Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud

santo said:
I agree. I think the fear goes both ways, you either make a mistake and take the wrong one or you make the mistake and let someone else take the qb you should have taken.
You think Chicago isn’t kicking themselves every time they see Mahomes in the playoffs?
Click to expand...
You forgot about SF who took the Solomon Thomas to build the trenches
 
TexansBull said:
I think if people had to choose then people would choose more exciting football with no championship than championship football that is more dull to watch.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately this is probably true. Look at the Derrick fanboys

Why bother though if you can't win championships. That's why they keep score. Winning is exciting.
 
leebigeztx said:
You forgot about SF who took the Solomon Thomas to build the trenches
Click to expand...
It's OK. They have Brock Purdy, now.
TexansBull said:
I think if people had to choose then people would choose more exciting football with no championship than championship football that is more dull to watch.
Click to expand...
steelbtexan said:
Why bother though if you can't win championships.
Click to expand...
Championships? Don't talk about championships! You kidding me? Championships?! I just hope we can win a game! Championships?
 
Lucky said:
It's OK. They have Brock Purdy, now.


Championships? Don't talk about championships! You kidding me? Championships?! I just hope we can win a game! Championships?
Click to expand...
Every move made right now should be done with the idea of what will make this team a championship contender in 5 years.

That's how Luhnow did business and that's how I hope Cal let's Caserio do business.

Probably will never happen with Cal as owner.
 
steelbtexan said:
Every move made right now should be done with the idea of what will make this team a championship contender in 5 years.
Click to expand...
5 years? I thought the Texans were on a 5 year plan 2 years ago?

In that case, fire everyone and load up the Brinks truck for Sean Payton.
 
steelbtexan said:
Every move made right now should be done with the idea of what will make this team a championship contender in 5 years.

That's how Luhnow did business and that's how I hope Cal let's Caserio do business.

Probably will never happen with Cal as owner.
Click to expand...
Jeff Luhnow? I know Jeff Luhnow and Nick Caserio is no Jeff Luhnow.
 
Lucky said:
5 years? I thought the Texans were on a 5 year plan 2 years ago?

In that case, fire everyone and load up the Brinks truck for Sean Payton.
Click to expand...
They are to become a championship contender.

The yr after they get through with the towel boy picks I expect them to compete for a playoff spot. But it may take a yr for the rookies to get experience. So maybe 2 yrs after they get through with the picks I expect them to make the playoffs and be a contender the yr after that. It's a process and the process of drafting well, then getting the rookies experience won't be rushed.
 
Keeping with the headline thread, I did some film study on CJ Stroud last night and IMO he has some terrible footwork. Especially in pressure situations, he really gets some happy feet, dance steps, and often throws on his tiptoes. I don't know if you can ever get him to settle down and relax. He gets really antsy and could be big the big reason he can't win the big one. Let's see what he does against Georgia?
 
JB said:
While Stroud doesn't have Smith-Njigba who is supposedly the #1, he does have Harrison Jr who I feel is quite a bit better and also has Egbuka and Fleming and Stover at TE. Harrison Jr would be a top 10 pick if he came out this year. So compared to Young and other QB's, Stroud is loaded with top receivers and rarely has to throw in a tight window
Click to expand...

well that’s a little simplified you have to admit. Put on tape, first game of the season against Notre Dame and tell me how rarely he throws into tight windows?
 
  • Like
Reactions: JB
zshawn10 said:
Some high praise here

"Joe Burrow like, the game is slow for him, he's the closest QB to prime aaron rodgers to come out of the draft since prime aaron rodgers"

The whole clip is great

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602792503375269889
Click to expand...

Suppose since Aaron is more recent comp, but Joe’s best comp (who he reminds me of most) is another Joe. Joe Montana. Realize that dates me but that is who is most like.
 
Texian said:
Keeping with the headline thread, I did some film study on CJ Stroud last night and IMO he has some terrible footwork. Especially in pressure situations, he really gets some happy feet, dance steps, and often throws on his tiptoes. I don't know if you can ever get him to settle down and relax. He gets really antsy and could be big the big reason he can't win the big one. Let's see what he does against Georgia?
Click to expand...
Sshh I am trying to convince Detroit to trade for 1.1 to select CJ and it's hard enough with out you...

😉
 
steelbtexan said:
Every move made right now should be done with the idea of what will make this team a championship contender in 5 years.

That's how Luhnow did business and that's how I hope Cal let's Caserio do business.

Probably will never happen with Cal as owner.
Click to expand...
Why do you keep bringing baseball into this? The NFL is a year to year league, baseball is not. The Astros are the best case scenario in baseball, but in football, there are no 5 year plans.
 
Texian said:
Keeping with the headline thread, I did some film study on CJ Stroud last night and IMO he has some terrible footwork. Especially in pressure situations, he really gets some happy feet, dance steps, and often throws on his tiptoes. I don't know if you can ever get him to settle down and relax. He gets really antsy and could be big the big reason he can't win the big one. Let's see what he does against Georgia?
Click to expand...
We're going to find out how good Carter is at the same time how good Stroud is too. We've heard for months how clean a pocket and how many big windows CJ has to throw through. We've also heard how well Carter played last year and how he should be number 1. Well, 2 things can be true and we're going to find out. You know they also said Peyton had happy feet and couldn't win the big 1 in college too, right? We will see even though I don't take much stock in winner at college level.
 
leebigeztx said:
Why do you keep bringing baseball into this? The NFL is a year to year league, baseball is not. The Astros are the best case scenario in baseball, but in football, there are no 5 year plans.
Click to expand...
You can't build a bad team up in 2-3 years to be a championship contender, even if you get your QB. Derrick kinda proved that. .
 
leebigeztx said:
Tell me about the Bengals and Dolphins
Click to expand...

Yeah, again the Texans situation that NC came into was/is unlike any other. Most incoming GM/HC's have at least a few talented pieces that are held over from the previous regime & if they manage to add a few key pieces, they can turn it around quickly. This was the case for Mike McD and Mia with Tua/Waddle/Phillips and Davis among others left over from Flores. Here? the cupboard was bare as hell. Outside of what Tunsil & Cooks, there was virtually no talent held over from the previous regime b/c he either traded it all away before hand, they left via FA...or wanted out.

Cincy had to suck for 2 years, get those high picks and hit..which it rarely happens like that....but even in their case they had more than a couple hold overs that helped speed that transition up.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah, again the Texans situation that NC came into was/is unlike any other. Most incoming GM/HC's have at least a few talented pieces that are held over from the previous regime & if they manage to add a few key pieces, they can turn it around quickly. This was the case for Mike McD and Mia with Tua/Waddle/Phillips and Davis among others left over from Flores. Here? the cupboard was bare as hell. Outside of what Tunsil & Cooks, there was virtually no talent held over from the previous regime b/c he either traded it all away before hand, they left via FA...or wanted out.

Cincy had to suck for 2 years, get those high picks and hit..which it rarely happens like that....but even in their case they had more than a couple hold overs that helped speed that transition up.
Click to expand...
As soon as Flores took over, what happened? They traded their 2 best players correct? Tunsil and Micah. They won 5 games , then 9 and 10 before he was fired. The Bengals had been sucking for awhile remember? They draft Burrough, he gets hurt. The next year, the get Chase and are inthe superbowl. Chase has missed most of the season this year and they're hot as a firecracker. This is year 2 and there isn't anything close to competing for the playoffs. People on this board talking 5 years? C'mon
 
leebigeztx said:
As soon as Flores took over, what happened? They traded their 2 best players correct? Tunsil and Micah. They won 5 games , then 9 and 10 before he was fired. The Bengals had been sucking for awhile remember? They draft Burrough, he gets hurt. The next year, the get Chase and are inthe superbowl. Chase has missed most of the season this year and they're hot as a firecracker. This is year 2 and there isn't anything close to competing for the playoffs. People on this board talking 5 years? C'mon
Click to expand...
Coaching matters.
 
leebigeztx said:
As soon as Flores took over, what happened? They traded their 2 best players correct? Tunsil and Micah. They won 5 games , then 9 and 10 before he was fired. The Bengals had been sucking for awhile remember? They draft Burrough, he gets hurt. The next year, the get Chase and are inthe superbowl. Chase has missed most of the season this year and they're hot as a firecracker. This is year 2 and there isn't anything close to competing for the playoffs. People on this board talking 5 years? C'mon
Click to expand...




The primary reason Flores was fired is b/c we watched Tua & the offense flounder under him for 2 years. So all McDaniel had to do was come in with a qb friendly offense and all the GM had to do was get a teir 1 level WR..bam they’re there.

Furthermore Flores plan was poorly executed. he traded traded Tunsil & Micah for picks that he used in the 2020 & 2021 draft b/c he thought he could replace them with high draft picks that would be much cheaper & easier to keep in the long run vs losing out on those guys once they were FA. Whats lost on you is HE HAD THAT TALENT ON THE ROSTER TO TRADE IN THE 1st PLACE. Who was on this roster outside of DW4 that could bring in that type of draft capital when NC got here? Thats right NOONE..not even Tunsil at that point. Anyway, They had 3 1sts and 3 2nds in the 2020-21 drafts to go along with what they already had for sucking.

Decent plan, but bad to to mixed bag in terms of execution as the replacements for the guys Flores traded were trash..notably Austin Jackson & Noah Ingobihene…which is why that defense is still largely ass. the other players he used draft capital on are OK…1-2 turned out to be gems…………..Which again McDaniel has taken advantage of…the Tua’s….Waddle’s and Jaelon Phillips’.

So Just by your own admission of the games they won under Flores (5, 9) & them STILL not making the playoffs after a 3rd year where they won 10 games (sham) before the bottom fell out for Flores in his 4th season…..and now McDaniels, it has taken them 5 years to get to where they can now reap the benefits of what Flores started 4 damn years ago.

Cincy drafted Burrow #1 overall…the next pick they made in that draft was Tee Higgins..HR’s on both those picks in the same draft. Chase came the next year….but years before any of 3 high stud picks were made, Boyd, Mixon, Williams…Hubbard…already on the roster…3 of those are INTEGRAL pieces to their current offense. Thats not even counting the signing of Reader in FA in those 1st few years of suck under Taylor.

The OVERRIDING POINT here is that Causation does not equal correlation my man & no team just materializes in 2 years from a couple of picks….there is almost ALWAYS alot of talented pieces of talent held over from the previous regime to help the next GM/HC jumpstart it for perhaps a percieved turn around…however What NC came into is closer to what an expansion franchise has to deal with vs what is the norm.
 
leebigeztx said:
Tell me about the Bengals and Dolphins
Click to expand...
I can't really speak for the Dolphins, but anyone thinking the Bengals build was an overnight thing just isn't aware. Not that I expect other fans to follow that closely.
It's easy for people to see the Bengals in the Super Bowl and say, "Overnight success". They tend to overlook how they got there.

2018- Marvin Lewis' last year as coach and saw the team collapse and finish 6-10. They bled talent, resigned poor players, mostly bad draft.
2019- Zac Taylor hired as the coach. Complete unknown. Started 0-11, finishing 2-14. Bled talent, resigned poor players, mostly bad draft.
2020- Draft Joe Burrow #1. Burrow get knee imploded. Finish 4-11-1. Talent and poor player extensions lessen. Bring in DJ Reader and Vonn Bell.
2021- Due to Burrow's injury Bengals select Chase #5. Greatest free agent signings in team history. Go to Super Bowl after 10-7 finish.

It took more than a few years of being one of the worst teams in the league and watching an owner and coach make horrible decisions.
Thankfully in the middle of all that, the owner takes a step back and allows his daughter to take over the majority of decision making with new coach.
Contracts are done completely different, drafting takes a different approach, free agency is something they now participate in and things turn around.

However, all that being said, it took just as LUCK as it did making those noted changes.
Had Burrow not had his knee crushed, they would have not been in a position to draft JaMarr Chase. That sure was a nice problem to have.
Players like Eli Apple, who was labeled a bust, have seen their careers resurrected with the coaching staff.

This was hardly an overnight success, although that wasn't the term used exactly.
 
Bama has had 22 starting QB’s since 1992. Hurts, Tua, Jones have enjoyed modest to recent success. Hurts was a falling towards bust until the Eagles got WR, AJ Brown from the Titans. Tua was going hard bust until the Dolphins got him a new toy in WR, Tyreek Hill. Jones has been moderately successful.

Ohio State hasn’t really produced any above average NFL QB in 30+ years or their last 15 signal callers.

Between 37 starters at Bama and Ohio State….they’ve produced 3 QB’s that are enjoying a “this season” uptick in their NFL careers. That is one very nasty track record to be rolling RD1-01 dice on.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Bama has had 22 starting QB’s since 1992. Hurts, Tua, Jones have enjoyed modest to recent success. Hurts was a falling towards bust until the Eagles got WR, AJ Brown from the Titans. Tua was going hard bust until the Dolphins got him a new toy in WR, Tyreek Hill. Jones has been moderately successful.

Ohio State hasn’t really produced any above average NFL QB in 30+ years or their last 15 signal callers.

Between 37 starters at Bama and Ohio State….they’ve produced 3 QB’s that are enjoying a “this season” uptick in their NFL careers. That is one very nasty track record to be rolling RD1-01 dice on.
Click to expand...
By your standards, any pick the Texans could make at 1.1 would bust
 
Past performance is not indicative of future results.
While that's not a great stat, it's only that.
Just like a school that has produced stellar NFL QB's not having any guarantees of that continuing in the future.
That stat really is crazy though.
 
How many crap QBs did Texas Tech produce before Patrick Mahomes? Jim Harbaugh was the greatest Michigan NFL QB until Tom Brady. Heath Shuler was Tennessee's top shelf before Peyton.

Can everyone see what a ludicrous argument this is to analyze current QBs?
 
Carr Bombed said:
He has to.. Obviously the guy ran over his dog and ran off with his lady.
Click to expand...
Either that or Caserio has clearly illustrated, on his own, that he knows absolutely nothing about being a GM, was never trained to be a GM and like all other Belichick assistants, he's not a bad admin and/or facilitator.
 
Texian said:
Either that or Caserio has clearly illustrated, on his own, that he knows absolutely nothing about being a GM, was never trained to be a GM and like all other Belichick assistants, he's not a bad admin and/or facilitator.
Click to expand...
Serious question... why aren't you a GM?
 
ArmyBengal said:
I can't really speak for the Dolphins, but anyone thinking the Bengals build was an overnight thing just isn't aware. Not that I expect other fans to follow that closely.
It's easy for people to see the Bengals in the Super Bowl and say, "Overnight success". They tend to overlook how they got there.

2018- Marvin Lewis' last year as coach and saw the team collapse and finish 6-10. They bled talent, resigned poor players, mostly bad draft.
2019- Zac Taylor hired as the coach. Complete unknown. Started 0-11, finishing 2-14. Bled talent, resigned poor players, mostly bad draft.
2020- Draft Joe Burrow #1. Burrow get knee imploded. Finish 4-11-1. Talent and poor player extensions lessen. Bring in DJ Reader and Vonn Bell.
2021- Due to Burrow's injury Bengals select Chase #5. Greatest free agent signings in team history. Go to Super Bowl after 10-7 finish.

It took more than a few years of being one of the worst teams in the league and watching an owner and coach make horrible decisions.
Thankfully in the middle of all that, the owner takes a step back and allows his daughter to take over the majority of decision making with new coach.
Contracts are done completely different, drafting takes a different approach, free agency is something they now participate in and things turn around.

However, all that being said, it took just as LUCK as it did making those noted changes.
Had Burrow not had his knee crushed, they would have not been in a position to draft JaMarr Chase. That sure was a nice problem to have.
Players like Eli Apple, who was labeled a bust, have seen their careers resurrected with the coaching staff.

This was hardly an overnight success, although that wasn't the term used exactly.
Click to expand...
That is a fairly quick turnaround. If its 1 team I know fairly well are the Bengals. My cousin was a 1st rd pick of the team in the 90s. Spent alot of time around that team in general. Bengals went from 2-14, to 4-11-1,to 10-7 to a team that probably will win 11 games with Chase missing alot of games. That's why I said 3 years is how long it takes to get on track. At the current pace, the Texans are another 3 years from even being decent.
 
Mr teX said:
The primary reason Flores was fired is b/c we watched Tua & the offense flounder under him for 2 years. So all McDaniel had to do was come in with a qb friendly offense and all the GM had to do was get a teir 1 level WR..bam they’re there.

Furthermore Flores plan was poorly executed. he traded traded Tunsil & Micah for picks that he used in the 2020 & 2021 draft b/c he thought he could replace them with high draft picks that would be much cheaper & easier to keep in the long run vs losing out on those guys once they were FA. Whats lost on you is HE HAD THAT TALENT ON THE ROSTER TO TRADE IN THE 1st PLACE. Who was on this roster outside of DW4 that could bring in that type of draft capital when NC got here? Thats right NOONE..not even Tunsil at that point. Anyway, They had 3 1sts and 3 2nds in the 2020-21 drafts to go along with what they already had for sucking.

Decent plan, but bad to to mixed bag in terms of execution as the replacements for the guys Flores traded were trash..notably Austin Jackson & Noah Ingobihene…which is why that defense is still largely ass. the other players he used draft capital on are OK…1-2 turned out to be gems…………..Which again McDaniel has taken advantage of…the Tua’s….Waddle’s and Jaelon Phillips’.

So Just by your own admission of the games they won under Flores (5, 9) & them STILL not making the playoffs after a 3rd year where they won 10 games (sham) before the bottom fell out for Flores in his 4th season…..and now McDaniels, it has taken them 5 years to get to where they can now reap the benefits of what Flores started 4 damn years ago.

Cincy drafted Burrow #1 overall…the next pick they made in that draft was Tee Higgins..HR’s on both those picks in the same draft. Chase came the next year….but years before any of 3 high stud picks were made, Boyd, Mixon, Williams…Hubbard…already on the roster…3 of those are INTEGRAL pieces to their current offense. Thats not even counting the signing of Reader in FA in those 1st few years of suck under Taylor.

The OVERRIDING POINT here is that Causation does not equal correlation my man & no team just materializes in 2 years from a couple of picks….there is almost ALWAYS alot of talented pieces of talent held over from the previous regime to help the next GM/HC jumpstart it for perhaps a percieved turn around…however What NC came into is closer to what an expansion franchise has to deal with vs what is the norm.
Click to expand...
Mixon wasn't a high pick and Williams has been trash. 3 years , your team shouldn't still be in shambles. Say what you will about Flores, but that team was bad before he took over and in 3 years they won 24 games despite having a qb issue in which the #5 pick missed almost entire rookie season. They traded Tunsil and Micah, 2 pro bowl/all pro players for picks and they still won 10 and 9 games. A rebuild doesn't take 5 years in a year to year league,
 
leebigeztx said:
Mario wasn't a bust
Click to expand...

He was above average for Texans as a player but below average in return for the #1 overall pick.

To be fair, that wasn’t completely on him either, by time he played his final year on his rookie contract, Wade Phillips had unleashed him but unfortunately got hurt, missed rest of season, then hit free agency. All Texans got in return was compensatory 3rd. rd. pick. while Mario went on to bigger & better things in Buffalo.

:koolaid:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top