Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I really doubt it. I threw the Houston Chronicle from a Vespa back in the days. Btw, your avatar makes me “giggle”.
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After all the trades, the Texans aren't realistic contenders
- Thread starter TheKDog
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That's essentially what barnwell said. The distribution of talent is better. We have Watt and mercilus to rush. Lt was a bigger need than edge by this thinking.
Except when it came to price. We got nothing for clowney and paid a Kings ransom for Tunsil.
So maybe they get slightly better this year but much worse the next two years.
It's really two separate trade. The first one is basically waiving clowney. The second one is paying way too much for Tunsil, a price he cannot live up to, but he makes the offense better until we miss out on the picks.
Huge upgrade over anyone we’ve had in many many years.
Absolutely. And the loss of clowney is likewise a huge downgrade
Gonna miss him surely.
Not a huge downgrade unless Watt gets hurt.
Seems like clowney and watt could never get on the field healthy at the same time anyway.
You must see Mercilus as a Brandon Scarlett type talent.
Roster building, not counting $$$$.
Tunsil > Davenport by a huge margin
Clowney > Mercilus by a much smaller margin.
Team is better today than it was Saturday morning.
You want a 2020 1st rd pick? They certainly have the ammo to get one.
Never since like just last season?
Also happens to be the first season this team has won 11 games in how long?
It's absolutely a big downgrade even with JJ doing his thing.
Tells me Bill O'Brien & Brian Gaine weren't as aligned as they wanted us to believe. O'Brien didn't want to go into this season without a legit LT. Had he not been able to get Tunsil, maybe he would have tried for Williams & if he had to he would have started Kalil. Man's got to do what a man's got to do.
Until I see Howard whiffing on game day I'm not going to change my opinion on him as a prospect.
That’s true.
But our defense can be good with one missing too.
Our defensive problems are more backfield and LB’s.
We lost insurance on Watt getting hurt.
Gaine didn't want to do these dumbass trades so he got fired
houstonhurricane
Veteran
The real question is whether the team is much better than it was at the end of last season. I still think that’s debatable and more worrisome.
Well they lost Matthieu and Lamar Miller. And JJo is another year older.
On the other side the young guys at lb and dl should be improving. Roby might be an upgrade at CB. The young TEs might actually do something this year and fells can block.
What certain ammo are you seeing here?
A 2nd/two 3rds/two 4ths
Like to see a summary of what that would have our next three drafts look like.
I'd try and map it but just don't have time right now.
Sounds like Paul would continue being very happy at Peter's beleaguered expense.
They will have to pay up in 2021. 2020 draft is wide open. This is the price to pay for a franchise LT to protect Watson and after seeing the last 3yrs, I'm on board as long as they extend Tunsil
markn
All Pro
While I know we've been fleeced, I'm choosing to look at the Tunsil deal like this: if we didn't trade for him, then this season would be yet another huge risk for DW4 and we'd have to draft another LT next year. Assuming we'd have drafted in the 20s, we'd probably need to package our 2021 1st to trade up to select an elite LT. So in essence, we've just made our 2020 1st round draft a year early, and the cost for that is our 2021 2nd rounder. Okay, we don't get the full value of a rookie contract, but offsetting that is the fact we're getting a tried and tested solution rather than the crap-shoot that comes with drafting O-Linemen.
I'm disappointed with our front-office ineptitude and the many mistakes they made this weekend, but viewing the deals like this will allow me to sit back and be somewhat excited at the prospect of watching DW4 finally operate with decent protection in front of him.
I'm disappointed with our front-office ineptitude and the many mistakes they made this weekend, but viewing the deals like this will allow me to sit back and be somewhat excited at the prospect of watching DW4 finally operate with decent protection in front of him.
If they only did the Tunsil deal then they'd be better. It's a massive overpay but ok makes sense.
The clowney deal makes the team much worse and makes no sense on any level whatsoever
I'm looking at it like this... last three years we were hitting the waiver wire at this time to add starters & key depth to this team so we would be ready for week 1. We did the same the year before that & the year before that.
At least they've raised their standards. So we know they can learn. Slow. But they can learn. By the time we get a 1st round pick, maybe they'll figure out this stuff needs to be done in March & April.
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markn
All Pro
Yeah, I haven't figured out how to explain this fiasco to myself yet. Maybe I'll just pretend he had a career ending injury in the off season.
Seriously, the Clowney deal is an inexplicable self-inflicted wound born of arrogance and stubbornness. How in any way is this a better outcome than having him on the team under the tag for the year? Tag and trade him next year when he has value again.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
No question this team is upgraded with good young players. We spent next year’s 1 on Tunsil, Stills, Martin, Mingo and three draft choices. We have Plenty of 2020 draft choices otherwise too. No harm 2020. 2021 draft will look like a couple of years ago but with a much better core of young players. After that, normalcy. Bob McNair always spoke of being good not just one year but every year. He failed. What happened after the”good year” in 2012? Cal’s already stated he wants this team in the SB. Wants to be good every year. Right now with this team, our cap space, and a vision going forward for the first time in our history we have a legitimate shot at being good for more than a year.that is a path to the SB but the core must be in place, and now is, for this to go forward.
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Luck is NOT a strategy.
A big NO.
Change just for the sake of change is NOT positive.
O'Brien is just trying to save his arse.
He needs all the ammo he can use right now.
If it somehow works out (which I very much doubt), he'll get some credit to last him maybe another year, with the hope of getting an extension before everything crumbles.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Thank you!
These clowns have no understanding that Clowney only had short term leverage. The long ball was in the Texans favor. They just weren't going to get compensated properly until next off season most likely, but they just had to wait for it. There was a very strong chance that a contender this season would maybe make a mid season trade for him for a SB run as well or if their main pass rusher tore an ACL or something. All of these fans seem totally clueless to the idea that this was all just one Hail Marry for OB to buy some time with the panic button and the green light to make whatever trades he wants.
What if he keeps sitting on the bench?
It's crazy that at the time people justified the trade because he "is getting old" and a third round pick or whatever is worth more
Back to this for a sec as I've had a minute to break down how our next two drafts sit post-this weekend's trades.
And this is how those would look with your additional trade proposal..
2020-
1st
4th
5th
6th
7th
2021-
5th
6th
6th
7th
..lol
.They needed to go differently in who/how they go about acquiring players. If they can stay relatively healthy you are going to be wrong.
They will have a 3rd Rd comp in addition to the Seattle pick and the Dolphins 4th in addition to their own 4th.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
After this weekend I have no clue how our picks actually look.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Kareem and Honey Badger minus Roby is the thinking..
Quick breakdown of how I got to my result..
Before the weekend..
2020-
1st
2nd
4th
5th
6th
7th
Subtracted the Duke Johnson pick here as barring injury he'll qualify as such.
2021-
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
Business as usual here.
And after the weekend..
2020-
2nd
3rd
4th
4th
5th
6th
7th
2021-
3rd
4th
5th
6th
6th
7th
This is minus a 1st in 2021 and a 1st and 2nd in 2021 Also plus a 3rd and 4th in 2020 and a 6th in 2021.
Then steelb had a trade proposal of losing a 2nd, two 3rds, and two 4ths to gain a 1st in 2020. I split the two 4ths across the two drafts just to be sort of even as I didn't know which he preferred. And so then you get what I posted up thread.
Makes sense. My head always spins when considering comp picks.
So a third would be added to 2020 on top of my earlier result.
Thanks for that, bud.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Texans' odds virtually unchanged.
Especially, with Andrew already retiring.
That will have to be the case with the other teams, too.
Especially, with Andrew already retiring.
You can only wísh.
Explain please
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
We were talking about comp draft picks, not play on field
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
You may very well be right but he hasn't played a real down for us yet.
ghostlight
Veteran
no need to plan draft parties for several years
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I think the Texans sent NE their 2020 RD6 pick in the trade that brought them CB, Crossen. That leaves them 6 picks in each of the next 2 drafts. I didn't factor COMP Picks but I'm not sure who the Texans lost in order to qualify for a COMP Pick.