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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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Seriously, if AJ doesn't show up for this weeks "mandatory" mini-camp, he's not rapidly approaching persona non grata status for you ?
He remains our best WR, but he's no mental giant and without knowing the new system which he's missed learning because of his own decision to not attend any of the summer OTAs, he'll be way behind everybody else and not being a quick study he will struggle to catch up. Then he's going to be a distraction because he'll be frustrated and maybe even morose if he can't get the lions share of the snaps he's used to getting as our #1 WR.
 
Nitrofish said:
Andre is fast approaching Bowe Bergdahl status in my eyes, and who wants someone like that on their team? Someone who bails out when things get tough.
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Explain how he managed to not bail for how many seasons previously then? In one case, your Bergdahl comparison is apt...he's being tried in the media.

DBCooper said:
I agree he needs to pick a starter at QB, but the beginning of training camp should work.

I'm not concerned he didn't name one in OTA's.
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...and if the beginning of TC works for that, then AJ really doesn't need to be here before then either.

Texan in Japan said:
But Johnson remains dug in. With potential fines for skipping mandatory minicamp at only $70,000, it’s a no-brainer he won’t be there; Johnson already has blown a $1 million roster bonus by not attending offseason workouts.
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I'd be surprised if it's "already blown", but it would make the 70K for not attending mini-camp pocket change.

thunderkyss said:
Houston won't ever have a truly successful franchise because their fans don't know how to get behind it's team & it's players.
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*Gag* This is even worse than Tate's "wishy-washy fans" garbage. If they need the fans to get their collective **** together, we're already doomed.
 
thunderkyss said:
He said if he had to make the decision at that time, he would answer no. But he didn't have to & we'll just have to wait & see. Personally, I'd appreciate it if we weren't stabbing dude in the back until he does not show up.

All this crap going on right now is an example of what fans are like in Houston... or of Houston sports teams. I know that makes me look foolish for typing it out loud, but I truly believe that. Houston won't ever have a truly successful franchise because their fans don't know how to get behind it's team & it's players.

Jj Watt won't be staying here unless we pay him a shtload of money, way more than any one player should get... because he like all the other guys who come through are only playing for the money. They're not playing for you or me, because we act like this.



It's all good. :butterfly: :rainbow:
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eriadoc said:
However many weeks and hundreds of posts into this drama, and the best I can muster is a shrug. AJ is a great player, no doubt. But with all that greatness, the team has won two playoff games ever. They've had more losing seasons with him than winning ones. He's just a WR.

And are Houstonians really that attached to the guy? I mean, he makes no bones about his heart being in Miami. And that's fine, but I reserve my "Earl/Dream/Bum" status for guys that have their heart here.[/QUOTE]



Apparently TK was absent the LuvYaBlue era.

50,000 fans showing up for a rally to support a team that had just lost a game.

Houston fans will support a team of achievers, kinda frown on quitters though.

Anyone who doesn't think this team quit last year or that AJ has morphed into a quitter is not paying attention.

:coffee:
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thunderkyss said:
You're making crap up to support your opinion. That should tell you right there your opinion has holes in it.
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I'm not makomg "crap" up. I am speculating and building on what is an entirely possible scenario. My opinion is nothing more than an opinion, whether it has "holes" in it or not.

disaacks3 said:
Explain how he managed to not bail for how many seasons previously then? In one case, your Bergdahl comparison is apt...he's being tried in the media.
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So in your eyes him deserting now is ok, because he did not desert back then? It makes it even worse in my eyes. Very few would have blamed him if he had left in FA after his first contract, but to stick all this time to only now decide to bail is nonsense. He hitched his wagon to the Texans long term and should have accepted that, lived up to his word and showed up at OTA's.

Now that he hasn't and has generated this drama when he could have handled it in the off season without any drama, he has displayed his true colors.

As a Marine, you do not leave your brothers behind. People you have bled in the trenches with battling with every year, especially for your own individual gain. From all appearances, this is exactly what Dre is doing. There is no defense for this kind of betrayal.

'Hey look at me everyone, I am a loyal, honorable man. I love my Texans and would never abandon them. Unless I don't get what I want, then I will take my ball and go home! GO Texans!'

I hope he retires and saves what little dignity he has left.
 
Uncle Rico said:
spin it any way you want, this team sucks currently. he has poured blood,sweat and tears into this organization he should be allowed to pursue greener pastures elsewhere because all we have here is a dried up rice field. Why let it become personal and bitter after such a stellar career?

Oh and why not mention the other 9 or 10 seasons of misery that he endured?
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I can *kinda* see both sides of this argument. I know AJ wants to be on a winner. As to the bolded, yes, he has. And in return the best receiver in the team's history has been very well compensated as has been discussed in depth & detail. If he were here learning this new offense with his team he could be positioning himself to be on a winner right here. (I already know what's coming here;^) As far as being "allowed to pursue greener pastures elsewhere" I'm of the opinion, gut feeling only, that Bob McNair has given Rick Smith the green light to play hardball with AJ here so he remains a Texan for the duration of his career and he retires a Texan. The last part is not a supposition on my part, it's a quote I've heard from the horses mouth along with probably everyone else on this forum.

As to the underlined: See bolded in response above.

As you were...
 
AJ will be back. Whatever his attitude is when he gets back will be his own. And he'll play a lot because he's the best WR on the team. And he will catch a lot of passes because he's just like that, and that good, to be able to produce a high quality product for an organization he may not like, but currently works for.

I, for one, am not worried.
 
Playoffs said:
O'Brien... utilizes gruff gift of gab to mold players as well as team
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thunderkyss said:
I'll believe it when I see it... all this is the honeymoon chatter. I'll believe the culture has been changed when we win those tough close games.

Until then, they're still soft. All this yak about tough & culture change reminds me of the letterman jackets without the props.
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thunderkyss said:
...Houston won't ever have a truly successful franchise because their fans don't know how to get behind it's team & it's players.
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Pot, meet kettle.

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eriadoc said:
However many weeks and hundreds of posts into this drama, and the best I can muster is a shrug. AJ is a great player, no doubt. But with all that greatness, the team has won two playoff games ever. They've had more losing seasons with him than winning ones. He's just a WR.

And are Houstonians really that attached to the guy? I mean, he makes no bones about his heart being in Miami. And that's fine, but I reserve my "Earl/Dream/Bum" status for guys that have their heart here.
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I'm right here with you on this. I know beyond any doubt that as of 2014 Andre Johnson is the all-time greatest Houston Texan but this is the modern NFL and I can't get attached to any of these players anymore. I just can't do it. I'd be a fool to do that in this day and age.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
After all that went on in the past, the decision for his uncle to still be allowed to act as AJ's advisor speaks to someone other than his uncle.
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"Get yo money Dre!"
 
Nitrofish said:
So in your eyes him deserting now is ok, because he did not desert back then? It makes it even worse in my eyes. Very few would have blamed him if he had left in FA after his first contract, but to stick all this time to only now decide to bail is nonsense. He hitched his wagon to the Texans long term and should have accepted that, lived up to his word and showed up at OTA's.
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No, I'm showing how you're making ****** up to support your agenda. You've essentially called him a quitter, as if its some sort of character flaw he's always exhibited. Now you're altering your assertion that his being less-than-pleased with his situation NOW is worse than having a pattern of such behavior. :rolleyes:

"Lived up to his word"?? Where, oh where did you find AJ giving "his word" that's he'd attend OTAs and Mini-camp this year?
 
I find myself thinking that I'd be entirely fine with AJ accepting a trade to "somewhere" for "something" (hopefully something useful) and then seeing the Texans go on to win between 9 and 11 games next year. It might be the best thing that ever happened to the organization to go ahead and move on to whatever lies ahead after AJ.

When this first started I felt like talking about moving on without him was premature but the slow change of tone in the comments, the return of Uncle Melton tells me that as good a guy as AJ has been, well he's not real smart. Everything ends and that includes the Houston Texans attachment to Andre Johnson.

Hope DeAndre Hopkins is ready to step up. I bet as the primary target in this offense he'll be able to give us comparable numbers and maybe, if we're lucky one of the other guys will step up and be the #2 for Hopkins that we always wished AJ had around.
 
eriadoc said:
And are Houstonians really that attached to the guy? I mean, he makes no bones about his heart being in Miami. And that's fine, but I reserve my "Earl/Dream/Bum" status for guys that have their heart here.
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FYI, Hakeem Olajuwon's heart is not in Houston. Dude doesnt even live in the U.S. anymore. His life, heart, and soul are in Amman, Jordan, with his family.

He still has business connections in Houston (among many other places), but where a man keeps his wife and children reveals the true nature of his heart's orientation.

As far as AJ, it's only business on both sides as far as I'm concerned.

And finally, for the dudes 1) getting emotional about it, 2) trying to spew their envy and jealousy, 3) believing that an NFL contract is anything like an apartment lease, and/or 4) those comparing it to military service (after you get your heads checked):

THIS IS NOTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT. If it's more to you than that, grow the eff up and get a life. You're kinda' pathetic as a grown man. They play, and YOU WATCH.
 
DX-TEX said:
Yeah according to his "advisor" and dumbass uncle who agreed to that crappy contract on Dre's behalf a few years ago:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/16/andre-johnson-wont-be-coming-to-mandatory-minicamp/
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Looking more lie it's about the money.

Like I said a while ago...As a fan...I want him out there...I think he should be out there helping the team get better...

But from Andre's perspective I get it.

Regardless of what Andre is going through, the Texans should be preparing as if Andre doesn't exist.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Looking more lie it's about the money.

Like I said a while ago...As a fan...I want him out there...I think he should be out there helping the team get better...

But from Andre's perspective I get it.

Regardless of what Andre is going through, the Texans should be preparing as if Andre doesn't exist.
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And you can bet your bottom dollar that's exactly what's happening. O'Brien has stated more than once they have a PLAN FOR EVERY SCENARIO that can happen. As detail oriented as he's said to be, I'm sure that's true.
 
Andre's going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. The fans are starting to turn on him, and if he doesn't show for camp, they will completely bail on him if that persists for any length of time.

He's got about 6 weeks to figure it out. Regardless of him skipping mini-camp, he can still mend things with the organization, teammates and fans if he shows up at camp and works his butt off. If he's not there, I think we may have seen the end of AJ in a Texans uni or perhaps any NFL uniform.

I appreciate his past contributions, but the man can't be endearing himself to the other 52 players that will eventually make up this roster. His behavior is the antithesis of the culture BOB is trying to instill. One man - no matter how good - does not come before the team.

If I am the Texans it's either come show up and play, or retire. We aren't releasing you, we aren't trading you, and we aren't tearing up your contract for a new one. You have a contract you signed and you knew the terms and now it's time to come to work and kick butt. If not, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
 
Double Barrel said:
FYI, Hakeem Olajuwon's heart is not in Houston. Dude doesnt even live in the U.S. anymore. His life, heart, and soul are in Amman, Jordan, with his family.

He still has business connections in Houston (among many other places), but where a man keeps his wife and children reveals the true nature of his heart's orientation.

As far as AJ, it's only business on both sides as far as I'm concerned.

And finally, for the dudes 1) getting emotional about it, 2) trying to spew their envy and jealousy, 3) believing that an NFL contract is anything like an apartment lease, and/or 4) those comparing it to military service (after you get your heads checked):

THIS IS NOTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT. If it's more to you than that, grow the eff up and get a life. You're kinda' pathetic as a grown man. They play, and YOU WATCH.
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MSR!!!
 
Double Barrel said:
And finally, for the dudes 1) getting emotional about it, 2) trying to spew their envy and jealousy, 3) believing that an NFL contract is anything like an apartment lease, and/or 4) those comparing it to military service (after you get your heads checked):

THIS IS NOTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT. If it's more to you than that, grow the eff up and get a life. You're kinda' pathetic as a grown man. They play, and YOU WATCH.
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The military comparison part is really over the top. To compare participation in a GAME to the sacrifices our troops have made and continue to make to protect our freedoms is an insult to all that proudly wear the armed forces uniforms.

There is no comparison.

I guess the real shame of it all is that the guys who play this game make $420K (rookie minimum for 2014) and those troops who make sure we're free to watch it mostly make 5 figure salaries.
But that's a whole different discussion for a different thread.
 
FTR IMHO it's in the best interest of the Texans to trade AJ, ideally for a TOP 50 pick. The ideal team would be Philadelphia. Landing AJ makes Philly a prohibitive favorite to win NFC East and go deep with home field advantage in the playoffs. As for the Texans they're a couple of years from competing for the playoffs and trading AJ now is the smart thing to do. Unfortunately the Texans knew this was coming and failed to plan accordingly. Drafting Donte Moncrief in RD 3 would have been the best thing to do. Trading AJ now gives the Texans $16 mil cap relief in 2015 and $14 mil in 2016. That's a lot guidos that could go a long way in adding some top talent OR the money to re-sign JJ Watt. Unfortunately the Texans suffer from a lack of the BIG picture vision and apparently are still suffering from living in the moment syndrome.
 
Above all players, Andre Johnson is my hands down favorite player. I still wear his jersey that I bought before his rookie year to games. I still jump and cheer like a mad man, particularly when he scores in my end zone.

He was the one consistent highlight, even when the team itself was mired in mediocrity or worse and especially when it finally looked like we had our act together. I do think the fact that he kept himself out of the media, and consistently toed the team line--at least publicly--caused myself and fans like me, the media, and the team to add a bit of idealism to his personal character, and it was well deserved.

However the truth is that he has created this dilemma for himself. In 2010 Andre felt like his salary wasn't as high as other receivers that were signing deals at the time. He noted that his peers were sending him talking about how 'He needed to get paid like <so-and-so>' This was the first micro-holdout, he talked to the Texans' and McNair and they came up with a deal to increase his salary to his liking, it also added two additional years to his contract.

Here is his reaction to the new deal.:

"There's nothing I can complain about," [Andre] said. "For me to be in the situation I was in, for this to happen, it just speaks a lot to the people we have in the organization and the owner we have. It's a first-class organization. I'm very happy right now."

Followed by:

"I always said I wanted to play for one team," Johnson said, "and to be able to play for the Houston Texans for the rest of my career, it's a tremendous honor."


So there it was, a blank line at the bottom that committed Andre to finish his career for the Texans. And he considered and he signed.

I don't blame his agent and I don't blame the team. A 29-year old man signs a new contract that he requested and was granted by his team with terms of the deal written out on the paper.

The contract is now paying ~10 million a year for a 33, 34, and 35 year old wide receiver. With a cap figure much higher than that (~15 million in cap dollars.) Those numbers make him untradeable.

He signed away any bit of leverage he has now, but let's not forget should he play for the Texans throughout the last contract he will have made over $116 million for catching a football from the NFL alone.

We all wish he had 4 super bowl rings on his fingers, we all wish we had an elite QB throwing him the ball, and we all wish we were in the Superbowl hunt this year and every year. But right now, I wish he would come to NRG stadium, put his pads on, and recommit to the deal he had signed.
 
Tania Ganguli &#8207;@taniaganguli · 8m
Johnson's contract included a $1M roster bonus that's contingent on his attending voluntary workouts, which he hasn't. #Texans

Tania Ganguli &#8207;@taniaganguli · 6m
Johnson can be fined for not attending mini-camp, too. Those fines can reach close to $70,000. #Texans
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Welp it is costing him already after all.
 
NCTexan said:
I want some of whatever you're having if you think that's realistic.
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I don't think you can handle it. Like I said "Ideally". It wouldn't be the first time something similar to this happened. There are 3-4 teams out there in the category of thinking they're a player a way and if you don't think it could be AJ check his past history and stats. Hey if Trent Richardson can be traded for a 1 so can AJ. It only takes 1 team to say yes and more often than not there is that team. And you know what? You'll never find out if you don't try. It's not like it's never happened before. Think Richard Seymour. If you want to be like that Patriots, then act like the Patriots dadgumit.

You also overlooked the most important part, $16 million cap relief in 2015 and $14 million in 2016.
 
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Double Barrel said:
FYI, Hakeem Olajuwon's heart is not in Houston. Dude doesnt even live in the U.S. anymore. His life, heart, and soul are in Amman, Jordan, with his family.

He still has business connections in Houston (among many other places), but where a man keeps his wife and children reveals the true nature of his heart's orientation.

As far as AJ, it's only business on both sides as far as I'm concerned.

And finally, for the dudes 1) getting emotional about it, 2) trying to spew their envy and jealousy, 3) believing that an NFL contract is anything like an apartment lease, and/or 4) those comparing it to military service (after you get your heads checked):

THIS IS NOTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT. If it's more to you than that, grow the eff up and get a life. You're kinda' pathetic as a grown man. They play, and YOU WATCH.
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Thank you. So true.

Can't believe some people are comparing this situation to military service.

Perspective, people. Perspective.
 
Smart business move, holding out for more money when you are over the hill.

If he doesn't want to play for the Texans, I wouldn't trade him to a team we play because he still has enough to be dangerous.
 
disaacks3 said:
No, I'm showing how you're making ****** up to support your agenda. You've essentially called him a quitter, as if its some sort of character flaw he's always exhibited. Now you're altering your assertion that his being less-than-pleased with his situation NOW is worse than having a pattern of such behavior. :rolleyes:

"Lived up to his word"?? Where, oh where did you find AJ giving "his word" that's he'd attend OTAs and Mini-camp this year?
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He is a quitter, and I never asserted he displayed the character flaw before. You are making that up. It's not about what I asserted, it's about what AJ asserted when he signed that contract.

AJ gave his word when he signed his contract. I am sure if you read it, it lays out that he is expected to show up to OTA's and camp. In fact, as it has been reported, he has forfeited a 1 million dollar roster bonus for not showing up, plus he will be fined nearly 70k for missing the 3 day mandatory camp. So yeah, he gave his word and even signed on the dotted line to back that up.

Double Barrel said:
FYI, Hakeem Olajuwon's heart is not in Houston. Dude doesnt even live in the U.S. anymore. His life, heart, and soul are in Amman, Jordan, with his family.

He still has business connections in Houston (among many other places), but where a man keeps his wife and children reveals the true nature of his heart's orientation.

As far as AJ, it's only business on both sides as far as I'm concerned.

And finally, for the dudes 1) getting emotional about it, 2) trying to spew their envy and jealousy, 3) believing that an NFL contract is anything like an apartment lease, and/or 4) those comparing it to military service (after you get your heads checked):

THIS IS NOTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT. If it's more to you than that, grow the eff up and get a life. You're kinda' pathetic as a grown man. They play, and YOU WATCH.
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I fail to see how asking an athlete to honor his contract is getting emotional. I normally agree with most of the things you post DB, and the same holds true for most of your post, but in regards to the last few paragraphs, I couldn't disagree more.

An NFL contract is just like any other contract. If it were not binding then he would not be losing roster bonuses or being fined for not showing up. That is not to say things cannot be negotiated and both parties agree to dissolve the old contract and work something out that benefits both parties. But if that is the case. then men with honor would have handled that behind closed doors in the off season. Why is it you think us regular folks have to honor our contracts, but athletes don't?

Obviously you never served or you would not be saying that. I did serve and I can tell you this is desertion of the unit. You may not like the comparison, but that does not mean it is not a valid one.

Someone who calls another man pathetic for expressing his views on a message board is the one who needs to have his head checked. It seems to me you are the one getting emotional about it with your ad hominem attack. It's just an opinion. No reason for you to make it personal.

The sun will rise tomorrow whether Dre shows up or not, and I will not lose a wink of sleep over that. But the damage Dre has done to young kids who look up to him will last a lifetime. I can only imagine parents telling their kids when they ask why Dre is doing this: "Yes I know I said there is no I in team little Johnny, but it's complicated"

We teach our kids right from wrong, and then someone who has been a well respected role model behaves like this and smashes those lessons to pieces.

You are being hypocritical DB because you have commented plenty of times where you should have practiced what you are preaching.

They play, and YOU WATCH.
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Playoffs said:
After sleeping on this, I think it's more an attempt to renegotiate for more money. AJ's got that uncle and probably everyone else constantly whispering in his ear: You ain't gettin' paid! You're the greatest. You gettin' disrespected.
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Melton said Johnson is holding off making a decision about his attendance and has yet to determine whether he’ll officially hold out.
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O’Brien said Friday he didn’t know whether the team’s premier wideout would attend minicamp.

“Andre and Bill have a great relationship. That’s just what it is,” [Johnson's Uncle] Melton said. “After that, it’s just a wait-and-see deal.”
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http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...wont-attend-minicamp-no-movement-with-texans/
 
And now, the end (may be) here
And so I face the final touchdown
My fans, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'll tell Melton
I've lived a career that's full
I've attended each and ev'ry play
And more, much more than this, I did it my way

Regrets, I've had a few
But then again, too few QB's to mention
I ran what routes I had to do and saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted restructure, most each contract along the byway
And more, much more than whuppin Innegan, I did it my way

Yes, there were seasons, I'm sure you knew
When my coach bit off more than he could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
My last time on the field, I walked it out
I faced it all and I stood tall and did it my way

I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now, as contracts subside, I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say, not in a shy way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way"

For what is a reciever, what has he got?
If not a competent offense, then he has naught
To quietly say the things he truly feels and not the words of one in teal
The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!
 
Nitrofish said:
He is a quitter, and I never asserted he displayed the character flaw before. You are making that up. It's not about what I asserted, it's about what AJ asserted when he signed that contract.

AJ gave his word when he signed his contract. I am sure if you read it, it lays out that he is expected to show up to OTA's and camp. In fact, as it has been reported, he has forfeited a 1 million dollar roster bonus for not showing up, plus he will be fined nearly 70k for missing the 3 day mandatory camp. So yeah, he gave his word and even signed on the dotted line to back that up.



I fail to see how asking an athlete to honor his contract is getting emotional. I normally agree with most of the things you post DB, and the same holds true for most of your post, but in regards to the last few paragraphs, I couldn't disagree more.

An NFL contract is just like any other contract. If it were not binding then he would not be losing roster bonuses or being fined for not showing up. That is not to say things cannot be negotiated and both parties agree to dissolve the old contract and work something out that benefits both parties. But if that is the case. then men with honor would have handled that behind closed doors in the off season. Why is it you think us regular folks have to honor our contracts, but athletes don't?

Obviously you never served or you would not be saying that. I did serve and I can tell you this is desertion of the unit. You may not like the comparison, but that does not mean it is not a valid one.

Someone who calls another man pathetic for expressing his views on a message board is the one who needs to have his head checked. It seems to me you are the one getting emotional about it with your ad hominem attack. It's just an opinion. No reason for you to make it personal.

The sun will rise tomorrow whether Dre shows up or not, and I will not lose a wink of sleep over that. But the damage Dre has done to young kids who look up to him will last a lifetime. I can only imagine parents telling their kids when they ask why Dre is doing this: "Yes I know I said there is no I in team little Johnny, but it's complicated"

We teach our kids right from wrong, and then someone who has been a well respected role model behaves like this and smashes those lessons to pieces.

You are being hypocritical DB because you have commented plenty of times where you should have practiced what you are preaching.
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What a bunch of rubbish. You should just stop. :rake: players have the right in the nfl bargaining agreement to do exactly what AJ is doing and teams have the right to terminate contracts early if they see fit. So just stop with this nonsense.
 
OzzO said:
And now, the end (may be) here
And so I face the final touchdown
My fans, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'll tell Melton
I've lived a career that's full
I've attended each and ev'ry play
And more, much more than this, I did it my way

Regrets, I've had a few
But then again, too few QB's to mention
I ran what routes I had to do and saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted restructure, most each contract along the byway
And more, much more than whuppin Innegan, I did it my way

Yes, there were seasons, I'm sure you knew
When my coach bit off more than he could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
My last time on the field, I walked it out
I faced it all and I stood tall and did it my way

I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now, as contracts subside, I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say, not in a shy way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way"

For what is a reciever, what has he got?
If not a competent offense, then he has naught
To quietly say the things he truly feels and not the words of one in teal
The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!
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That's really good but somewhere you could have mentioned beating the hell out of Finnegan .
 
OH hell let me give this a shot

My name is Andre Johnson,,, all i want is a trophy
I've taken more shots at dudes,,, then robocops Alex Murphy
I may not speak to much,,, i might be a little reserved
But this is a damn rebuild,,, i see that from what i've observed
So what if you got Cush, Jojo foster and Watt
Summertime is here,,,this is texas and damn it sure gets hot
So what i missed OTAs,,, So what if they fine me a few hundred grand
My name is Andre Johnson and i'm the Mother Fuking Man

:kitten: True story !
 
IDEXAN said:
Seriously, if AJ doesn't show up for this weeks "mandatory" mini-camp, he's not rapidly approaching persona non grata status for you ?
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Let's cross that bridge when we get there. Bad mouthing him now doesn't make sense.
 
disaacks3 said:
*Gag* This is even worse than Tate's "wishy-washy fans" garbage. If they need the fans to get their collective **** together, we're already doomed.
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It's an expansion on the team concept. One man on the team believing he can win a Super Bowl isn't going to make it happen. Two men is better, but still not enough.

The majority of the team needs to be working towards that singular goal & the majority of the fans behind them gives them something else to play for. Not that it's needed, but it helps.

Besides, as it stands, we're no better than Jag fans & worse than Eagle fans. Not really the way I'd like to feel about a fan base I associate myself with.
 
mussop said:
What a bunch of rubbish. You should just stop. :rake: players have the right in the nfl bargaining agreement to do exactly what AJ is doing and teams have the right to terminate contracts early if they see fit. So just stop with this nonsense.
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Really? Can you cite the passage in the CBA that states that please?
 
Porky said:
Andre's going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. The fans are starting to turn on him, and if he doesn't show for camp, they will completely bail on him if that persists for any length of time.

He's got about 6 weeks to figure it out. Regardless of him skipping mini-camp, he can still mend things with the organization, teammates and fans if he shows up at camp and works his butt off. If he's not there, I think we may have seen the end of AJ in a Texans uni or perhaps any NFL uniform.

I appreciate his past contributions, but the man can't be endearing himself to the other 52 players that will eventually make up this roster. His behavior is the antithesis of the culture BOB is trying to instill. One man - no matter how good - does not come before the team.

If I am the Texans it's either come show up and play, or retire. We aren't releasing you, we aren't trading you, and we aren't tearing up your contract for a new one. You have a contract you signed and you knew the terms and now it's time to come to work and kick butt. If not, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Agree 100% with your post. Also think O'Brien will not put up with this distraction much longer. Will be interesting to see what happens. Still predicting us to go 11-5 this year. Hopefully we can get some compensation..
 
Andre will be a Texan this year and he'll catch a hundred balls for 1000+ yards. Those concerned with him learning BOB's system are underestimating AJ. I will bet y'all dollars to donuts that AJ has watched enough film of the Patriots and PSU to have a grasp of what BOB's offense is all about.

As far as trading him, if I were the Texans, I wouldn't take much less than Oliver Luck... In other words, I ain't trading him.

The thing that does concern me the most is, is that his uncle is involved again. Uncle Andre Melton IRRC.

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The thing is, I see more and more fans displaying apathy for AJ rather than empathy or sympathy.
 
OzzO said:
And now, the end (may be) here
And so I face the final touchdown
My fans, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'll tell Melton
I've lived a career that's full
I've attended each and ev'ry play
And more, much more than this, I did it my way

Regrets, I've had a few
But then again, too few QB's to mention
I ran what routes I had to do and saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted restructure, most each contract along the byway
And more, much more than whuppin Innegan, I did it my way

Yes, there were seasons, I'm sure you knew
When my coach bit off more than he could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
My last time on the field, I walked it out
I faced it all and I stood tall and did it my way

I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now, as contracts subside, I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say, not in a shy way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way"

For what is a reciever, what has he got?
If not a competent offense, then he has naught
To quietly say the things he truly feels and not the words of one in teal
The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!
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Excellent! Snoop Dog, right?
 
Nitrofish said:
Really? Can you cite the passage in the CBA that states that please?
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Why do people make half assed comments like this? Why don't you read it yourself?

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

I read over the nfl contract portion. It just basically says if a player willfully misses practice, workout, off season stuff etc he can be fined up to a certain extent. The fact that they even word it in the manner they did shows that it always has been and will continue to be a right of a player to holdout for any reason. It defintely doesn't speak of this bullcrap alot of other posters are saying "Well he signed a contract. He owes it to the team" I haven't seen a clause about that BS. It's a business. Get over it.
 
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