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Elway has also had his team in the Super Bowl two of the last three years. I'll take that over cap space any day of the week.I'd love to see the Texans offer $17 or $18 million per year to Brock Osweiler.
Make the Broncos increase their reported offer of three years and $45 million ($15 per) at the very least.
I wouldn't mind throwing this guy a ton of guaranteed signing bonus as well.
Let's play ball, Broncos!
May the highest bidder win.
Rick Smith versus John Elway.
Smith has created more cap space.
Things will be interesting...
I think a lot more highly of him than you. The biggest knock I have on him is that when he's successful early in a game and gets on a roll, he gets a gunslinger attitude and starts forcing throws.I'm on record saying I don't think Osweiler is a very good quarterback. He's better than what we have currently, but that's not really saying anything. I wouldn't offer Brock any more than Denver is, and I'd also make it performance based. If we were set to add a first round quarterback to the roster in addition to signing Brock I might be a bit more forgiving since we'd have a plan B in place, but that kind of contract probably wouldn't lure him away from the Broncos.
But will Brock ? I'd think so but who knows ? Ricky is going headup against big John Elway, what's gonna happen here ?Elway has also had his team in the Super Bowl two of the last three years. I'll take that over cap space any day of the week.
I'm all for going after Os. I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans sign him to a long term contract, but structure it so that all the guaranteed money was paid in the 1st two years. Say 5 years, $90-$95 mil with $35-$40 mil guaranteed. That way you can get out after two years if he doesn't pan out.
That's why I put the deal between $18-$19 mil a year and guaranteeing more than Denver can likely afford. I bet Brock realizes this and after Denver sweetens the pot to match the Texans offer, you know his agent will be on the phone with Smith. I don't mind a bit of a bidding war as long as Smith knows when to blink.You know Ricky want to
But will Brock ? I'd think so but who knows ? Ricky is going headup against big John Elway, what's gonna happen here ?
I hope we get him, but I just don't see Brock walking away from that sweet deal in Denver.
I'm on record saying I don't think Osweiler is a very good quarterback. He's better than what we have currently, but that's not really saying anything. I wouldn't offer Brock any more than Denver is, and I'd also make it performance based. If we were set to add a first round quarterback to the roster in addition to signing Brock I might be a bit more forgiving since we'd have a plan B in place, but that kind of contract probably wouldn't lure him away from the Broncos.
As the Texans make their push, here's what to know about Brock Osweiler
11:30 AM ET
- Tania Ganguli ESPN Staff Writer
HOUSTON -- In an effort to upgrade their quarterback position, it does appear the Houston Texans are making a sincere effort to land Broncos quarterback Brock Osweiler. I'll still be interested to see how far they'll go, but the Broncos will also have limits.
Either side can reach an agreement today, but only the Broncos can sign him to a new deal right now. The Texans would have to wait until tomorrow at 4 p.m. ET to make any deal official.
As that process plays out, here's what you should know about Osweiler:
- Osweiler won his first three starts with Denver making a playoff push. According to ESPN Stats and Info, that made him the first Broncos quarterback to do that since Craig Penrose won his 1st 3 career NFL starts over the 1976 and 1978 seasons. Osweiler led the Broncos to wins over the Bears, Patriots and the Chargers.
- Texans coach Bill O'Brien really pays attention to situational football and how a player performs in pressure situations. One really good example of that for Osweiler came in that Patriots game. The game was in Denver, it was snowing, and it was Osweiler's second start. With 2:31 left in the game, Osweiler led an 83-yard touchdown drive that gave the Broncos the lead. It included a 36-yard pass to Demaryius Thomas, a 39-yard pass to Emmanuel Sanders and a 4-yard touchdown pass to Andre Caldwell. It was a high-pressure situation, and Osweiler delivered. The Broncos won the game in overtime.
- It wasn't all good. Osweiler played in eight games last season, and his numbers regressed in the second half, as they often do with quarterbacks. While his first-half Total QBR was better than Tom Brady's, according to ESPN Stats and Info, his second half was the worst in the league among qualifying quarterbacks.
- He was better on shorter throws. Also from ESPN Stats and Info, when the ball traveled 14 or fewer yards in the air, Osweiler's completion percentage was slightly above the league average at 70. When it traveled 15 or more yards in the air, his completion percentage was 31, a full 12 percentage points below the league average. Osweiler's Total QBR on those throws was the lowest in the NFL.
- He's got to learn to throw the ball away. In the eight games he played (six starts and two games with at least 20 attempts), Osweiler was sacked 23 times. His 2.88 sacks per game rank among the highest in the league. Contrast that to his teammate Peyton Manning, who was only sacked 16 times in 10 games for a per-game average that was among the best in the NFL. It's a skill he can learn, and not one that would scare me away. It certainly isn't a major concern for the Texans.
I think a lot more highly of him than you. The biggest knock I have on him is that when he's successful early in a game and gets on a roll, he gets a gunslinger attitude and starts forcing throws.
I think the Texans are being suckered into signing Os. If the Broncs really want him to start, they aren't going to let him get away. They're in no position to draft a good QB. I think they want somebody else to take him because he's so inconsistent, freeing a ton of cap money for them so they can go after the QB they really want. Os is basically a backup; you don't pay him that kind of money. Do not give away the franchise for another reserve destined to be a dissapointment.
I think the Texans are being suckered into signing Os. If the Broncs really want him to start, they aren't going to let him get away. They're in no position to draft a good QB. I think they want somebody else to take him because he's so inconsistent, freeing a ton of cap money for them so they can go after the QB they really want. Os is basically a backup; you don't pay him that kind of money. Do not give away the franchise for another reserve destined to be a dissapointment.
I think the Texans are being suckered into signing Os. If the Broncs really want him to start, they aren't going to let him get away. They're in no position to draft a good QB. I think they want somebody else to take him because he's so inconsistent, freeing a ton of cap money for them so they can go after the QB they really want. Os is basically a backup; you don't pay him that kind of money. Do not give away the franchise for another reserve destined to be a dissapointment.
So basically, by your definition, if he comes here, it's a bad deal, but if the Texans end up getting outbid by Denver, then it becomes a good move they failed to make?I think the Texans are being suckered into signing Os. If the Broncs really want him to start, they aren't going to let him get away.
I think the Texans are being suckered into signing Os. If the Broncs really want him to start, they aren't going to let him get away. They're in no position to draft a good QB. I think they want somebody else to take him because he's so inconsistent, freeing a ton of cap money for them so they can go after the QB they really want. Os is basically a backup; you don't pay him that kind of money. Do not give away the franchise for another reserve destined to be a dissapointment.
Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
I believe very strongly this isn't correct.Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
Yes.You really think they are doing this without the knowledge/approval of McNair?
Yes.
Well, maybe he is ok with signing a FA QB, but he won't be tightly controlling who is drafted, and if it isn't a QB, the squat hits the fan.so you really think Mcnair is oblivious to everything going on in the NFL?
More likely they'll relieve Mr. McNair's hackles because they don't have to trade away the farm to trade up in the draft and can, instead, use the draft to strengthen other positions.Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
Well, maybe he is ok with signing a FA QB, but he won't be tightly controlling who is drafted, and if it isn't a QB, the squat hits the fan.
It's win-win only if it turns out to be true. And if it does I'll apologize, but somehow I don't think I'll have to.More likely they'll relieve Mr. McNair's hackles because they don't have to trade away the farm to trade up in the draft and can, instead, use the draft to strengthen other positions.
If they believe Os is a franchise QB, that's a win-win. If it turns out their right? Then I think a lot of people, including myself, owe a few apologies to the Texans coaching staff and front office.
No. It's win-win because the Texans didn't trade away the future on a prospect, however highly regarded, strengthened the team (if they draft like they did in 2015) and took a good swing for a potential franchise QB. That's best I can ask them to do.It's win-win only if it turns out to be true. And if it does I'll apologize, but somehow I don't think I'll have to.
The Texans could have likely done the same if we had signed Peyton Manning four off-seasons ago like I wanted them to. We once had an 11-1 record through 12 games (best in NFL) with that same coaching staff as well. Not to mention we had the same starting tight end for that matter.Elway has also had his team in the Super Bowl two of the last three years. I'll take that over cap space any day of the week.
I'm all for going after Os. I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans sign him to a long term contract, but structure it so that all the guaranteed money was paid in the 1st two years. Say 5 years, $90-$95 mil with $35-$40 mil guaranteed. That way you can get out after two years if he doesn't pan out.
That's a good BINGO! Clear your cards.You really think they are doing this without the knowledge/approval of McNair?
That's a good BINGO! Clear your cards.
If OB and Smith are talking to Osweiller's agent it's only because McNair said, Do It!
I think the Texans are being suckered into signing Os. If the Broncs really want him to start, they aren't going to let him get away. They're in no position to draft a good QB. I think they want somebody else to take him because he's so inconsistent, freeing a ton of cap money for them so they can go after the QB they really want. Os is basically a backup; you don't pay him that kind of money. Do not give away the franchise for another reserve destined to be a disappointment.
Well I can tell you this: If Smith-Obie sign him and use him as an excuse not to draft a !st round QB, they're going raise the hackles of Bob McNair.
So many fans aren't happy unless they are miserable! I know many of the same people complaining about bidding for Osweiler have also complained about the Texans' lack of aggressiveness in acquiring QBs in the past. The Texans can't manifest Andrew Luck. There only options are the players that are currently available in free agency, trade, and the draft. Fans should be thrilled that the Texans are willing to throw a ton of money at the best free agent option (who also has tools, youth, and upside)... and, it coincides with this organization's healthiest cap year since 2002.
That is why they are simultaneously bidding for Lamar Miller. They can sign both and still be $25 million under this year's cap, $45+ million under the 2017 cap, with team control over their stars: Hopkins, Watt, Clowney, KJ, etc...
Well said, man. I'm trying not to get my hopes up right now about Brock, but man, I'd be pretty excited about 2016 if it happened.
Folks have to understand that finding proven veteran QBs are not something that we can ever expect. It is such a rare thing that when we have seem them, they are usually coming off of injury (like Manning and Brees). Otherwise, teams lock them up long term. Heck, even guys like Sam Bradford are getting huge deals.
So we are looking at either the draft, trade, or FA. And in all three cases, you are either dealing with the unknown/unproven talent (i.e. Schaub, Brock, Mallet, rookie), or, you are taking a scrap QB that you already know his ceiling and hope for the best (i..e. Hoyer, Fitzpatrick, Weeden).
For me, I'll take the chance on unknown/unproven over some perpetual scrub like Hoyer. And maybe it just comes down to hope. Because you can hope for a guy that is unproven/unknown, but I have little hope when we pick up a guy like Hoyer. Sure, we can be pleasantly surprised like we were with Fitz in 2014, but that's just it, a surprise in spite of low expectations. But most of the time, these types of QBs usually fulfill those low expectations. There is a reason why they were easy to sign.
Osweiler is just using the Texans to drive up the Broncos offer, which they will. Why exactly is this guy in a rush to leave Denver again? Disrespected about Manning getting reinserted? Doesnt like the QB friendly system Koobs employs? Maybe the HOF QB in the front office just doesnt connect with him? Rather wake up to the concrete mountains in Houston vs some of the most beautiful scenery in the country? Not sure why coming here seems like the much better option. Screams leverage move.
Hell I'd take Fitzy over Osweiler if the intent is to still draft the QB of the future this year and start the process.