All Encompassing Case Keenum Thread

[WolverineFan]

Keenum wasn't really off on that last drive. He had two guys drop passes they could have caught.

Unless I'm thinking about a different drive.

I'm thinking about the drive at the end where we went for it on 4th & 13. He got a first down, which was a good start, but you have to finish. Then we lost 3 on a run. On 2nd & 13 he throws high to Hopkins, it was catchable but defender raked it out (should have been a defensive holding). On 3rd & 13 he missed Graham badly and the pass was almost picked. On 4th & 13 he took a sack. He got immediately pressured on 4th down, which is not his fault, but you have to get the ball out in that situation. He tried to make a play in the pocket to get away when he should have just heaved one to Dre or Hopkins. Not ideal at all, but you absolutely cannot take a sack on that 4th down.

 

[legacy_gt]

keenum played great today. matter of fact, he had a few significant throws that the receivers didn't make.

it's on the defense to give up 34pts.

last week, keenum wasn't good. There was a lot of improvement.

 

[GlenRice]

case showed MUCH improvement today......still think a qb is needed if for nothing else, competition.

so let's draft a QB for competition and miss a chance to draft an all pro defensive player. I say let Keenum play one more season and if that doesn't pan out draft a QB in 2015

 

[legacy_gt]

..Not ideal at all, but you absolutely cannot take a sack on that 4th down.

and andre the great can't miss a perfect throw to him either. 31pts to a 1st place patriots team that destroyed us with schaub last year isn't bad at all.

 

[amazing80]

so let's draft a QB for competition and miss chance to draft all pro defensive player. I say let Keenum play one more season and if that doesn't pan out draft a QB in 2015

did i say to draft one number 1 overall, no I didn't.....

 

[JCTexan]

I'm left wondering where exactly Keenum would rank among other young QB's in the NFL. Is he that much worse than Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill or Mike Glennon right now?

so let's draft a QB for competition and miss a chance to draft an all pro defensive player. I say let Keenum play one more season and if that doesn't pan out draft a QB in 2015

Considering there's not an elite QB in this draft class, I think I would take Derek Carr, Blake Bortles or Tajh Boyd in the 2nd round to compete with Keenum.

 

[WolverineFan]

and andre the great can't miss a perfect throw to him either. 31pts to a 1st place patriots team that destroyed us with schaub last year isn't bad at all.

I'm not absolving anyone on offense. Just saying that Keenum needs to get better on these "final drive" situations.

And, as already pointed out in this thread, the Pats were starting 5 rookies on defense and were missing 3 of their best defensive players. I'm not trying to diminish how the offense performed today, but let's keep things in context and not compare it to last year.

It was a step in the right direction for the offense.

 

[WolverineFan]

Considering there's not an elite QB in this draft class, I think I would take Derek Carr, Blake Bortles or Tajh Boyd in the 2nd round to compete with Keenum.

Carr will be gone in the 1st and Bortles is 90% likely to go back for his senior season. Boyd will likely be available because questions about his size and his struggles against elite competition.

I don't see why guys are so adamant about taking a 2nd or 3rd round QB instead of a 1st rounder though. Sure, there is no Luck this year, but the talent level still decreases as the rounds go on. More than likely the guy you take in the 1st is going to be superior than the guy you take in the 2nd or 3rd.

It's almost like people want to draft a not as talented prospect to battle with Keenum next year in hopes that he will keep the job and not be beat out by a better player.

 

[tvaughan]

It's almost like people want to draft a not as talented prospect to battle with Keenum next year in hopes that he will keep the job and not be beat out by a better player.

I can only speak for myself, but the reason I'd rather take a QB in later round is my belief that if we don't get the QB some help it won't matter who is taking the snaps.

There are 4 games left, so I may change my mind, but I see QB as a need, not our BIGGEST need. I think if we drafted a QB and he played like Keenum has in his first six games, we would be reasonably happy.

 

[JCTexan]

Carr will be gone in the 1st and Bortles is 90% likely to go back for his senior season. Boyd will likely be available because questions about his size and his struggles against elite competition.

I don't see why guys are so adamant about taking a 2nd or 3rd round QB instead of a 1st rounder though. Sure, there is no Luck this year, but the talent level still decreases as the rounds go on. More than likely the guy you take in the 1st is going to be superior than the guy you take in the 2nd or 3rd.

It's almost like people want to draft a not as talented prospect to battle with Keenum next year in hopes that he will keep the job and not be beat out by a better player.

Not my line of thought at all. I'm just not sold on any of the #1 pick candidates: Bridgewater reminds me a bit of Vince Young. He seems to lob his passes. Manziel doesn't look like much of an upgrade over Keenum to me. He can makes plays scrambling in college but he throws way too many jump balls for my liking. I think I would still rather the Texans trade back and take a Carr/Bortles type than to take either Bridgewater or Manziel.

 

[legacy_gt]

I'm not absolving anyone on offense. Just saying that Keenum needs to get better on these "final drive" situations.

And, as already pointed out in this thread, the Pats were starting 5 rookies on defense and were missing 3 of their best defensive players. I'm not trying to diminish how the offense performed today, but let's keep things in context and not compare it to last year.

It was a step in the right direction for the offense.

keenum does need to improve on the final drive. but to talk about our offense without talking about our defense either isn't accurate.

the other team isn't going to hear excuses with all our starters and injuries either.

 

[WolverineFan]

keenum does need to improve on the final drive. but to talk about our offense without talking about our defense either isn't accurate.

the other team isn't going to hear excuses with all our starters and injuries either.

Very fair point. I'm not absolving the defense at all today. They were awful and primarily the reason we lost. I was merely pointing out that guys kept up bringing up the 31 pts we scored, which is fine, but let's be completely honest about it and admit that it was basically against NE's backup defense.

 

[legacy_gt]

Very fair point. I'm not absolving the defense at all today. They were awful and primarily the reason we lost. I was merely pointing out that guys kept up bringing up the 31 pts we scored, which is fine, but let's be completely honest about it and admit that it was basically against NE's backup defense.

and we scored 31 with our 3rd string, 6 game, UD, QB who's 5"11.
didn't think coach bill is buying it either...

 

[deucetx]

Very fair point. I'm not absolving the defense at all today. They were awful and primarily the reason we lost. I was merely pointing out that guys kept up bringing up the 31 pts we scored, which is fine, but let's be completely honest about it and admit that it was basically against NE's backup defense.

Kind of poor reasoning. If that was the case, the same can be said about their offense scoring on ours. They were missing their 2 DT's and Mayo. Three people doesn't equal their entire 2nd string defense. And since we are talking about Keenum we're talking secondary and their starting secondary was out there. Let's not exaggerate. This is the NFL and you have injuries all the time. Who you play against is who you play against. Let's not over analyze it.

 

[WolverineFan]

Kind of poor reasoning. If that was the case, the same can be said about their offense scoring on ours. They were missing their 2 DT's and Mayo. Three people doesn't equal their entire 2nd string defense. And since we are talking about Keenum we're talking secondary and their starting secondary was out there. Let's not exaggerate. This is the NFL and you have injuries all the time. Who you play against is who you play against. Let's not over analyze it.

They were missing starting SS Adrian Wilson and starting CB Alfonzo Dennard in the secondary. That affects Keenum.

They were missing DT Vince Wilfork, DT Tommy Kelly, and LB Jerod Mayo in the front seven. That hurts their push up front and their run defense. That affects Keenum.

I don't think I'm over analyzing. We scored 31 points against a bad defense. That's what we're supposed to do. Keenum played well, which I have stated, but let's keep things in perspective and not overstate it by pretending we just dropped 31 on a full strength, playoff primed Pats defense.

 

[bah007]

Keenum played well today. One of his better outings.

He is a very polarizing figure due to where he went to college and his underdog status as an undrafted, undersized player.

But what I have learned in this thread is that the Keenum haters will take every opportunity to hate on him, no matter what. And the Keenum lovers will take every opportunity to prop him up or make excuses, no matter what. Nobody is changing anybody else's mind in this thread. I just hope that our next regime can make the best choice for the team going forward.

 

[tvaughan]

let's be completely honest about it and admit that it was basically against NE's backup defense.

This is tough territory to get into. You're going to take points off for this but not the fact that our RG is weak and our RT is horrible? Our #2 WR is a rookie. You're not going to take into account it's Case's 6th game and he's never even had a camp as a starter? The dropped passes? Our starting RB on IR?

It seems you only want to account for factors that might diminish Case's performance but not those that might make it more accomplished.

It seems to me it's best to judge him straight-up. He played horrible last week. He played well this week. 4 games left to make a decision on a draft strategy.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

You heard wrong.

I don't think he had any more than Brady did.

Thanks guys, I like the radio guys but there is nothing like seeing it with your own eyes.

Favourite thing for me out of today's performance, was that his YPA was back up again.

 

[WolverineFan]

This is tough territory to get into. You're going to take points off for this but not the fact that our RG is weak and our RT is horrible? Our #2 WR is a rookie. You're not going to take into account it's Case's 6th game and he's never even had a camp as a starter? The dropped passes? Our starting RB on IR?

It seems you only want to account for factors that might diminish Case's performance but not those that might make it more accomplished.

It seems to me it's best to judge him straight-up. He played horrible last week. He played well this week. 4 games left to make a decision on a draft strategy.

Who says I'm not taking those things into account? I don't state those things because we're all aware of them and acknowledge them.

I was originally responding to someone who dropped the "31 points on the Pats" line. I was just trying to keep things in perspective for those who were not aware or were not acknowledging the deficiencies with the Pats defense.

I already stated that I thought Keenum played well. I'm not here attempting to diminish Case's performance. I'm here to add some perspective to it.

 

[Rey]

Thanks guys, I like the radio guys but there is nothing like seeing it with your own eyes.

Favourite thing for me out of today's performance, was that his YPA was back up again.

Were you listening to vandameer and ware?

Just curious.

 

[bah007]

I also think that it's no coincidence that Keenum had a good game on a day where we got the running game going, which I think is something that neither side of the Keenum debate has really thought about too hard.

When we run the ball well, it makes things easier for the QB.

When we don't run well, it makes his job tougher.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

I'm left wondering where exactly Keenum would rank among other young QB's in the NFL. Is he that much worse than Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill or Mike Glennon right now?

.

Football Outsiders ranks him 25th. LINK

Old fashioned Rating has him 13th according to ESPN.

New fangled QBR has him 29th according to another ESPN page.

Bleacher Report QB Power rankings have him 20th (yes that one there is as a joke LINK)

Ultimately the thing looking at his stats that is really killing him is his LOW completion %.

Is that something that gets better with experience, or is that lack of accuracy?

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Were you listening to vandameer and ware?

Just curious.

Yeah, those were the guys.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

I also think that it's no coincidence that Keenum had a good game on a day where we got the running game going, which I think is something that neither side of the Keenum debate has really thought about too hard.

When we run the ball well, it makes things easier for the QB.

When we don't run well, it makes his job tougher.

Which is why the Colts traded for Trent Richardson 3.0.

His addition has allowed Luck to shine.




Stupid Colts.

 

[legacy_gt]

. And the Keenum lovers will take every opportunity to prop him up or make excuses, no matter what.

I didn't really see much props last week when case struggled. I read a lot of people saying we just suck as a team.

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

I understand the frustration of loosing so many games this season as we expected strong showing of the Texans this year. Having said that, I think we need to be patient with Case development. He showed some of good and bad as you expect from rook. I am not saying Case will be an answer for our QB position but, you need experience to improve. Many of us tends to compare the best moment of their lives or memory. Like when you play golf, you hit a wonderful drive from tee on par 4 and you second shot remains to green is say 150 yds. You pull out your 9 iron for a full swing shot as you remember your full swing shot can get there dead on to the green. So, you pull out your 9 iron and take a full swing and often ended up missing green. After the shot, you think yourself why didn't I pull 8 iron and take 2/3 swing (which is much less risk of making mistakes) to the green?

What I am saying is that people tends to compare with their best memory( In this case, QB). I don't think we can compare to Case to Brady, Manning, Luck or whomever. I just need to see in my own eyes how Case may develop as NFL QB. With our current status, I would like to see more of Case as a starter and see what he is or not capable of.

Go Texans!!!

 

[gtexan02]

I think Case could be a serviceable QB or maybe a really high end backup. Do I think he's your franchise guy who is going to anchor our team for the next 10 years? I just don't see it.
His accuracy is a major problem right now

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Football Outsiders ranks him 25th. LINK

Old fashioned Rating has him 13th according to ESPN.

New fangled QBR has him 29th according to another ESPN page.

Bleacher Report QB Power rankings have him 20th (yes that one there is as a joke LINK)

Ultimately the thing looking at his stats that is really killing him is his LOW completion %.

Is that something that gets better with experience, or is that lack of accuracy?

Lack of time for gaining intuitive experience with his receivers........and with his OL also.

 

[badboy]

Quisenberry suffered a foot fracture which the Texans did not characterize, nor have they identified whether it required surgery or not. If it was a simple metatarsal fracture without ligament injury, he has at least 90% chance of return without loss of overall performance. If it involves multiple fractures, ankle involvement or significant ligament damage, it could be a long term problem which may put both his performance and longevity in question.

Brennan Williams' health was always been an issue for Williams at North Carolina and it came to Houston in another form. The fact that he had microfracture surgery means that injury was not secondary to a recent preseason injury..........it was a chronic injury which had to be sustained at least back in his college years. It guarantees that there is already significant cartilage loss and boney arthritis in that knee. I would be very guarded as to his ability to return to anything close to pre-surgery expectations.

Doc please clarify what you mean saying Brennan's health was always issue at NC. I am aware only of the torn labrum ending his senior year four games early. That was reportedly healed prior to his knee injury that occurred with Texans.

http://www.enterprisenews.com/answe...sident-Brennan-Williams-has-NFL-in-his-sights

 

[TheDrifter]

It's almost like people want to draft a not as talented prospect to battle with Keenum next year in hopes that he will keep the job and not be beat out by a better player.

Not at all.

Best player available. Especially if the other choice is to reach for QB in round one. I'd hate to hitch our wagon to another David Carr for a few more wasted years.

 

[leebigeztx]

Carr will be gone in the 1st and Bortles is 90% likely to go back for his senior season. Boyd will likely be available because questions about his size and his struggles against elite competition.

I don't see why guys are so adamant about taking a 2nd or 3rd round QB instead of a 1st rounder though. Sure, there is no Luck this year, but the talent level still decreases as the rounds go on. More than likely the guy you take in the 1st is going to be superior than the guy you take in the 2nd or 3rd.

It's almost like people want to draft a not as talented prospect to battle with Keenum next year in hopes that he will keep the job and not be beat out by a better player.

So when every draft consensus says bridgewater is the best prospect in the draft,but he's not as talented as a udfa? Ok,keep believing that. The texans pass on bridgewater,they will not beat the colts for the division unless he gets hurt. Just like manning when he was here,its a wrap. There is a reason the ravens couldn't win the division with big ben until flacco was drafted.

 

[Mr teX]

As i've said in numerous posts already, im cautiously optimistic about Case, but i'm not expecting much more outta him going forward at this point....i just dont see anything that screams "franchise guy". I feel pretty confident in saying now that i think he's just a solid back up.....which is pretty much what i thought he was from the beginning....it'd be great if he proved me wrong..i hope he does.....i just dont think he will.

He looked ok today...better than he'd looked the previous 3 games..but when it came down to it, he still had issues with the blitz...that's what NE started doing to him late when they needed to make something happen on defense...he didnt handle it all that great either.

Moreover, i attribute most of his success in the air to us being able to run the ball well today.....which was the case with schaub/yates as well.....

 

[WolverineFan]

So when every draft consensus says bridgewater is the best prospect in the draft,but he's not as talented as a udfa? Ok,keep believing that. The texans pass on bridgewater,they will not beat the colts for the division unless he gets hurt. Just like manning when he was here,its a wrap. There is a reason the ravens couldn't win the division with big ben until flacco was drafted.

Not sure where you're going with this. I've been one of the biggest proponents for Bridgewater on this board.

 

[Tolar's Ghost]

..If you don't want to read a long post then skip it.

I disagree with most of what he said but the length of the post was not a problem.

Changing paragraphs, and putting a line of white space between them, are great ways to make a post easier to sift through.

 

[TejasTom]

It was hard to tell at the game because of the lack of replays.

There were quite a few incompletions to Garrett Graham. Were the throws bad throws, drops, great defensive plays, bad decisions?

 

[eriadoc]

It was hard to tell at the game because of the lack of replays.

There were quite a few incompletions to Garrett Graham. Were the throws bad throws, drops, great defensive plays, bad decisions?

Mostly on Graham. He had a bad game, perhaps his worst, IMO. A couple were completely on Keenum.

 

[fmdog44]

Not one single person on this website would know the answer to "who is Tom Brady"? if fate had not crossed his path. Johnny Unitas was a bum that no one wanted. It can happen and it does happen.

 

[Mr teX]

Not one single person on this website would know the answer to "who is Tom Brady"? if fate had not crossed his path. Johnny Unitas was a bum that no one wanted. It can happen and it does happen.

Brady came off the bench & led his team to the SB.... & has since been to 4 more. If we are to compare someone on our roster who that profile best fits...it's TJ Yates...(3rd string guy who comes off the bench & leds us to the playoffs)..not Keenum...who for all his best intentions, hasn't even been able to lead us to a single damn win yet....apart from that, it's Apples and Oranges..exception not the rule etc..etc.

Unitas...that was a completely different era..lots of guys went undrafted for many different reasons...Hell even those who were drafted in like the 20th round may as well have been undrafted.

Apart from that....Don Shula, Bill Belichick...Gary Kubiak....1 of these doesn't belong.

 

[eriadoc]

Brady came off the bench & led his team to the SB....

No. He didn't. Go look at his numbers. That team led him to the Super Bowl. He had a few games (some of which were losses), but he had games where he turned the ball over and the team won despite him. Keenum has had games where he's scored TDs and not turned the ball over and yet the team hasn't won.

Too much credit and blame is assigned to the QB. Rex Grossman "led" the Bears to the Super Bowl much moreso than Brady "led" the Pats that first year. It's a BS myth that's been perpetuated because Brady became a good QB. But he became a good QB because he was given reps. It wasn't instantaneous, and he did not play especially well early on.

 

[Seegara]

As i've said in numerous posts already, im cautiously optimistic about Case, but i'm not expecting much more outta him going forward at this point....i just dont see anything that screams "franchise guy". I feel pretty confident in saying now that i think he's just a solid back up.....which is pretty much what i thought he was from the beginning....it'd be great if he proved me wrong..i hope he does.....i just dont think he will.

He looked ok today...better than he'd looked the previous 3 games..but when it came down to it, he still had issues with the blitz...that's what NE started doing to him late when they needed to make something happen on defense...he didnt handle it all that great either.

Moreover, i attribute most of his success in the air to us being able to run the ball well today.....which was the case with schaub/yates as well.....

^Every point here is right on target. We must draft a QB first and keep Case as a capable backup. After the 1st pick we must repair the offensive line as the next priority.

 

[TEXANRED]

Well I personally have seen enough of Keenum to know he is not a starting caliber QB for an NFL team. He does great in the beginning of games but in pressure situation he crumbles. He is not a finisher. He is an up grade to TJ Yates and makes a nice home town story but I am ready to move on.

Bring on Bridgewater.

 

[76Texan]

It was hard to tell at the game because of the lack of replays.

There were quite a few incompletions to Garrett Graham. Were the throws bad throws, drops, great defensive plays, bad decisions?

The first drive was stopped when Dennis Johnson couldn't pull in the ball;
I guess he's not a receiver so he's not used to jump for the ball; he was trying to reach for it.

First incompletion to Graham; Graham was "lazy"; he thought he could bring the ball in with one hand, and turned to run before securing the ball.

The second one is right on the money as well, Graham had both hands on the ball, but he dropped it as to how LB disrupted his focus.

The third one, Spikes tipped the ball away.
The throw should be a little higher; perhaps Keenum wanted to throw it a bit too much on a line. Graham was open in the zone.

The fourth one, Keenum was pressured. He got the ball there alright, but Talib dove to break up the passes.

The Texans scored 2TDs and a FG after those so it wasn't a big deal.

In the second half, they have sent a blitz, Keenum simply threw the first pass away.
Tate couldn't convert on third and one to kill that drive.

The Texans scored on the next two drives.

In the fourth, Keenum made a great throw on the run.
Graham caught it with both hands, but couldn't hold on to it as he went to the ground. It was an easier catch than the one Gronkowski scooped off the ground for a TD.
AJ then dropped the next easy pass.
On third and ten, Myers and Ben Jones messed up their protection on a 4-Man zone dog twist; Keenum had to throw the ball away.

On the next drive, Hopkins was held but there was no call, the ball was right there.
On third and 13, it seems there was a miscommunication.
Graham cut the out route short of the marker, while Keenum went over Graham's head, past the marker,along the left side line.
The Texans burned a precious time-out here.
On fourth down, Ben Jones and Myers messed up again, Keenum did all he can just to throw the ball away.

With 7 seconds left, from the Texans 5, Keenum threw a ball just high over Graham.
The last incompletion was a hail-Mary.

 

[76Texan]

Brady came off the bench & led his team to the SB.... & has since been to 4 more. If we are to compare someone on our roster who that profile best fits...it's TJ Yates...(3rd string guy who comes off the bench & leds us to the playoffs)..not Keenum...who for all his best intentions, hasn't even been able to lead us to a single damn win yet....apart from that, it's Apples and Oranges..exception not the rule etc..etc.

Unitas...that was a completely different era..lots of guys went undrafted for many different reasons...Hell even those who were drafted in like the 20th round may as well have been undrafted.

Apart from that....Don Shula, Bill Belichick...Gary Kubiak....1 of these doesn't belong.

Eli Manning lost his first six games.
Dan Fouts went winless for seven.
Moon recorded zero win in his first ten tries.

In the meantime, no QB drafted in the first two rounds in at least the last ten years were able to put up the same numbers that Keenum did.

But I guess people would rather have VY and Tebow the Gods, LOL.

 

[TEXANRED]

Eli Manning lost his first six games.
Dan Fouts went winless for seven.
Moon recorded zero win in his first ten tries.

In the meantime, no QB drafted in the first two rounds in at least the last ten years were able to put up the same numbers that Keenum did.

But I guess people would rather have VY and Tebow the Gods, LOL.

Keenum is not in the same conversation as the QB's you mentioned. That would be like comparing a Pinto to a Corvette. keenum is not the same class of QB.

 

[WolverineFan]

Too much credit and blame is assigned to the QB. Rex Grossman "led" the Bears to the Super Bowl much moreso than Brady "led" the Pats that first year. It's a BS myth that's been perpetuated because Brady became a good QB. But he became a good QB because he was given reps. It wasn't instantaneous, and he did not play especially well early on.

The league is so much different now that it was 10 years ago. It's a QB league now. Case is at such a disadvantage compared to guys from 10-15 years ago because he is immediately in charge of carrying the team now because he's the starting Quarterback. It didn't used to be that way.

Dilfer and Grossman could manage their way to a SB by leaning on a great defense. Brady could manage a great team and make the occasional play, but he was also allowed to develop on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much so early.

QB's nowadays are thrown right into the fire.

 

[76Texan]

Carr will be gone in the 1st and Bortles is 90% likely to go back for his senior season. Boyd will likely be available because questions about his size and his struggles against elite competition.

I don't see why guys are so adamant about taking a 2nd or 3rd round QB instead of a 1st rounder though. Sure, there is no Luck this year, but the talent level still decreases as the rounds go on. More than likely the guy you take in the 1st is going to be superior than the guy you take in the 2nd or 3rd.

It's almost like people want to draft a not as talented prospect to battle with Keenum next year in hopes that he will keep the job and not be beat out by a better player.

Not necessarily.
If you look back at the draft over the last twenty years, the percentage of successful QBs is only highest at the number one overall slot (and the top two when there were two great prospects).
Even so, there were plenty of busts.

The rest of the first rounders didn't fare as well.
For the most part, there were almost always other Qbs that were not drafted in the first that ended up having better careers.

 

[corytx8]

I am sorry, but I have to let this off my chest. Case Keenum has only played 6 career games so far. 6! You guys are expecting him to be the next Jesus Christ of football with some of your expectations with the kid. Payton Manning and Tom Brady did not become the great QBs they are in their first 6 games. Drew Bree's didn't become the QB that he is until at least a couple seasons into his career.

It's the growing pains with having a rookie QB. Give him another season. I understand you guys want a Tom Brady now, but that will not happen over night with any QB. Hate to burst y'all's bubbles.

Signed



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[76Texan]

Keenum is not in the same conversation as the QB's you mentioned. That would be like comparing a Pinto to a Corvette. keenum is not the same class of QB.

Doesn't look that way through their respective first six games.

 

[76Texan]

The league is so much different now that it was 10 years ago. It's a QB league now. Case is at such a disadvantage compared to guys from 10-15 years ago because he is immediately in charge of carrying the team now because he's the starting Quarterback. It didn't used to be that way.

Dilfer and Grossman could manage their way to a SB by leaning on a great defense. Brady could manage a great team and make the occasional play, but he was also allowed to develop on a team where he wasn't asked to do too much so early.

QB's nowadays are thrown right into the fire.

See one of my posts above.
There are no recent QB with better numbers than Keenum through the first six games. They were helped by other components on the team.

 

[76Texan]

See one of my posts above.
There are no recent QB with better numbers than Keenum through the first six games. They were helped by other components on the team.

In this last game, even though Brady played a very good game, he also threw for an INT just as Keenum.

He was helped by 3 great catches.
Gronk went low for a TD, Amendola stretched to the max for another great catch.
There was another one that skips my memory at the moment.
The Texans did not have any great catches that bailed out the QB, only drops that hurt the cause.