All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[Corrosion]

Can I ask, does Doc CND work for the Texans, or a professional football team in a medical capacity? What does Doc CND have to lose if his opinion is wrong? What would a medical staff member have to lose that actually works for the Texans have to lose if his opinion was wrong, and what would be his motivation to lie about Schaub's injury? Is he, or they also part of the conspiracy to keep Schaub the QB?

CND has nothing to lose .... but that doesn't change the fact that he's been right more times than I can count - and I don't just know him as a member of this board either , we're friends away from here as well

In regards to the Hawks turning up the D. I challenge you to watch the game again. They did not change their plan, which was to pressure Schaub, what happened was the Texans offensive line basically stopped blocking. Perhaps they all have degenerative foot injuries also, I don't know. But my perception was it had less to do with the Hawks turning things up, and more to do with the Texans falling apart offensively and defensively in the 4th quarter.

In the first half the vast majority of the time they only rushed their front four .... On the pick six , they blitzed a DB ....


Here -Brian Billick breaks the play down for you here

That is a change from what they had been doing

If a D attempts to turn up the pressure on a QB it is not the QB's sole responsibility to combat that. There are a number of guys you pay to step up and help offset that D turning it up

Cant dispute that .... Newton whiffed on the play & the blitzer wasn't accounted for. But damn , you cant throw that ball , you just take the sack and live to fight another play.

 

[powda]

There are a number of guys you pay to step up and help offset that D turning it up

Like a right tackle named Newton. No one's upset if I call him average. When I call average matt (captain F^ckin pick 6) average, people get upset? Why are we only ok with addressing part of the problem?

 

[2012Champs]

Like a right tackle named Newton. No one's upset if I call him average. When I call average matt (captain F^ckin pick 6) average, people get upset? Why are we only ok with addressing part of the problem?

Are people calling for newton's head? Are they making some crazy suggestion that we should pick someone up off the street to replace newton? Pointing out a player making mistake ala Schaub's passing attempt is legit. Losing your damn mind and calling for a 3rd stringer to replace him is crazy

 

[Nitrofish]

Are people calling for newton's head? Are they making some crazy suggestion that we should pick someone up off the street to replace newton? Pointing out a player making mistake ala Schaub's passing attempt is legit. Losing your damn mind and calling for a 3rd stringer to replace him is crazy

Exactly! The point is, it is guys like Newton that are making Schaub look bad by opening the flood gates, which was the same problem the Texans were having last season. Even Peyton Manning can't complete a pass with 3 defenders in his face every play. Watch the pocket his O Line creates for him, and Tom Brady. Give Schaub that kind of protection and he will carve up any team in the league.

But no... Let's just keep laying it all at the feet of Schaub. Makes perfect sense.

 

[ObsiWan]

Speak for yourself. I think it's hilarious and well deserved. Schaub deserves every bit of hate for his performances.

"HATE"...?

Seriously???
Critique? Naturally.
Criticism? Of course.
Benching...? Perhaps.

...but Hate??
Really?

 

[powda]

Are people calling for newton's head? Are they making some crazy suggestion that we should pick someone up off the street to replace newton? Pointing out a player making mistake ala Schaub's passing attempt is legit. Losing your damn mind and calling for a 3rd stringer to replace him is crazy

Im calling for Newton's head yes.

I'm not calling for a 3rd stringer to replace Schaub. That's the part that pisses me off most. Schaub is still the best QB option on this team. In the last offseason (and even the previous one) people here clammored for another young talented quarterback option in the draft...we didnt get it. Now we're out of options.

 

[thunderkyss]

great post.

Its so frustrating to see our offense littered with pro bowlers and a young exciting rookie get wasted with dink and dunk passes. You see other teams or should i say "elite/superbowl" teams and they go for the jugular.

I don't know what to think of you. Hard to take serious when you talk about wasting time with dink & dunk passes. That may be an issue this year, but certainly has not been a problem since Schaub has been here.

& going for the jugular... We ripped the Super Bowl Champs jugular clean out last year.

 

[thunderkyss]

So finally the truth comes out. This is really all about "I saw it first" "I saw it years ago" and not really about 1 play right? in 2012 when the Texans started fast, all of the Schaub haters had to bite their tongues.

Where you been? Schaub was booed before the end of the 1st qtr week 1..... at Reliant. Schaub haters weren't biting their tongue last year. The Kubiak haters were having to sit on it for a little while, but not the Schaub haters.

He's never done anything to shut anyone up for any length of time.

 

[Corrosion]

Exactly! The point is, it is guys like Newton that are making Schaub look bad by opening the flood gates, which was the same problem the Texans were having last season. Even Peyton Manning can't complete a pass with 3 defenders in his face every play. Watch the pocket his O Line creates for him, and Tom Brady. Give Schaub that kind of protection and he will carve up any team in the league.

But no... Let's just keep laying it all at the feet of Schaub. Makes perfect sense.

You don't see Schaub calling out blitz pick ups & other intricacies either .... Manning see's something in the coverage that needs to be dealt with or exploited , he makes sure the person dealing with it knows it ..... Schaub just hopes like hell that player knows it.

 

[Come On Breh]

I don't know what to think of you. Hard to take serious when you talk about wasting time with dink & dunk passes. That may be an issue this year, but certainly has not been a problem since Schaub has been here.

& going for the jugular... We ripped the Super Bowl Champs jugular clean out last year.

so doing it once at home vs a raven team dismisses the conservative criticism?

this is what i hate about kubiak and schaub apologist. you guys use one or two games, one or two stats and say hey did this a couple of times that criticism is no longer valid.

I mean are you serious with the "they only do dink and dunk passes this year" comment?

Schaub and kubiak dont go for the jugular ENOUGH. They dont go for killshots down the field ENOUGH. They would rather hang on to the ball, work the field methodically then get stuck in the redzone and kick a field goal.

EVerybody knows this.

I maybe new to texan talk, but ive seen every single houston texan game.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Lest anyone has already forgotten, from the very beginnings as a Texan, Schaub was always specifically highly touted for his excellent foot work and mechanics.........especially under pressure............now all of a sudden since the end of last season, out the clear blue.........he's a CLUTZ?

Some seem to be focused only on the apparent final position of his feet, when there are many more aspects to having a residual Lisfranc problem.

When you are familiar with the anatomy and the mechanics of the foot, you can understand what can easily be concealed from common observation within a shoe. To begin with, the concept of the HEEL being mainly responsible for ABSORBTION OF IMPACT and the BALL OF THE FOOT being the main force for PROPULSION and CONTROL.

When a QB pushes off the BACK FOOT, the ball of the foot controls the propulsion (strength of push off) AND the control (the direction of the propulsion). This action places maximal forces/stress on the Lisfranc joint.
The FRONT FOOT then gives BALANCE and facilitates ACCURACY.

Now let's go back to my statement that things can be concealed from common observation with a shoe on. Simply place a tiny pebble under the ball of your foot before tying up your shoe laces. You will notice that you will universally try to avoid the discomfort by slightly shifting your weight, maybe a little to one side, or maybe to another side, in addition to always shifting some of that weight off of the ball onto the heel........though not grossly evident in the display of a repositioning of your foot. In doing so as a QB you are definitely going to be disrupting every aspect of your mechanics. For a while, he can try to compensate and perform adequately through short periods of time, but it will eventually lead to repeated progressive disruption. You may certainly still be able to swivel hips, but this can be performed with subtle shifting weight to the heel, which alleviates stress on the Lisfranc joint. The ability to quickly change direction and move backward, forward, to either side, or even stop abruptly is all effected with subtle shifting of weight to the heel.

What most don't realize is that every time your foot lifts off the ground, you use around 60 bones and 50 muscle groups just to keep you balanced and upright. And that is why some of the slightest foot problems can single-handedly destroy the consistency of all of a QB's mechanics. Schaub hasn't just inexplicably become old, stupid, blind and a "clutz".........with or without pressure. He needs two good feet to successfully consistently complete all of those things he could routinely complete in the past. But his foot does not listen so well anymore to what his brain is trying to tell it to do.

If I were retired and had the time, I could probably write a book on this subject here and in all probability still not satisfy many as to the mechanical implications of such an injury. But I am not retired and don't have the time, and so I'll leave those that may still wish to believe their lying eyes to continue to live in hope.

 

[Nitrofish]

Where you been? Schaub was booed before the end of the 1st qtr week 1..... at Reliant. Schaub haters weren't biting their tongue last year. The Kubiak haters were having to sit on it for a little while, but not the Schaub haters.

He's never done anything to shut anyone up for any length of time.

So then when the Texans opened 5-0 including a win against the highly praised Broncos, dropped a game to the Pack, then rattled off another 6 in a row it did not shut Schaub haters up? Sure it did.

You don't see Schaub calling out blitz pick ups & other intricacies either .... Manning see's something in the coverage that needs to be dealt with or exploited , he makes sure the person dealing with it knows it ..... Schaub just hopes like hell that player knows it.

So then you are impressed by someone shouting at the line pointing out who the Mike linebacker is? Is that all it will take for you to be entertained and think your QB knows what he is doing?

You completely ignored what I said. Manning can shout out the Mike linebacker all he wants, but if when the ball is snapped he instantly has 3 defenders in his face like what was happening to Schaub most of the 2nd half of the Hawks game, Manning will get sacked, throw incompletions, and yes, even interceptions. But you do not see that often because that line pass blocks really well. The same can't be said for the Texans OL.

 

[Come On Breh]

So then when the Texans opened 5-0 including a win against the highly praised Broncos, dropped a game to the Pack, then rattled off another 6 in a row it did not shut Schaub haters up? Sure it did.

so what?

what exactly did you accomplish and prove by going 5-0 and almost letting a still recovering Peyton come back and win?

 

[thunderkyss]

so doing it once at home vs a raven team dismisses the conservative criticism?

this is what i hate about kubiak and schaub apologist. you guys use one or two games, one or two stats and say hey did this a couple of times that criticism is no longer valid.

I mean are you serious with the "they only do dink and dunk passes this year" comment?

Schaub and kubiak dont go for the jugular ENOUGH. They dont go for killshots down the field ENOUGH. They would rather hang on to the ball, work the field methodically then get stuck in the redzone and kick a field goal.

EVerybody knows this.

I maybe new to texan talk, but ive seen every single houston texan game.

We've blown several teams out. So I don't know what ENOUGH is. Matt's thrown plenty of deep balls in his career, we've discussed it here, it doesn't seem like it, but he's thrown deep as often as Brady, Rodgers, & Brees, so again..... don't know how much would be ENOUGH for some people.

& I'm pretty sure they'd rather score in the red zone than stall in the red zone, but if you've got a link or something where they say they'd prefer to get stuck.... let's see it.

In other words, stop making sht up.

 

[Come On Breh]

We've blown several teams out. So I don't know what ENOUGH is. Matt's thrown plenty of deep balls in his career, we've discussed it here, it doesn't seem like it, but he's thrown deep as often as Brady, Rodgers, & Brees, so again..... don't know how much would be ENOUGH for some people.

& I'm pretty sure they'd rather score in the red zone than stall in the red zone, but if you've got a link or something where they say they'd prefer to get stuck.... let's see it.

In other words, stop making sht up.

no he doesnt. not only does he not throw as much deep balls as those guys he doesnt complete them either.

 

[Nitrofish]

so what?

what exactly did you accomplish and prove by going 5-0 and almost letting a still recovering Peyton come back and win?

So you are full of excuses and almost's for Peyton Manning, but when it comes to the Texans almost winning a game they were supposed to lose, and lose badly, it's different? Give me a break.

What it proves is that Schaub could win, and the Schaub haters. (like yourself) had no ammunition to work with because he shut them up with his play. Especially that Broncos game. You sound like a Broncos fan with all of that "still gelling with his team", "still recovering" nonsense.

 

[2012Champs]

no he doesnt. not only does he not throw as much deep balls as those guys he doesnt complete them either.

matt was 15th in 20+ plays and 14th in 40+ last year so Im not sure what you are putting him up against

 

[thunderkyss]

So then when the Texans opened 5-0 including a win against the highly praised Broncos, dropped a game to the Pack, then rattled off another 6 in a row it did not shut Schaub haters up? Sure it did.

Where you here? It most definitely did not stop the Schaub haters. The Broncos game is the only one he got credit for, but it was marginalized after the Green bay game. Even today, talk about beating th Broncos in week 5 of last year & it's only because they weren't the team they were in week 14 or later.

Go back & look, it's all still there. May not have been as bad as it is now, but Yates & Keenum's preseason was much anticipated for a reason.

 

[Nitrofish]

Where you here? It most definitely did not stop the Schaub haters. The Broncos game is the only one he got credit for, but it was marginalized after the Green bay game. Even today, talk about beating th Broncos in week 5 of last year & it's only because they weren't the team they were in week 14 or later.

Go back & look, it's all still there. May not have been as bad as it is now, but Yates & Keenum's preseason was much anticipated for a reason.

It's always been there, and always will be, but it was certainly muted compared to other seasons, especially this one, and yes I was here.

Keenum's preseason was much anticipated because of the rampant UofH homerism on this board. After Yates performance in Baltimore, where coach had to let him off the leash should have told everyone everything they needed to know about him.

 

[Porky]

And you don't think throwing the ball in that situation was going for the jugular ?! It surely wasn't a conservative call .... the conservative thing to do in that situation is call a run play and if you fail to convert let your punter do his job and give your defense a long field to defend.


As for a more attacking offense .... Schaub cant seem to execute this simple offense and doesn't have the arm to make the type of downfield throws ... but hey , lets open it up like Aaron Rodgers us in a Texans uniform ..... Come On Breh .....

Context, context, context. Time and place. Situational football. I think you understand the difference but you are just being obtuse.

I personally would have run or taken a kill shot but preferred to run. Last choice was the crap that they ran. And that's not hindsight. In fact, I shouted it out before the play took place. I simply don't trust Schaub not to screw the pooch so if he was going to throw a pick or toss it incomplete, I much preferred they toss it up to Hopkins deep, or some type of deeper pass. In that case, in the event of a pick, it's more like a punt. This was such a by the book move for Kubes.

Run the ball there serves multiple purposes. It's much safer, with much less chance of a disaster. It's very rare for a RB to fumble in a pile like that and a guy picks it up and runs it back to the house. So, it's very likely that a worst case scenario involves a change of possession. And it's less likely a fumble occurs than a pick of any kind. Statistical fact.

Moreover, a run keeps the clock moving. You either make them take the TO or burn time. Both are good. Also, our running game was looking pretty good. There was a decent chance for him to make a 1st down there. But if not, we have the best punter in the NFL who is likely to pin them back inside the 10 or so.

 

[dream_team]

Schaub and kubiak dont go for the jugular ENOUGH. They dont go for killshots down the field ENOUGH. They would rather hang on to the ball, work the field methodically then get stuck in the redzone and kick a field goal.

First of all, you need to understand our offensive philosophy. We're not the type of offense that's going to take a 7-step drop and wait for receivers to get open downfield. If that's the type of offense you want, then yes, you want a new coach. Texans prefer to stretch the field horizontally, rather than vertically... then hit receivers quickly with 3 & 5 step drops.

We're actually pretty good once we get in the red zone. Last year, our TD percentage in the red zone was 54.69%. That's ranked 14th, higher than the 49ers, Seahawks, Cowboys, and Colts. This year, we're ranked 5th at 66.67%. So we "settle" for field goals alot less than you think.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

So you don't think he's close to that? His mistakes are demoralizing. I hear the standard lip service, but you have to wonder if the team has any faith in Schaub. I can see where Kubiak and the front office feel trapped. They've re-signed Schaub to a big contract with no obvious heir apparent. But the guys behind him are professional QBs. They have more mobility and stronger arms. They could provide the team with a spark.

If his poor play continues into the season, Schaub becomes a lame duck QB. He won't be brought back for a $10 million salary. If you know that, why wait until he's injured to find out what you have behind him?

Schaub is playing in the worse way possible in terms of giving me hope. He shows just enough okay maybe he not finished where the people(McSmithiak) who want to say "he just needs to correct this decision or move just a hair better and everything will be fine," have evidence. I believe that there is zero chance of him getting benched until injury(not wishing for that) or a couple of 10/26 for 118 with no TDs 3 Int games(that either, texans probably lose). I mean that type of awful.

My other problem is that I think that Yates and/or keenum have 90% chance to be only slightly better than Yates v Ravens playoff game (especially against above average defenses). My "belief" is based on the negative historical data of late round QBs and that eye ball test which says I see a handful of guys that play and show similiar qualities in pre-season pretty much every year. They largely turn in to Hank Nobody-I-Can remember, Matt Moore or Ryan Fitzpatrick on the high side.

In my mind, I only figuring out whether I am dying by crocodile or python.

 

[steelbtexan]

So then when the Texans opened 5-0 including a win against the highly praised Broncos, dropped a game to the Pack, then rattled off another 6 in a row it did not shut Schaub haters up? Sure it did.



So then you are impressed by someone shouting at the line pointing out who the Mike linebacker is? Is that all it will take for you to be entertained and think your QB knows what he is doing?

You completely ignored what I said. Manning can shout out the Mike linebacker all he wants, but if when the ball is snapped he instantly has 3 defenders in his face like what was happening to Schaub most of the 2nd half of the Hawks game, Manning will get sacked, throw incompletions, and yes, even interceptions. But you do not see that often because that line pass blocks really well. The same can't be said for the Texans OL.

Not a hater, but yes Schaub was still making mistakes and I pointed then out at that time.

Yes I want my QB to point out where the blitz is coming from. It's something I would suspect you have a problem with. (Leadership.)

You do realize that the Seahawks are playing without 3 of their starting OL (LT Okung/C Unger/ RT Giacanbi SP???) The Broncos are without 2 of their starting OL (LT Clady/C Walton) and they seem to be able to make due. Why, could it be Schaub cant avoid the rush as well as Manning/Wilson due to his foot?

As far as the Texans DR's go I dont trust them at all. They are paid by the Texans. Look at the highly respected Dr.Andrews who's paid by the Redskins and how he allowed RG3's career to be screwed up. Team Dr's = conflict of interest. Fans may not see this but players are fungible assets if they aren't playing owners aren't getting a return on the $$$$ that they have invested in said player. It's the team Dr.'s job to get them playing as soon as possible. Sometimes to the detriment of the players career. Sometimes to the detriment of a player having a long, healthy, fruitful life after football.

I personally would like to thank C-N-D for helping me with some of my health issues. He has helped many on this MB with various health issues. I/we are lucky to have somebody as knowlegeable and well connected as C-N-D on this MB. Not that you would have a clue about this, or the fact that while we may disagree on the way the Texans are run, we have respect and love for each other thru good times and bad. A good number of us have actually met each other and despite our differences look forward to seeing each other again.

As far as C-N-D calling Texans injuries, He's been right about 99% of the time. From Boselli/DDW/Spencer/Reed/Schaub etc.... he's been right almost every time. The Texans Dr,s not so much. The injury that bothers me the most is Reed. He had a torn labrum on one hip and the Dr's didn't run the right test (MRI vs MRA to determine if he had torn the labrum in the other hip, which they should've known to do since it was possible/probable that the good hip could've been damaged due to Reed compensating for his bad hip.

Sorry for the long winded post, I just thought I would try to help a newbie realize that there's more to life than the Texans. There's respect and friendship on this MB. Which is why I spend most of my internet time on this MB.

 

[Corrosion]

Context, context, context. Time and place. Situational football. I think you understand the difference but you are just being obtuse.

I personally would have run or taken a kill shot but preferred to run. Last choice was the crap that they ran. And that's not hindsight. In fact, I shouted it out before the play took place. I simply don't trust Schaub not to screw the pooch so if he was going to throw a pick or toss it incomplete, I much preferred they toss it up to Hopkins deep, or some type of deeper pass. In that case, in the event of a pick, it's more like a punt. This was such a by the book move for Kubes.

Run the ball there serves multiple purposes. It's much safer, with much less chance of a disaster. It's very rare for a RB to fumble in a pile like that and a guy picks it up and runs it back to the house. So, it's very likely that a worst case scenario involves a change of possession. And it's less likely a fumble occurs than a pick of any kind. Statistical fact.

Moreover, a run keeps the clock moving. You either make them take the TO or burn time. Both are good. Also, our running game was looking pretty good. There was a decent chance for him to make a 1st down there. But if not, we have the best punter in the NFL who is likely to pin them back inside the 10 or so.

Im not being obtuse at all .... I would much preferred to have just run the damn ball and let Lechler do his job if they didn't make it , said as much multiple times in multiple threads.


But .... despite what we would have done should have done .... Its what Schaub did that resulted in a pick six and another L.


He never should have thrown the damn ball. That's the bottom line.
Taking a sack was the best option remaining - It kept the clock running or forced the SeaDucks to spend a time out , It gave Lechler & the defense the opportunity to do their jobs ..... while still having a 7 point lead and time getting short.

Option A run the ball
Option B take a sack
Option C throw it away
Option D throw a wounded duck in the vicinity of a defender.


Options A & B give relatively the same result - with option B giving Lechler more room to operate .... taking the delay of game penalty we would have seen the SeaDucks decline.

Option C doesn't run time off the clock but is far superior to Option D ....


Option D , Schaubs decision , obviously the worst of all his options even if its not run back for a score , the SeaDucks get a shorter field and momentum.

So then you are impressed by someone shouting at the line pointing out who the Mike linebacker is? Is that all it will take for you to be entertained and think your QB knows what he is doing?

You completely ignored what I said. Manning can shout out the Mike linebacker all he wants, but if when the ball is snapped he instantly has 3 defenders in his face like what was happening to Schaub most of the 2nd half of the Hawks game, Manning will get sacked, throw incompletions, and yes, even interceptions. But you do not see that often because that line pass blocks really well. The same can't be said for the Texans OL.

If you think that's all he's shouting .... you don't know what you are watching.

 

[76Texan]

Im not being obtuse at all .... I would much preferred to have just run the damn ball and let Lechler do his job if they didn't make it , said as much multiple times in multiple threads.


But .... despite what we would have done should have done .... Its what Schaub did that resulted in a pick six and another L.


He never should have thrown the damn ball. That's the bottom line.
Taking a sack was the best option remaining - It kept the clock running or forced the SeaDucks to spend a time out , It gave Lechler & the defense the opportunity to do their jobs ..... while still having a 7 point lead and time getting short.

Option A run the ball
Option B take a sack
Option C throw it away
Option D throw a wounded duck in the vicinity of a defender.


Options A & B give relatively the same result - with option B giving Lechler more room to operate .... taking the delay of game penalty we would have seen the SeaDucks decline.

Option C doesn't run time off the clock but is far superior to Option D ....


Option D , Schaubs decision , obviously the worst of all his options even if its not run back for a score , the SeaDucks get a shorter field and momentum.




If you think that's all he's shouting .... you don't know what you are watching.

Option A. Run the ball strong side left.
Option B. Throw the ball to Graham cutting across the field, behind the weak side backer who had bought the run fake.
Option C. Throw the ball to the inside of OD.

 

[Norg]

that play he needs to be aware more that's what happens when u turn ur back to the D he didn't see that one Hawk come to the line to blitz


im over it tho I cant wait to watch dem Texans at 49ers this will be a really tough game has well man all the games are hard but I think these past weeks have been the toughest

 

[steelbtexan]

Im not being obtuse at all .... I would much preferred to have just run the damn ball and let Lechler do his job if they didn't make it , said as much multiple times in multiple threads.


But .... despite what we would have done should have done .... Its what Schaub did that resulted in a pick six and another L.


He never should have thrown the damn ball. That's the bottom line.
Taking a sack was the best option remaining - It kept the clock running or forced the SeaDucks to spend a time out , It gave Lechler & the defense the opportunity to do their jobs ..... while still having a 7 point lead and time getting short.

Option A run the ball
Option B take a sack
Option C throw it away
Option D throw a wounded duck in the vicinity of a defender.


Options A & B give relatively the same result - with option B giving Lechler more room to operate .... taking the delay of game penalty we would have seen the SeaDucks decline.

Option C doesn't run time off the clock but is far superior to Option D ....


Option D , Schaubs decision , obviously the worst of all his options even if its not run back for a score , the SeaDucks get a shorter field and momentum.




If you think that's all he's shouting .... you don't know what you are watching.

It's sad that Gary cant trust Schaub to make the right decision on something as simple as what you've laid out in this post. Perhaps this is the reason Gary plays things conservatively 99% of the time. If so it's past time to look for a new QB. We can expect Gary to call a run play next time in this situation and that is what's wrong with this whole situation.


No, he doesn't know what he's watching. IMHO

 

[steelbtexan]

Option A. Run the ball strong side left.
Option B. Throw the ball to Graham cutting across the field, behind the weak side backer who had bought the run fake.
Option C. Throw the ball to the inside of OD.

Option D. Throw the ball directly to Sherman.

 

[76Texan]

that play he needs to be aware more that's what happens when u turn ur back to the D he didn't see that one Hawk come to the line to blitz


im over it tho I cant wait to watch dem Texans at 49ers this will be a really tough game has well man all the games are hard but I think these past weeks have been the toughest

Norg, the blitzer was there early; Schaub saw him alright...

Or should I say, Schaub was supposed to see him.

 

[2012Champs]

Norg, the blitzer was there early; Schaub saw him alright...

Or should I say, Schaub was supposed to see him.

A former NFL QB doesnt agree with your assesment. Should someone on the line picked up the blitz?

 

[Porky]

matt was 15th in 20+ plays and 14th in 40+ last year so Im not sure what you are putting him up against

There's a big difference between plays and passes.

 

[2012Champs]

There's a big difference between plays and passes.

So tell me how you get the plays without passes? Certainly since everyone thinks we never attempt any we would have to attempt some number above the number of plays right?

 

[Corrosion]

A former NFL QB doesnt agree with your assesment. Should someone on the line picked up the blitz?

With Newton engaged with the DE (he may as well have whiffed) and the run fake going the opposite direction ..... there isn't anyone to pick up the blitzer , Schaub has to make him miss or eat the sack.
With Schaub's cement shoes I think they are going to have to be much more creative with their protections.

Something I saw the Patriots do on a play action roll out last week was have the center pull & the rest of the OL block down the line as if it were a trap play but the center rolls with the QB picking up any defensive interference .... Brady had all freakin day to survey the field. Very well designed play by Belecheat ....

 

[chenjy9]

"HATE"...?

Seriously???
Critique? Naturally.
Criticism? Of course.
Benching...? Perhaps.

...but Hate??
Really?

Hate is too strong of a word. How about severe dislike? Schaub's ****tiness has transcended anger and disappointment. At this point I just want him on the bench and as far away from the field as possible.

 

[76Texan]

A former NFL QB doesnt agree with your assesment. Should someone on the line picked up the blitz?

On a naked bootleg, there's always at least one free blitzer.
Even if there were two blitzers, it was on Schaub to check into the run play to the opposite side.
It's so simple; you have the defense loaded up on one side (the weak side in this case), it means you have more blockers on the other side.

When the QB decides to stay with the bootleg, it is up to him to deal with the blitzers. He's the one who made the final decision; he's the one that needs to execute the play. It is his own choosing; nobody forced him to do it, not the HC, not the OC, not the defense.

 

[2012Champs]

With Newton engaged with the DE (he may as well have whiffed) and the run fake going the opposite direction ..... there isn't anyone to pick up the blitzer , Schaub has to make him miss or eat the sack.
With Schaub's cement shoes I think they are going to have to be much more creative with their protections.

Something I saw the Patriots do on a play action roll out last week was have the center pull & the rest of the OL block down the line as if it were a trap play but the center rolls with the QB picking up any defensive interference .... Brady had all freakin day to survey the field. Very well designed play by Belecheat ....

He should have t eaten the sack no doubt

 

[ObsiWan]

no he doesnt. not only does he not throw as much deep balls as those guys he doesnt complete them either.

Show us the stats (with a link please) that prove your assertion. Otherwise, you're making stuff up.

 

[mussop]

I'm no Schaub fan. Never have been. But he's not this teams biggest problem. Hell he really doesn't even play QB. Kubiak does. Schaub is just a puppet. He's expected to go out there and be a robot.

Kubiaks rediculous tight reigns on the offense and stupid philosophy of ignoring the yard marker and "getting the ball to the playmakers and let the make plays" is what will prevent this team from ever reaching its potential.

Name another QB in the NFL that is as limited in what he's allowed to do at the LOS. It's ignorant to think this philosophy will work on the NFL level.
This is the easiest offense in the NFL to gameplan against. Just prevent big plays down field give us underneath stuff. Send pressure on third down and spy the check down.

This philosophy sucks!! Doesn't matter who the QB is as long as he has to play with his hands tied. Well at least if we played Keenam he would have a chance to make a play or two with his feet.

 

[Porky]

So tell me how you get the plays without passes? Certainly since everyone thinks we never attempt any we would have to attempt some number above the number of plays right?

If a pass is 15 yards and the YAC is 10, that counts as a 25 yard play. That's how.

 

[Corrosion]

He should have eaten the sack no doubt

/End Thread.

 

[2012Champs]

If a pass is 15 yards and the YAC is 10, that counts as a 25 yard play. That's how.

Matt was 11th in air yards last year but this talk is slightly overrated anyhow


Peyton is behind Schaub this year

http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/804/on-matt-schaub-and-throwing-deep

Look where Brady and Rodgers dominant the attempts


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...-map-of-where-nfl-quarterbacks-throw-the-ball

 

[thunderkyss]

It's sad that Gary cant trust Schaub to make the right decision on something as simple as what you've laid out in this post. Perhaps this is the reason Gary plays things conservatively 99% of the time. If so it's past time to look for a new QB. We can expect Gary to call a run play next time in this situation and that is what's wrong with this whole situation.


No, he doesn't know what he's watching. IMHO

I think there is a reason we rarely ran a 2 minute offense & the "sugar huddle" is a last resort. I'd like to think the problem is Matt, but he seems to thrive when he's in a rhythm.

When this team is pressing, we make mistakes. Whether it's a slew of RBs fumbling the ball, or errant passes, or batted balls, or a bunch of penalties. This offenses history when they're trying to push the tempo isn't all that great.

This year, we've done it a lot & it's been more successful than I would have guessed, but I worry when we play to fast.

I have no problem when we're managing our pace & playing ball control-eat the clock small ball. As long as we continue to push the score, increase our lead. I'm ok with field goals, depending on the opponent. If it's a "known" defense with a crappy offense. No biggie. If it's a crappy defense (New England) with a high powered offense.... TDs are a premium. If we get turnovers & a short field (30 yards or less) settling for a field goal undermines your desire to win (imo).

 

[thunderkyss]

With Newton engaged with the DE (he may as well have whiffed) and the run fake going the opposite direction ..... there isn't anyone to pick up the blitzer , Schaub has to make him miss or eat the sack.
With Schaub's cement shoes I think they are going to have to be much more creative with their protections.

Something I saw the Patriots do on a play action roll out last week was have the center pull & the rest of the OL block down the line as if it were a trap play but the center rolls with the QB picking up any defensive interference .... Brady had all freakin day to survey the field. Very well designed play by Belecheat ....

We had to do something similar last year. We didn't use a center, but the play side HB would come to put a wham block on the backside pursuant. Walter would do it often, but I've seen OD do it as well.

So far this year, looks like we're trying to push the front side as teams are really playing the cutback pretty honest. They're leaving all kinds of holes on the front side & Tate & Foster are taking advantage of it. I think that's also a reason Tate is looking better than Foster. Tate's quicker & likes to get the edge & turn the corner. Where Foster likes to read his blocks & shoot the gaps.

 

[thunderkyss]

When the QB decides to stay with the bootleg, it is up to him to deal with the blitzers. He's the one who made the final decision; he's the one that needs to execute the play. It is his own choosing; nobody forced him to do it, not the HC, not the OC, not the defense.

Agreed.

I think what got him, was that he was expecting that safety to stay on the receiver, he expected movement from him to adjust to Andre's motion.

He comes to the LoS & the defense he sees suggests man. Chancellor was about 7 or 8 yards off the LoS over the TE in the slot. When Andre motions inside the slot, Schaub looking out the corner of his eye expects the safety to come to the LoS to get a hand on Andre, or prevent OD from crossing inside & providing a natural pick for Andre.

So I think (no way to really tell & Matt will never say) Matt saw the safety start his motion to the LoS & then lost track of him. He never saw Chancellor open up towards the line, completely turning his back on Andre. If Schaub saw that, he would have recognized the blitz... no way he couldn't. Then he would have checked to the run.

Watching that play, you can't see the run lanes open suggesting we would have picked up the 4 yards. The TE approaches the MIKE like he's going to block, then breaks off into a route at the last minute. But if Matt would have signaled run, that would have been a good block & a big seam.

After reading your WCO instruction manual, I think I have a better understanding of the system. The audibles. It's all in the snap count. One word means the play called in the huddle, another means the back up play. So this, "Can't audible once the motion is called." is Kubiak falling on the sword. That motion is supposed to help Matt make the call. He just mis-read it.

 

[DocBar]

Agreed.

I think what got him, was that he was expecting that safety to stay on the receiver, he expected movement from him to adjust to Andre's motion.

He comes to the LoS & the defense he sees suggests man. Chancellor was about 7 or 8 yards off the LoS over the TE in the slot. When Andre motions inside the slot, Schaub looking out the corner of his eye expects the safety to come to the LoS to get a hand on Andre, or prevent OD from crossing inside & providing a natural pick for Andre.

So I think (no way to really tell & Matt will never say) Matt saw the safety start his motion to the LoS & then lost track of him. He never saw Chancellor open up towards the line, completely turning his back on Andre. If Schaub saw that, he would have recognized the blitz... no way he couldn't. Then he would have checked to the run.

Watching that play, you can't see the run lanes open suggesting we would have picked up the 4 yards. The TE approaches the MIKE like he's going to block, then breaks off into a route at the last minute. But if Matt would have signaled run, that would have been a good block & a big seam.

After reading your WCO instruction manual, I think I have a better understanding of the system. The audibles. It's all in the snap count. One word means the play called in the huddle, another means the back up play. So this, "Can't audible once the motion is called." is Kubiak falling on the sword. That motion is supposed to help Matt make the call. He just mis-read it.

The point of putting a man in motion is to see what the defense does. If you can't audible after seeing what the defense does, why bother?

 

[thunderkyss]

The point of putting a man in motion is to see what the defense does. If you can't audible after seeing what the defense does, why bother?

You're agreeing with me right?

What you're saying is pretty much what I said.

 

[DocBar]

You're agreeing with me right?

What you're saying is pretty much what I said.

Absolutely. Believe it or else. LOL

 

[Nitrofish]

Not a hater, but yes Schaub was still making mistakes and I pointed then out at that time.

Yes I want my QB to point out where the blitz is coming from. It's something I would suspect you have a problem with. (Leadership.)

You do realize that the Seahawks are playing without 3 of their starting OL (LT Okung/C Unger/ RT Giacanbi SP???) The Broncos are without 2 of their starting OL (LT Clady/C Walton) and they seem to be able to make due. Why, could it be Schaub cant avoid the rush as well as Manning/Wilson due to his foot?

As far as the Texans DR's go I dont trust them at all. They are paid by the Texans. Look at the highly respected Dr.Andrews who's paid by the Redskins and how he allowed RG3's career to be screwed up. Team Dr's = conflict of interest. Fans may not see this but players are fungible assets if they aren't playing owners aren't getting a return on the $$$$ that they have invested in said player. It's the team Dr.'s job to get them playing as soon as possible. Sometimes to the detriment of the players career. Sometimes to the detriment of a player having a long, healthy, fruitful life after football.

I personally would like to thank C-N-D for helping me with some of my health issues. He has helped many on this MB with various health issues. I/we are lucky to have somebody as knowlegeable and well connected as C-N-D on this MB. Not that you would have a clue about this, or the fact that while we may disagree on the way the Texans are run, we have respect and love for each other thru good times and bad. A good number of us have actually met each other and despite our differences look forward to seeing each other again.

As far as C-N-D calling Texans injuries, He's been right about 99% of the time. From Boselli/DDW/Spencer/Reed/Schaub etc.... he's been right almost every time. The Texans Dr,s not so much. The injury that bothers me the most is Reed. He had a torn labrum on one hip and the Dr's didn't run the right test (MRI vs MRA to determine if he had torn the labrum in the other hip, which they should've known to do since it was possible/probable that the good hip could've been damaged due to Reed compensating for his bad hip.

Sorry for the long winded post, I just thought I would try to help a newbie realize that there's more to life than the Texans. There's respect and friendship on this MB. Which is why I spend most of my internet time on this MB.

Of course he was making mistakes. All QB's make mistakes. Are you saying you will not be happy with Schaub until he plays mistake free? Setting the bar kind of high aren't you?

Wilson was getting swarmed because of the missing OL players. And he failed to break 125 yards in the air. Only his feet in the 4th quarter saved him. Are you saying you want that kind of performance every week from your QB? And how much risk does that put your franchise QB at every week? It's ridiculous to believe any QB could hold up under that kind of punishment.

If you have watched any Broncos games Manning is not running for his life like Schaub is. There is no comparison there. The Broncos OL (Even missing Clady) is still heads and shoulders above the Texans OL.

In regards to disrespecting anyone. That is a farse. I never disrespected anyone. I simply asked the questions, which I notice you failed to answer. You just deflected and tried to say what his percentage of being right was, which you have no proof of that either. It's what you choose to believe.

I am not saying he is a quack, or even wrong. I asked you specific questions that in no way besmirched him. Stop deflecting and answer the questions. And I do not want to hear more conspiracy theories on how the medical staff have their own agenda and therefore purposely lie about the health of players. That is lunacy.

Are we still talking about Reed? Holy crap it's over. He is on the team, he is in the lineup, and if it all pans out he will be ready for the playoffs, which is why the Texans signed him.

Oh gee thanks professor for trying to teach me (A Newbie) all about this thing called life. I sure appreciate it. Be sure not to fall while getting down off your high horse. Don't trip over your join date.

 

[Corrosion]

As far as the Texans DR's go I dont trust them at all. They are paid by the Texans. Look at the highly respected Dr.Andrews who's paid by the Redskins and how he allowed RG3's career to be screwed up. Team Dr's = conflict of interest. Fans may not see this but players are fungible assets if they aren't playing owners aren't getting a return on the $$$$ that they have invested in said player. It's the team Dr.'s job to get them playing as soon as possible. Sometimes to the detriment of the players career. Sometimes to the detriment of a player having a long, healthy, fruitful life after football.

I personally would like to thank C-N-D for helping me with some of my health issues. He has helped many on this MB with various health issues. I/we are lucky to have somebody as knowlegeable and well connected as C-N-D on this MB. Not that you would have a clue about this, or the fact that while we may disagree on the way the Texans are run, we have respect and love for each other thru good times and bad. A good number of us have actually met each other and despite our differences look forward to seeing each other again.

As far as C-N-D calling Texans injuries, He's been right about 99% of the time. From Boselli/DDW/Spencer/Reed/Schaub etc.... he's been right almost every time. The Texans Dr,s not so much. The injury that bothers me the most is Reed. He had a torn labrum on one hip and the Dr's didn't run the right test (MRI vs MRA to determine if he had torn the labrum in the other hip, which they should've known to do since it was possible/probable that the good hip could've been damaged due to Reed compensating for his bad hip.

Doc & I had a discussion today about the conflict of interest between Dr.s and professional athletes .... Specifically about RG3 & Dr,Andrews.


My opinion as a nobody ?! RG3 shouldn't have been anywhere near the playing/practice field until very recently.


If Doc Sean cares to give his statement , I'll leave that to him .... but I aint crazy! just little bit drunk!!

Dr Andrews was Ok with him being on the field .... several weeks prior. Anyone watched RG3 in the recent weeks ?! He's looked like some scrub from a semi-pro league .....


Part of my conversation with Doc Sean today was the information we are given Vs the truth of the matter ..... We all know Gary doesn't give much information .... and he gives less when it comes to injuries.
Matt Schaub has a sprained foot .... turns into a significant injury.
Dominick Davis ..... CND was right about. Dude aint played another down in the league.
Tony Boselli .... Doc nailed that one too.

Mailed every one of #80's injuries too ....

Now .... Ed Reed has an "abdominal" injury. You wanna bet me a cool million its related to his hip- problems ..... or is Doc just some crazy dude with two plus decades of experience as a trauma surgeon ?!

No way man , Doc Sean don't know his ass from a hole in the ground .....


(Doc you know this is sarcasm!!)

 

[Corrosion]

Of course he was making mistakes. All QB's make mistakes. Are you saying you will not be happy with Schaub until he plays mistake free? Setting the bar kind of high aren't you?

Wilson was getting swarmed because of the missing OL players. And he failed to break 125 yards in the air. Only his feet in the 4th quarter saved him. Are you saying you want that kind of performance every week from your QB? And how much risk does that put your franchise QB at every week? It's ridiculous to believe any QB could hold up under that kind of punishment.

How many negative , game changing /breaking plays did Wilson make Vs Schaub ?!


Wilson 3 positive plays including a 4th down scramble that leads to a TD.

Schaub .... a pick six resulting in his giving opposing teams 31points from turnovers since the beginning of the season & the SeaDucks tying the score.


Just take the *** **** sack you frickin Moran!!!



Who's playin Qb for this team ....

Or this idiot ....

Hey float gucker , just take the damn sack!!!


Buck Fush.