Number19
Hall of Fame
That's a Cardinal game. We didn't play Arizonia last year or 2018.. Was that clip from 11/19/17?
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Brandin Cooks to the Texans
- Thread starter Goodwrench3
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That’s Savage
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Yeah, I agree, in my mind we got Stills and a fourth for a second so BOB better not eject him for a sixth or some damn thing
Mystery WR #1 = 40-561-14.0-4 TDs 1 year, $7 million contract.
Mystery WR #2 = 42-583-13.9-2 TDs 4 year, $47 million contract.
If Mystery WR #2 is traded for a 2nd Round pick, why only a 6th or 7th for Mystery WR #1?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Strictly talking about the player now, and not the trade or who he’s replacing, why would a prolific passing attack with Drew Brees at QB get rid of Cooks? Why would a team with Tom Brady get rid of him after 1 year? I know Cooks has put up some very good numbers over the years, but the fact that he’s now on his 4th team in 5 seasons has to send up some sort of red flag, doesn’t it? Hell, the Rams took a huge cap hit to get rid of him.
Maybe those teams just couldn’t pass up what they got in return, but it still raises a concern for me.
Perhaps his strong religious conviction rubbed some the wrong way
banned1976
sleeper mode
Let me borrow a quote “spot on”.
I tried to make myself believe that the Texans offense might actually work out alright with the new cast of characters but I never really embraced that idea. I cherry picked some meaningless stats and was rightfully corrected on them.
The Texans may win some Good Samaritan awards (the first of which should be from the Arizona Cardinals) in 2020/2021 but that’s about it. And I suppose Easterby would be proud to display it in his office, so good for him. His lasting claim to football was he helped two teams get better. Just too bad for us neither one is the Texans.
Just came across this, found this interesting. You should give it a read.
www.turfshowtimes.com
Look back: When the LA Rams signed Brandin Cooks to a monster contract extension
What was being said at the time of the deal for the now-former Rams wideout?
www.turfshowtimes.com
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Brandin Cooks says retirement 'never went through my mind' after concussion
Cameron DaSilva
November 22, 2019 11:02 am ET
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just me but I don't want Pack's late 2nd for Stills. 1.30 and I'm listening.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Correct. You usually lose value when you trade a receiver who knows the system. The team trading for him is not compensating you for that loss.
What would we get for Stills? A 3rd or 4th? And do what, get a receiver who could be almost as capable, but still takes two years to learn the system? Meanwhile, Fuller gets injured again and we have no one else to run vertical routes.
I don't even care for Stills that much, but trading him right now is impractical. Which is probably why it's going to happen.
badboy
Hall of Fame
What I'm hoping for realistic or not is that there is no reason for O'Brien to trade Stills at least that we know of. He has not requested more money nor has he been publicized as being in the coach's dog house or a detriment to the team in public relations. To trade Stills he has to need cap space this year or think a draft pick will bring a better player at some position than what Stills would offer. I guess we could go with 3 wide receivers in Cooks, Fuller and Cobbs and hope nobody gets hurt.
If Stills is dealt for a late 2nd, you’ll hear nothing but praise from me. It would be like O’Brien had just broken up a perfect game with two outs in the bottom of the ninth with a solo blast to the upper deck.
I’m missing some baseball right now.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Man, the talk for Ruiz is heating up once again. I think Miami is going to be zeroing in on him since they’ve got more than enough picks to work with. QB, OT and OC could be their RD1. Adjusted my 2020 and 2021 OL projections.
As for the Texans, I’m going with Wilson as my #40 pick since I feel most confident that he’d be there for the taking.
He's worth more to the Texans than that,
Unless they can turn his 7 mil and Fulton's 7 mil into an upgrade at RG in FA. Then draft a WR late as depth, (I like Derrick Dillon/Tyrie Cleveland (Bring him home) as 4th WR ST's guy,
Wouldn't finishing off the OL be a good thing.
Heck, for 14 mil on a 1 yr deal you could probably get Clowney back if you wanted to go that way.. LMAO
Wilson the OT/OG from Georgia?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Yes....this guy is one hellava of a talented mountain. I’ve seen some projections that move him inside. It makes him versatile enough to cover OT in a pinch or necessity. What I would get excited about, pairing him and a healthy Howard up on the right side.
That would complete the OL.
Then you could use the 7 mil * the 7 mil they would save in cutting/trading Fulton and trading Stills to sign a guy like Everson Griffen plus have cap space left over.
I’ve fallen in love with Wilson at 40. I really think he’s gone by then but man just like you said, put him at RG and he’s talented enough to play OT in a pinch. That solidifies the OL for the next 5 years. If we sign Tunsil oof course.
our run game improves tenfold with Wilson. He would have a huge impact on the offense. Having said that if one of the top 5 or six OTs fall I wouldn’t pass him up either. Spend the rest of the draft on defense.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Problem with that is, the only person who would give up a 2nd for Stills is O’Brien.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Its really a treat to log in and read tall tales about trading KENNY STILLS for a MID 2nd round pick!!!! LOLLL
No, NO, NOOO you DO NOT DARE pick an interior OL with the first pick in THIS draft!! Far too deep, far too many explosive players and more pressing positional needs.
Almost as bad as those guys who are recently mocking a RUNNING BACK with the 1st pick!!
Best case scenario:
No, NO, NOOO you DO NOT DARE pick an interior OL with the first pick in THIS draft!! Far too deep, far too many explosive players and more pressing positional needs.
Almost as bad as those guys who are recently mocking a RUNNING BACK with the 1st pick!!
Best case scenario:
I may be in the minority, but I'm expecting a TE somewhere in this draft. lolIts really a treat to log in and read tall tales about trading KENNY STILLS for a MID 2nd round pick!!!! LOLLL
No, NO, NOOO you DO NOT DARE pick an interior OL with the first pick in THIS draft!! Far too deep, far too many explosive players and more pressing positional needs.
Almost as bad as those guys who are recently mocking a RUNNING BACK with the 1st pick!!
Best case scenario:
Stills is probably the most versatile WR on the roster. He can be effective in the slot and outside. He's a great insurance for all three WRs and would even help manage their snap counts to maximize their availability for 16 games. That makes too much sense. Put him on the trading block.
If they used Stills money to get a different maker edge in fa and drafted a WR would you be on board?
Here is an article telling us that Cooks and Fuller runs the same routes. It's interesting that the majority of Fuller's deep routes are on the right and Cooks are on the left.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...run-the-same-routes/ar-BB12Iv7B?ocid=msedgntp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...run-the-same-routes/ar-BB12Iv7B?ocid=msedgntp
Killer Bee
Waterboy
Badboy hit the nail on the head. A Stills trade for a draft pick only makes sense as a cap relief measure. It's unlikely the Texans will be able to retain him next year after Tunsil and Watson bend O'Brien over with their extensions. An extension decision will need to be made on Fuller and Cunningham as well.
I like Stills a lot but he's an expensive backup at this point. That said, he was great last year and I'd like to keep him for when Fuller inevitably goes down. A 6th or 7th round draft pick is a joke. I could live with a 3rd but let's face it, its Bill O'Brien we're talking about. I'm curious to know how the league views the rookie WRs this year and their expected productivity with the lack of a normal offseason program. Veteran WRs may have a little extra value this year.
I like Stills a lot but he's an expensive backup at this point. That said, he was great last year and I'd like to keep him for when Fuller inevitably goes down. A 6th or 7th round draft pick is a joke. I could live with a 3rd but let's face it, its Bill O'Brien we're talking about. I'm curious to know how the league views the rookie WRs this year and their expected productivity with the lack of a normal offseason program. Veteran WRs may have a little extra value this year.
There should be a lot of underneath stuff open.
Killer Bee
Waterboy
Well I don't know about the rest of the NFL, but it's clear how O'Brien feels about rookies this year. Maybe he'll trade Stills for a player who would start at a position of greater need. Then draft a rookie WR to develop who may contribute by the end of the season.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Bill O'Brien: It will be a "veteran type of year" due to virtual offseason programs
The Texans traded away their 2020 first-round pick in the deal that netted left tackle Laremy Tunsil from the Dolphins last year and it doesn't sound like head coach and General Manager Bill O'Brien is going to be lamenting its absence next week.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Most rookies show a significant learning curve empirically. And if you look back historically, those who have missed parts of or all of offseason activities (especially WRs) have had a very difficult time breaking in for playing time their rookie year..........and if they do, it is usually in the tail end of the season if not the next year. Virtual activities for most players, let alone rookies would almost have to be considered a joke for getting prepared for real games. Not only would you have to expect poorer play/execution, but also more injuries. In the case of the rookies, they will essentially not be given the needed time nor on-hands guidance to build strength and technique for them to succeed.Well I don't know about the rest of the NFL, but it's clear how O'Brien feels about rookies this year. Maybe he'll trade Stills for a player who would start at a position of greater need. Then draft a rookie WR to develop who may contribute by the end of the season.
Bill O'Brien: It will be a "veteran type of year" due to virtual offseason programs
The Texans traded away their 2020 first-round pick in the deal that netted left tackle Laremy Tunsil from the Dolphins last year and it doesn't sound like head coach and General Manager Bill O'Brien is going to be lamenting its absence next week.
Those not being fans of O'Brien's philosophy towards rookies should at least be reasonable about this being an atypical year being grossly disrupted by COVID-19.........a year that undoubtedly will leave rookies quite vulnerable to failure.
I see his point. Which makes trading an All Pro WR that's been in the system for 6 seasons for a draft pick all the more moronic.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree and that's why I want 1.30 from Packers. If they insist on cootie along with it I would make that a done deal
badboy
Hall of Fame
I could see O'Brien have a semi offer on the board now where he would draft a wide receiver at some point and then later make the trade. Of course picking up a free agent after trading stills (cap) probably a greater chance
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Hilarious to see people actually arguing over the Texans 2020 draft. What draft?
badboy
Hall of Fame
I believe O'Brien thinks his starters are set so any draft pick coming in is not expected to perform this season Other than spot relief. This allows him to select players that we wouldn't necessarily choose. What I keep trying to focus on is it appears O'Brien needs 2020 to be his signature year.Well I don't know about the rest of the NFL, but it's clear how O'Brien feels about rookies this year. Maybe he'll trade Stills for a player who would start at a position of greater need. Then draft a rookie WR to develop who may contribute by the end of the season.
Bill O'Brien: It will be a "veteran type of year" due to virtual offseason programs
The Texans traded away their 2020 first-round pick in the deal that netted left tackle Laremy Tunsil from the Dolphins last year and it doesn't sound like head coach and General Manager Bill O'Brien is going to be lamenting its absence next week.
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Decim8
Veteran
Damn
Damn I actually liked stills
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I definitely see Coutee out of here. But unless the Texans are really feeling under the gun for the cap or for Draft personnel without trade, I would be very surprised if Stills is gone. Duplication of receivers is a positive, especially when there is any concern over injury, and especially invaluable when Stills can stretch the field or play slot.
I’d be ok with that to. I’d also be ok with a CB, the right S or a RB. There are some really good players going to be available @40. I just want one of them. I have a feeling it’s going to be a serious reach. I just know easterbob is going to try and be the smartest guy in the room and pick someone that 99% of the entire world Thinks would of still been available Two rounds later. all I’m saying is drafting the right O linemen would make a huge impact on this offense And you can’t really go wrong in this draft if you go OL early. I mean easterbob could draft a freakin TE and would it really surprise you? Just sayin you might want to lower your expectations.Its really a treat to log in and read tall tales about trading KENNY STILLS for a MID 2nd round pick!!!! LOLLL
No, NO, NOOO you DO NOT DARE pick an interior OL with the first pick in THIS draft!! Far too deep, far too many explosive players and more pressing positional needs.
Almost as bad as those guys who are recently mocking a RUNNING BACK with the 1st pick!!
Best case scenario:
I get that OL isn’t sexy but this would be the final touches on the OL that we’ve all been wanting for the last decade. at least we would have that for our next coach.
absolutely except at this point nothing would surprise me.
Riblet
Penthouse
I disagree. You have to take contract negotiations on a case by case basis, I would make the case that you pay Nuk instead of trading him for peanuts.
I mean at least get a first rounder for him if they knew the contract situation was going to run into the season (he was going to sit out) and it was going to be an ongoing issue I don't see how you cannot make a good trade instead of rushing him out the door.
I understand your concern about him creating issues with other players wanting more money, but really? We are talking about Hopkins here, not Will Fuller.
You have a couple of seasons before Watson gets paid, and honestly you could make JJ take less money or even let him go somewhere else and use half that money to keep your star receiver. Instead they are running cooks and Johnson.
There's only one FA EDGE difference maker left: JDC. No way is he coming back to the Texans.
Everson Griffen is out there and he should be cheaper than JDC. He's a better pass rusher too. The dude from the Jags is still out there.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yannick Ngakoue is still a Jaguar. We will have to trade for him. He also wants to get paid.
Aren’t we against players that want to get a raise?
I can’t keep up anymore with all these changes.