All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[dream_team]

Romo > Schaub if you give me the choice I'd take Romo in heartbeat.

I don't know about this one... would be a tough decision for me. It doesn't bother you that all of those seasons, they annually had one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, but they only have one playoff victory to show for it? And if you look at those playoff games, they lost because the offense had problems scoring.

 

[Texcore]

I don't know about this one... would be a tough decision for me. It doesn't bother you that all of those seasons, they annually had one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, but they only have one playoff victory to show for it? And if you look at those playoff games, they lost because the offense had problems scoring.

That's a misconception. The Cowboys have not been as talented as people think. After that 13-3 season, lots of things changed. They have needed safety help forever, they have not had a 1000 yard rusher since 2004 I believe, horrible blown coverage CB play, they have an atrocious interior offensive line, Their d-line has not been able to generate an effective pass rush in years as they have had no one to compliment Ware. But they have been doing a good job drafting and acquiring better talent the last couple of years with Dez, their LT Smith, Sean Lee, Murray, Carter, and Claiborne. When you have alot of moving parts it takes time to adjust and gel, like it took time with us when we finally got it all together last year.

And count me in Romo camp. Easily take him over Shaub, in a heartbeat. He'd be awesome on our team.

 

[ATXtexanfan]

I don't know about this one... would be a tough decision for me. It doesn't bother you that all of those seasons, they annually had one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, but they only have one playoff victory to show for it? And if you look at those playoff games, they lost because the offense had problems scoring.

um mobile and a stronger arm. what else do you want? plus a healthy rb

 

[dream_team]

um mobile and a stronger arm. what else do you want? plus a healthy rb

I agree with you on that, Romo definitely is more mobile and has a stronger arm. Schaub can get us to the playoffs no problem. We need a QB who can take us to the SB, which Romo hasn't proven he can do. IMO, he's a guy that doesn't perform as well in the playoffs. Even though he may be better than Schaub, I don't want to simply get another guy that won't take us to the SB.

 

[ObsiWan]

Also, I know there's a big love affair with Kaepernick around here now. But lets not forget, he was put into a really really good situation. Three first round picks on that offensive line. A first round pick receiver and tight end. A pro-bowl running back. One of the greatest receivers of all time (even though past his prime). Not to mention, IMO, the best defense in football.

If we invested this much into our offense, and our defense was as good as the 9ers, I don't think we're complaining about our QB and analyzing the Ravens right now.

I'm glad SOMEbody recognizes that Kaepernick was inserted into an ideal situation. He couldn't lose. If he failed, Alex Smith, a capable "game manager, is standing by to bail him out. Kaepernick didn't have to carry the team to the playoffs. The team was playoff quality before he got there.

 

[buddyboy]

um mobile and a stronger arm. what else do you want? plus a healthy rb

Vince Young is also more mobile and has a stronger arm. Also Jamarcus Russel.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

I'm glad SOMEbody recognizes that Kaepernick was inserted into an ideal situation. He couldn't lose. If he failed, Alex Smith, a capable "game manager, is standing by to bail him out. Kaepernick didn't have to carry the team to the playoffs. The team was playoff quality before he got there.

I do find it very interesting however, that a team that was bound for the playoffs (I agree) was still willing to MAKE CHANGES to a pivotal position like QB despite the fact that it could shake things up, so that they'd have a better chance at not just "making the playoffs" (see Texans) but to go deep into the playoffs.

See Gary, real coaches aren't scared to shake things up because it's what's best for the T-E-A-M.

 

[dream_team]

I do find it very interesting however, that a team that was bound for the playoffs (I agree) was still willing to MAKE CHANGES to a pivotal position like QB despite the fact that it could shake things up, so that they'd have a better chance at not just "making the playoffs" (see Texans) but to go deep into the playoffs.

See Gary, real coaches aren't scared to shake things up because it's what's best for the T-E-A-M.

At the same time:
- that team doesn't rely on their QB too much to win games
- Kaepernick was drafted to eventually become the starter
- if Smith doesn't get a concussion, people wouldn't even know who the 49ers backup QB is

 

[Brisco_County]

Schaub is simply damaged goods, which sucks because he's an extremely hard worker and sacrificed his body for the team. I still remember the bewildered look on Mike Shanahan's face when we beat them in overtime on September 19th, 2011, as he said, "That's one good quarterback they have on that team." But Schaub is physically incapable of performing like that anymore. Maybe he'll rehab and return to form of the Denver 2012 game, but we can't count on him to stay in that shape, just like he hasn't been able to since 2010.

 

[thunderkyss]

Schaub simply doesn't have the arm to make the types of throws needed to win in this system.

I find that hard to believe. I know we're not allowed to use stats to refute Schaub hate'n, but he had a good season by whatever measure you'd rate any other QB. Wins, yards, points, pro bowl.......

I've never been a Schaub fan to speak of, but I've never been a hater either. He's not what I want for this team, but he's performed well despite that.

If you're one of those guys who always believed Matt to be soft, I can understand. But I don't understand blaming his physical abilities or limitations.

Schaub is simply damaged goods, which sucks because he's an extremely hard worker and sacrificed his body for the team.

& I'm not seeing that. I watched the last three games in the last week looking for evidence of physical impairment & I'm just not seeing it. He moves well (for Matt), he plants on that foot with no hesitation. His arm didn't look any more dead to me than it ever did.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

At the same time:
- that team doesn't rely on their QB too much to win games
- Kaepernick was drafted to eventually become the starter
- if Smith doesn't get a concussion, people wouldn't even know who the 49ers backup QB is

With one of the top 2 or 3 RBs in the league, WE shouldn't rely on our QB to win games either.

WE have a good backup QB that should be getting groomed moreso than he is. JMO.

 

[bOODRO87]

& I'm not seeing that. I watched the last three games in the last week looking for evidence of physical impairment & I'm just not seeing it. He moves well (for Matt), he plants on that foot with no hesitation. His arm didn't look any more dead to me than it ever did.

I'm not understanding the bold. Either you can move well or you can't. Charlie Batch showed more mobility/improvising this year at 38 years old.

 

[dream_team]

With one of the top 2 or 3 RBs in the league, WE shouldn't rely on our QB to win games either.

You don't think we already do this? I think Kubiak wants to win games by running the ball, playing good defense, and winning the time of possession. At times, though, our defense and running game has faltered. This is where fans look to Schaub to carry this team, but he's simply not that type of QB. In fact, there aren't too many of those types of QBs in this league.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

At the same time:
- that team doesn't rely on their QB too much to win games
- Kaepernick was drafted to eventually become the starter
- if Smith doesn't get a concussion, people wouldn't even know who the 49ers backup QB is

You don't think we already do this? I think Kubiak wants to win games by running the ball, playing good defense, and winning the time of possession. At times, though, our defense and running game has faltered. This is where fans look to Schaub to carry this team, but he's simply not that type of QB. In fact, there aren't too many of those types of QBs in this league.

I think that we depend on Schaub to pull rabbits out of his hat (ie: get us 6 points rather than the accepted 3) when it seems that an average to above average QB could do much better.

The offense has to trust and believe in their leader--and contrary to what they say publicly, I just don't see that in their play.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

its sad and just plain pathetic how apprehensive Texans fans are from moving away from matt schaub.

As if it would be the end of the world if we got rid of schaub and no way we can get anybody better than a 31 year old glorified back up who barely won his first ever playoff game courtesy of a missed pass by 2 year veteran (2 playoff seasons) andy dalton.

Why are yall so scared to get a new quarterback?

Its not as if Schaub set such a high bar.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

its sad and just plain pathetic how apprehensive Texans fans are from moving away from matt schaub.

As if it would be the end of the world if we got rid of schaub and no way we can get anybody better than a 31 year old glorified back up who barely won his first ever playoff game courtesy of a missed pass by 2 year veteran (2 playoff seasons) andy dalton.

Why are yall so scared to get a new quarterback?

Its not as if Schaub set such a high bar.

Who exactly are you talking to??
There is no shortage of Schaub vitriole on this message board.

If you're going to make such goofy statements, at least do the rest of us the honor of quoting someone you're speaking to or about--so that we can have some clue of where you're coming from.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Who exactly are you talking to??
There is no shortage of Schaub vitriole on this message board.

If you're going to make such goofy statements, at least do the rest of us the honor of quoting someone you're speaking to or about--so that we can have some clue of where you're coming from.

goofy?

before we hit our losing streak at the end of the season there were still stauch matt schaub defenders all over houston. Just like the entire city of houston wanted kubiak gone then he puts up one winning season because wade and he's suddenly a offensive guru.

but you're just gonna pretend that never happened right? Ive been following sports long enough to know how this goes. This is what fans do. but when things were going good yea we can win with schaub then when things go bad "ooh yea that matt schaub and gary kubiak need to go." Pretend they were in the know all along

You're not fooling anybody.

I dont need to quote anybody to post an accurate statement on an insternet message board. That's not a requirement. I can post my thoughts without quoting anybody.

deal with it.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

goofy?

before we hit our losing streak at the end of the season there were still stauch matt schaub defenders all over houston. Just like the entire city of houston wanted kubiak gone then he puts up one winning season because wade and he's suddenly a offensive guru.

but you're just gonna pretend that never happened right? Ive been following sports long enough to know how this goes. This is what fans do. but when things were going good yea we can win with schaub then when things go bad "ooh yea that matt schaub and gary kubiak need to go." Pretend they were in the know all along

You're not fooling anybody.

I dont need to quote anybody to post an accurate statement on an insternet message board. That's not a requirement. I can post my thoughts without quoting anybody.

deal with it.

My fault.
Just saw your start date and post count.
Carry on.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

My fault.
Just saw your start date and post count.
Carry on.

what does that have to do with anything i just posted?

yea its your fault for not having the mental capacity to come back with a football rebuttal but instead look for ways to discredit and trivialize a post because you cant come up with a football rebuttal.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

what does that have to do with anything i just posted?

yea its your fault for not having the mental capacity to come back with a football rebuttal but instead look for ways to discredit and trivialize a post because you cant come up with a football rebuttal.

Exactly right.

 

[thunderkyss]

what does that have to do with anything i just posted?

yea its your fault for not having the mental capacity to come back with a football rebuttal but instead look for ways to discredit and trivialize a post because you cant come up with a football rebuttal.

Most everyone here agrees with you.

But you keep acting like you're the only one on the anybody but Schaub bandwagon.

You're preaching to the choir.

There are more people here that agrees with you than not.

Why do you post as if there is overwhelming support for Matt Schaub here. There isn't.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm not understanding the bold. Either you can move well or you can't. Charlie Batch showed more mobility/improvising this year at 38 years old.

Some folks are saying he has even less mobility than he had before the injury. I'm saying I do not see that. He moves as well as he ever has. He plants on his left foot as well as he ever has. He pushes off his left foot as well as he ever has.

 

[buddyboy]

goofy?

before we hit our losing streak at the end of the season there were still stauch matt schaub defenders all over houston. Just like the entire city of houston wanted kubiak gone then he puts up one winning season because wade and he's suddenly a offensive guru.

but you're just gonna pretend that never happened right? Ive been following sports long enough to know how this goes. This is what fans do. but when things were going good yea we can win with schaub then when things go bad "ooh yea that matt schaub and gary kubiak need to go." Pretend they were in the know all along

You're not fooling anybody.

I dont need to quote anybody to post an accurate statement on an insternet message board. That's not a requirement. I can post my thoughts without quoting anybody.

deal with it.

What's pathetic is the "anyone but Matt Schaub" boat. THIS is what fans do. They convince themselves that the grass is greener, that for some reason, their team is the only team suffering and that any change is good change.

I agree that Matt Schaub can be replaced. In fact, if a replacement comes along that will improve this team, I am ALL FOR IT.

Show me that replacement waiting to be realistically signed/traded for/drafted and I'll be all over that. Until then, Schaub is our best bet.

 

[dream_team]

What's pathetic is the "anyone but Matt Schaub" boat. THIS is what fans do. They convince themselves that the grass is greener, that for some reason, their team is the only team suffering and that any change is good change.

I agree that Matt Schaub can be replaced. In fact, if a replacement comes along that will improve this team, I am ALL FOR IT.

Show me that replacement waiting to be realistically signed/traded for/drafted and I'll be all over that. Until then, Schaub is our best bet.

Agree 100%!

This is what I'm saying to most of my friends asking for Schaub to be replaced. "With who!?" Who can we REALISTICALLY replace Schaub with that will be significantly better?

 

[Vinny]

This is the same argument that Seachicken fans had as Hasselbeck aged. Same kind of quarterback, same kind of issues for the team and the fans. We've kinda turned into the Hasselbeck Seahawks.

 

[dream_team]

This is the same argument that Seachicken fans had as Hasselbeck aged. Same kind of quarterback, same kind of issues for the team and the fans. We've kinda turned into the Hasselbeck Seahawks.

So do you suggest we do the same thing as the Seahawks?
1. Let Schaub (Hasselbeck) go
2. Bring in a young QB (Jackson) with potential, but to have that blow up in our face and waste a whole season.
3. Overpay a free agent QB (Flynn)
4. Draft a QB in the 3rd round and hope we get lucky (Wilson)

On a side note, Hasselbeck was able to get his team to the SuperBowl and was screwed by the refs.

 

[Vinny]

So do you suggest we do the same thing as the Seahawks?
1. Let Schaub (Hasselbeck) go
2. Bring in a young QB (Jackson) with potential, but to have that blow up in our face and waste a whole season.
3. Overpay a free agent QB (Flynn)
4. Draft a QB in the 3rd round and hope we get lucky (Wilson)

On a side note, Hasselbeck was able to get his team to the SuperBowl and was screwed by the refs.

it's moot....we already extended our Hasslebeck like they could have, but didn't.

 

[bOODRO87]

Teddy Bridgewater in '14. Give up whatever it takes to get him. Schaub gets another year or two to prove himself and we draft a stud. That should please both sides of the QB argument.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

Teddy Bridgewater in '14. Give up whatever it takes to get him. Schaub gets another year or two to prove himself and we draft a stud. That should please both sides of the QB argument.

 

[Premier]

the whole "with who?" argument is just as flawed as "anybody but schaub". at some point youre going to have to take a risk and gamble on an unproven commodity. the obvious choices arent going to ever be available. once you really accept that schaub isnt the guy, you have to do something. if you keep asking "with who?" then we we'll keep doing the same thing over and over and schaub will never get replaced. then after 3 more years are flushed down the toilet and 3-4 more mid-round qbs prove to be studs, it will be too late..

 

[thunderkyss]

the whole "with who?" argument is just as flawed as "anybody but schaub". at some point youre going to have to take a risk and gamble on an unproven commodity. the obvious choices arent going to ever be available. once you really accept that schaub isnt the guy, you have to do something. if you keep asking "with who?" then we we'll keep doing the same thing over and over and schaub will never get replaced. then after 3 more years are flushed down the toilet and 3-4 more mid-round qbs prove to be studs, it will be too late..

You're assuming we can't win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Again, never been a Schaub fan. I don't like him, never did. But I'd be lying if I said he hasn't played at a high level over the last 6 years. A level high enough to win a Super Bowl.

I know there are times when you see the goofy bastard out there, you shake your head, sometimes drop your head..... face palm.... I mean even the Forest Gump striding Peyton Manning will pick up 5 yards or 7 yards if he needs it to move the chains. Our guy will trip & fumble over his own two feet.

Speaking of Peyton Manning, if I could chose a QB to lead my team, it'd be 18 hands down. He's smarter than everyone else on the field, he reads defenses quick, he manipulates DBs, he understands the game, he's a field general, he's got a laser rocket arm...

But he's only won 1 Super Bowl. So what do I know?

I didn't think Tom Brady was shiz as a QB when he won 3 of them. When I finally thought he belonged in the "Best QB" conversation, he hasn't been able to get it done.

Roethlisberger...... who'd have thunk he would already have won 2

 

[thunderkyss]

Here are Andre's comments about the season & Matt Schaub, and his offseason.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

What's pathetic is the "anyone but Matt Schaub" boat. THIS is what fans do. They convince themselves that the grass is greener, that for some reason, their team is the only team suffering and that any change is good change.

I agree that Matt Schaub can be replaced. In fact, if a replacement comes along that will improve this team, I am ALL FOR IT.

Show me that replacement waiting to be realistically signed/traded for/drafted and I'll be all over that. Until then, Schaub is our best bet.

They have. The ABS crew have routinely pointed out that Jon Kitna is available!

 

[amazing80]

Schaub with an under throw on a deep ball that gets picked

 

[hookinreds]

Schaub with an under throw on a deep ball that gets picked

Exactly!

 

[tru80texan]

Awwwwww.....classic Schaub. Even at the Pro Bowl w/ NUMEROUS receiving options our 1 read qb tries to force it to Andre w/ 2 defenders in the area & what happens...INTERCEPTION!

If he can't find someone else to throw to at the Pro Bowl will bringing in a legit #2 WR really help???

 

[nut]

SChaub's arm is not strong enough to get us to the SB. No offense to him as a person.

 

[amazing80]

YES!!!!! He went into the fetal position, my night is complete

 

[thunderkyss]

Not that I want to jump on the Schaub hate, but he's making it difficult for Andrew Luck to win this game.

Two interceptions, both resulted in scores (short field & all). Then he wastes all the time remaining in the second qtr & wastes half of the third qtr.... TD is good, but he's killing the clock.

That throw to Aj Green in the endzone, three inches inside & it's a TD from the 30 & he leaves almost 3 minutes on the clock.

With that score, they should have gone to hurry up all ready.

Ah.... now that looks like Texans Special teams. Is Coach Joe coaching the AFC coverage team?


I was surprised to see him pick up that 3rd & 10 with his legs.

 

[Premier]

lol how unnecessarily bad was schaubs TD throw to Cribbs? He had the opportunity to lead Cribbs to the ground, with a throw into his mid-section, which would have allowed cribbs to catch, cradle, and roll. Instead, Schaub throws a ball where cribbs has to reach up and behind his head to make an extremely difficult catch that ultimately was dropped when he hit the ground.. lol at the folks that argue schaubs great accuracy, based on completion numbers.. accuracy by its true definition, is not a trait schaub possesses.. you know the old drill where qbs throw the ball through a tire? well, schaub misses the tire completely..

 

[HJam72]

lol how unnecessarily bad was schaubs TD throw to Cribbs? He had the opportunity to lead Cribbs to the ground, with a throw into his mid-section, which would have allowed cribbs to catch, cradle, and roll. Instead, Schaub throws a ball where cribbs has to reach up and behind his head to make an extremely difficult catch that ultimately was dropped when he hit the ground.. lol at the folks that argue schaubs great accuracy, based on completion numbers.. accuracy by its true definition, is not a trait schaub possess.. you know the old drill where qbs throw the ball through a tire? well, schaub misses the tire completely..

Yes, but he never ever throws it too hard.

 

[buddyboy]

the whole "with who?" argument is just as flawed as "anybody but schaub". at some point youre going to have to take a risk and gamble on an unproven commodity. the obvious choices arent going to ever be available. once you really accept that schaub isnt the guy, you have to do something. if you keep asking "with who?" then we we'll keep doing the same thing over and over and schaub will never get replaced. then after 3 more years are flushed down the toilet and 3-4 more mid-round qbs prove to be studs, it will be too late..

The situation I keep reliving is the Rockets; being stuck in mediocrity and fans constantly demanding a "superstar" and then complaining with Morey's attempts failed.

Yeah, we (the Rockets) could have tanked. Tanking has been proven to be the best chance at getting a superstar. Tanking has also led to some of the most pathetic franchises ever (the Bobcats).

Also, how many mid-round qbs have proven to be studs? Russell Wilson is a rookie, you can't call him a stud yet (look at how great Cam and Matt Stafford have been after promising starts). For every Russell Wilson, there are two Kevin Kolbs (or more). Even first round QBs are dangerous (Carr/Ponder/Gabbert).

 

[GP]

lol how unnecessarily bad was schaubs TD throw to Cribbs? He had the opportunity to lead Cribbs to the ground, with a throw into his mid-section, which would have allowed cribbs to catch, cradle, and roll. Instead, Schaub throws a ball where cribbs has to reach up and behind his head to make an extremely difficult catch that ultimately was dropped when he hit the ground.. lol at the folks that argue schaubs great accuracy, based on completion numbers.. accuracy by its true definition, is not a trait schaub possesses.. you know the old drill where qbs throw the ball through a tire? well, schaub misses the tire completely..

I am very guilty of having argued, earlier in the season this year, that Schaub was intentionally placing footballs where only HIS guys could reach them.

I 100% believed it was a taught technique in Gary's offense. He did it, and still does it, with such regularity, that it was the only conclusion to draw...since, ahem, we're always told that the NFL teams' coaches know more than we do.

But now, I'm convinced I gave the guy way more credit than he deserved.

I wish Gary would get the urge to really open up camp in 2013, to where the QBs all get a shot just like the freaking field goal kickers have been given open competitions. Only in the NFL can you see coaches allowing open competitions for kicker...but NOT for QB. That's not very damn practical.

At what stage did the NFL become a place where "Well, we gave x-player y-amount of money...so that means he's the defacto starter. Until he gets hurt, then hell we'll try out our other QBs who have been running scout team and not getting reps with starters all year." Seems logical.

 

[Texanmike02]

Can someone explain why I don't hear bitching about flaccos under throw in the SB? Oh his receivers are making plays.

Mike

 

[DX-TEX]

Can someone explain why I don't hear bitching about flaccos under throw in the SB? Oh his receivers are making plays.

Mike

And it was ****ing Jacoby jones!!

Hey football gods, let me spread my legs so you get a nice clean shot at my junk!

 

[BullBlitz]

Can someone explain why I don't hear bitching about flaccos under throw in the SB? Oh his receivers are making plays.

Mike

Maybe because he at least got them to the Super Bowl and made some great throws doing it.

Maybe because JJ is a true burner and outran the ball.

Who knows?

 

[Texanmike02]

Maybe because he at least got them to the Super Bowl and made some great throws doing it.

Maybe because JJ is a true burner and outran the ball.

Who knows?

Look how open the receivers are though. Holy crap. Receivers are giving him a place to throw the ball.

Mike

 

[thunderkyss]

Can someone explain why I don't hear bitching about flaccos under throw in the SB? Oh his receivers are making plays.

Mike

That one he was looking for the PI on was pathetic.

But I don't have an issue with Matt under throwing the ball, its how often he under throws regardless how open his receiver is. Joe will throw his receiver open every now & then.


Damn Jacoby Jones all the way. 109 yards.

 

[infantrycak]

Maybe because JJ is a true burner and outran the ball.

Who knows?

Well this one isn't it because AJ is faster than JJ.

 

[amazing80]

joe rarely underthrows a guy, thus when he does do it, no one bitches.....matt rarely OVER THROWS guys, thus when he does it we are in shock