Andre Johnson released - cut by Colts - signs with Titans

[Texecutioner]

Can you shorten your trolling to something like "you suck" so I don't have to wade through your drivel?

Thx

So you haven't been a huge Texans organization apologist for everything Smithiak did for all those years? Okkkaaaay.

I'm just surprised that you're so quick to throw these guys under the bus like they're a bunch of clowns all of a sudden. These are the guys that you've defended pretty hard for a long time. I'm curious as to why?

 

[TEXANRED]

Yep, lets fire a guy who as a rookie HC went 9-7 (Albeit against an easy schedule) with basically the same team that went 2-14 the yr before, because Smith/BOB cut a 34 yr old fan favorite WR. Brilliant I tell you, just brilliant.

don't be an ass.

 

[infantrycak]

So you haven't been a huge Texans organization apologist for everything Smithiak did for all those years? Okkkaaaay.

I'm just surprised that you're so quick to throw these guys under the bus like they're a bunch of clowns all of a sudden. These are the guys that you've defended pretty hard for a long time.

Not going to debate you mischaracterizing me or "most on this MB" or otherwise declaring yourself nearly martyred and yet victorious over the ignorant masses, etc. It's a tired shtick.

If you want to discuss the topic at hand some time give me a shout.

 

[Texecutioner]

Not going to debate you mischaracterizing me or "most on this MB" or otherwise declaring yourself nearly martyred and yet victorious over the ignorant masses, etc. It's a tired shtick.

If you want to discuss the topic at hand some time give me a shout.

So why are you so quick to believe AJ's because he didn't get what he wanted going back to last season, and so fast to stop believing in the Texans way?


Remember that AJ could have likely gotten a trade last season had he not been completely dumb about it and threw a fit to get traded months after FA and the draft took place? Had AJ made those demands at this time last season to get traded it likely would have happened. AJ has had sour grapes ever since, and his agent has been knucklehead for years as well. I'm not suggesting that AJ is lying by any means either. Just saying that this isn't as cut and dry as people would like to believe.

 

[DocBar]

I remember 2010 and it led to us drafting J.J. Watt. The best thing that ever happened to this franchise since drafting Andre Johnson in 2003. I doubt we'll have that type of historically awful secondary play again. If our front seven is healthy and playing at the type of level we expect to see... We could start a rookie at both starting cornerback poitions and free safety (three rookies total in the secondary), and still be a good defensive unit in 2015. Our team pass rush has potential to be among the best in the entire league. J.J. Watt is already aiming for a record third 20-plus sack season. Breaking his own current record of two seasons. We need Jadeveon Clowney to stay healthy and live up to his #1 overall pick status. Clowney and Cushing are both coming off serious surgeries but both are on pace to be ready for the 2015 season. How much they participate in off-season programs are yet to be seen.

The Texans defense is one JJ Watt injury away from being 33rd out of 32 defenses in the league with all of the current starters on the roster (including FA's).

Counting on Watt to have a 3rd 20 sack season is ridiculous. Hell, he's the only player in NFL history to do it twice. It's that hard to do.

Counting on JDC and Cush is the definition of counting your eggs before they hatch. JDC had a major knee operation that has been well chronicled by our resident surgical expert, and the diagnosis was mediocre at best. The same expert had a poor prognosis for Cush, considering his tibeal plateau fracture.

Do a little research on pass rush productivity. Minus Watt, the Texans were horrible, even with Merci's "break out" year. And that was supposed to be his strong suit.

 

[infantrycak]

So why are you so quick to believe AJ's because he didn't get what he wanted going back to last season, and so fast to stop believing in the Texans way?

1) I think 90% of peoples' declarations on "the Texans' way" is junk. So I generally deal one issue at a time.

2) Just like in the NSZ if it isn't stated explicitly, it's pretty obviously implicit by most that their opinions are based on the information then available.

Right now based on what we know and without assuming AJ is a liar on this issue the Texans look like monkeys fornicating a football. That's purely on how things have been handled. I see the rationale behind cutting AJ or asking for a pay cut. I wanted them to get his cap lower as well. I disagree with their choice but have no pitchfork over the financial decision.

 

[steelbtexan]

Can you shorten your trolling to something like "you suck" so I don't have to wade through your drivel?

Thx

LOL

 

[Texan_Bill]

Well on the bright side this clears an opening for jacoby jones to return.

I just punched myself in the face. What a downer.

Not only did I just cyber punch you in the face, I literally punched myself in the junk for that thought......

With a very highly pitched voice.......... "Damn you man!"

 

[Thorn]

This thread is certainly entertaining.

 

[steelbtexan]

Not me. Dale and I were in the big AJ thread stating this would likely happen last season when everyone was in rage about the idea that AJ wasn't the same elite receiver he had been for his entire career.

I'm not knee jerking here like everyone else and taking AJ's word as oak. I'm sure the conversation didn't go exactly how people are trying to make the masses believe. We weren't there to hear the conversation. I'm sure it wasn't as simple as them declaring a number and saying he couldn't even think of surpassing that.

This is the NFL. The Texans have been an organization that has had a reputation for lacking a backbone for a while now. OB comes from NE, where they will cut your ass in a second. Make no mistake about the fact that NE will cut Brady's ass the minute they feel he is no longer Brady. I'm not saying that is the best way about doing business, because it has not always worked for the Pats the way that people like to believe. I've discussed that with you a few times if you remember. That whole NE way isn't always picnics and rainbows like people like to think. I expected this little sit down to take place though. It sucks that it happened the way it did from AJ's perspective at least. I didn't expect to see AJ as a Texan this year though. I just want this organization to focus 100% on finding a franchise QB though. I don't see us being able to ever doing anything until we find that guy. Until then, we're just another team. WR shouldn't be a huge need to me until we address the QB situation. I'm fine stacking the Oline, Dline, and the defense until we can find a franchise QB. Getting a replacement for Foster is a big plan that needs to become important as well.

I believe I was with y'all on this. It was inevitable and should've happened last yr when AJ told management he wanted to leave. The only fault management has is they dragged their feet on a decision that should've been made last yr. I do understand the position they were in at that time though.

To me AJ never bought into what BOB was selling.

 

[mussop]

The Texans defense is one JJ Watt injury away from being 33rd out of 32 defenses in the league with all of the current starters on the roster (including FA's).

Counting on Watt to have a 3rd 20 sack season is ridiculous. Hell, he's the only player in NFL history to do it twice. It's that hard to do.

Counting on JDC and Cush is the definition of counting your eggs before they hatch. JDC had a major knee operation that has been well chronicled by our resident surgical expert, and the diagnosis was mediocre at best. The same expert had a poor prognosis for Cush, considering his tibeal plateau fracture.

Do a little research on pass rush productivity. Minus Watt, the Texans were horrible, even with Merci's "break out" year. And that was supposed to be his strong suit.

I totally agree. The defense NEEDS players everywhere. We need a starting NT. Powell sucked and is a FA. Pickett was decent but is old and might retire and is a FA. Nix is a huge question mark. Who do we have backing up Crick and Watt at DE? Pagen! Dude was a huge disappointment last year.

On the outside, Reed is a FA and nothing spectacular. Mercilous continues to be a disappointment but showed a little promise. If what he showed is the best he can do is that really enough. I have little hope Simon.


On the inside, Cushing hopefully will return to his pre-injury form. That's hoping a lot. Muhamid looked ok. OK! Dent meh. Tuggle Meh.

Take Watt out of that front seven and we in trouble bigtime.

 

[steelbtexan]

This....after signing Jackson, Newton, Reed and Mallett, they might want to sign Dent and Lewis, and maybe one or two others of our FA's. If Fitz is let go, we would have Keenum or another QB to sign, if OB decides to go with three. And still have cap to go after another free agent or two. I think we need to sign a veteran OC, at least through training camp. We need another NT and we need another OLB behind Reed. If Ben Jones moves to OC then we need to add another OG. And I think we could upgrade our swing tackle behind Newton and Brown. Lots of needs to address requiring lots of dollars. The more money we have the better the talent going into training camp.

I expect Fitz/Graham to be next on the chopping block.

 

[Texan_Bill]

yeah you're just happier than **** right now aren't ya?

I know one thing, McNair and Smith's word ain't worth crap if they cut him or trade him for peanuts

While I love your sentiment, AJ moved on last season. Obviously there will be no trade. There will be no "grand" story of a player playing his entire career for one team. Only another story of stupid ownership and management.

I've got examples if you've forgotten in your old age Nolan, Earl, Hakeem.

Bob McNair lied. Rick Smith is nearly incompetent.

 

[steelbtexan]

So you haven't been a huge Texans organization apologist for everything Smithiak did for all those years? Okkkaaaay.

I'm just surprised that you're so quick to throw these guys under the bus like they're a bunch of clowns all of a sudden. These are the guys that you've defended pretty hard for a long time. I'm curious as to why?

Good question.

I get the feeling he had a thing for Kubiak and is going to rake BOB over the coals. McNair/ Smith share blame in the AJ decision. Even though I think letting AJ get what he wanted was the right thing to do for both parties at this time. Fans are having a hard time wrapping their head around AJ didn't want to play here anymore, he said so last yr. He played last yr like a guy who didn't want to be here. IMHO

 

[steelbtexan]

don't be an ass.

Vitriol?

 

[Texan_Bill]

This thread is certainly entertaining.

No sir, I find it somewhat ironic that you didn't mix in birdshyte and buoys. NOW that would've been entertaining...

 

[TEXANRED]

Vitriol?

You towards me or me towards you?

 

[Playoffs]

Chris Gordy @ChrisGordy

Andre Johnson introduced at the Rockets game. Crowd goes wild for him. #Farewell

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[RTP2110]

To me AJ never bought into what BOB was selling.

Highly likely. Maybe a hint at a reduced role came up last year as well which may have lead to AJ wondering if this was still the place for him. All of those pointless WR screens to AJ may just have been BOB's cheap way of keeping him involved.

 

[JB]

While I love your sentiment, AJ moved on last season. Obviously there will be no trade. There will be no "grand" story of a player playing his entire career for one team. Only another story of stupid ownership and management.

I've got examples if you've forgotten in your old age Nolan, Earl, Hakeem.

Bob McNair lied. Rick Smith is nearly incompetent.

yeah that was a statement I said early on with emotion. But they did handle it very poorly if AJ was upset about it enough to go public with it.

Everyone in the organization involved appear to have lied, but the team hasn't released a statement or taken any action as of yet that I know of

 

[Playoffs]

Great story by for Texans WR David Anderson on Andre after he Inneganed that Titan.

Care to explain?

Here you go: http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/03...-andre-johnsons-fight-with-cortland-finnegan/

Better from him than me.

 

[JCTexan]

Here you go: http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/03...-andre-johnsons-fight-with-cortland-finnegan/

Better from him than me.

Thanks. MSR.

 

[steelbtexan]

You towards me or me towards you?

Not towards anybody,

I was just pointing out posts against management can be considered vitriolic.

Since I've been accused of being vitriolic I am just pointing out the hypocrisy. Plus maybe I just like using the word vitriol and forms of the word.

 

[TEXANRED]

Not towards anybody,

I was just pointing out posts against management can be considered vitriolic.

Since I've been accused of being vitriolic I am just pointing out the hypocrisy. Plus maybe I just like using the word vitriol and forms of the word.

HA! Now that is funny!

 

[steelbtexan]

yeah that was a statement I said early on with emotion. But they did handle it very poorly if AJ was upset about it enough to go public with it.

Everyone in the organization involved appear to have lied, but the team hasn't released a statement or taken any action as of yet that I know of

And this surprises you how?

 

[steelbtexan]

HA! Now that is funny!

Which was my intent.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Not towards anybody,

I was just pointing out posts against management can be considered vitriolic.

Since I've been accused of being vitriolic I am just pointing out the hypocrisy. Plus maybe I just like using the word vitriol and forms of the word.

There's a huge difference in talking about the FO when it's appropriate to talk about the FO... like when they're talking about cutting one of the greatest players of all time... and talking about the FO when a thread has nothing to do with the FO... like when we're talking about someone's rehab or the weather or whatever.

Now, I didn't use the "vitriol" comment but thought that needed to be brought up because the way you've been going on since that discussion, commenting on almost anything said against the FO like it's an off-limit subject, it's not clear that you see the difference.

 

[JB]

And this surprises you how?

Never said I was surprised... but I did Expect the Texans to release a statement

 

[steelbtexan]

There's a huge difference in talking about the FO when it's appropriate to talk about the FO... like when they're talking about cutting one of the greatest players of all time... and talking about the FO when a thread has nothing to do with the FO... like when we're talking about someone's rehab or the weather or whatever.

Now, I didn't use the "vitriol" comment but thought that needed to be brought up because the way you've been going on since that discussion, commenting on almost anything said against the FO like it's an off-limit subject, it's not clear that you see the difference.

Or I could be just having fun poking the bear.

Is this the proper thread to talk about the FO?

 

[PapaL]

*If

 

[Runner]

As much as I see this as a mistake for the Texans, I think it is a good thing for Dre's career. I think he would be happy taking less money and working for a contender, especially one with an especially good quarterback. If he makes near equivalent money to his current contract I'd be very surprised, but that would be icing on the cake for him at this point. I think he's kept a lot of the money he's earned and isn't in dire straights financially.

So I can safely be counted out of those who are charged with pitying Dre. I think this will revitalize his last couple of years in the league. I'll just start looking at this situation as the positive for Johnson and leave it at that.

 

[Marshall]

And why would AJ help the Texans? It's not his job to work a trade.

If I'm his agent I'd tell the Texans to f'k off too. That's the Texans trying to shill off their job onto AJ's agent and without paying him for it.

First you ask for permission to seek a trade, then you say that's not good enough and demand that he be released.

I still think this is simply two sides staking out their opening gambits in a renegotiation.

Scenario,

Houston drafts a top three WR in the draft.

Because of this, AJ moves to the slot at a restructured rate to reflect his new job (about 40 catches). We now have three top notch receivers which stretch the field (new Guy) and can make possession catches (AJ) and compete for jump balls (Nuk).

But moving AJ to slot is not an easy sell and he and his agent have to be made aware that that is now his highest and best use on the field.

I still hold out hope that AJ returns as our slot receiver. I also think if he bought into the new role, it would extend his career.

 

[IDEXAN]

So do you want the Texans to release Andre right now so he can work out a deal with Indy ? Or do you want Billy to continue to be Mr Billy Big Balls and
tell Andre you are my property until I've exhausted every opportunity I can to work out a trade with somebody, anybody other than Indy ?
Personally I prefer Billy Big Balls.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

First you ask for permission to seek a trade, then you say that's not good enough and demand that he be released.

I still think this is simply two sides staking out their opening gambits in a renegotiation.

Scenario,

Houston drafts a top three WR in the draft.

Because of this, AJ moves to the slot at a restructured rate to reflect his new job (about 40 catches). We now have three top notch receivers which stretch the field (new Guy) and can make possession catches (AJ) and compete for jump balls (Nuk).

But moving AJ to slot is not an easy sell and he and his agent have to be made aware that that is now his highest and best use on the field.

I still hold out hope that AJ returns as our slot receiver. I also think if he bought into the new role, it would extend his career.

AJ does not have explosiveness or the ability to quickly turn on a dime needed to be an effective slot receiver anymore. He lost that with his clipped hamstring tendon.

 

[steelbtexan]

AJ does not have explosiveness or the ability to quickly turn on a dime needed to be an effective slot receiver anymore. He lost that with his clipped hamstring tendon.

True

He's a cagey veteran now.

 

[Marshall]

The Texans can cut AJ at any time before the season starts & won't take that cap hit.

The thing though is their top 51 contracts can never exceed the salary cap.

They've got $12M to play with without cutting Aj.

They've also got a lot of additional flexibility without cutting AJ.

 

[Marshall]

Actually the reality of the situation is they really only have about $7 million to play with. The Texans (like all teams) allocate approx. $5 mil of their available salary cap space to go towards IR, LTBEs, Grievances and the Practice Squad.

But the season Cap doesn't affect the 51 CAP they need to hit in FA. They can hold onto AJ through the FA period until they need 51 CAP space and they have a lot of ways to do that without cutting AJ. But that also provides an incentive for him to renegotiate just before the CAP goes from the 51 CAP to the SEASON CAP since cutting him then helps the Texans, but not him.

 

[Marshall]

The Texans have all the leverage. If Andre Johnson's agent is unable to find a trade why not just keep him? If he wants to retire he can but I doubt he'll leave all of that money he's due over the next two seasons. Releasing him seems silly to me when all of that dead money will still limit our financial flexibility during the next two off-seasons, this one included. If he's unhappy then retire otherwise I don't want the same drama as last off-season when he held out a while. He's under contract and has to honor that contract. I love Andre Johnson as much as the next guy but the Texans have a right to go on with their business as is.

*****
Excellent post.

AJs agent wants them to give up that leverage for nothing. Don't do it.

 

[Marshall]

Dude. He's either getting traded or cut.

No. That decision has not been made nor should it be made prematurely. This may be how it works out in the end. But it's not there right now. Even if a trade was found, the Texans would have to approve it. There is NO incentive for the Texans to cut him until they need Cap space AFTER using up other CAP clearing options.

 

[Marshall]

Sure stuff is illegal... that does not mean they won't do it, and from what I've heard, every team does it

It wouldn't be illegal since the Texans gave AJ permission to find a trade. Now they are balking at getting what they asked for and asking for more. It's a good strategy if it works, but probably won't if you are dealing with even a bargain basement negotiator.

 

[infantrycak]

Scenario,

Houston drafts a top three WR in the draft.

Because of this, AJ moves to the slot at a restructured rate to reflect his new job (about 40 catches). We now have three top notch receivers which stretch the field (new Guy) and can make possession catches (AJ) and compete for jump balls (Nuk).

But moving AJ to slot is not an easy sell and he and his agent have to be made aware that that is now his highest and best use on the field.

I still hold out hope that AJ returns as our slot receiver. I also think if he bought into the new role, it would extend his career.

Where in this "scenario" do we get a new HC?

Nothing in Belichick or OB's actions says slot for AJ. Nor does it say slot is 40 receptions.

Which one is out of place?

AJ 6'3" 220 lbs
Welker 5'9" 185 lbs - avg. 110 rec.
Edelman 6' 198 lbs - avg. 95 rec.
Demaryius Johnson - 5'8" 175 lbs
The small burners OB interviewed at the combine

We're back to the worst sales job ever if 40 rec. and slot were even mentioned. Would have been real easy to say "we'd like to draft a WR to learn from you and we're going to move to mostly 3 WR sets. We'll try it out in training camp to see who fits where best but right now we think we'll primarily keep the rookie stretching the outside and have your route running and feel for the zones eating up the interior like Welker did when he was averaging 110 rec. 1300 yds like he did for the other Bill."

It's still a horseshit scenario, but at least it would have been a decent sales job.

 

[michaelm]

First you ask for permission to seek a trade, then you say that's not good enough and demand that he be released.

I still think this is simply two sides staking out their opening gambits in a renegotiation.

Scenario,

Houston drafts a top three WR in the draft.

Because of this, AJ moves to the slot at a restructured rate to reflect his new job (about 40 catches). We now have three top notch receivers which stretch the field (new Guy) and can make possession catches (AJ) and compete for jump balls (Nuk).

But moving AJ to slot is not an easy sell and he and his agent have to be made aware that that is now his highest and best use on the field.

I still hold out hope that AJ returns as our slot receiver. I also think if he bought into the new role, it would extend his career.

I don't think you have an accurate picture of what a slot reciever should look like in this offense. It's not AJ.

 

[Runner]

So do you want the Texans to release Andre right now so he can work out a deal with Indy ? Or do you want Billy to continue to be Mr Billy Big Balls and
tell Andre you are my property until I've exhausted every opportunity I can to work out a trade with somebody, anybody other than Indy ?
Personally I prefer Billy Big Balls.

The Texans should love having a 40 catch, washed up, prima donna receiver like Andre at Indy. Talk about sending a poison pill.

If it is all about being tough and Andre wants out so bad, the Texans should do just like last year. Don't trade him, don't cut him. Honor his contract and pay him millions for part time work. That's tough! That'll show him!

 

[steelbtexan]

Where in this "scenario" do we get a new HC?

Nothing in Belichick or OB's actions says slot for AJ. Nor does it say slot is 40 receptions.

Which one is out of place?

AJ 6'3" 220 lbs
Welker 5'9" 185 lbs - avg. 110 rec.
Edelman 6' 198 lbs - avg. 95 rec.
Demaryius Johnson - 5'8" 175 lbs
The small burners OB interviewed at the combine

We're back to the worst sales job ever if 40 rec. and slot were even mentioned. Would have been real easy to say "we'd like to draft a WR to learn from you and we're going to move to mostly 3 WR sets. We'll try it out in training camp to see who fits where best but right now we think we'll primarily keep the rookie stretching the outside and have your route running and feel for the zones eating up the interior like Welker did when he was averaging 110 rec. 1300 yds like he did for the other Bill."

It's still a horseshit scenario, but at least it would have been a decent sales job.

I'm sold (Sarcasm////)

 

[Double Barrel]

Not me. Dale and I were in the big AJ thread stating this would likely happen last season when everyone was in rage about the idea that AJ wasn't the same elite receiver he had been for his entire career.

I'm not knee jerking here like everyone else and taking AJ's word as oak. I'm sure the conversation didn't go exactly how people are trying to make the masses believe. We weren't there to hear the conversation. I'm sure it wasn't as simple as them declaring a number and saying he couldn't even think of surpassing that.

This is the NFL. The Texans have been an organization that has had a reputation for lacking a backbone for a while now. OB comes from NE, where they will cut your ass in a second. Make no mistake about the fact that NE will cut Brady's ass the minute they feel he is no longer Brady. I'm not saying that is the best way about doing business, because it has not always worked for the Pats the way that people like to believe. I've discussed that with you a few times if you remember. That whole NE way isn't always picnics and rainbows like people like to think. I expected this little sit down to take place though. It sucks that it happened the way it did from AJ's perspective at least. I didn't expect to see AJ as a Texan this year though. I just want this organization to focus 100% on finding a franchise QB though. I don't see us being able to ever doing anything until we find that guy. Until then, we're just another team. WR shouldn't be a huge need to me until we address the QB situation. I'm fine stacking the Oline, Dline, and the defense until we can find a franchise QB. Getting a replacement for Foster is a big plan that needs to become important as well.

I know it's the "Partiots way". It was the Bill Parcells way before that, the Bill Walsh way before that, the Tom Landry way before that, the Vince Lombardi way before that, etc.

These winning coaches only want the best years of a player.

And that is understandable, because they are winners.

The difference here with the Texans is that not everyone is subject to such intense scrutiny

Otherwise, Rick Smith would be gone.

And until this owner has the balls to truly find the best person for every position in his organization - and that would mean EVERYONE below him - then they can only be posers for trying to act like the above winning ways of other championship pedigree organizations.

Maybe O'Brien is here to change all that. I'm making no hard opinions on it until we can analyze it as history. Until then, bring the popcorn. This is life in the NFL.

 

[Runner]

The difference here with the Texans is that not everyone is subject to such intense scrutiny

Otherwise, Rick Smith would be gone.

And until this owner has the balls to truly find the best person for every position in his organization - and that would mean EVERYONE below him - then they can only be posers for trying to act like the above winning ways of other championship pedigree organizations.

Ouch. The truth hurts.

 

[steelbtexan]

I know it's the "Partiots way". It was the Bill Parcells way before that, the Bill Walsh way before that, the Tom Landry way before that, the Vince Lombardi way before that, etc.

These winning coaches only want the best years of a player.

And that is understandable, because they are winners.

The difference here with the Texans is that not everyone is subject to such intense scrutiny

Otherwise, Rick Smith would be gone.

And until this owner has the balls to truly find the best person for every position in his organization - and that would mean EVERYONE below him - then they can only be posers for trying to act like the above winning ways of other championship pedigree organizations.

Maybe O'Brien is here to change all that. I'm making no hard opinions on it until we can analyze it as history. Until then, bring the popcorn. This is life in the NFL.

Check out the pick of Cal's drinking buddy in the Rick Smith thread. That aint gonna happen, best the fans can hope for is 1. BOB/Gaine are able to overcome the ineptness that is Cal McNair/Smith. I wonder if Kubiak would've recommended hiring Smith if he knew that Smith was going to kiss up to Cal and not work to find the talent that Kubiak needed to succeed?

BTW, I wonder who the good looking woman is in that pic?

 

[steelbtexan]

Ouch. The truth hurts.

That is what I've been saying for yrs and have been named a vitriolic hater and been question by DB himself as to why I remained a Texans fan.

 

[HTown2ATX]

I know it's the "Partiots way". It was the Bill Parcells way before that, the Bill Walsh way before that, the Tom Landry way before that, the Vince Lombardi way before that, etc.

These winning coaches only want the best years of a player.

And that is understandable, because they are winners.

The difference here with the Texans is that not everyone is subject to such intense scrutiny

Otherwise, Rick Smith would be gone.

And until this owner has the balls to truly find the best person for every position in his organization - and that would mean EVERYONE below him - then they can only be posers for trying to act like the above winning ways of other championship pedigree organizations.

Maybe O'Brien is here to change all that. I'm making no hard opinions on it until we can analyze it as history. Until then, bring the popcorn. This is life in the NFL.

MSR

 

[michaelm]

A couple of quick thoughts.

1) I don't entirely believe the scenario went down exactly as AJ's camp describes regarding the 40 catches and not starting. I am convinced there is more to the story than that. No proof, obviously, just my opinion.

2) For those of you who do believe it's true (I'm not saying I blame you or you're wrong to think that), then how do you justify AJ's actions? He's under contract to make around $10mil, and when his coach explains his view of AJ's role on the team, AJ demands to be traded or cut?
After all, if we are to believe AJ, this was never about a pay cut. So, in my view, AJ basically is refusing to do the job he is paid to do. There is no guarantee in his contract of minimum catches, or what role he will play.
He is paid good money to be a wide receiver for the Houston Texans, and he is refusing to do it?

3) Any of you who maintain that McNair is all about the marketing and maximizing profit should re-evaluate that opinion. How can you ever justify that claim now, after he signed off on letting AJ walk away from the team?