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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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infantrycak said:
Knew someone would attempt to distinguish on the unimportant parts.
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C'mon man, even you with that standard know it all lawyer mentality doesn't believe that age, and whether or not the player has already been set for life financially, doesn't play a key part in this comparison. It has to.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:


Smith's holdout was at the beginning of his career after 2 amazing yardage years in the prime of his career. I remember it well. Jones refused to recognize Smith as the top-level RB in the NFL and wanted to pay him less than half of what his contract eventually was signed for. The holdout was a matter of what everybody recognized as greed on the part of Jerry, not Smith.

EDIT: And there was no turnover of the coaching staff (J. Johnson) or change of scheme.
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The "holdout" was at the end of his rookie deal... Meaning, this was his one, sure shot to set himself up for life... AJ is in the middle of his contract, earning over $10 million per year... and, has earned close to $100 million over the course of his career. It is a very different circumstance.

That being said, I'm not bothered by his holdout. Frankly, I think the Texans organization would be wise to move on from him given the limited hopes of this season, AJ's cost and age, etc...
 
thunderkyss said:
He has not made that clear. He's made it clear that he doesn't want to attend OTAs. According to the words that came out of his mouth, he's working out whether he wants to be here or not.



There's no magic needed for a man to make up his mind.



I see people retire all the time. It's not much different than what I'm seeing from Andre right now. Our company gives them an option to leave at 58 if they meet other criteria with no penalty. Some guys are ready to take it, some guys aren't. Some guys planned not to take it, but something happened that changed their mind, "You know what, I've had enough."



They can ask to be transferred to another department, & depending on what happened, some do. But for such a big change like this, that Andre is facing... many can't bring themselves to subject themselves to what I'm going to be going through for another year.



Sometimes that decision is made in a day, most of the time, over several months. This one guy in particular is 64, he's day to day. Everyday, he changes his mine at least three times. We know one day we're going to show up & he's going to say, "Suk it beyaotches!!!"



But he's still a good guy. Paid his dues. It's a headache for the bosses, I'm sure, but he's earned it.
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True story: my dad wasn't ready to retire. We wanted him to, so he could relax, but, he was into his job, and liked it. He kept saying "I don't know. One of these days. Maybe."

Translation: he was never going to retire.

Well, one day, he arrived at work and decided he was done. Finished. Over. His boss kept asking him if he was sure, and he said yes.

We were all shocked at the randomness of it, but, hey, when you've worked at a place for 40 years and put in your time, you have a right to change your mind on a whim.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
One other very major difference...........AJ is under contract.........Smith was not.......Smith's contract at the time had EXPIRED.

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Okay, perhaps a better example would be Lance Briggs of the Bears pior to the 2011 season.

Briggs was 3 years through a 6 year contract (which he got after a year under the franchise tag, during which time he threatened a holdout, stated he'd played his last down for the Bears, and asked to be traded), and he formally asked for a trade (yes - for the 2nd time). Mind you, this was as a result of a pay dispute, but it was also a couple of days after he stated he wouldn't be a distraction, and said "I'm going to go out and play the game the way I've always played it and see what happens". The way it essentially played out was that the Bears did nothing with the trade request, they did nothing with his contract, and Briggs went out and had a Pro-Bowl season.

Athletes become unhappy all the time. They also get happy again pretty frequently. Does this mean AJ's deal will turn out with a happy ending for Texans fans? Who knows. But that's the point - who knows! My guess is Andre's a Texan in 2014, and while he may not be happy about it, his play will never show that because he is a true professional. But that's just my guess - it's probably a good idea to completely ignore it!
 
A'ight, this is money!


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Lloyd Dobler agrees with Arian, wants AJ to come back home!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Maybe Andre's just pissed off because Arian has "left" him so many times in the past.:crutch:
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not the same thing though...
Arian was absent due to injury. ...which you accurately predicted as I recall.
A.J. is absent because he feels like it.
...or maybe better said, "'cause he ain't feelin' it"
 
Playoffs said:
Nothing new, won't see him at mandatory minicamp.

He was courtside to watch the Heat get pummeled by the Spurs last night.
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His teammates are out working their ass off for the team, and AJ is out having a good time. I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for that. I couldn't care less about his resume. Yes, he deserves respect for what he's done in the past, but that is just all it is -- the past.

Jurgen Klinsmann was right when he said Americans have this obsession with past accomplishments, and those athletes somehow get a pass for everything they do. But the reality is AJ is being a selfish player. He's under contract so he should get his ass out on the field with the team.
 
CretorFrigg said:
His teammates are out working their ass off for the team, and AJ is out having a good time. I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for that. I couldn't care less about his resume. Yes, he deserves respect for what he's done in the past, but that is just all it is -- the past.

Jurgen Klinsmann was right when he said Americans have this obsession with past accomplishments, and those athletes somehow get a pass for everything they do. But the reality is AJ is being a selfish player. He's under contract so he should get his ass out on the field with the team.
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He's under contract to participate in all mandatory team events. The contract does not apply to voluntary work. So he can be where ever the hell he wants to be.
 
hookinreds said:
He's under contract to participate in all mandatory team events. The contract does not apply to voluntary work. So he can be where ever the hell he wants to be.
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Although during this past "voluntary" period, there are people that feel he should have been present because of all of the major changes occuring, and others being willing to give him a "bye;" if he misses mandatory activities, there will be many less willing to offer him the "bye."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Although during this past "voluntary" period, there are people that feel he should have been present because of all of the major changes occuring, and others being willing to give him a "bye;" if he misses mandatory activities, there will be many less willing to offer him the "bye."
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He can pay his 70K fine and show up for TC. I'm cutting him plenty of slack until then.

I'm far more worried about the dearth of QB talent than I am AJ picking up the new offense.
 
disaacks3 said:
He can pay his 70K fine and show up for TC. I'm cutting him plenty of slack until then.

I'm far more worried about the dearth of QB talent than I am AJ picking up the new offense.
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And if you're worried about the QB talent, it would make sense that you would want AJ to offer as much time to develop "chemistry" and timing for this "dearth" of talent.
 
Note that AJ's best bud Ed Reed held out of training camp "contemplating retirement" for many years simply because he didn't want to put extra miles on his old body, only to show up late to TC...

And I don't think OB is giving veterans "light duty" in this his first year installing his culture/schemes. AJ will show up & catch up in TC.


CloakNNNdagger said:
...time to develop "chemistry"...
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Speaking of chemistry, I just had about a gallon of blood drawn for those tests, Count [IMGwidthsize=40]http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/horror/dracula-smiley-face-emoticon.png[/IMG]
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And if you're worried about the QB talent, it would make sense that you would want AJ to offer as much time to develop "chemistry" and timing for this "dearth" of talent.
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I can't say that I'm not disappointed that AJ could have spent this time gelling with the QBs and the new offense. This is the first player that we've had "hold out" like this and all of the sudden people think he's primadonna like TO. When mandatory TC starts, I will still be disappointed that he's not there and any side effects it will have on the team. I have no doubt that AJ can pick up the new offense quickly, but it will take more than that for the QBs to understand his reads on the field and how he will react to those reads. But hey, it has to mean more reps for the WRs that are in camp and that certainly doesn't hurt one bit. I suspect that he will miss some TC as well, and I'll just have to deal with it. Not a damn thing I can do about it, and have no effect on my opinion of AJ or his legacy unless something really does go off the deep end.
 
There was a time that AJ was the face of this franchise. That time has passed.

Now it is JJ Watt ... professionalism personified.

I want to hold my head high for the next ten years knowing Watt is a Texan and represents us with honor. Hopefully they will lock him up sooner than later.

Like BoB says, we worry about who is here, not who isn't.
 
kingtexan said:
There was a time that AJ was the face of this franchise. That time has passed.

Now it is JJ Watt ... professionalism personified.

I want to hold my head high for the next ten years knowing Watt is a Texan and represents us with honor. Hopefully they will lock him up sooner than later.

Like BoB says, we worry about who is here, not who isn't.
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Before you deify Watt let's wait until he is in same situation as AJ. I wished he was there but game 1 is fine with me.
 
I wonder if Dre has an ipad with the plays on it...if he's even studied the offense a bit...

I mean...officially, he's still on the team...I would imagine they reached out to him with an ipad at least..
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And if you're worried about the QB talent, it would make sense that you would want AJ to offer as much time to develop "chemistry" and timing for this "dearth" of talent.
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That assumes all the time in the world will make it any better. I'm not sure that's the case. :kitten:
 
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xtruroyaltyx said:
I wonder if Dre has an ipad with the plays on it...if he's even studied the offense a bit...

I mean...officially, he's still on the team...I would imagine they reached out to him with an ipad at least..
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I would sure hope so. He was in town and supposedly met with O'Brien, so I'd assume he has one.
 
Playoffs said:
Nothing new, won't see him at mandatory minicamp.
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That's confirmed? :confused:

disaacks3 said:
He can pay his 70K fine and show up for TC. I'm cutting him plenty of slack until then.

I'm far more worried about the dearth of QB talent than I am AJ picking up the new offense.
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I'm mixed. I cut him slack at OTA because it's voluntary. I understand the sentiment of learning the playbook, but at the same time, that means more reps for the young guys and less wear and tear on his veteran body. I have no doubt that he can learn the playbook.

But with mandatory minicamp, I tend to lean toward he needs to be there. Like I said, mixed feelings, but he'd better be there for training camp unless he's retiring.

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Before you deify Watt let's wait until he is in same situation as AJ. I wished he was there but game 1 is fine with me.
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Yeah, I like JJ, but let's see what he demands for a contract, as I doubt there is any so-called "hometown discount". In addition, let's see how he feels after 11 seasons if his only playoff appearances was in 2011 and 2012. I doubt he'd be so loyal to a lost cause.
 
I'll be honest and some of you may not agree.

When i sign a lease on a house i pay the rent, when i buy a car i make my payment. These are all contracts. It is MANDATORY i pay.

I have lost so much respect for this man, over this. If he wants to retire then great, let him retire. But your odds of going to a SB team are very slim. We have a talented roster, a new bright head coach. We are learning a new offense, and all your team mates are there working already and getting ready for the season.

WHILE you on the other hand are having an extended vacation on the money from your CONTRACT. Man up and be with your team otherwise set off into the sun set until we retire your sorry ass jersey.

Thats right i said sorry ass, cause right now your acting like one.
 
game 7 dis **** might be wrapped up in game 5 LOL andre will have ike a week extra of free time LOL


anyways I doubt he even shows up for training camp he will prob combe back around pre season time
 
Norg said:
game 7 dis **** might be wrapped up in game 5 LOL andre will have ike a week extra of free time LOL


anyways I doubt he even shows up for training camp he will prob combe back around pre season time
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But then he has to be there for the parties, right?
 
EllisUnit said:
I'll be honest and some of you may not agree.

When i sign a lease on a house i pay the rent, when i buy a car i make my payment. These are all contracts. It is MANDATORY i pay.

I have lost so much respect for this man, over this. If he wants to retire then great, let him retire. But your odds of going to a SB team are very slim. We have a talented roster, a new bright head coach. We are learning a new offense, and all your team mates are there working already and getting ready for the season.

WHILE you on the other hand are having an extended vacation on the money from your CONTRACT. Man up and be with your team otherwise set off into the sun set until we retire your sorry ass jersey.

Thats right i said sorry ass, cause right now your acting like one.
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If the contract said OTAs are manditory then we'd be reading about A.J.'s mounting fine count.

He hasn't done anything fineable
...yet.
 
I'd like for Andre to be there. If he's not all into it, I'd rather he retire.

But there's behind the scenes stuff we don't know about. I'm pretty sure Dre isn't ignoring the teams/teammates calls. I'd imagine there was some form of communication there.
 
EllisUnit said:
I'll be honest and some of you may not agree.

When i sign a lease on a house i pay the rent, when i buy a car i make my payment. These are all contracts. It is MANDATORY i pay.

I have lost so much respect for this man, over this. If he wants to retire then great, let him retire. But your odds of going to a SB team are very slim. We have a talented roster, a new bright head coach. We are learning a new offense, and all your team mates are there working already and getting ready for the season.

WHILE you on the other hand are having an extended vacation on the money from your CONTRACT. Man up and be with your team otherwise set off into the sun set until we retire your sorry ass jersey.

That's right i said sorry ass, cause right now your acting like one.
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I tend to agree with this sentiment. There is no "but if the team sucks" or "If there is another rebuild" clause in this mans contract, and when he signed there was no guarantee he would see the playoffs, or a championship. It said he will render his services for x amount of time and dollars. Playoffs and championships are gravy, not guaranteed.

This is becoming a distraction and it needs to end. If he does not show up for mandatory camp, he should and will be fined, and I would wash my hands of the guy and let him rack up fines, retire, or sit on the bench. If he thinks finishing his career acting like a spoiled brat is a good thing, then so it shall be written.

This is selfish, and childish no matter how you slice it.
 
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EllisUnit said:
I'll be honest and some of you may not agree.

When i sign a lease on a house i pay the rent, when i buy a car i make my payment. These are all contracts. It is MANDATORY i pay.

I have lost so much respect for this man, over this. If he wants to retire then great, let him retire. But your odds of going to a SB team are very slim. We have a talented roster, a new bright head coach. We are learning a new offense, and all your team mates are there working already and getting ready for the season.

WHILE you on the other hand are having an extended vacation on the money from your CONTRACT. Man up and be with your team otherwise set off into the sun set until we retire your sorry ass jersey.

Thats right i said sorry ass, cause right now your acting like one.
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You have the right to not pay your note or pay it late and accept the consequences. You have the right to criticize AJ and others would have the right to criticize your decisions. Personally, I would not call you a sorry ass but that is just me. AJ is deciding what he will do in his life just like you or I do.

IIRC, AJ can spend only the $ he has already been paid. 2014 contract $ does not begin until season starts. He does receive minimal amounts for TC & preseason I believe.
 
Nitrofish said:
I tend to agree with this sentiment. There is no "but if the team sucks" or "If there is another rebuild" clause in this mans contract, and when he signed there was no guarantee he would see the playoffs, or a championship. It said he will render his services for x amount of time and dollars. Playoffs and championships are gravy, not guaranteed.

This is becoming a distraction and it needs to end. If he does not show up for mandatory camp, he should and will be fined, and I would wash my hands of the guy and let him rack up fines, retire, or sit on the bench. If he thinks finishing his career acting like a spoiled brat is a good thing, then so it shall be written.

This is selfish, and childish no matter how you slice it.
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I have not heard of one player being distracted. It sounds like AJ is not doing what you want him to and you are distracted. His contract (thru the CBA) allows him to do exactly what he is doing with only minor consequences. I think if NFL owners were really upset with behavior of players like AJ holding out or not showing or whatever, the consequences would be more severe. His actions are not immoral, criminal or evil. He is doing what he thinks is best for him under the rules.
 
EllisUnit said:
I'll be honest and some of you may not agree.

When i sign a lease on a house i pay the rent, when i buy a car i make my payment. These are all contracts. It is MANDATORY i pay.

I have lost so much respect for this man, over this.
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What did you think about his first four years in the league when he didn't come to OTAs & worked out in Miami instead?

This is no different, he has no obligation whatsoever to be here... until next week.
 
EllisUnit said:
yes but he stated he would not be attending mandatory, so we'll see.
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He said if he had to decide at that time, he would have to answer no, but he didn't have to decide at that time. But seeing how so many people have turned their backs on him, he's may be feeling like not showing up now.
 
Hey TK, which NFL team last year ran a defence closest to what we'll see from Crennell this year.....Seattle??

Back to the conversation:

I agree that AJ has a right to do what he's doing. He made a decision based on his perception of the state of the team as it relates to him and his career at this time. Team first doesn't mean player never. My concern with the situation is that I recognize that decisions have consequences. Not being there can affect his preparations, his conditioning, etc and alot of the consequences can affect him during the season. I'm just hoping whatever gets done will be done quickly enough that he can move on be successful...whether that means here or somewhere else. If he holds out and in the end does show up he's older and he's had some injury issues the last few years. Just hoping he gets in, get acclimated, and ready to go.

Contract or not, "buy in" requires some give and take on all sides. I don't know that we can expect someone with a contract to just run with the herd like a bunch of bison! He has the capacity to be decisive, he's a professional.
 
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