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Andre Johnson released - cut by Colts - signs with Titans
- Thread starter TheMatrix31
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Your memory is correct.
He was second once Ike agreed to terms with the Steelers.
Jjo was still relatively unproven playing 2nd fiddle in Cincinnati. His first year here was a breakout season for him & he's yet to match that season.
yeah I was responding to TK's assertion that JJo was the 3rd best corner that year
No doubt, different people would have ranked them differently. Some people probably had Jjo 2nd from the get go, I remember Cincy fans saying that Jjo was their better corner.
But Leon Hall was their #1 corner & Jjo had yet to prove himself as a #1 corner. He did that here. Ike & Nmandi were already established as #1 CBs.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
After all the carping you have done about bringing in Ahman Green and Reed how in the world can you want Welker? Peyton Manning couldn't get him the ball last year.
What, you got to see their price tags in their underwear? Just don't get where you can say they were over paid.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
JJo #3 overall FA 2011 (#2 re-signed, Ike #11) - Link
The knock on JJo was injury/high ankle sprains, not that he was unproven.
Ike Taylor was too proven as in 30 years old and never a pro bowl.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
The Texans have all the leverage. If Andre Johnson's agent is unable to find a trade why not just keep him? If he wants to retire he can but I doubt he'll leave all of that money he's due over the next two seasons. Releasing him seems silly to me when all of that dead money will still limit our financial flexibility during the next two off-seasons, this one included. If he's unhappy then retire otherwise I don't want the same drama as last off-season when he held out a while. He's under contract and has to honor that contract. I love Andre Johnson as much as the next guy but the Texans have a right to go on with their business as is.
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
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Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I'm tired of hearing about Andre Johnson wanting out and already saying his goodbyes to Houston fans. Is he retiring? Has his agent found a trade yet? If not I expect him to be ready to play Week 1 in a Texans uniform.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Dude. He's either getting traded or cut.
silvrhand
All Pro
Have to agree it's time for him to move on at this point, he's burning up the good will to some extent.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Why is he going to be released? He's productive enough to keep around. If he's unwilling to take a reduced role for the betterment of the team then he can retire if he's unhappy.He's already being paid handsomely and more than he's worth right now.
I don't want to hear this talk about him deserving to win a Super Bowl on a contender like the Patriots. He can win here in Houston. We're coming off a 9-7 season and should be a playoff team this upcoming season. His agent has been singing the same tune for the past few years. There was even grumblings way back in 2008 and 2009 about his unhappiness with the organization's lack of winning.
His agent can request all he wants. The Texans have all the power. Knowing the classy man Bob McNair is, I'm sure he has already told Andre Johnson and his agent, through Rick Smith, that he'll grant his wish for release if a trade is not met. It probably will happen but I'm not a fan of it.
I don't want to hear this talk about him deserving to win a Super Bowl on a contender like the Patriots. He can win here in Houston. We're coming off a 9-7 season and should be a playoff team this upcoming season. His agent has been singing the same tune for the past few years. There was even grumblings way back in 2008 and 2009 about his unhappiness with the organization's lack of winning.
His agent can request all he wants. The Texans have all the power. Knowing the classy man Bob McNair is, I'm sure he has already told Andre Johnson and his agent, through Rick Smith, that he'll grant his wish for release if a trade is not met. It probably will happen but I'm not a fan of it.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Because the Texans need the salary cap space to re-sign Mallett and/or Newton and/or Kareem and/or Reed.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Texans aren't going to pay a 40 catch guy (their decision) $11.5 mil.
They can re-sign all those players without any changes to AJ's contract or his release. This move better be justified by signing someone new, plus a replacement.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
A trade is not happening. There is nobody offering anything worthwhile. We would look like fools trading away the best player in franchise history for a mere fifth or fourth-round pick. We're not even going to be offered a second-round pick which is what I was dreaming for. He's still been highly productive over the past three seasons with inconsistent play at the quarterback position. His age aside I just feel he's worth more to the team playing out his contract even if he's unhappy. So if he's released the Texans are basically the only one losing in this situation.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
And suffer the dead money for a player no longer on the team? No thanks.
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
we get cap relief by getting rid of him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You really need through the beginning of this thread. The Texans went to him and said his role was going to be non-starter with 40ish catches. This was clearly a prelude to a pay cut or an attempt to force AJ out.
Not saying it's a smart move by the Texans but it's on them, not AJ. At least according to the info currently available.
Depends on how you replace him.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
The salary cap space is going to be very minimal when you take into consideration the dead money. It's not like his release is going to allow us to sign a notable free agent. We can re-sign some of those guys with Andre Johnson's contract as is. I don't want Kareem Jackson back anyways. I'm okay losing both of our starting cornerbacks for that matter. Both of them were missing games last season and getting burned quite a bit even when they were on the field. We should be thinking about drafting a cornerback in the first round, pick #16. But now we have to think about drafting a wide receiver in the first round if Andre Johnson is released.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Right now I like what we have on the front seven on defense if a few guys can stay healthy in 2015. Mainly Cushing and Clowney. But we can get by with some young and athletic cornerbacks if our pass rush is dominant. But now you guys are okay with having yet another hole on offense. I'll believe Andre Johnson is gone when it finally happens. His agent is nowhere near finding a trade from what I hear. So talk to me when he's released.
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
$8.8Million is not exactly minimal
If you get rid of 2 of 3 (including nickel) corners, who you gonna have play? Remember 2010 at all? I for one don't want to see that again
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I understand all of that but what I'm saying is the Texans are a pretty damn good football team right now, as is. We should be focusing on finding our quarterback in free agency, whether it's re-signing Ryan Mallett or signing Brian Hoyer (Fitzpatrick, Savage and Keenum will compete too), along with focusing on secondary help early in the draft. I'm okay letting go of Kareem Jackson and one of my favorites, Johnathan Joseph. They both get burned by speedy wideouts a high percentage of the time. We need a young cornerback who can cover T.Y. Hilton one on one. Maybe even a free safety who's a ballhawk. Releasing Andre Johnson just means we take a big step backwards and now have to ignore our secondary issues and focus on drafting a wide receiver with the #16 overall pick. We're a 9-7 team that is a good quarterback away from being a potential Super Bowl contender. Now with holes at the wide receiver position we're probably still going to be a 9-7 team even if we get improved quarterback play.
There are many fans that are not "okay" with it and find the way the Texans are handling this situation to be bush league. All you have to do is read this thread for many perspectives on it.
However, most of us are accepting it in spite of liking or not liking it.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I remember 2010 and it led to us drafting J.J. Watt. The best thing that ever happened to this franchise since drafting Andre Johnson in 2003. I doubt we'll have that type of historically awful secondary play again. If our front seven is healthy and playing at the type of level we expect to see... We could start a rookie at both starting cornerback poitions and free safety (three rookies total in the secondary), and still be a good defensive unit in 2015. Our team pass rush has potential to be among the best in the entire league. J.J. Watt is already aiming for a record third 20-plus sack season. Breaking his own current record of two seasons. We need Jadeveon Clowney to stay healthy and live up to his #1 overall pick status. Clowney and Cushing are both coming off serious surgeries but both are on pace to be ready for the 2015 season. How much they participate in off-season programs are yet to be seen.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Sure stuff is illegal... that does not mean they won't do it, and from what I've heard, every team does it
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
don't count on Clowney for this coming season...and i hope our FO are approaching FA/Draft that way.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Why not have some hope though? Until he's actually traded or released. A lot of crazy things can happen. I'm sure some people thought he was as good as gone last off-season and he was unhappy, held out for a long time, but when Week 1 rolled around he was in uniform and ready to play.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Peyton is agreeing to a $4 mil pay cut.
Wonder if they started that effort off with "we see your role this year as about 3000 yds of passing?"
He reported for training camp. The only thing he missed which wasn't voluntary was one minicamp.
Corner is one of the hardest positions for a rookie to adjust to the NFL at, yet you propose to start 2 with another as their deep help? Even if they got the top two corners in the draft that is asking an awful lot. You can't count on Clowney at all, Cushing is a big ? at this point, we only have 1 unproven NT, and best hope to hell Watt stays healthy because no one else currently on the roster provides much hope for a pass rush.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
But you guys agree a dominating front seven pass rush can mask any problems you may have in the secondary? I remember the 1997 Dallas Cowboys had arguably one of the best secondaries in NFL history. Deion Sanders, Kevin Smith, Brock Marion and Darren Woodson. They finished that season 6-10 and struggled defensively because they had a weak pass rush. It's better to have a strong pass rush and front seven with average players in the secondary than the other way around. Right now, we have some amazing pieces in the front seven even if two of them are injury prone.
Our NT situation is not a big issue to me. Louis Nix III is ready to evolve as a force.
Our NT situation is not a big issue to me. Louis Nix III is ready to evolve as a force.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I'm going to hate seeing AJ in another uniform. I wish he could have retired a Texan. But we're jumping off to a whole lot of premature conclusions in this thread.
Hasn't all the information that's available out there about this situation come from Andre himself or his people? Whatever reports were written about it quoted AJ and his agent. And even between the two of them there is some disagreement on whether they're asking for a trade or not. Sounds like maybe someone can't get their story straight or doesn't really know what he wants. Not that I think he's lying, but it's only one side of the story.
We're also missing the entire larger context. What were the conversations last year that made him come back? Why didn't the Texans trade or release him then? Were things promised to him or to the Texans regarding this year? What does AJ think of OB's offense? Was there friction during the season between AJ and the coaching staff? If so, for what reason?
Just a few thoughts...
Hasn't all the information that's available out there about this situation come from Andre himself or his people? Whatever reports were written about it quoted AJ and his agent. And even between the two of them there is some disagreement on whether they're asking for a trade or not. Sounds like maybe someone can't get their story straight or doesn't really know what he wants. Not that I think he's lying, but it's only one side of the story.
We're also missing the entire larger context. What were the conversations last year that made him come back? Why didn't the Texans trade or release him then? Were things promised to him or to the Texans regarding this year? What does AJ think of OB's offense? Was there friction during the season between AJ and the coaching staff? If so, for what reason?
Just a few thoughts...
I have hope, but that's just an overall feeling for the team going into the 2015 season. I'll hope until proven otherwise.
Hope for A.J. remaining a Texan, though, is delusional, IMO. The writing is clearly on the wall. You just have to read it.
lol!
That scenario conversation sounds even more absurd when you expand it out to other teams and players.
any problems? I don't think so. Also we do not have a dominant front 7 at this point. We have a dominant front 1 that doesn't get much help. The other 6 are question marks.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
This much I agree with.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Great story by for Texans WR David Anderson on Andre after he Inneganed that Titan.
Care to explain?
Number19
Hall of Fame
There's been too many posts for me to keep up with, so I don't know how much this has been discussed. But I'd really like to see a trade with one of the teams ahead of us in the draft order. And I wouldn't ask much. What I'd like to see is Andre + our 4th round pick in exchange for someone's 2nd round selection. And I'd be willing to bump our 4th to our 3rd, to make the deal. I really want Philip Dorsett and I'm afraid he'll be gone before our #51 pick. And we would still have 51 for the other player I like at that spot, Preston Smith.
Our moves with Dre and Meyers frees up the cap room to sign Jackson and Newton. If we resign Newton then I don't feel the need to draft OT at 16 and would likely go with WR.
Our moves with Dre and Meyers frees up the cap room to sign Jackson and Newton. If we resign Newton then I don't feel the need to draft OT at 16 and would likely go with WR.
I would hope they would net more than Jackson and Newton. There has to be bigger fish on the line after these moves.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
It's amazing how you completely speculate how a situation went down based on one guy's word all of a sudden when you defended just about every decision the Texans brass has done under Smithiak. You have been an armed guard of that administration's moves and for their philosophy forever. All of a sudden now you are questioning it without even knowing what their side is? That's interesting. A few of us told you this meeting was going to take place last season.
I think so too. Maybe he has his eye on a WR or two, someone for the OL (Iupati) maybe even a rb
I'm hoping for McCourty and keeping KJ myself, maybe adding some like Wiesnewski (sp?) from Oakland
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Can you shorten your trolling to something like "you suck" so I don't have to wade through your drivel?
Thx
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Not me. Dale and I were in the big AJ thread stating this would likely happen last season when everyone was in rage about the idea that AJ wasn't the same elite receiver he had been for his entire career.
I'm not knee jerking here like everyone else and taking AJ's word as oak. I'm sure the conversation didn't go exactly how people are trying to make the masses believe. We weren't there to hear the conversation. I'm sure it wasn't as simple as them declaring a number and saying he couldn't even think of surpassing that.
This is the NFL. The Texans have been an organization that has had a reputation for lacking a backbone for a while now. OB comes from NE, where they will cut your ass in a second. Make no mistake about the fact that NE will cut Brady's ass the minute they feel he is no longer Brady. I'm not saying that is the best way about doing business, because it has not always worked for the Pats the way that people like to believe. I've discussed that with you a few times if you remember. That whole NE way isn't always picnics and rainbows like people like to think. I expected this little sit down to take place though. It sucks that it happened the way it did from AJ's perspective at least. I didn't expect to see AJ as a Texan this year though. I just want this organization to focus 100% on finding a franchise QB though. I don't see us being able to ever doing anything until we find that guy. Until then, we're just another team. WR shouldn't be a huge need to me until we address the QB situation. I'm fine stacking the Oline, Dline, and the defense until we can find a franchise QB. Getting a replacement for Foster is a big plan that needs to become important as well.
Number19
Hall of Fame
This....after signing Jackson, Newton, Reed and Mallett, they might want to sign Dent and Lewis, and maybe one or two others of our FA's. If Fitz is let go, we would have Keenum or another QB to sign, if OB decides to go with three. And still have cap to go after another free agent or two. I think we need to sign a veteran OC, at least through training camp. We need another NT and we need another OLB behind Reed. If Ben Jones moves to OC then we need to add another OG. And I think we could upgrade our swing tackle behind Newton and Brown. Lots of needs to address requiring lots of dollars. The more money we have the better the talent going into training camp.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I'll do it for him.
You suck.
Glad to help. You don't need to thank me.
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