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Badboy's 2020 offseason: draft/FA/trades

A couple of IOL prospects that intrigue me:
Robert Hunt:would require an early pick but is a guy who could quickly replace Fulton at RG and could even play some RT in a pinch.
Solomon Kindley: Probably a 3rd or 4th round pick, has started at RG & LG in the SEC for the past 3 seasons.
Kevin Dotson: Road grader with better than expected movement ability. 4th or 5th round?
Tyre Phillips:LARGE man with G/T flexibility. Bully. 5th round?
Michael Onwenu: See Dotson above. 4th or 5th round?
Gage Cervenka: his technique needs work but his tools are elite. Pre-injury Greg Mancz is his floor in my opinion (ability to play all 3 IOL positions at a near starter level). 6th round to UDFA
 
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Childress79 said:
A couple of IOL prospects that intrigue me:
Kevin Dotson: Road grader with better than expected movement ability.
Tyre Phillips:LARGE man with G/T flexibility. Bully.
Michael Onwenu: See Dotson above.
Gage Cervenka: his technique needs work but his tools are elite. Pre-injury Greg Mancz is his floor in my opinion (ability to play all 3 IOL positions at a near starter level).
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Damien Lewis - OG LSU and Gage Cervenka might well be the strongest men in the draft !
 
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Cervenka also is a good mover at 325. I have read where he has been timed at 4.41 on the short shuttle (4.5 is considered a benchmark time for oline). So he is big, strong and quick. He also was a state champion wrestler, so he understands leverage. Add in the fact that he is from Clemson and has position flexibility and he seems to me to be the perfect Bill Obrien draft pick for us in the 6th or 7th round (he could even go undrafted but I'd want to get him locked in). The only drawback is that he just converted from Dline to Oline in the last year or two so he needs some work on his technique as I previously mentioned.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Hunt’s draft stock has been moving up. I think he might go in Rd 2. While I like him, I don’t know if I want to draft him with the 57th pick.
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Yep he's all over the board on many mocks. I like to look at those where a fan who knows his team make the picks. The one I saw last night had him late third. I really like him and posted a link somewhere some time ago, he is going to be really good. I compare him to Scharping in that he can plat OT but probably a long time starter at guard. If we take care of corner in FA I could see locking him up a round higher as we did Scharpie.
 
badboy said:
Yep he's all over the board on many mocks. I like to look at those where a fan who knows his team make the picks. The one I saw last night had him late third. I really like him and posted a link somewhere some time ago, he is going to be really good. I compare him to Scharping in that he can plat OT but probably a long time starter at guard. If we take care of corner in FA I could see locking him up a round higher as we did Scharpie.
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I like Hunt too.

But I hope they sign a CB in FA and get the best CB possible or S in rd. 2. Gotta fix the secondary with some young blood. My dream scenario would be Gladney in rd. 2 and either Dugger/Noah I in rd 3. If I had to trade up to the top of 3rd for Dugger/Noah I that would be a move I would make to add badly needed speed to the secondary.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Hunt too.

But I hope they sign a CB in FA and get the best CB possible or S in rd. 2. Gotta fix the secondary with some young blood. My dream scenario would be Gladney in rd. 2 and either Dugger/Noahttps://steelersdepot.com/2020/02/2020-nfl-draft-player-profiles-louisiana-ol-robert-hunt/h I in rd 3. If I had to trade up to the top of 3rd for Dugger/Noah I that would be a move I would make to add badly needed speed to the secondary.
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Can't wait to watch him next week .... man, he's got some serious bad weight to shed .... picture above.
 
Brandon Dunn signed a 3 year, $12,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including a $1,500,000 signing bonus, $4,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000. In 2020, Dunn will earn a base salary of $2,500,000, a signing bonus of $1,500,000 and a roster bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $3,500,000 and a dead cap value of $4,000,000.

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IIRC his 2019 cap hit was $2m and I can live with 3.5 as he should be even better as a starter.
 
badboy said:
Brandon Dunn signed a 3 year, $12,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including a $1,500,000 signing bonus, $4,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000. In 2020, Dunn will earn a base salary of $2,500,000, a signing bonus of $1,500,000 and a roster bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $3,500,000 and a dead cap value of $4,000,000.

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IIRC his 2019 cap hit was $2m and I can live with 3.5 as he should be even better as a starter.
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Glad they signed him .... we need to sign Reader too ! There's a lot of board members calling for letting go of Reader. There's a reason Watt constantly sings his praises .... he the #7 rated DL man in football. There is only one player on the team rated higher at a position. He is a receiver with big, Venus Fly Trap hands, and he's rated at #5 in wr's. JJ is a smart man. He doesn't speak without thinking .... probably make a great senator ! Oh, and JJ is rated at #9 in DL men .... DW4 is tied for #8 in QB's. Reid rated at #12 in the safeties. Duke Johnson - #15, Carlos Hyde - #18. Cunningham #21 and McKinney #30 - just got his ankle repaired ! Tunsil #21 .... Scherff would be #10 ! Actually, a pretty good distribution of talent !
 
I've been thinking of the dilemma facing OB's offense and Watson's skill set. OB has tried for 6 seasons to find a QB who could master his complicated, and to date....highly ineffective, offense.

Also, it appears the McNair family is firmly behind having OB run this organization in a manner that allows his vision to be pursued with little pushback. The problem, OB's offense hasn't been productive and at some point, he has to find a real OC that can somehow tie his ideas and Watson's skill set together.

I think there is an attainable coach out there for the taking.....his name, Tony Elliott- Asst Coach/Asst OC/RB Coach for Clemson. He was Asst OC in both the 2016 and 2018 National Championship wins. He's also had time with Watson and possibly has much better insight as to what can be done with Watson's skill set. He's also the one who's set the Clemson ground game up for the success it has enjoyed. As for the Texans, they could use a bump in both areas.

Tony Elliott attended a US Air Force Academy Prep School as a football recruit, then moved to Clemson and played football as a walk-on. He was later named a Team Captain which is statement as to who those guy was. He stayed with Clemson after his playing days were over. I like his make-up and he's young....40 years old.
 
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Glad they signed him .... we need to sign Reader too ! There's a lot of board members calling for letting go of Reader. There's a reason Watt constantly sings his praises .... he the #7 rated DL man in football. There is only one player on the team rated higher at a position. He is a receiver with big, Venus Fly Trap hands, and he's rated at #5 in wr's. JJ is a smart man. He doesn't speak without thinking .... probably make a great senator ! Oh, and JJ is rated at #9 in DL men .... DW4 is tied for #8 in QB's. Reid rated at #12 in the safeties. Duke Johnson - #15, Carlos Hyde - #18. Cunningham #21 and McKinney #30 - just got his ankle repaired ! Tunsil #21 .... Scherff would be #10 ! Actually, a pretty good distribution of talent !
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I think team agrees with you but he's prob asking for DE money not Nose and they should not pay him that. Love Reader, in fact IIRC I brought him to this board and in a mock draft I selected him in 5th round. However, a run stopper which he basically is can be drafted or even better next man up already on roster. No that person may not be as good as DJ but for difference in $ should be solid.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I've been thinking of the dilemma facing OB's offense and Watson's skill set. OB has tried for 6 seasons to find a QB who could master his complicated, and to date....highly ineffective, offense.

Also, it appears the McNair family is firmly behind having OB run this organization in a manner that allows his vision to be pursued with little pushback. The problem, OB's offense hasn't been productive and at some point, he has to find a real OC that can somehow tie his ideas and Watson's skill set together.

I think there is an attainable coach out there for the taking.....his name, Tony Elliott- Asst Coach/Asst OC/RB Coach for Clemson. He was Asst OC in both the 2016 and 2018 National Championship wins. He's also had time with Watson and possibly has much better insight as to what can be done with Watson's skill set. He's also the one who's set the Clemson ground game up for the success it has enjoyed. As for the Texans, they could use a bump in both areas.

Tony Elliott attended a US Air Force Academy Prep School as a football recruit, then moved to Clemson and played football as a walk-on. He was later named a Team Captain which is statement as to who those guy was. He stayed with Clemson after his playing days were over. I like his make-up and he's young....40 years old.
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Agree and I've considered Elliott but I don't think he will accept OBrien's "oversight"? We need to get that OBrien is not going anywhere for now and most likely 2021 at minimum. Nor is he changing his philosophy which he is in control of the offense.
 
Byron Jones CB:
Pegged as arguably the top cornerback available this offseason, Jones is in position to have himself quite a market, especially if the Dallas Cowboys lose the opportunity of placing the transition tag on him with a new CBA on the horizon. According to CBS Sports' Patrik Walker, Dallas will not get into a bidding war for Jones' services, so he could be had at the right price by a rival club.
The former first round pick was a Pro Bowler in 2018 and still kept his play at an elite level in 2019, serving as one of the better outside corners in the league. He totaled 46 tackles last season with six passes defended and was particularly impressive in press-man coverage. According to Pro Football Focus, his .39 yards per coverage snap in press-man last season was the second lowest in the league.
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2020 NFL free agent defensive backs: Chris Harris and Byron Jones lead deep group

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If I could get FS Anthony Harris (Vikings) for about 8-9 per cap hit, I'd be interested. He was better than Reid and we don't know how good Gipson will be. That would be a strong rotation and could be desired in a 17 games season. He's 28 but 60 tackles, 11 passes defended and six INTs with one returned for TD is pretty darn sweet for one year.
 
I like the idea of signing a veteran (Jones, Waynes, Bouye, Bradberry, Harris or Norman) fa as our CB1, Conley as CB2 and then a draft pick (Johnson, Pride, Guidry, Javaris Davis or Levonta Taylor) for depth or slot duties.
 
• Embarrassment of riches at receiver. Last year in the draft, 12 wide receivers went in a 52-pick span, between 25th overall (Marquise Brown) and 76th (Terry McLaurin). It’s amazing how many had instant impact in year one: Brown, McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, A.J. Brown, Mecole Hardman and DK Metcalf. This year, Jeremiah has given 27 receivers grades in the top three rounds; he says it’s the best draft for receivers in the 18 years he’s scouted college players. Since three receivers got picked in the top 10 in 2017 (Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross went 5-7-9) and significantly underachieved, teams have largely taken the attitude that since there are so many good ones in the crop, let’s pass on receiver now and get one in the third our fourth round—such as McLaurin at 76 last year by Washington.

“It’s not just last year where we’ve seen the day two group [rounds two and three] outshine or at least be neck and neck with the day one group,” Jeremiah said. “I think this class this year goes deeper than that. Last year, I probably had 18 or 19 players with top-three-round grades. This year there’s just more of them.

“And it makes sense, with the way the game is being played. These college teams are playing four and five wide receivers at all times. These guys are catching a million balls and the NFL offenses are still asking these guys to swallow a phone book playbook. When you look at what Deebo Samuel did in the Super Bowl . . . Just get the ball in his hands. Use him in the run game. Throw to him. Everything.” Which brings us to . . .

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Childress79 said:
I like the idea of signing a veteran (Jones, Waynes, Bouye, Bradberry, Harris or Norman) fa as our CB1, Conley as CB2 and then a draft pick (Johnson, Pride, Guidry, Javaris Davis or Levonta Taylor) for depth or slot duties.
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Amik Robertson is my favorite slot guy, along with Taylor in rd 4/5.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would let Reader walk and use that $$$$ to sign this guy. Then hopefully one of the top CB's fall to the top of rd.2 and I would trade up for that guy. Danzler or Gladney are guys guy I think might fall to that range.
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I would really hate to lose Reader but if we could use the cash to nab Harris I would reluctantly agree.
 
Jason Cantaflora and Ian Rappoport now reporting Trent Williams still wants restructured deal or trade from Washington. Still owed about $5 mill from 2019 and over $10 for 2020. Posting here as his future could impact draft. He is 31 and did not play despite reporting in October IIRC. This could impact FA if Scherff explores that option.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont know enough about Poole to have an opinion.
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47. CB BRIAN POOLE
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Coming off his best season, Poole posted an 80.0 coverage grade and allowed only 7.4 yards per reception in 2019, and he hits the market as an experienced slot corner. He graded in the 60.0s in coverage for the Falcons between 2016 and 2018 and missed double-digit tackles in all three seasons. Poole has played almost exclusively in the slot, so look for that to continue no matter where he ends up.
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I don't think the Texans biggest need is slot corner
 
JB said:
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I don't think the Texans biggest need is slot corner
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neither is our biggest need a rushing outside linebacker but we can get one of those in free agency also. We can get Jones, Poole, Anderson at wide receiver and an olb like Vic Beasley & still have money left over in our cap. Then use our 7 draft picks for backup and development players. With our major needs we could even trade up several picks to get another third round for example. Why hope that a third or fourth round cornerback can beat out a slot cornerback in his prime with a reasonable contract?
 
badboy said:
neither is our biggest need a rushing outside linebacker but we can get one of those in free agency also. We can get Jones, Poole, Anderson at wide receiver and an olb like Vic Beasley & still have money left over in our cap. Then use our 7 draft picks for backup and development players. With our major needs we could even trade up several picks to get another third round for example. Why hope that a third or fourth round cornerback can beat out a slot cornerback in his prime with a reasonable contract?
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What do you think our biggest need is?
 
TexansFan15 said:
What do you think our biggest need is?
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#1 CB and that would be Byron Jones. I like Conley a lot and and think that he could be our number one guy but if you can get a guy like Jones without a stupid contract that's the way to go, taking pressure off Conley who could be our CB2. Lonnie Johnson may be slot but if I could get Poole for that role I could have Lonnie backup corner and backup safety the latter being his best spot in my opinion. Although I think Ejiofor will be the real deal, I would also pick up a vet free agent like Beasley
 
badboy said:
#1 CB and that would be Byron Jones. I like Conley a lot and and think that he could be our number one guy but if you can get a guy like Jones without a stupid contract that's the way to go, taking pressure off Conley who could be our CB2. Lonnie Johnson may be slot but if I could get Poole for that role I could have Lonnie backup corner and backup safety the latter being his best spot in my opinion. Although I think Ejiofor will be the real deal, I would also pick up a vet free agent like Beasley
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I’m hoping Ejiofer heals well and comes back strong. I don’t know how an Achilles injury will effect him though.
 
TexansFan15 said:
I rank Edge and CB as top needs. Although I’d love a coverage LB/S to be added as well.
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A great coverage LB would be a great add. This isn't the draft to find one. IMHO

You could get a big S like Dugger/Chinn to play nickle LB though.

Hopefully they sign a FA CB that can be a CB1 and draft another that falls into the 2nd rd that can be a starter. Then add a nickle CB like Robertson/Taylor in rd 4-5.

A DB room with CB's

Byron Jones/Conley/Danzler/Roberton/L.Johnson would be much improved.

Also if Dugger is there at 52 he would be my pick. They need depth in personnel that can cover TE's. A DB room with S like Reid/Gipson/Dugger/Moore would be a very versatile S group. Dugger is a guy who would be able to play the Quin role as a S/Nickle LB.

This would add much needed speed to the secondary. I would be very happy with this draft if they came out of it with the secondary having much more speed and talent on defense and add a WR with speed and a 3 down RB.

I value an interior guy that can rush the passer more than an edge because I think Martin has the ability to develop into the edge all of the fans are clamoring for. If BOB doesn't feel this way, then he should sign Quinn in FA. IMHO
 
TexansFan15 said:
I’m hoping Ejiofer heals well and comes back strong. I don’t know how an Achilles injury will effect him though.
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Agree and he also had shoulder injury. We also know that our former RB from U.Tx did not do well though there was some Indication that it was between his ears rather than in his leg that kept him from having a successful return. That is why I would find a free agent
 
steelbtexan said:
A great coverage LB would be a great add. This isn't the draft to find one. IMHO

You could get a big S like Dugger/Chinn to play nickle LB though.

Hopefully they sign a FA CB that can be a CB1 and draft another that falls into the 2nd rd that can be a starter. Then add a nickle CB like Robertson/Taylor in rd 4-5.

A DB room with CB's

Byron Jones/Conley/Danzler/Roberton/L.Johnson would be much improved.

Also if Dugger is there at 52 he would be my pick. They need depth in personnel that can cover TE's. A DB room with S like Reid/Gipson/Dugger/Moore would be a very versatile S group. Dugger is a guy who would be able to play the Quin role as a S/Nickle LB.

This would add much needed speed to the secondary. I would be very happy with this draft if they came out of it with the secondary having much more speed and talent on defense and add a WR with speed and a 3 down RB.

I value an interior guy that can rush the passer more than an edge because I think Martin has the ability to develop into the edge all of the fans are clamoring for. If BOB doesn't feel this way, then he should sign Quinn in FA. IMHO
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Isn't a returning tashaun gipson supposed to be the type safety to handle the Nickelback position? I am hoping that keeps us from having to draft Someone to handle tight ends. I am really hoping that O'Brien is very aggressive as well as successful in free agency. We should be able to get at least one corner, pass-rusher and a wide receiver like Anderson...please!!
 
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Isn't a returning tashaun gipson supposed to be the type safety to handle the Nickelback position? I am hoping that keeps us from having to draft Someone to handle tight ends. I am really hoping that O'Brien is very aggressive as well as successful in free agency. We should be able to get at least one corner, pass-rusher and a wide receiver like Anderson...please!!
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I'm looking at Dugger as a nickle LB like Quin was and an insurance policy if Gipson gets hurt. Teams are in nickle I read somewhere about 65% of the time. You would be killing 2 birds with one stone. Plus Dugger is really gifted athletically and has only scratched the surface of his potential. I'm looking at high end talent guys more than the positions they play.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm looking at Dugger as a nickle LB like Quin was and an insurance policy if Gipson gets hurt. Teams are in nickle I read somewhere about 65% of the time. You would be killing 2 birds with one stone. Plus Dugger is really gifted athletically and has only scratched the surface of his potential. I'm looking at high end talent guys more than the positions they play.
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I would jump through fire if we drafted Dugger. With him and Reid in the backfield we would have a solid S room.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm looking at Dugger as a nickle LB like Quin was and an insurance policy if Gipson gets hurt. Teams are in nickle I read somewhere about 65% of the time. You would be killing 2 birds with one stone. Plus Dugger is really gifted athletically and has only scratched the surface of his potential. I'm looking at high end talent guys more than the positions they play.
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I like Dugger but not sure I want to give up number 52 overall for a backup insurance policy. With all we need we need to use that pic for a starter if possible.
 
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I would jump through fire if we drafted Dugger. With him and Reid in the backfield we would have a solid S room.
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You identify a part of the problem that I see with Duggar. Everything I see or read about the guy he is a free safety who could with time become a strong safety yet you're wanting to match him with another free safety in Reid. Not happening. He has to out perform Reid to play his natural position or eventually beat out Gipson for strong safety. Everything again about this guy says Needs Several games if not entire season to develop. Impressive athlete but not beating out one of our starters.
 
badboy said:
I like Dugger but not sure I want to give up number 52 overall for a backup insurance policy. With all we need we need to use that pic for a starter if possible.
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Since 65% of defensive plays are in nickle you would essentially be getting a starter. The main thing for me is Dugger is going to be really good and you cant go wrong drafting really good players.
 
Guys .... providing that we don't trade for any DBs .... would it be safe to say that we need to draft a strong safety and 2 cornerbacks ? Lonnie Johnson ranked extremely low after the season .... any chance he could transition to SS ?
 
justmy2cents said:
Guys .... providing that we don't trade for any DBs .... would it be safe to say that we need to draft a strong safety and 2 cornerbacks ? Lonnie Johnson ranked extremely low after the season .... any chance he could transition to SS ?
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No. Texans signed Tashuan Gipson to be SS for years. I just posted that Cowboys appear to be willing to release cornerback Byron Jones Rather than paying him 14 million a year which we can afford. as you mentioned a 2nd CB I would pick up Poole in free agency for slot corner at about $8 m. WR Robbie Anderson getting radio mention recently at $10 m (Fuller who I trade for Dwayne Haskins). Since the day we drafted Lonnie I argued that he would be better at strong safety especially with his speed.

Great questions!
 
` reportedly Jags wanting to trade quarterback Nick Foles AND go with Menshew. Would have to add something due to Foles $ 22. + million cap hit for 2020. Also Ian Rapoport if Brady doesn't return to New England Interested in trading for Dalton 3x pro bowl.
 
badboy said:
` reportedly Jags wanting to trade quarterback Nick Foles AND go with Menshew. Would have to add something due to Foles $ 22. + million cap hit for 2020. Also Ian Rapoport if Brady doesn't return to New England Interested in trading for Dalton 3x pro bowl.
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Jags dug themselves in a deep hole that they’re going to have a hard time getting out of.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they cut Bouye and some other vets
 
TexansFan15 said:
Jags traded Bouye to Broncos today
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Yes, I just found out earlier today and now have time to correct my earlier post. Not sure what happened; if wrong info or somehow team pulled him back to trade but not sure how that would work. Perhap a deal like we did with Hyde and our former Olineman.
 
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