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"Matt Schaub gives Texans best chance to win in 2014" -Marshall Faulk

Hervoyel said:
One of his highlight reel plays in Baltimore ends up being a fumble or a right-in-the-hands incompletion at the worst possible time like he dropped on us so often and he's not thought of as a guy who did good in his second stop.
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True. And truth is one of his highlight plays where everyone talks about him and Flacco was a goat fornication all the way around. DB blew his assignment leaving JJ open by 15 yards and "big arm" Flacco under threw him horribly. But they're "clutch" now.
 
infantrycak said:
We saw a more productive guy and were right to let him go. Jacoby's production as a WR in two years in Baltimore barely tops his production in his last year as a Texan. They did not unleash some hidden Jacoby the Texans couldn't find on the league. He is now staring at a big pay cut for 2014 since the Ravens have offered something much smaller and he is attempting to find interest in the market.
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Looks like Jacoby just got re-upped for 4 years. Possible 14 mil, 4.5 guaranteed. I guess that's about on par with his original Ravens' contract at 7 mil over two years.
LINK
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...t-matt-schaub-not-leaving-texans-anytime-soon

schaub might be here while
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This town is going to have a collective meltdown if they keep Schaub.

Personally, I don't care. yeah, he looked terrible in 2013, but he was a solid QB in prior seasons. And if they make the strategic decision to keep him, then I root for the TEAM as a Texans fan. Same with Manziel should they decide to draft him.

But, I can only speak for one fan. The rest of this city is going to have a mental aneurysm if it happens.
 
Double Barrel said:
This town is going to have a collective meltdown if they keep Schaub.

Personally, I don't care. yeah, he looked terrible in 2013, but he was a solid QB in prior seasons. And if they make the strategic decision to keep him, then I root for the TEAM as a Texans fan. Same with Manziel should they decide to draft him.

But, I can only speak for one fan. The rest of this city is going to have a mental aneurysm if it happens.
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I'll be one those and then I'll probably burst into psychotic laughter followed by a crying session.
 
I for one can't wait for Schaub to be released and we move on from Mr. Derp Face. The ONLY way I can be convinced that keeping him is a good thing would be if they allow him to go on that field with that scooter thing they gave him when he hurt his foot. Lord knows that is the most mobile Schaub has ever been...
 
Double Barrel said:
This town is going to have a collective meltdown if they keep Schaub.

Personally, I don't care. yeah, he looked terrible in 2013, but he was a solid QB in prior seasons. And if they make the strategic decision to keep him, then I root for the TEAM as a Texans fan. Same with Manziel should they decide to draft him.

But, I can only speak for one fan. The rest of this city is going to have a mental aneurysm if it happens.
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Meltdown if they keep him, eh not so much as if they start him...It would be stupid money wise to keep him...

If he takes a huge pay cut and becomes the backup to whom ever, so be it. You would have a pretty good backup QB.

As the starter, there would be riots in the street....
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
I'm reading where Chronicle reporting Schaub returns "next season."

Not accurate. I'm saying he remains on team for now!

I wrote Schaub could be cut later, including before season. They won't carry his $10 mil salary next season. No reason to cut him now.
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BullNation4Life said:
Meltdown if they keep him, eh not so much as if they start him...It would be stupid money wise to keep him...

If he takes a huge pay cut and becomes the backup to whom ever, so be it. You would have a pretty good backup QB.

As the starter, there would be riots in the street....
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I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

Anyone who riots, or uses violence in any way because the QB they want is not starting should be rounded up and forced to watch the "Twilight" series 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for life! B!tch and moan all you want, but riots, violence? Houston does not deserve an NFL franchise if this even comes close to being reality.

Playoffs said:
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
I wrote Schaub could be cut later, including before season. They won't carry his $10 mil salary next season. No reason to cut him now.
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No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!

I would like to believe all of this means that they are going to start him for one more season at this point. Many of you have given your reasons why they won't cut him until last minute, but I think if they believed as many of you do, (washed up, noodle arm, shell shocked, horrible) they would have cut him already, but then Newton is still on the team also, so I have no idea wtf is going on.

Classless move if they rob him of a chance to start elsewhere by holding onto him to long.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Meltdown if they keep him, eh not so much as if they start him...It would be stupid money wise to keep him...

If he takes a huge pay cut and becomes the backup to whom ever, so be it. You would have a pretty good backup QB.

As the starter, there would be riots in the street....
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Say the Texans aren't sold on any of the QBs this year and maybe want to take someone in the second or later. It's a plausible situation that OB doesn't see the QB of the future in the first (and I don't think ANY of us here want him to reach for someone he's not sold on).

Suddenly, you need a veteran QB who has some experience and isn't a complete scrub...he's going to cost about the same amount that cutting Schaub will save us, right? And, isn't Schaub a veteran QB? Some might argue he's a complete scrub at this point in his career, but I'll leave that up to OB to decide, I'm good either way.

Of course...that's all assuming no QB in the first.
 
Nitrofish said:
No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!
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Not at all if they are fielding any kind of interest in a potential trade.

buddyboy said:
Of course...that's all assuming no QB in the first.
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No it applies to QB in the first as well if they don't want to have to start him game 1.
 
_King_ said:
Any chance the browns and raiders are in a bidding war for Schaub?
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I'm thinking...
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http://youtu.be/QKGBB22nsZQ?t=1m40s
 
Nitrofish said:
No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!
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Or they haven't made up their mind that they don't want him


Or Schaub has given them reason to believe he is open to a pay cut.


Or..... & it's hard for me (not a hater) to believe, they want him to start.
 
Nitrofish said:
I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

Anyone who riots, or uses violence in any way because the QB they want is not starting should be rounded up and forced to watch the "Twilight" series 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for life! B!tch and moan all you want, but riots, violence? Houston does not deserve an NFL franchise if this even comes close to being reality.



No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!

I would like to believe all of this means that they are going to start him for one more season at this point. Many of you have given your reasons why they won't cut him until last minute, but I think if they believed as many of you do, (washed up, noodle arm, shell shocked, horrible) they would have cut him already, but then Newton is still on the team also, so I have no idea wtf is going on.

Classless move if they rob him of a chance to start elsewhere by holding onto him to long.
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Why do you get so concerned with feelings and loyalty? You were crying when they parted ways with Kubiak when they did and now you're crying if they hold onto Schaub too long? Both got paid millions of dollars and both sucked horribly last year. This team has been overly loyal to too many people so I would be glad to see them finally get over that.
 
Nitrofish said:
I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

Anyone who riots, or uses violence in any way because the QB they want is not starting should be rounded up and forced to watch the "Twilight" series 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for life! B!tch and moan all you want, but riots, violence? Houston does not deserve an NFL franchise if this even comes close to being reality.
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You know what....

nevermind, not even worth the time...
 
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Nitrofish said:
I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

Anyone who riots, or uses violence in any way because the QB they want is not starting should be rounded up and forced to watch the "Twilight" series 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for life! B!tch and moan all you want, but riots, violence? Houston does not deserve an NFL franchise if this even comes close to being reality.
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"Riots in the streets" is a figure of speech. :kubepalm:
 
infantrycak said:
Not at all if they are fielding any kind of interest in a potential trade.



No it applies to QB in the first as well if they don't want to have to start him game 1.
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cak, you'd really draft a QB with the first overall pick of the draft and have him sit? Sink or swim, with a QB taken that highly, he's GOT to start on day 1, right?
 
buddyboy said:
cak, you'd really draft a QB with the first overall pick of the draft and have him sit? Sink or swim, with a QB taken that highly, he's GOT to start on day 1, right?
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Oilers did it with McNair. He wasn't the #1 overall but #3 is close enough....

I would sit him if the o-line still needed work to protect the investment...

otherwise it is David Ca....HWSNBN all over again...
 
buddyboy said:
cak, you'd really draft a QB with the first overall pick of the draft and have him sit? Sink or swim, with a QB taken that highly, he's GOT to start on day 1, right?
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I think it would be a good idea with 2 if not all 3 of the top 3 QBs this year. Not saying the Texans share my opinion.
 
infantrycak said:
I think it would be a good idea with 2 if not all 3 of the top 3 QBs this year. Not saying the Texans share my opinion.
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That's interesting. I agree it would likely be beneficial for a young QB to sit behind an established QB and learn before being throw into the fire, but when does that happen in the NFL? I can't recall any situations where a QB was taken in the top 10-15 picks and didn't start immediately.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Why do you get so concerned with feelings and loyalty? You were crying when they parted ways with Kubiak when they did and now you're crying if they hold onto Schaub too long? Both got paid millions of dollars and both sucked horribly last year. This team has been overly loyal to too many people so I would be glad to see them finally get over that.
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Why are you so infatuated with the word suck, or sucked? Never mind don't answer that. Where did I say anything about feelings, or loyalty? See, you seem to like to add things that were never said, nor inferred. So if you get paid millions of dollars it's ok to treat someone with no respect when you are done with them? Nice corporate attitude there dude.

Business is business, but you don't screw someone over you are letting go out of starting job because it helps you keep your cards close to your vest on acquiring a new employee. Especially if that employee worked for you for 7 years and dragged your sorry a$$ed company out of the gutter. If that is the way you do business, I'm glad I am not doing business with you.
 
buddyboy said:
That's interesting. I agree it would likely be beneficial for a young QB to sit behind an established QB and learn before being throw into the fire, but when does that happen in the NFL? I can't recall any situations where a QB was taken in the top 10-15 picks and didn't start immediately.
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Big Ben springs to mind.

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During Texans' existence top 15 pick QBs who did not start game 1:

Byron Leftwich
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Alex Smith
Jay Cutler
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
JaMarcus Russell
Christian Ponder
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker
 
Nitrofish said:
Why are you so infatuated with the word suck, or sucked? Never mind don't answer that. Where did I say anything about feelings, or loyalty? See, you seem to like to add things that were never said, nor inferred. So if you get paid millions of dollars it's ok to treat someone with no respect when you are done with them? Nice corporate attitude there dude.

Business is business, but you don't screw someone over you are letting go out of starting job because it helps you keep your cards close to your vest on acquiring a new employee. Especially if that employee worked for you for 7 years and dragged your sorry a$$ed company out of the gutter. If that is the way you do business, I'm glad I am not doing business with you.
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Didn't realize that I say "suck" a lot but when it comes to Kubes or Schaub, that's the first adjective that comes to mind. And if I worked at my company for 7 years and did a crappy job of it I'd expect to be let go and wouldn't have hard feelings and cry about it. Schaub dragged us out of the gutter? More like took us out of the gutter, left us on the sidewalk, then finally took us to the front yard and then lit us on fire and pissed on the ashes. I have no loyalty to Schaub or Kubes, they both SUCKED and currently do SUCK and I wish they would both never have anything to do with football in my city again.
 
infantrycak said:
I think it would be a good idea with 2 if not all 3 of the top 3 QBs this year. Not saying the Texans share my opinion.
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Seems as though they may as the days go by and Matty-Pick-6 is still on the roster. The longer this strings along has me thinking they've got something up their sleeve.

I guess I'm not a REAL FAN since I feel this situation being drug out is intriguing with the different directions it could take at any time.
 
You know how it is when you're getting ready to go home for the weekend.... you've got 20 minutes left. You're watching the clock & every minute seems like an hour?

That's what this is like.
 
Nitrofish said:
But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!
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So the Texans suck because they fired Kubiak before the end of the season (giving him extra time to look for a job), but also suck because they're holding on to Schaub a few extra days to see if he can bring value in a trade? That makes a lot of sense.

I do laugh at the notion of Schaub having trade value. Maybe they'll get that 2016 7th rounder they covet? Absurd. Just cut the guy and move on. Nobody, but nobody, believes Schaub will play QB for the Texans next year.
 
Lucky said:
So the Texans suck because they fired Kubiak before the end of the season (giving him extra time to look for a job), but also suck because they're holding on to Schaub a few extra days to see if he can bring value in a trade? That makes a lot of sense.

I do laugh at the notion of Schaub having trade value. Maybe they'll get that 2016 7th rounder they covet? Absurd. Just cut the guy and move on. Nobody, but nobody, believes Schaub will play QB for the Texans next year.
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I believed that too a couple days ago. After seeing what the crap QB free agent class is getting paid and Gabbert go for a 6th rounder I am not so sure now.
 
DX-TEX said:
I believed that too a couple days ago. After seeing what the crap QB free agent class is getting paid and Gabbert go for a 6th rounder I am not so sure now.
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The "crap" FA QBs are getting $5 million/year. Gabbert has a $2 million salary. Schaub is set to make $10 million in 2014, plus $625k in roster bonuses, on his current contract. That contract is not tradeable, without a wink-wink deal that Schaub will renegotiate. And why would he, when he could just wait until he's cut and sign with whomever will give him the best opportunity?
 
Lucky said:
So the Texans suck because they fired Kubiak before the end of the season (giving him extra time to look for a job), but also suck because they're holding on to Schaub a few extra days to see if he can bring value in a trade? That makes a lot of sense.

I do laugh at the notion of Schaub having trade value. Maybe they'll get that 2016 7th rounder they covet? Absurd. Just cut the guy and move on. Nobody, but nobody, believes Schaub will play QB for the Texans next year.
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I firmly believe that reason Kubiak was fired after the Jags loss was because he pulled Keenum and played Schaub. That didn't sit well with McNair. Bob stewed about it on the long flight home (as he told us). Exacted his displeasure and decision the next morning. Then McNair informed all listening that Case Keenum was the starting QB for Houston Texans.

I agree with your assessment of Schaub. I don't know of any team who would want to take over Schaub's 3 year contract with a 2014 salary of $10 million. After the Texans CUT Schaub his best offer maybe between $2-$3 million.
 
buddyboy said:
cak, you'd really draft a QB with the first overall pick of the draft and have him sit? Sink or swim, with a QB taken that highly, he's GOT to start on day 1, right?
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Only QB in this class I think could be day one ready is Bridgewater, Bortles is up in air still. Manziel def, but I think if he goes to Browns or Raiders likely will be day one.

I just find it really hard to believe Matt Schaub will be,here in Houston barring cut and or a massive paycut. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense with his contract; which makes him untradeable.

Though, i've decided Nitro is really Marshall Faulk.
 
Lucky said:
The "crap" FA QBs are getting $5 million/year. Gabbert has a $2 million salary. Schaub is set to make $10 million in 2014, plus $625k in roster bonuses, on his current contract. That contract is not tradeable, without a wink-wink deal that Schaub will renegotiate. And why would he, when he could just wait until he's cut and sign with whomever will give him the best opportunity?
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Overpaid ****. The Raiders are in an odd situation. they like Schaub, it has leaked they want him and now they are in danger of not hitting the cap floor. Perfect storm.
 
DX-TEX said:
Overpaid ****. The Raiders are in an odd situation. they like Schaub, it has leaked they want him and now they are in danger of not hitting the cap floor. Perfect storm.
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The Raiders are an odd situation. For sure. Have been for years. But, they won't pay Matt Schaub $10 million.
 
Texian said:
I agree with your assessment of Schaub. I don't know of any team who would want to take over Schaub's 3 year contract with a 2014 salary of $10 million. After the Texans CUT Schaub his best offer maybe between $2-$3 million.
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I can see another team restructuring Schaub's deal. Turn the $10M into a roster bonus, pay him a $5M salary to do so. He pockets $15M for this season alone.

If they decide to cut him, they'll have to eat $6.6M in dead money, as a June 1st cut that would be $3.3M in 2015 & $3.3M in 2016.

If he kicks butt & wins their starting job, he'll have a $15.8M cap hit in 2015 & $17.8M in 2016... or something like that.
 
thunderkyss said:
I can see another team restructuring Schaub's deal. Turn the $10M into a roster bonus, pay him a $5M salary to do so. He pockets $15M for this season alone.

If they decide to cut him, they'll have to eat $6.6M in dead money, as a June 1st cut that would be $3.3M in 2015 & $3.3M in 2016.

If he kicks butt & wins their starting job, he'll have a $15.8M cap hit in 2015 & $17.8M in 2016... or something like that.
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Man if you're gonna dream, dream BIG. Turn $5Mill into bonus and a $5Mill salary. Take it or leave it.
 
drs23 said:
Man if you're gonna dream, dream BIG. Turn $5Mill into bonus and a $5Mill salary. Take it or leave it.
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Well when you come up with scenarios for why a team might want to trade for Matt & his contract, you've got to come up with something that will be a win for both sides. As an internet/recliner GM, we call those "win/win" situations.

Matt is only scheduled to make $10M this season. If Oakland trades for him, they need to offer an incentive for him to renegotiate. Since both Cassell & McCown signed two year $10M deals, I'm thinking an extra $5M will persuade Schaub to go with Oakland & not chase a comparable deal......

Anything with "take it or leave it" will most likely result in him being a Texan until June 1st, maybe longer. We won't get a draft pick for him... which is why we want to find scenarios in which Matt would be open to renegotiating & being traded.
 
Nitrofish said:
I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!

Classless move if they rob him of a chance to start elsewhere by holding onto him to long.
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Don't call someone else out for being ridiculous and then put complete nonsense in the rest of your post. Teams don't lock down their starting lineup in the middle of March. If a better player is available later, they will make him the starter. So if Schaub is available next week or next month or in June, if he is better than a team's starter he will beat out the other guy. If Schaub is available immediately and a team signs him, they may be projecting him as the starter but that's not a guarantee (see Seahawks & Matt Flynn).

So you think the Texans pulled a d!ck move by keeping Kubiak too long??? Or you are one of the folks here who hate everything about the Texans and will spin anything they do into a d!ck move. Personally I would rather they do what is in the best interest of the team, which at times does require some d!ck moves, although Kubiak and Schaub don't fall into that category.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they decide to cut him, they'll have to eat $6.6M in dead money, as a June 1st cut that would be $3.3M in 2015 & $3.3M in 2016.
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Schaub designated as a June 1 cut = June 2, 2014 $3.5 mil Dead Money; 2015 = $7 million in Dead Money. There is no 2016.
 
Texian said:
Schaub designated as a June 1 cut = June 2, 2014 $3.5 mil Dead Money; 2015 = $7 million in Dead Money. There is no 2016.
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He is talking about if Schaub plays 2014 under a restructured version of his current contract and then is released next offseason.

So Schaub designated as a June 1, 2015 cut = June 2, 2015 $3.5 mil dead money; 2016 = $3.5 million in dead money.

Why he is randomly off on moving $3.5 to $3.3 is a mystery however.
 
Texian said:
Schaub designated as a June 1 cut = June 2, 2014 $3.5 mil Dead Money; 2015 = $7 million in Dead Money. There is no 2016.
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In that totally fictitious scenario, with the Raiders attempting to renegotiate Schaub's salary, he'll play 2014, then possibly cut in 2015. With the fictitious $10M signing bonus divided by 3 years, they would be on the hook for $3.3M in 2015 & 2016 if they designate him a June 1, 2015 cut.
 
Watching fans on this board grouse about Schaub and his current status as a Texan is pretty funny to me. Even if the worst happens and he has to start in 2014 (something I doubt happens, but stranger things have been done in the NFL) I doubt he's going to throw a pick six in every game until benched.

He was pretty good for a few years and looked great before Albert Haynesworth ruined everything for him. Him having a Pennington-esque bounce back year isn't completely out of the question.

Still, I would RATHER have somebody like Bridgewater or Manziel be the QB week 1 2014 but I'm not so blinded by rage and uh whatever emotions you guys are having over Schaub that I wouldn't watch Texans football next year.
 
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