....and now that the offense does that "it was won by defense"....The defense had some good moments, but honestly they almost gave the game away...how many first downs did we run for yesterday??? How many did we pass for??? Carr played a very good game....Despite our non-existing running game....David carried the offense...period....If our passing game was our strongest point...Is the QB not part of that ???
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They were doing what they were supposed to do. Our Defense forced How many punts?? You don't see me going crazy about how well our defense did. Sacking Cullpepper 5 times is par for the course.

Did David buy anytime for our recievers to get open?? did he throw the ball into any small windows??

David had a good game, but it came down to a defensive play to seal the win. If it were a game winning drive, I'd lean more towards an offensive win. But with this low score, & the defensive effort, I'm leaning towards a defensive win. I believe it was a team win, with a strong lean towards defense.

Last week, our offense let us down just as much as our defense. Check the stats of the washington/jacksonville game. That was failure by the defense, with the offense trying their darndest to win the game inspite of their D.
 
Trade'06pick said:
This was obviously conceding the first down and setting up the punt team to kick the Dolphins deep, and some bonehead a few rows behind me booed and said, "Carr you suck. You should have thrown the ball."
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We either sit near each other or there was another dee, dee, dee saying the same thing near me. He was competing for dumbest heckler of the year award with the guy down the row from me yelling at a white guy on the sideline as "hey stupid GM that didn't take Bush"--and no the white guy bore no resemblence to Casserly.
 
TEXANRED said:
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I remember him getting blasted when people heard him say he would rather get sacked then throw a pick. Two straight and looking like a third straight year Carr has thrown more TD's then picks.

I would have to say he is already conscience about protecting the ball.
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He's been coached extensively on this I believe. He must believe an NFL QB never gets benched for getting sacked whereas he'll get benched faster than anything throwing picks.

I have heard for 4 years now about Carr's cannon arm. Why just last night Tim Melton was heard to comment about how Carr was able to make a throw across his body out in the flat and how much arm strength that throw takes. No doubt he got it there in time. Now here's my question. Is arm strength measured in different ways? Carr has good lateral strength to zip the pass on the out routes. But he's usually throwing out of his shoes and behind the wide receiver on the fly or post pattern. Yesterday A.Johnson adjusted his route and caught the underthrown ball but I seem to recall more than one being thrown like this. At least one in the Redskins game was underthrown the same way. Yeah he was hit when he released but watch the other post throws. He's short on them. Carson Palmer wouldn't be short on those passes. Just saying.

Carr played another careful, managed game yesterday. Man is he the anti-Bret Farve or what? For every stupid chance Farve takes, Carr pulls the ball in and takes the sack. I wish we could find a happy balance. Carr is just so darn conservative. I know that is a winner in the conservative NFL but still.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Honestly I think any way you can spin it you will try...Carr had a very good game...There isn't any way around that...

Look at it Logically...Where is Miami strongest??? Defense...Pro-bowlers galore....

Did we run the ball successfuly??? No...

Did D.Carr carry the offense...uhhh...yeah....
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Carr did what he does against a good defense........ he wasn't great, he wasn't horrible.

When Carr does have a great game against a great D, then we can have a Carr coming out party. Doing it now, is premature.
 
thunderkyss said:
They were doing what they were supposed to do. Our Defense forced How many punts?? You don't see me going crazy about how well our defense did. Sacking Cullpepper 5 times is par for the course.

Did David buy anytime for our recievers to get open?? did he throw the ball into any small windows??

David had a good game, but it came down to a defensive play to seal the win. If it were a game winning drive, I'd lean more towards an offensive win. But with this low score, & the defensive effort, I'm leaning towards a defensive win. I believe it was a team win, with a strong lean towards defense.

Last week, our offense let us down just as much as our defense. Check the stats of the washington/jacksonville game. That was failure by the defense, with the offense trying their darndest to win the game inspite of their D.
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Well ya, after it was the D that let the Dolphins march down the field on them for a last minute score.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
C'mon you are being ree-dic-u-lous...So other QB's never fumble??? or get stripped???? LMAO....

It wasn't joe tedman from brown state...It was freakin Jason Taylor...If anything you can blame that on the playcalling for isolating Bedell or whoever it was on Jason Taylor....they should have chipped him or put a TE on his side to help him out...
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We blame the QB for that fumble regardless who it is. Saying that is not David's fault is the only thing I'm saying.

Someone said you can't blame that one on David, I'm saying we should, since we give it to every other Qb who fumbles in that situation.
 
infantrycak said:
We either sit near each other or there was another dee, dee, dee saying the same thing near me. He was competing for dumbest heckler of the year award with the guy down the row from me yelling at a white guy on the sideline as "hey stupid GM that didn't take Bush"--and no the white guy bore no resemblence to Casserly.
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113?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
In watching the game again. Carr had arguably his best game, in my eyes, as a Texan. Saying he won this game for the Texans is ridiculous, but he definitely contributed to a win which is something we have not said in a long time. As a Texan fan that gives me the warm and fuzzies.

Edit: the fake at the goal line was classic. Hopefully that will become one of many signature plays by Carr.
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This is the most realistic view of the game (Carr's game) so far.
 
kingh99 said:
HIs arm strength measured in different ways? Carr has good lateral strength to zip the pass on the out routes. But he's usually throwing out of his shoes and behind the wide receiver on the fly or post pattern. Yesterday A.Johnson adjusted his route and caught the underthrown ball but I seem to recall more than one being thrown like this. At least one in the Redskins game was underthrown the same way. Yeah he was hit when he released but watch the other post throws. He's short on them. Carson Palmer wouldn't be short on those passes. Just saying.
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In past seasons Carr has frequently overthrown the deep ball and has not put enough air under it making it tough for the WR to adjust and easier for the DB to defend. It appears Kubiak has been working with Carr on putting more air under the ball this year.
 
kingh99 said:
Yesterday A.Johnson adjusted his route and caught the underthrown ball but I seem to recall more than one being thrown like this.
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I'm pretty sure that is the play where Carr got drilled from a rush up the middle just after releasing the ball. He couldn't really step into the throw. I'm working on memory here - correct me if I'm wrong.

Underthrows to big physical receivers often work well anyway.
 
Runner said:
I'm pretty sure that is the play where Carr got drilled from a rush up the middle just after releasing the ball. He couldn't really step into the throw. I'm working on memory here - correct me if I'm wrong.

Underthrows to big physical receivers often work well anyway.
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Any time Carr throws the ball down the field more than 20 yards an Angel in Heaven gets their wings. I could care less at this moment in time if it is underthrown or not. AJ gets paid a lot of money to go up and get those balls, just like we pay Carr plenty of money to throw somethting other than a pass under 5 yards.

Keep them coming - long passes, passes to the TE down the seam, roll-outs, play action, etc. Carr is showing the NFL that he can run and execute this playbook, which makes everyone on the offense harder to account for.
 
Runner said:
I'm pretty sure that is the play where Carr got drilled from a rush up the middle just after releasing the ball. He couldn't really step into the throw. I'm working on memory here - correct me if I'm wrong.

Underthrows to big physical receivers often work well anyway.
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There were a couple or so that looked like from my perspective at the stadium were purposely underthrown. There were some the pass rush caused, and there were some that were mistakes. I was in the northwest corner on that one deep ball that Andre took inside the ten on single coverage. I was looking at Carr's head over all of the linemen before he threw the ball. He saw just enough of Andre to know he was in single coverage. When Carr threw the ball I couldn't see him at all! He put it in a spot and trusted Andre to catch it or knock it down. These guys are getting better and better. I was really pumped after I left the game yesterday.
 
We could win with any QB if we give him time & give him the weapons we have.
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Weapons? AJ, Moulds, and who? Our OL is still pathetic, our #3 receiver ain't that good, our TE's are average, and what street bum is starting at RB for us this week. Yep, we definitely have some WMD's on our team.
 
infantrycak said:
Man, don't say that or we will have airborne troops dropping into the stadium to bring democracy to the Texans.
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Ha ha ha ha!

That reminds me of the 610 morning show Russian propaganda bit before and after the Redskins game.

"Comrade Texans, the capitalists from Washington, D.C. are coming to Communist Reliant Stadium."
 
TEXANRED said:
Well ya, after it was the D that let the Dolphins march down the field on them for a last minute score.
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Yeah, the same defense that's held them to 3 field goals all day.

The offense scored 17 points.... they did what they were supposed to do.

The defense held them to 17 points & under..... they went beyond what they were supposed to do.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah, the same defense that's held them to 3 field goals all day.

The offense scored 17 points.... they did what they were supposed to do.

The defense held them to 17 points & under..... they went beyond what they were supposed to do.
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Is there a specific guideline somewhere stating what they're supposed to do? How do you know they went beyond what they were supposed to do?

They did thier job most of the game. They still almost gave it away towards the end. It was a team effort! It was not pretty, but it still counts as a "W".:yahoo:
 
Carr had a fantastic game, I don't know what game everyone else is watching. The guy made on target throws and allowed his receivers to make catches, all this and our running game was poor. The pass protection slipped up a few times to kill some drives, but Gado and Dayne did a great job in picking up the blitzes. This gave Carr time to find his targets and take some chances. Note to the Haters, Carr is playing very well, you can come out now.
 
thunderkyss said:
Did anyone notice how frustrated AJ was yesterday?? Several times, he'd slam the ball into the ground, and was just upset. He was having to reach back, jump, and get balls, or he was led into a DB..... with better placement, AJ could have had a really big day.
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He was pumped and frustrated AFTER getting the ball stripped from him. Silver lining? AJ has been good this year but an angry AJ is even better!

thunderkyss said:
I have no problem with the dinks & dunks. But if those Dinks & Dunks don't turn into big yards, he's got to realize he's got big plays behind the LBs.

I have to go back to watch this game....... for our three previous games, Carr hasn't really been "finding" anyone other than the dumpoff as usual..... first read, find the dump off.....

he's done well on occasion, but we can't say that this aspect of Carr's game has come to fruition just yet.
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I believe AJ is averaging 102.5 yards a game with a 13.7 yard per catch average and Moulds is averaging 12.8 yards per catch.
 
Also, to anyone that tries to compare Carr's early 2004 stats to these, there is one huge difference. Those 2004 stats were against teams that finished in the bottom quarter of the league in pass defense. Carr's early "success" this year is against four teams with average to good defenses. He still has a lot of room for improvement, but he is doing all of this with a limited rushing game and poor pass-blocking (not Miami poor, but darn close).
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah, the same defense that's held them to 3 field goals all day.
The offense scored 17 points.... they did what they were supposed to do.

The defense held them to 17 points & under..... they went beyond what they were supposed to do.
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Correction, three field goals and a touchdown.

I can't even begin to count how many fourth quarter loses we have suffered through the years. They finally got one. Yea.:yahoo: There is four years of fourth quarter collapses to make up for.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Is there a specific guideline somewhere stating what they're supposed to do? How do you know they went beyond what they were supposed to do?

They did thier job most of the game. They still almost gave it away towards the end. It was a team effort! It was not pretty, but it still counts as a "W".:yahoo:
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I'm happy with the win. I believe it was a team win...... nobody was on anybody's shoulders.

When I look at a game, I'm thinking in terms of 21. If the offense can put 21 points on the D, they did their job. If the D can hold the offense to 21, they did their job. You go into overtime, and the other team scores(defense failed) or our O scores(Offense prevailed)...... it's a very simplistic view of the game.

On this board a few days(weeks) ago, said the actual number Coaches use is 17. I then heard Madden say the same in last weeks game.... so.. I'm now using 17.

Judging by my previous number of 21, you can tell I like high scoring games, and high powered offenses.
 
TEXANRED said:
Correction, three field goals and a touchdown.

I can't even begin to count how many fourth quarter loses we have suffered through the years. They finally got one. Yea.:yahoo: There is four years of fourth quarter collapses to make up for.
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the point I was arguing involved that last minute touchdown, so I was talking about up to that point.:whip:
 
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