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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

Schaub has looked terrible to me. Like a fish out of water.


I think the Raiders offense is going to look really bad this year with Schaub at QB. Their Oline was giving up some pressure, and Schaub can't deal with that at all.

I've seen people say the smart football decision was to keep Schaub another year. I don't agree with that. He looks bad. Fitzpatrick has more juice to his game than Schaub does at this point in time.
 
klockWork said:
I thought Schaub looked good in the first game. The second, he panic quite often in the pocket even before the pressure actually got there. The Raiders oline looks worst than any line Schaub had to played with.

Any QB with mobility issue will struggle severely due to the integrity of the Raiders pass protection.
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Schaub looks good at times, but he pushes the ball more now and makes too many team killer mistakes. Dude looks like a good back up though. He should be able to milk that kinda gig for years. He's the new past his prime Neil O'Donnell.
 
Speedy said:
If Schaub is at NRG in week 2, it means Carr or McGloin is the starter, because NRG is a bad place for Schaub to be with his team playing the Texans at the O.Co.
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Yes my mistake. Texans in the Black Hole in week 2, not NRG.
 
Well, he did have a fumble tonight against the Packers, but he's also had a lot of dropped passes that would've been TDs.
 
HouTx11 said:
Well, he did have a fumble tonight against the Packers, but he's also had a lot of dropped passes that would've been TDs.
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He plays for the Raiders, so there will be a lot of built-in excuses. As long as Manziel continues to sabotage his career, I might make Derek Carr the favorite as the first rookie QB to get a start.
 
He looked bad tonight. Should have had a TD though.

But he still cannot deal with even mild pressure. I hope he's starting when we play them like lucky said. Raiders are going to be bad with him at qb though so he might not make it. And they don't have any nonsensical loyalty to him so....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
He looked bad tonight. Should have had a TD though.

But he still cannot deal with even mild pressure. I hope he's starting when we play them like lucky said. Raiders are going to be bad with him at qb though so he might not make it. And they don't have any nonsensical loyalty to him so....
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Schaub WILL be there for us.......the Raiders' HC shows the same unbending blind faith we saw on our side of the fence last year.

From the Mercury News:

Oakland's offense misfired for most of the night with the starters on the field. The Raiders netted 60 yards on their first five drives. Running back Maurice Jones-Drew accounted for 40 of those on his touchdown run in the first quarter.

Schaub completed his first three passes. He spent the rest of the first half trying to find a rhythm that never arrived.

Schaub completed 5 of 11 passes for 17 yards on his first six drives. It wasn't until the Packers starters exited that Schaub moved the ball with much consistency.

"We've got to improve ourselves in the passing game," Allen said. "That's a full-time team effort. That's not about one individual."
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xtruroyaltyx said:
He looked bad tonight. Should have had a TD though.

But he still cannot deal with even mild pressure.
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Right... still cannot, as in, "Never could"

The Raiders know that & they've got to be planning around that. Schaub compensates for a poor offensive line by getting into a rhythm. Three step, five step drops, ball comes out. The Oakland receivers didn't look bad really... other than they can't catch, but they all looked to be able to get off the line & into their routes quickly. He had plenty of people to throw the ball. (actually, now that I think about it, it wasn't until GB put their second team in that the receivers were getting open).

He's never going to be Collin Kaepernick.


But it does look like he's pushing the ball more.
 
thunderkyss said:
Right... still cannot, as in, "Never could"

The Raiders know that & they've got to be planning around that. Schaub compensates for a poor offensive line by getting into a rhythm. Three step, five step drops, ball comes out. The Oakland receivers didn't look bad really... other than they can't catch, but they all looked to be able to get off the line & into their routes quickly. He had plenty of people to throw the ball.

He's never going to be Collin Kaepernick.


But it does look like he's pushing the ball more.
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ummm... isn't that rather important for a receiver??
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Did they change the rule for a completion?

11:30 into the Raiders game, James Jones high-points a ball, gets both feet down, but as he goes to the ground, the ball gets knocked loose a little, it never really leave his possession, he just bobbles it a little. He regains clear control of the ball, so as he's laying on his back, he's able to hold the ball up with both hands.

But the referee overturns what was previously ruled a TD saying the receiver did not maintain complete control.

Now, I always thought "complete control" was only applied when the ball makes contact with the ground, it never did in this case.
 
thunderkyss said:
Did they change the rule for a completion?

11:30 into the Raiders game, James Jones high-points a ball, gets both feet down, but as he goes to the ground, the ball gets knocked loose a little, it never really leave his possession, he just bobbles it a little. He regains clear control of the ball, so as he's laying on his back, he's able to hold the ball up with both hands.

But the referee overturns what was previously ruled a TD saying the receiver did not maintain complete control.

Now, I always thought "complete control" was only applied when the ball makes contact with the ground, it never did in this case.
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The ball moved as he was rolling on the ground - out of bounds I might add. To me, the play was over when he secured the ball with both hands and firmly planted two feet in bounds. That "maintain control all the way through the process" is adding bureaucratic B/S to a simple act of catching the ball.
That was an Effin' catch and TD.
 
People making a big deal about preseason games. Watching the Raiders games, it's clear that Schaub will fail because he has no help at all. Having said that I think once MJD and DMC are in the the whole game things will change.

Surely they will all get better as the regular season progresses. They can't really keep dropping that many easy catches can they?

Schaub proved everyone wrong about his arm strength in the game and pushed the ball down field just fine and with touch. The pass to the FB that was dropped was perfect. The pass to Jones was perfect. Many, many drops of easily catchable balls.

The offensive line should be concerning them more than anything. It seems like the have the 2013 version of the right side of the Texans line, only on both sides.

People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful
 
Nitrofish said:
People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful
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I watched the raiders because they were on cbs. I don't think anyone is buying season pass to watch Schaub.

Also, just like other players we are calling it like we see it. Hes played bad.

Lastly, wait till the regular season? No other plsywr is above criticism by throwing up poor ore season performances. Check the board. Check ither teams' boards.

Schaub didn't just start playing poorly this pre season. He had a regular season last year to show his stuff and he was awful.

This isn't personal towards Schaub. He's just not all that good a qb right now.
 
From PFT.

Schaub threw for just 110 yards, completing 13 of 27 passes, and he acknowledged afterward that the Raiders’ offense still has work to do.

“We better be close to getting ready for the regular season, obviously,” Schaub said. “We got off to a good start, which is what we wanted to do — that was our plan. Then we sort of stubbed our toe.”

That “good start” Schaub references was a 40-yard touchdown run by Maurice Jones-Drew on Oakland’s first drive. That was a good play by Jones-Drew, and it was about the only good play the Raiders’ first-string offense made: Oakland went three-and-out on its next five drives, and Schaub lost a fumble on the drive after that.
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Certainly not good after a Lisfranc.
 
Nitrofish said:
People making a big deal about preseason games. Watching the Raiders games, it's clear that Schaub will fail because he has no help at all. Having said that I think once MJD and DMC are in the the whole game things will change.

Surely they will all get better as the regular season progresses. They can't really keep dropping that many easy catches can they?

Schaub proved everyone wrong about his arm strength in the game and pushed the ball down field just fine and with touch. The pass to the FB that was dropped was perfect. The pass to Jones was perfect. Many, many drops of easily catchable balls.

The offensive line should be concerning them more than anything. It seems like the have the 2013 version of the right side of the Texans line, only on both sides.

People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful
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no more desperate and pitiful than people defending a bad QB. His own HC said they need to get MUCH better in the passing game, while Schaub was in at QB. He still has happy feet and still has a noodle for an arm...

It's not a matter of if but when Carr replaces him as the starting QB. Schaub is a stop gap until Carr gets more familiar with the playbook and is ready to take over...
 
ObsiWan said:
The ball moved as he was rolling on the ground - out of bounds I might add. To me, the play was over when he secured the ball with both hands and firmly planted two feet in bounds. That "maintain control all the way through the process" is adding bureaucratic B/S to a simple act of catching the ball.
That was an Effin' catch and TD.
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Yes, they changed the rule a year or two ago. Now you must maintain possession all the way to the ground (and maybe a bit longer), even if you have already gone OB.
 
Interesting to point out for anyone still convinced that Schaub's arm strength has not been questionable.......he has completed just 2 of 13 passes of more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Interesting to point out for anyone still convinced that Schaub's arm strength has not been questionable.......he has completed just 2 of 13 passes of more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.
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And in his last appearance as a Texan he hacked one for an over throw incompletion 63 yards in the air. Not sure your stat proves anything. Sounds more like inaccuracy.
 
Raiders' nightmare: Schaub '14 resembles Flynn '13
Vic Tafur

Quarterback Matt Schaub missed practice Sunday afternoon with a sore elbow, almost a year to the day after struggling Matt Flynn bowed out with the same injury and lost his starting job.

Head coach Dennis Allen said Schaub, who has been ineffective in the first three preseason games, first told him about the soreness Saturday, and rookie Derek Carr worked with the first team Sunday.

"We'll see where (Schaub's) at tomorrow and kind of take that day by day," Allen said.

In a conference call Saturday afternoon, Allen was asked if he was concerned with what seems to be a lack of arm strength for Schaub.

"I haven't seen that," Allen said, "so I guess the answer to that question would be no."

In three preseason games, Schaub has completed 24 of 47 passes for 218 yards (4.6 yards per attempt) with an interception. For all the talk of Schaub's confidence being back after a dreadful season in Houston, the former Pro Bowler has completed just 2 of 13 passes of more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The Raiders have scored on only two of the 15 possessions that Schaub's been in for this preseason.

Oakland general manager Reggie McKenzie traded for Schaub this offseason, just as he did for Flynn last year. And whether it's coincidence or exit strategy, this is exactly what happened with Flynn last year.

He was ineffective and then had an elbow injury in Week 4 of preseason. Flynn missed the game against the Seahawks, and after a week of bluffs and feigned indecision, Terrelle Pryor was named the starter for the season opener.

Flynn actually had better numbers than Schaub does in the preseason. Despite looking like a deer in the headlights and being sacked seven times, Flynn was 19-of-27 for 180 yards (6.7 yards per attempt) for a touchdown with two interceptions.

Flynn would be cut Oct. 7, after one dismal start when Pryor was hurt against Washington. Pryor, by the way, was traded in the offseason and is back in town Thursday as a backup with the Seahawks.

Schaub was unavailable Sunday but is scheduled to talk to reporters after practice Monday...
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infantrycak said:
And in his last appearance as a Texan he hacked one for an over throw incompletion 63 yards in the air. Not sure your stat proves anything. Sounds more like inaccuracy.
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Which also then begins to take us back to the foot and its effect on mechanics (which definitely affects accuracy and also affects consistency of arm strength). As the season proceeds, I expect to see the "wear-down" phenomenon to become more and more obvious.
 
From Rotoworld:

An arm injury doesn't explain Schaub's inability to move or make sound decisions, but could be telling in regards to his noticeable shortage of arm strength. Schaub has looked genuinely Matt Flynnian in preseason games. Perhaps the sore elbow will be the excuse Dennis Allen needs to put Schaub out of his misery. He's been outplayed by rookie Derek Carr throughout August. Aug 24 - 8:28 PM
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BullNation4Life said:
no more desperate and pitiful than people defending a bad QB. His own HC said they need to get MUCH better in the passing game, while Schaub was in at QB. He still has happy feet and still has a noodle for an arm...

It's not a matter of if but when Carr replaces him as the starting QB. Schaub is a stop gap until Carr gets more familiar with the playbook and is ready to take over...
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Sure it is... You have no idea what will become of Schaub this season, and he certainly has a fine resume. Certainly better than a #1 overall pick who previously was under center for the Texans.

It seems to me it's far more desperate and pitiful to continue your assault on a QB you dislike after he has been traded to another team just so you can say "See I knew it all along" or "See I told you so". I think more than likely you want to see him fail so that it does not reflect badly on you and all of the nonsensical things you have had to say about him.

Some fans are just being mean for the sake of being mean. And after all of the QB's that have been run out of this town who deserved much better treatment from the fan base than they got. Is it any wonder that a guy like Warren Moon is doing Seahawks games instead doing Texans games. Could it be because he too was treated poorly by fans like you?

Like it or not, and regardless how low the bar is set. Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come. And all he gets for the blood sweat and tears he gave trying to entertain you is childish trash talking, even after he has been traded. That is truly sad and pitiful. What is it like to be so angry and miserable all the time? :pissed:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From Rotoworld: ...He's been outplayed by rookie Derek Carr throughout August.
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I have watched each and every game and this is a complete lie. Carr has flashed a few times, but hardly outplayed anyone, let alone Matt Schaub. Matt McGloin has outplayed Carr at every turn. This is what they call reporting these days.
 
Nitrofish said:
Sure it is... You have no idea what will become of Schaub this season, and he certainly has a fine resume. Certainly better than a #1 overall pick who previously was under center for the Texans.

It seems to me it's far more desperate and pitiful to continue your assault on a QB you dislike after he has been traded to another team just so you can say "See I knew it all along" or "See I told you so". I think more than likely you want to see him fail so that it does not reflect badly on you and all of the nonsensical things you have had to say about him.

Some fans are just being mean for the sake of being mean. And after all of the QB's that have been run out of this town who deserved much better treatment from the fan base than they got. Is it any wonder that a guy like Warren Moon is doing Seahawks games instead doing Texans games. Could it be because he too was treated poorly by fans like you?

Like it or not, and regardless how low the bar is set. Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come. And all he gets for the blood sweat and tears he gave trying to entertain you is childish trash talking, even after he has been traded. That is truly sad and pitiful. What is it like to be so angry and miserable all the time? :pissed:
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I may not exactly know, but I have a pretty good idea what will become of Matt Schaub, because I pay attention to his decline. I pay attention to the fact for the last 3 years, he has been on a decline. I am truly sorry people are too blinded by their Shaubism that they cannot see that he is not a good QB, and that he was medicore through his career. I'm not pissed or miserable about anything, I am just stating facts and the fact is Matt Schaub, at this moment, is not a good QB...

The fact you can even say he has been the best QB in Texans franchise history with a straight face is remarkable. Compared to whom, David Carr? Schaub's first season he accomplished more than David Carr did, and Carr didn't even bother setting the bar, much less setting it very high. To say "Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come" is true statement, for now, it also reflects a very, very, very small sample size to make such a statement. Also to say he will be better for some time to come is kinda arrogant. So now we can predict the future?

Just like I cannot predict what Schaub's season will be like, although signs are already pointing to horrible, you cannot predict that Matt Schaub best this franchise will see for some time to come.

So Schaub being the best QB this franchise has seen isn't because of his accomplishments, it's simple lack of options. Give any QB 8 years in a system and they can put up the number Schaub did, maybe even in 4...


I cannot comment on Warren Moon getting run out of town, I wasn't a Oilers fan back in those days, so I could care less why he was here or not but if I did some research, I bet it was because of his decline. I don't remember him doing much in Minnesota or Seattle after leaving Houston...

I haven't once said "I told you so" and I won't have to nor am I waiting for Schaub to fail. He will fail, he is not a good QB so I do not have to wait on anything. He will be replaced before the year by a rookie and Schaub will be like dust in the wind...(Correction, will already be replaced by Carr before the season starts due to a "sore" elbow)

sorry, you are in the minority on this one, especially when Schaub's own coach says he needs to play better. I'll take his opinion over yours any day of the week, twice on Sunday...

Later!
 
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Dennis Allen is saying that Schaub's elbow is a minor problem, and has not changed the fact that he is to start the season opener.
 
Some organizations execute a well-defined plan at quarterback. Other teams are the Oakland Raiders.

Just when it appeared that Matt Schaub's bout with elbow tendinitis had given Dennis Allen an excuse to turn to a younger arm capable of throwing convincingly beyond 10 yards, the Raiders head coach insisted Monday that the sketchy Week 1 plan remains the same and there are no concerns at quarterback.

Schaub said, via the San Francisco Chronicle, that his elbow soreness has been lingering for a couple of weeks, but has not affected his throwing. In fact, Schaub insists he's "100 percent" despite sitting out practice the past two days.

Allen backed up Schaub's assessment, adding that he has no concerns of his own about the elbow. This comes one day after Allen -- presumably with a straight face -- told reporters that he has not seen a lack of arm strength from Schaub.

If Allen isn't either in denial or playing fast-and-loose with the truth, he should be banned from quarterback evaluation for the rest of his career.

If Schaub is being sincere about the elbow soreness not affecting his throwing, the Raiders are in deep trouble.

The preseason play-calling has focused on dump offs, screens and crossers within a few yards of the line of scrimmage, as Schaub's fluttering intermediate and deep passes inevitably turn into contested balls.

Now is the time for the Raiders to exit damage control, concede their quarterback plan was flawed from the beginning and turn to Derek Carr or Matt McGloin for the season opener.

Instead, Allen will continue to stick his head in the sand, placing his own future and the fate of the 2014 Raiders behind a broken eight-ball.
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Minor elbow tendonitis is an extremely common condition experienced in NFL QBs. That's why you see most QBs icing their throwing elbow after games. When they are significant, during games they will wear the thin elastic bands just below their elbow in order to relieve tension on the tendon.

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Notice, Schaub was not wearing one during his last game.

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Nitrofish said:
I have watched each and every game and this is a complete lie. Carr has flashed a few times, but hardly outplayed anyone, let alone Matt Schaub. Matt McGloin has outplayed Carr at every turn. This is what they call reporting these days.
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Don't forget to mention that if Schaub is replaced by Carr or McGloin it won't be because they outplayed him, it will be because of the d!ck move the Texans pulled in waiting to trade him instead of just cutting him - thus not allowing him a fair chance at a starting opportunity.
 
Fred said:
Don't forget to mention that if Schaub is replaced by Carr or McGloin it won't be because they outplayed him, it will be because of the d!ck move the Texans pulled in waiting to trade him instead of just cutting him - thus not allowing him a fair chance at a starting opportunity.
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What in the world are you talking about? The Texans did what was right for the Texans - not Matt Schaub.

Fair chance at a starting opportunity? The Raiders IMMEDIATELY named him the starter. He was HANDED the starting job (just like he was in Houston).

What does the Texans trading him have to do with Schaub being replaced by Carr or McGloin? And wasn't this trade before the draft? That means that Carr wasn't even on the team yet. What's the connection between the Texans trading Schaub and Schaub possibly being replaced?

Hell, the guy managed to find a team willing to pay his absurd salary. He should be happy with that alone.
 
houstonspartan said:
What in the world are you talking about? The Texans did what was right for the Texans - not Matt Schaub.

Fair chance at a starting opportunity? The Raiders IMMEDIATELY named him the starter. He was HANDED the starting job (just like he was in Houston).

Hell, the guy managed to find a team willing to pay his absurd salary. He should be happy with that alone.
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The guy you're responding to was teasing Nitrofish and forgot the :kitten:
 
I loved Schaub and I was born and raised in Fresno but both of them play for the Raiders so I hope both fail spectacularly.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The guy you're responding to was teasing Nitrofish and forgot the :kitten:
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Nitrofish from March and a couple of responses:

Nitrofish said:
I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!

I would like to believe all of this means that they are going to start him for one more season at this point. Many of you have given your reasons why they won't cut him until last minute, but I think if they believed as many of you do, (washed up, noodle arm, shell shocked, horrible) they would have cut him already, but then Newton is still on the team also, so I have no idea wtf is going on.

Classless move if they rob him of a chance to start elsewhere by holding onto him to long.
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Lucky said:
So the Texans suck because they fired Kubiak before the end of the season (giving him extra time to look for a job), but also suck because they're holding on to Schaub a few extra days to see if he can bring value in a trade? That makes a lot of sense.

Nobody, but nobody, believes Schaub will play QB for the Texans next year.
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Fred said:
Don't call someone else out for being ridiculous and then put complete nonsense in the rest of your post. Teams don't lock down their starting lineup in the middle of March. If a better player is available later, they will make him the starter. So if Schaub is available next week or next month or in June, if he is better than a team's starter he will beat out the other guy. If Schaub is available immediately and a team signs him, they may be projecting him as the starter but that's not a guarantee (see Seahawks & Matt Flynn).

So you think the Texans pulled a d!ck move by keeping Kubiak too long??? Or you are one of the folks here who hate everything about the Texans and will spin anything they do into a d!ck move. Personally I would rather they do what is in the best interest of the team, which at times does require some d!ck moves, although Kubiak and Schaub don't fall into that category.
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houstonspartan said:
Fair chance at a starting opportunity? The Raiders IMMEDIATELY named him the starter. He was HANDED the starting job (just like he was in Houston).
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There was no competition to be had. Schaub was clearly the best QB on the team the minute he signed his contract with Houston. A fake competition would have served no purpose.
 
Nitrofish said:
People making a big deal about preseason games. Watching the Raiders games, it's clear that Schaub will fail because he has no help at all. Having said that I think once MJD and DMC are in the the whole game things will change.

Surely they will all get better as the regular season progresses. They can't really keep dropping that many easy catches can they?

Schaub proved everyone wrong about his arm strength in the game and pushed the ball down field just fine and with touch. The pass to the FB that was dropped was perfect. The pass to Jones was perfect. Many, many drops of easily catchable balls.

The offensive line should be concerning them more than anything. It seems like the have the 2013 version of the right side of the Texans line, only on both sides.

People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful
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Yep

Hopefully MS is starting the 2nd game of the season. I cant wait to see MS trying to aoid the rush of JJ/Clowney/Cush etc... That should be fun. Ahhh!!!! good times are coming.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Which also then begins to take us back to the foot and its effect on mechanics (which definitely affects accuracy and also affects consistency of arm strength). As the season proceeds, I expect to see the "wear-down" phenomenon to become more and more obvious.
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If it isn't obvious by now Doc, it never will be.
 
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