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British Brooks

Agreed. Dare is making the team as is Hewitt. The Texans really emphasize ST and that’s a good thing imo.

While I like the idea of Brooks cross training at FB, I haven’t seen anything suggesting that has happened, and so I think it’s a flight of fancy at this time.

He will likely pass waivers. Put him on the Taxi squad and start molding him for the 2025 season.
 
Sweech said:
They're going to carry Dare because of special teams on both return and cover teams.
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Then it won't be just because he'll be the emergency kicker, which was what started to the whole conversation that you jumped into
 
Rich Schmidt said:
No Dare eh? I think they like his special teams and accept his limitations as a runner
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Dare is JAG. And special teamers aren't guys that can't be easily replaced. I don't think it's worth burning a roster spot for someone who can only do well on Teams. Unless you are that 4th RB who would never see the field otherwise. But hell to the no for giving him offensive snaps. Pierce that is. Dare? Eh. Give me Cam, Taylor or the rookie first.
 
Speedy said:
Dare is JAG. And special teamers aren't guys that can't be easily replaced. I don't think it's worth burning a roster spot for someone who can only do well on Teams. Unless you are that 4th RB who would never see the field otherwise. But hell to the no for giving him offensive snaps. Pierce that is. Dare? Eh. Give me Cam, Taylor or the rookie first.
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I think viewing roster spots like that is exactly how you end up with bad special teams units.

We've seen roster construction being handled like that here before and we've seen the special teams units it produced. It was not pretty.
 
Mixon
Akers
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Brooks or somebody off of another team.

Wonder what the Pats RB room looks like?
 
Sweech said:
I think viewing roster spots like that is exactly how you end up with bad special teams units.

We've seen roster construction being handled like that here before and we've seen the special teams units it produced. It was not pretty.
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cland said:
https://www.nfl.com/videos/dare-ogu...023-s-best-hit-stick-tackles-vs-trenton-irwin
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Like I said, if they're not going to see the field otherwise, then sure, Teams it is. They're carrying 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 10 DBs, if you're at the end of the depth chart at those positions and excel on Teams, great. But don't tell me Pierce or Dare are RBs 2 or 3 just because they can play Teams. I don't need to see them taking offensive snaps.

That said, not sure the other guys are much of an improvement. The depth at RB is a weakness on this team right now. But I've seen Pierce and Dare and don't need to see more.
 
Speedy said:
Like I said, if they're not going to see the field otherwise, then sure, Teams it is. They're carrying 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 10 DBs, if you're at the end of the depth chart at those positions and excel on Teams, great. But don't tell me Pierce or Dare are RBs 2 or 3 just because they can play Teams. I don't need to see them taking offensive snaps.

That said, not sure the other guys are much of an improvement. The depth at RB is a weakness on this team right now. But I've seen Pierce and Dare and don't need to see more.
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RB 3 barely sees the field. It basically requires an injury or two during the game. Typically RB3 is the end of game back when you've already won and now they're just in for the plays to get the clock to keep running. Dare's done that for us before already. He also takes 3rd down snaps because he's also a good pass blocking back.
 
Sweech said:
RB 3 barely sees the field. It basically requires an injury or two during the game.
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Is that what you've seen across the league or just the Texans? Other teams, I think get 3rd RBs on the field much more frequently than our team & they seem to get more production out of young inexperienced backs than we do... at least it seems that way to me.

Our 1 & 2 seems to be thoroughly entrenched for no reason other than they are the 1 & 2
 
My only concern with putting in a different FB than Beck, is that we're near the top of the league in fullback usage. So while it's nearly required that your FB can catch, it's absolutely required that your FB can lead block. I can see that the team has been looking at alternate options, with Brevin and Stover, but I don't think they're there yet.
 
cland said:
My only concern with putting in a different FB than Beck, is that we're near the top of the league in fullback usage. So while it's nearly required that your FB can catch, it's absolutely required that your FB can lead block. I can see that the team has been looking at alternate options, with Brevin and Stover, but I don't think they're there yet.
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With our WR trio I expect that aspect to change in the Texans' offense.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
With our WR trio I expect that aspect to change in the Texans' offense.
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In theory and IMHO, I expect us to start the game with 3 WRs, but if the majority of us are correct and the offense puts some points on the board early, I still expect us to come back to the running game to wind the clock down. I wouldn't be surprised if the %FB goes down, but we still need a strong running game that threatens to get a first down in one or two plays.
 
cland said:
In theory and IMHO, I expect us to start the game with 3 WRs, but if the majority of us are correct and the offense puts some points on the board early, I still expect us to come back to the running game to wind the clock down. I wouldn't be surprised if the %FB goes down, but we still need a strong running game that threatens to get a first down in one or two plays.
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If our passing game is clicking, I am not concerned with the clock ticking.

If our passing game is averaging 8 yards catching, that is twice what our running backs are getting.

Keep your foot on the gas while kicking the other team's 🫏.

I am sick and tired of having a lead and then going to a prevent defense.

We have an excellent quarterback who is highly accurate and a receiving team like never before in Houston history in my opinion. Swing for the fence!
 
badboy said:
If our passing game is clicking, I am not concerned with the clock ticking.

If our passing game is averaging 8 yards catching, that is twice what our running backs are getting.

Keep your foot on the gas while kicking the other team's 🫏.

I am sick and tired of having a lead and then going to a prevent defense.

We have an excellent quarterback who is highly accurate and a receiving team like never before in Houston history in my opinion. Swing for the fence!
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Good way to let leads slip away. My philosophy is you pass to score, you run to win. Kick their ass in half 1 and then burn clock and run them over physically in half 2. You also have to make safeties and LB’s bite on playaction and creep up in order to stop the run which in turn opens the mid amd deeper passes. They compliment each other.

This is different than BOB who tucked in his tail way to soon. I’m talking you are up 27-6 at the half. Make the other team earn it and burn clock. Still pass some…mostly more conservative passes..lbut primarily go to the run. Thats where Mixon earns his pay.
 
badboy said:
If our passing game is clicking, I am not concerned with the clock ticking.

If our passing game is averaging 8 yards catching, that is twice what our running backs are getting.

Keep your foot on the gas while kicking the other team's 🫏.

I am sick and tired of having a lead and then going to a prevent defense.

We have an excellent quarterback who is highly accurate and a receiving team like never before in Houston history in my opinion. Swing for the fence!
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Even then you still have to establish the run to open up PA, which is huge part of Slowik's game plans.
 
badboy said:
If our passing game is clicking, I am not concerned with the clock ticking.

If our passing game is averaging 8 yards catching, that is twice what our running backs are getting.

Keep your foot on the gas while kicking the other team's 🫏.

I am sick and tired of having a lead and then going to a prevent defense.

We have an excellent quarterback who is highly accurate and a receiving team like never before in Houston history in my opinion. Swing for the fence!
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Honest question: Is this something that you take issue with regarding DR as the head coach, or PTSD from Kubiak and OB?
 
Porky said:
Good way to let leads slip away. My philosophy is you pass to score, you run to win. Kick their ass in half 1 and then burn clock and run them over physically in half 2. You also have to make safeties and LB’s bite on playaction and creep up in order to stop the run which in turn opens the mid amd deeper passes. They compliment each other.

This is different than BOB who tucked in his tail way to soon. I’m talking you are up 27-6 at the half. Make the other team earn it and burn clock. Still pass some…mostly more conservative passes..lbut primarily go to the run. Thats where Mixon earns his pay.
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Ok.. another point we disagree on..
😃
 
sandman said:
Honest question: Is this something that you take issue with regarding DR as the head coach, or PTSD from Kubiak and OB?
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It would seem that Ryans and I are in agreement as our passing game far excelled over the run game. Getting a superstar like Diggs, seems to indicate DR is going to pump up the jam!
Joe Mixon is a 4 yards guy whom I agree will move chains but the O plan is obviously pass the ball as often as I used to ask Mama to pass the fried chicken!
 
So, British Brooks….wonder what folks think of his end around TD’s. Was it his speed or the level of talent on D when he was in. I want to get hopeful but……?
 
thunderkyss said:
Is that what you've seen across the league or just the Texans? Other teams, I think get 3rd RBs on the field much more frequently than our team & they seem to get more production out of young inexperienced backs than we do... at least it seems that way to me.

Our 1 & 2 seems to be thoroughly entrenched for no reason other than they are the 1 & 2
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Just off the top of my head thinking about the best rushing attacks they really seem to funnel it to 2 backs.
 
Porky said:
Good way to let leads slip away. My philosophy is you pass to score, you run to win. Kick their ass in half 1 and then burn clock and run them over physically in half 2. You also have to make safeties and LB’s bite on playaction and creep up in order to stop the run which in turn opens the mid amd deeper passes. They compliment each other.

This is different than BOB who tucked in his tail way to soon. I’m talking you are up 27-6 at the half. Make the other team earn it and burn clock. Still pass some…mostly more conservative passes..lbut primarily go to the run. Thats where Mixon earns his pay.
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It's been proven time and time again you don't actually need a successful running attack to have successful play action. You can have a bad run game and linebackers and safeties will still bite all the same.
 
cland said:
Even then you still have to establish the run to open up PA, which is huge part of Slowik's game plans.
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Again. It's been proven you don't actually need to "establish the run" to have good play action.

Obviously in theory that sounds correct, but in reality they've statistically shown your run game can stink and you can still get great yards on play action and have linebackers and safeties bite.

In fact you could watch us last season and watch us stink up the run game and still have good play action sequences.
 
cland said:
My only concern with putting in a different FB than Beck, is that we're near the top of the league in fullback usage. So while it's nearly required that your FB can catch, it's absolutely required that your FB can lead block. I can see that the team has been looking at alternate options, with Brevin and Stover, but I don't think they're there yet.
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Is that usage based on actual FB usage, or formation? Because we often have a TE playing out of that position.
 
Sweech said:
Again. It's been proven you don't actually need to "establish the run" to have good play action.

Obviously in theory that sounds correct, but in reality they've statistically shown your run game can stink and you can still get great yards on play action and have linebackers and safeties bite.

In fact you could watch us last season and watch us stink up the run game and still have good play action sequences.
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If I said it had to be highly successful, I misspoke. It helps of course. But what I mean by establishing the run is you have to show it often enough to get them to bite. If you’re extremely pass happy, they have no fear of the run and it makes the passing lanes thst much tighter. In short, one compliments the other and it makes it that much tougher on the D…amd it surely helps if the run game is at least competent although even a trash run game draws guys up…as long as you aren’t way behind or just abandoned the run game.
 
Sweech said:
Again. It's been proven you don't actually need to "establish the run" to have good play action.

Obviously in theory that sounds correct, but in reality they've statistically shown your run game can stink and you can still get great yards on play action and have linebackers and safeties bite.

In fact you could watch us last season and watch us stink up the run game and still have good play action sequences.
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I don't know if "proven" is the right word. It didn't prevent us from running PA successfully, but it required us to run (unsuccessfully) on first down to set it up. I think we were pretty lucky to have CJ Stroud, his third down numbers were at the very top of the league.

Give him 2nd and 5 consistently, and this offense is going to go off the charts.
 
Porky said:
If I said it had to be highly successful, I misspoke. It helps of course. But what I mean by establishing the run is you have to show it often enough to get them to bite. If you’re extremely pass happy, they have no fear of the run and it makes the passing lanes thst much tighter. In short, one compliments the other and it makes it that much tougher on the D…amd it surely helps if the run game is at least competent although even a trash run game draws guys up…as long as you aren’t way behind or just abandoned the run game.
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Hehe, quit jumping ahead of me and making my point, Porky! :pissed:
 
cland said:
My only concern with putting in a different FB than Beck, is that we're near the top of the league in fullback usage. So while it's nearly required that your FB can catch, it's absolutely required that your FB can lead block. I can see that the team has been looking at alternate options, with Brevin and Stover, but I don't think they're there yet.
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I could see them carrying a FB, 4 RB's (One who's not currently on the roster) Mixon/Akers/Dare/New guy.

I could also see them carrying 4 TE's

3 QB's
4 RB's
4 TE's One who plays
6 WR's
3 OT's
5 OG's that include Broeker who also can play RT and Patterson who can play Center

2 Centers, Juice/Patterson
 
steelbtexan said:
I could see them carrying a FB, 4 RB's (One who's not currently on the roster) Mixon/Akers/Dare/New guy.

I could also see them carrying 4 TE's

3 QB's
4 RB's
4 TE's One who plays
6 WR's
3 OT's
5 OG's that include Broeker who also can play RT and Patterson who can play Center

2 Centers, Juice/Patterson
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I think the issue is you're leaving the defense short on spots. If you add in LS, K, and P the defense only gets 23 roster spots.
 
cland said:
I think the issue is you're leaving the defense short on spots. If you add in LS, K, and P the defense only gets 23 roster spots.
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1 spot is saved because Patterson is counted as both a C and an OG, so that would make 26 spots on the defense. They may also only carry 3 TE's and let a guy like Kendrick Green play FB. Broeker may be let go. That would get the number down to 24.
 
Porky said:
If I said it had to be highly successful, I misspoke. It helps of course. But what I mean by establishing the run is you have to show it often enough to get them to bite. If you’re extremely pass happy, they have no fear of the run and it makes the passing lanes thst much tighter. In short, one compliments the other and it makes it that much tougher on the D…amd it surely helps if the run game is at least competent although even a trash run game draws guys up…as long as you aren’t way behind or just abandoned the run game.
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Maybe I'll find some of the articles and videos on it if I have the time but NFL nerds have literally done studies showing that linebackers and safeties will still bite even if you haven't run the ball for ages or even if your run game is bad.

There's no correlation between good run game or running the ball often and play action working better or worse.

I understand that's illogical and doesn't really make sense, but that's what the data and video shows. Linebackers and safeties still bite on play action regardless of circumstances.
 
cland said:
I don't know if "proven" is the right word. It didn't prevent us from running PA successfully, but it required us to run (unsuccessfully) on first down to set it up. I think we were pretty lucky to have CJ Stroud, his third down numbers were at the very top of the league.

Give him 2nd and 5 consistently, and this offense is going to go off the charts.
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If proven isn't the right word then I don't know what to say other than a mountain of statistical data evidence and video evidence. Both showing that the amount you run the ball has no correlation to the success of play action and the success of your run plays has no correlation to the success of play action.

Again I understand it's illogical and is completely contrarian to the old adage of "establish the run" but that's what the data and video has shown.
 
Porky said:
If I said it had to be highly successful, I misspoke. It helps of course. But what I mean by establishing the run is you have to show it often enough to get them to bite. If you’re extremely pass happy, they have no fear of the run and it makes the passing lanes thst much tighter. In short, one compliments the other and it makes it that much tougher on the D…amd it surely helps if the run game is at least competent although even a trash run game draws guys up…as long as you aren’t way behind or just abandoned the run game.
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I agree and that's why I indicated that a threat of a successful run or a reception out of the backfield is necessary. I just don't think it has to be more than just a healthy respect that Mixon or Akers could have a huge breaking play.
 
cland said:
I don't know if "proven" is the right word. It didn't prevent us from running PA successfully, but it required us to run (unsuccessfully) on first down to set it up. I think we were pretty lucky to have CJ Stroud, his third down numbers were at the very top of the league.

Give him 2nd and 5 consistently, and this offense is going to go off the charts.
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Unfortunately, based upon the roster as we know it today, a pass play is the only way you're going to get second and five consistently.
 
steelbtexan said:
1 spot is saved because Patterson is counted as both a C and an OG, so that would make 26 spots on the defense. They may also only carry 3 TE's and let a guy like Kendrick Green play FB. Broeker may be let go. That would get the number down to 24.
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That's why I would have Skoronski as TE/FB/WR.
Brevin Jordan the same.

Patterson as OC and OG. Fisher as swing tackle IF Tytus can stay on field and play.
Kenyon Green and Howard still a question mark.
Concern still exists but this is the most confident I have felt about a roster in years.
 
Sweech said:
Maybe I'll find some of the articles and videos on it if I have the time but NFL nerds have literally done studies showing that linebackers and safeties will still bite even if you haven't run the ball for ages or even if your run game is bad.

There's no correlation between good run game or running the ball often and play action working better or worse.

I understand that's illogical and doesn't really make sense, but that's what the data and video shows. Linebackers and safeties still bite on play action regardless of circumstances.
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On a bunny trail, I am hoping that Stroud can get the defensive line to bite and draw more penalties.
 
Sweech said:
If proven isn't the right word then I don't know what to say other than a mountain of statistical data evidence and video evidence. Both showing that the amount you run the ball has no correlation to the success of play action and the success of your run plays has no correlation to the success of play action.

Again I understand it's illogical and is completely contrarian to the old adage of "establish the run" but that's what the data and video has shown.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if that's the case why would Slowik call runs at all? It was clear that we were at the bottom of the league in avg. run yd/att (28th.) And we have a QB that was not only extremely proficient in the pass game, but only threw 5 INTs.

If everything I italicized from your statement is true, then he should have never called a running play..
 
Im not worried about our running game. Mixon has proven himself to be a stable back that can pick up plenty of yards even without the greatest blocking ahead of him. That in itself will allow the play action plays work. As for British Brooks, Id love to see him as a FB. I dont like beck in that position at all...he's not a good lead blocker and isnt a good runner either. Basically any of our options would be better than beck...whether that be Brooks, Brevin Jordan, or Stover
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Mark my words, Brooks is no fluke and he will far exceed expectations soon enough!
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badboy said:
I think it would be sound for you to be hopeful.
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So, back to the BB thread. I love these statements. But before I start marking words and being sound what makes ya’ll say this? We weren’t even talking about BB until Saturday evening. I really like his height-weight ratio…a little smaller than FB Tim Newsome was with the Cowboys but similar proportions. Could he be that guy for us? Love it that NC gave him a three year contract. He doesn’t do this usually for UDFA’s. Can he get those tough yards inside? I’d love to see him a lot next game. I seriously doubt this guy would ever be attempted to hide on our PS so let’s take the car out for a test drive next game. I need another look so I can enjoy marking and sounding, lol but I love the confidence.
 
Dejaview said:
So, back to the BB thread. I love these statements. But before I start marking words and being sound what makes ya’ll say this? We weren’t even talking about BB until Saturday evening. I really like his height-weight ratio…a little smaller than FB Tim Newsome was with the Cowboys but similar proportions. Could he be that guy for us? Love it that NC gave him a three year contract. He doesn’t do this usually for UDFA’s. Can he get those tough yards inside? I’d love to see him a lot next game. I seriously doubt this guy would ever be attempted to hide on our PS so let’s take the car out for a test drive next game. I need another look so I can enjoy marking and sounding, lol but I love the confidence.
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From what I've seen so far, I think he'd be a great backup for Mixon, in terms of his ability to pick up short yardage. Part of me wants him not to play in the last preseason game so that we can stash him on the PS.
 
cland said:
From what I've seen so far, I think he'd be a great backup for Mixon, in terms of his ability to pick up short yardage. Part of me wants him not to play in the last preseason game so that we can stash him on the PS.
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May be too late to hide him on the PS. And why the PS? I’m hoping he’s our FB and we try to get something for Beck. But these are big decisions that I just feel need to be informed by him playing a lot next game. If he fails then PS. If he’s got something then the 50+- man roster whatever it is called.
 
cland said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if that's the case why would Slowik call runs at all? It was clear that we were at the bottom of the league in avg. run yd/att (28th.) And we have a QB that was not only extremely proficient in the pass game, but only threw 5 INTs.

If everything I italicized from your statement is true, then he should have never called a running play..
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If you want to be a decent red zone team, you need a credible running game. Mixon can definitely give us that, and I am increasingly confident that Akers can as well, should Mixon suffer a setback.
 
Dejaview said:
May be too late to hide him on the PS. And why the PS? I’m hoping he’s our FB and we try to get something for Beck. But these are big decisions that I just feel need to be informed by him playing a lot next game. If he fails then PS. If he’s got something then the 50+- man roster whatever it is called.
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I think he's a fairly easy PS stash. Personally can't see anyone claiming him.

Both him and Jordan should pass through waivers fairly easily.
 
Sweech said:
I think he's a fairly easy PS stash. Personally can't see anyone claiming him.

Both him and Jordan should pass through waivers fairly easily.
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not so sure...I think some people will trying to get the inside scoop on our offense and would be more than willing to take a chance on 2 runners that have shown the vision, speed, and ability to run the ball
 
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